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Yahoo Article on Reggie Choosing to NOT Join the Celtics

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    Yahoo Article on Reggie Choosing to NOT Join the Celtics

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...lerallen020911

    By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports


    BOSTON – Reggie Miller had come to his old friend’s neighborhood gym in the Malibu Hills, searching for a voice to trust, an honest assessment on this most tantalizing proposition. The Boston Celtics had asked Miller to come out of a two-year retirement in the summer of 2007 and chase a championship with Kevin Garnett(notes), Paul Pierce(notes) and Ray Allen(notes). The shots dropped out of the sky at the Calabasas Community Center, out of all those years past, and it barely mattered that Miller was the ungodly age of 42.

    “My suggestion to him was, ‘Go for it,’ ” his old Pacers point guard, Mark Jackson, says now. “He had it in his tank to play again.”


    Eventually, Allen would’ve passed Miller’s 3-point record, but Miller could’ve created a greater gulf in the 2007-08 season. Over and over, Miller believed he was close to picking up the phone, calling Boston general manager Danny Ainge and telling him he wanted to do it. He had gone into the gym long and hard that summer and tried to get back into shape to ultimately make the call on the comeback. Here was an old boxer returning to the heavy bag to see what was left in those legs, in that flick of a wrist.

    With the way he was working, with the glowing reports from Garnett, Miller’s workout partner in Malibu, Ainge had come to believe Miller was destined to play for the Celtics.

    “I thought there was a good chance he was coming to come play for us,” Ainge says. “He was going hard at it with two-a-days and really working to make it happen. We were very serious. …We wanted him.”

    Looking back, Miller has never been clear on the reason he turned down the job offer – except that he had come to the cusp of accepting it. Even now, Ainge isn’t sure. Miller declined to discuss it, but Jackson never believed it was because Miller couldn’t still play, or that the desire was gone.

    “It was not wanting to wear another uniform, and not wanting to feel like somebody else got him a ring,” Jackson says.

    To his core, Miller had such deep love and loyalty to those 18 years with the Indiana Pacers. The Celtics hadn’t been the first team to offer him a chance to return to the NBA. Mark Cuban called him to play with Dirk Nowitzki(notes). Cleveland Cavaliers GM Danny Ferry wanted him to play with LeBron James(notes). To Miller, it never felt right for his legacy. He did the rare thing: He retired when he was still an outstanding player, and he couldn’t be lured back when Mark Jackson and Garnett were working out with him, telling him he still could make a difference.

    “I knew Reggie wouldn’t do it unless he felt he could still contribute,” Ainge says. “But you know, I think Reggie was probably wise in turning it down. A lot of players hang on too long and start playing against the guys of the next generation and they end up just remembering the 42-year-old Reggie Miller – and not the guy who was one of the best players in the game for almost two decades.”

    The Celtics never did get Miller, but they ended up with his worthy heir: Allen. He’s one 3-pointer short of tying the record of 2,560, and it could come on the immense stage of a Celtics-Los Angeles Lakers game on Thursday night at the Boston Garden. Miller will be courtside, calling the game on cable television. Ainge marvels over Allen, over the way he’s playing his best basketball as a Celtic beyond his 35th birthday. “He’s still the Ray of when he first got here, and maybe even better than his first season because he was coming off ankle surgery,” Ainge says.

    He isn’t simply running to the 3-point line, catching and shooting. He’s scoring every way possible, and this doesn’t happen with NBA shooting guards at such an advanced age. Allen will play well into his late 30s barring a major injury, but that NBA title in ’08 probably means he’ll never be faced with the fortysomething temptations of Miller to come out of retirement and keep shooting.

    After all those years in Milwaukee and Seattle, Boston has represented so much for Allen’s career. Here, he won a title. He made himself an undeniable Hall of Famer. He’ll be remembered as a Celtic, and no one would’ve thought that when the Big Three was thrown together in 2007. Who knows how Miller would’ve impacted those Celtics in that season, how the chemistry would’ve been affected. Miller stayed away, kept pure his Pacers legacy, and now he comes to the Garden to watch Allen pass his record.

    “I know he could’ve helped,” Jackson says of Miller. “And I don’t think he would’ve been stealing a ring. He would’ve contributed.”

    Whatever the case, Reggie Miller will still have to stop, take a peek to the rafters and see that 17th championship banner dangling and privately ask himself: What if?

    Interesting article, shows some insights into reasons why Reggie didn't do it.

    I have to admit, even though it may have meant he got a ring, I am still glad Reggie made the choice he did. I think he is too.
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    Re: Yahoo Article on Reggie Choosing to NOT Join the Celtics

    Again, this is not a current offer declined by Reggie, but it is a good read and it had to be tough turning down an offer to play with a contender.

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      Re: Yahoo Article on Reggie Choosing to NOT Join the Celtics

      Interesting read. I love Reggie, but I do wonder sometimes how he would be perceived by Pacers fans if he had signed with Boston.

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        Re: Yahoo Article on Reggie Choosing to NOT Join the Celtics

        Originally posted by Eddie Gill View Post
        Interesting read. I love Reggie, but I do wonder sometimes how he would be perceived by Pacers fans if he had signed with Boston.
        I've often thought of this myself.

        I am incredibly proud of Reggie's "one team devotion" during his career.

        When news of this possible comeback came out I was HUGELY torn.

        To this day I can't really say how I would have felt. Without actually going through it, it's just all conjecture.

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          Re: Yahoo Article on Reggie Choosing to NOT Join the Celtics

          For the record, if Reggie played for the Celtics I would have understood and rooted for him hard.

          But I respect him even more for resisting the temptation and remaining loyal. Huge respect.
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            Re: Yahoo Article on Reggie Choosing to NOT Join the Celtics

            Originally posted by FlavaDave View Post
            For the record, if Reggie played for the Celtics I would have understood and rooted for him hard.
            I like to think that I would have had this same perspective.

            But I am also a die hard Green Bay Packers fan (grew up in Wisconsin) and let me tell you... It's not that simple ;-)

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              Re: Yahoo Article on Reggie Choosing to NOT Join the Celtics

              These articles make me so mad; because, I truly believe the media dictated Reggie's career in his late years. They basically forced him into retirement. Almost every night on Sportscenter it was about how old Reggie is or if he did well he was the "Reggie of the Old or Blast from the Past." His game was still there and he still had at least 2 more years in him. If he wanted to Join Boston he should of. He is a Pacer to the end but the Pacers weren't really the "Pacers" when the Celtics won it all. I Honestly would of been happy for Reggie but he didn't do it because of what people would think. I think it is sad and disturbing that people dictate the career of such a good player and man. He has one life and even though it appears to be a great one he could of chased a ring, he could of played more. He could of let the game leave him instead of leaving the game.

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                Re: Yahoo Article on Reggie Choosing to NOT Join the Celtics

                Originally posted by BoomBaby31 View Post
                These articles make me so mad; because, I truly believe the media dictated Reggie's career in his late years. They basically forced him into retirement. Almost every night on Sportscenter it was about how old Reggie is or if he did well he was the "Reggie of the Old or Blast from the Past." His game was still there and he still had at least 2 more years in him. If he wanted to Join Boston he should of. He is a Pacer to the end but the Pacers weren't really the "Pacers" when the Celtics won it all. I Honestly would of been happy for Reggie but he didn't do it because of what people would think. I think it is sad and disturbing that people dictate the career of such a good player and man. He has one life and even though it appears to be a great one he could of chased a ring, he could of played more. He could of let the game leave him instead of leaving the game.
                I totally see where you are coming from, and don't necessarily disagree with you.

                At the same time, all WE can base our assumptions off of are Reggie's public statements.

                We have no clue what his true personal feelings on these topics were... So it's not really fair to say one way or the other that the media "ruined" the end of his career or that he was "scared" of what fans would think.

                We simply don't know.

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                  Re: Yahoo Article on Reggie Choosing to NOT Join the Celtics

                  Man, you have to LOVE Reggie when you see something like this.

                  That said, I wish he would have joined that team and won a ring. He deserved it.
                  It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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                    Re: Yahoo Article on Reggie Choosing to NOT Join the Celtics

                    “It was not wanting to wear another uniform, and not wanting to feel like somebody else got him a ring,” Jackson says.

                    To his core, Miller had such deep love and loyalty to those 18 years with the Indiana Pacers.

                    That's all that matters, the rest of the article is just noise and background fluff.

                    Reggie you may never be able to see a banner that means anything to you but rest assured if you are ever down just walk into the fieldhouse during a pacers game unannounced and two things can happen for you.

                    1. There may not be a banner but you can look up and see a retired number.

                    2. I can assure you the fieldhouse will remind you of why to this day you are still called Mr. Pacer.


                    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                      Re: Yahoo Article on Reggie Choosing to NOT Join the Celtics

                      I think he turned down the offer because of how much pride he himself has in what he did and the legacy he left in Indiana, not because of what anyone else in the world would've thought about it. The tears in his eyes and the tremble in his voice when he talked about "18 years" at the Reggie appreciation ceremony told me all I needed to know about the guy.

                      Favorite NBA player of all time. Hands down. Love ya, Reggie!!



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                        Re: Yahoo Article on Reggie Choosing to NOT Join the Celtics

                        and yet we still can't work together to create something for him on reggiemiller.com?

                        some great fans we are...

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                          Re: Yahoo Article on Reggie Choosing to NOT Join the Celtics

                          I don't respect any player that jumps on a championjship team at the end lf their careers. Malone, Payton, shaq just to name a few. If you couldn't do it on your original team. Then so what.

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                            Re: Yahoo Article on Reggie Choosing to NOT Join the Celtics

                            I don't necessarily believe that he decided to stay retired strictly out of love for the Pacers. If he really loved them, he wouldn't have started working out with the Celtics. I think he was away from the game for too long (was it 2 or 3 years?) and he just couldn't get to the point where he'd feel valuable as a role player. He just couldn't get his body where it needed to be.

                            I have nothing against veterans on their last legs trying to go out as winners. I wouldn't have held it against Reggie if he worked his *** off, signed with the Celtics, and won a championship while playing 10mpg. I'm sure that wouldn't have been his first preference, but I'd rather get one that way than not at all.

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                              Re: Yahoo Article on Reggie Choosing to NOT Join the Celtics

                              Originally posted by FlavaDave View Post
                              For the record, if Reggie played for the Celtics I would have understood and rooted for him hard.

                              But I respect him even more for resisting the temptation and remaining loyal. Huge respect.
                              This is exactly how I feel too. He would've had my full support, especially with the way his final season in Indiana went with the aftermath of the brawl.

                              However, I think he realized that his final moments in the NBA, specifically with the Pacers, were incredible. He was fully aware of his legacy and all that he did while with the Pacers. He left the game with guns blazing and with plenty of ammo left. He walked off the court to a standing ovation from not only his die-hard fans but the players from the opposing team too! Even if he had won a title with Boston it would've been bittersweet after experiencing that.

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