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BornReady#6
02-04-2011, 09:44 PM
Denari just commented that the people of Indiana took Reggie and his 18 years of service "for granted", do you agree?

Pacers4Life
02-04-2011, 09:55 PM
I find this insulting. Reggie miller is the greatest clutch performer of all-time. If you don't agree I don't really care for you as much as I may have once.

BringJackBack
02-04-2011, 10:04 PM
Not only did we take Reggie for granted, we took being a very good team for granted as well. It's been tough.

IndyHoosier
02-04-2011, 10:05 PM
Hell no!!! I cherish EVERY moment that Reggie was in the Blue and Gold!!!! Denari is an idiot if he thinks that true Pacers fans ever took Reggie for granted.

PacerDude
02-04-2011, 10:18 PM
It's the 'you don't know what you've got 'till it's gone thing.

Legendary
02-04-2011, 10:23 PM
Man, I miss Reggie.

BlueNGold
02-04-2011, 10:24 PM
I don't think so. Reggie is my favorite player of any sport of all-time. He continues to be well known here and was a rock star in Indiana during the good old days.

Also, people recognized he was rare playing for the same team for his entire career...and that was discussed during the latter stages of his career. What was he, given a Bentley when he retired? I think many people believe he basically built Conseco Fieldhouse. IDK. Dude is the greatest in my book, but I think the city recognized him pretty well for it.

BringJackBack
02-04-2011, 10:31 PM
Hell no!!! I cherish EVERY moment that Reggie was in the Blue and Gold!!!! Denari is an idiot if he thinks that true Pacers fans ever took Reggie for granted.

I will admit, I, for one, took it for granted. I sure cherish it, but I never pondered the thought of what it would be like when everything was over.

immortality
02-04-2011, 10:35 PM
I think some may just because it produced no championship, but there are more people who realized how important he was to Indiana.

xBulletproof
02-04-2011, 10:41 PM
I can only answer for me, and that's a hell no.

It's the same thing I'm doing now with Peyton Manning, reminding myself how lucky I am before each game and tell myself to not take it for granted. However I think a lot of the people sitting around whining that the Colts only won 1 Super Bowl, probably will. Just as that same attitude I would say is the biggest reasoning that people took Reggie for granted.

BlueNGold
02-04-2011, 10:41 PM
I will admit, I, for one, took it for granted. I sure cherish it, but I never pondered the thought of what it would be like when everything was over.

It's natural to feel that way considering how the team imploded. If the Jermaine era guys had their heads on straight, we might have a championship by now and the Miller years would not be viewed quite so fondly.

Just tonight, I saw a lifesize poster of Miller being held up in the stands. I suppose Indianapolis didn't replace the Soldier's & Sailor's monument with a 300 foot statute of Reggie Miller...but I think that would even be a bit too much...

croz24
02-04-2011, 10:43 PM
pacers fans, no. nba fans, yes.

BringJackBack
02-04-2011, 10:43 PM
Plus that guy from Beijing.. I'll admit my fiery side got chills when he got so worked up about how much he loved Unc Reg.

BlueNGold
02-04-2011, 10:48 PM
I can only answer for me, and that's a hell no.

It's the same thing I'm doing now with Peyton Manning, reminding myself how lucky I am before each game and tell myself to not take it for granted. However I think a lot of the people sitting around whining that the Colts only won 1 Super Bowl, probably will. Just as that same attitude I would say is the biggest reasoning that people took Reggie for granted.

Although I'm a far bigger Reggie Miller fan, I will say this about Peyton Manning.

Peyton is a bigger star across the country than Reggie and is basically viewed as one of the top 2 QB's in the NFL. Reggie was great, but not at that level. Peyton is more like Bird or Magic level. Also, I think Peyton is an idol here too with all the jerseys you see every Friday. He's a rock star too so I don't get the idea he's not given enough credit. They basically talk about him like he's dead now...in terms of his legacy and everything...and he may be in the league another 8 years.

In any event, the Colts could move out of Indy and I wouldn't miss them too much. I don't expect many here feel that way of course.

Day-V
02-04-2011, 10:51 PM
I was a young kid through much of his career, so I really didn't grasp the concept of Free Agency until the latter part of the 90's. I sure cherished it, but in a sense I did take it for granted. "Reggie Miller and the Indiana Pacers" It just seemed right. Never really thought of the idea that he could be leaving until after the Brawl. Then it was like "Oh ****, we need to start going to more games. This is our last time we get to see Reggie."


My one and only Pacers Playoff game I've ever been to is the one against Boston in 2005 when Reggie scored like 34 points. I'll always remember that.

cdash
02-04-2011, 10:54 PM
I don't think so. I worshipped that guy. Worshipped him. Cried when he retired. Cried watching the 30 for 30 on him. Had all his jerseys. He was my childhood idol.

Pacerized
02-04-2011, 10:54 PM
I endured the 80's Pacer teams and I still think I took Reggie for granted to a degree. I appreciated him and I loved every game he played in but I took for granted how clutch he was. If a game was close in the final minutes I always took for granted that the odds were we'd pull it out. That was all Reggie even in rare cases when he didn't take the final shot, he was the reason someone else would be open to take it. Since Reggie left I've felt if the game's close in the final minutes the odds are against us.

Kid Minneapolis
02-04-2011, 11:10 PM
I never took him for granted... knew we had a gem and that we'd be set back likely for a long time without his presence. You don't find guys like that often.

Same reason everyone needs to enjoy Peyton Manning right now. The Colts are gonna have some haaarrd times when he's no longer around.

Indra
02-04-2011, 11:19 PM
I never did. I worshipped him as a kid. The greatest day of my life was getting 3rd row seats behind the Indy bench for my birthday. 2nd greatest day was running into Reggie at Circle Center. I didn't even say peep, just stared in awe. Reggie is a hero to a lot of us.

Slick Pinkham
02-04-2011, 11:21 PM
Among the diehards here, we were discussing his hall-of-fame chances long before he ever retired, so in general I think not. Among the general public at large? Perhaps.

Trophy
02-04-2011, 11:23 PM
I don't know how we could take him for granted.

Pretty much every game was sold out.

vapacersfan
02-04-2011, 11:31 PM
When I first started watching the NBA I may have been naive in thinking he would last forever, but that thought process did not last long.

I owned everything from all his jerseys, to his shoes, to a coin collector kit that I got made fun of for posting. I did not care. Reggie Miller was the Indiana Pacers and the Indiana Pacers were Reggie Miller. I loved Chris Mullin, Rik Smits, Sam Perkins, and Derrick McKey when I watched my first Pacers game, but I will never forget when I turned to my aunt and said "That Reggie Miller guy, he is pretty good"

I never saw myself as just a "Reggie Miller" fan, but he was a damn important part about why I became a Pacers fan. And no, I do not think I took him for granted at all.

Though I do wish he could have gotten a ring the year we do not discuss....but such is life. I would love to see him come back to the team in some capacity one day, but I think that day is far off

Spirit
02-04-2011, 11:59 PM
Um, no. Reggie was well loved by Pacers fans and even overrated by most.

Phree Refill
02-05-2011, 12:00 AM
Denari just commented that the people of Indiana took Reggie and his 18 years of service "for granted", do you agree?

I heard Denari make that comment to but I interpreted it a different way. I thought Chris was eluding to Reggie spending his entire career with the pacers and that maybe we took that for granted... not necessarily Reggie himself. And in that case I could see where maybe we took it for granted. Other than Kobe, Pierce, and Duncan, are there even any other elite players in the league right now that have more than 10 years of service with one and only one team? Its practically unheard of for good players to spend their whole career with one team. I think Chris was saying that is what we took for granted.

Eleazar
02-05-2011, 12:05 AM
For me, and I imagine most people on here, no we didn't. For those more casual fans yes.

BlueNGold
02-05-2011, 12:39 AM
For me, and I imagine most people on here, no we didn't. For those more casual fans yes.

What exactly would it take for Reggie to not have been taken for granted? Does he need a monument at Conseco? A building named after him? A street?

michealwilliams4
02-05-2011, 01:02 AM
I was a young kid through much of his career, so I really didn't grasp the concept of Free Agency until the latter part of the 90's. I sure cherished it, but in a sense I did take it for granted. "Reggie Miller and the Indiana Pacers" It just seemed right.

This is partially how I was when I was younger as well. It was around Reggie's contract in the summer of 96 that I first really understood what free agency was. My uncle razzed me all summer about the possibility of Reggie signing and playing with the Knicks, and even though I knew he wouldn't go (based on absolutely nothing), it was the same summer I was blindsided by seeing Shaquille O'Neal just leave the Magic and Dikembe Mutombo leave the Nuggets.

I knew guys got traded and guys signed with other teams, but it never hit me that franchise guys ever left like that...if it weren't part of a blockbuster for another franchise player. Jordan was always on the Bulls, Stockton and Malone always on the Jazz, Robinson always on Spurs, Hakeem always on Rockets, Ewing always on the Knicks. It just didn't hit me that these types of guys ever left.

So I took Reggie for granted in that sense, but as a player, I don't think I ever did. I, like many others, grew up idolizing him. The amount of adoration I hate for Reggie was through the roof. But I think I fully appreciated him for the first time during the 96 playoffs when he wasn't there for Games 1-4 and the Pacers struggled against an inferior Hawks squad. I knew then that the team had something special in Reggie.

I probably did take the success for granted, or at least the prolonged lack of being really pretty terrible as these recent teams have been at times, but Reggie, no way.

Also, this Reggie '96 thing is one of the reasons I completely justify Joe Johnson's insane contract, because I just know there was a young Hawks fan (I think...are there any Hawks fans, honestly?) being razzed by his uncle that Joe Johnson was leaving Atlanta. I would've hated to see that kid become like the young Cavs fan who thought the same of LeBron James, but that's just me........

Unclebuck
02-05-2011, 01:08 AM
yeah

TV Voice
02-05-2011, 01:19 AM
Love to get on Pacers Digest and see what the fans have to say...whether it's win or lose...good or bad. I always read...but I decided I need to register and to post and clear up what I said on FS Indiana on Friday night.

One of the posters was right...I meant that Reggie could be taken for granted because he played in one city...for one team for 18 years. That rarely happens in the NBA...let alone pro sports. If it came out wrong...I apologize.

I have lived and worked in this city since the early 80's...and Reggie helped lift the Pacers to a different level. We probably can never appreciate what he truly did...until now. Hard to do that when your in the moment. You don't realize what you had.

But the major thing is...he played and stayed in one place. We sometimes just assumed that to be the case...but that's a rare commodity in the world of sports.

Taterhead
02-05-2011, 01:54 AM
I didn't. I loved every minute of his career and I wouldn't of traded him for anyone, and I mean anyone.

I don't watch sports for the hope that my team will win the championship. I root for players to win a championship when they deserve it. And I never saw anyone who deserved it more. I can honestly say that. How could you not root for that guy? He was tough as nails, clutch, cocky and every bit as great a competitor there is to ever walk on a basketball court.

The only difference between Reggie and the very best to ever play like Jordan and Magic is physical gifts. The guy wore leg braces as a child. He was no gifted athlete. He was tall and skinny. And worked his skinny *** to NBA Legend status. Enough said.

Hicks
02-05-2011, 01:59 AM
Love to get on Pacers Digest and see what the fans have to say...whether it's win or lose...good or bad. I always read...but I decided I need to register and to post and clear up what I said on FS Indiana on Friday night.

One of the posters was right...I meant that Reggie could be taken for granted because he played in one city...for one team for 18 years. That rarely happens in the NBA...let alone pro sports. If it came out wrong...I apologize.

I have lived and worked in this city since the early 80's...and Reggie helped lift the Pacers to a different level. We probably can never appreciate what he truly did...until now. Hard to do that when your in the moment. You don't realize what you had.

But the major thing is...he played and stayed in one place. We sometimes just assumed that to be the case...but that's a rare commodity in the world of sports.

Thanks for stopping by, Chris!

croz24
02-05-2011, 06:01 AM
Um, no. Reggie was well loved by Pacers fans and even overrated by most.

a 19 year old who was maybe 3 during reggie's prime would say that...

Merz
02-05-2011, 06:21 AM
I know I myself and my older brother did not take him for granted. Some of my friends certainly did and a whole lot of my classmates through the years did. To a lot of them the simple fact that he wasn't Michael Jordan was enough for them to go as far as to say he sucked.

Of course these are the same people who hated the Colts and said Peyton Manning would never amount to anything and that Edgerrin James looked like a thug (I was always win or lose a die hard Pacers/Colts fan). Now I see a bunch of these same old classmates on facebook wearing their Colts jerseys. They're a bunch on bandwagon fans and frontrunners...most of the city is.

Try not to take offense as there certainly are some true die hard fans through and through within the city. Everyone here has nothing to worry about. If anyone here was a bandwagon jumper they wouldn't even be here.

So all in all I can agree with Chris to an extent (possibly even full on because I doubt he was talking about the die-hards).

Major Cold
02-05-2011, 09:16 AM
We did not know what we had when we had him in a uniform. Especially in his later years. He did more for the culture around here than what he did on the court. His loyalty was amazing.

Kegboy
02-05-2011, 09:34 AM
I bawled my eyes out his last game. I certainly didn't take him for granted.

IndyHoosier
02-05-2011, 11:18 AM
Ummmm....sorry Chris.... about the "Denari is an idiot" comment!!!! Sometimes you forget on here who may be reading. No hard feelings? :)

IndyHoosier
02-05-2011, 11:19 AM
I bawled my eyes out his last game. I certainly didn't take him for granted.

ditto

TV Voice
02-05-2011, 11:45 AM
No hard feelings.

By the way...if there are games when nobody is using my two tickets...I would like to make them available to folks here on Pacers Digest. I'll post if they are available in the upcoming weeks.

Granville
02-05-2011, 11:57 AM
I know Chris cleared up what he was saying, but I'll answer anyway. I do not think Reggie was taken for granted. I think people appreciated and understood what he was doing for the franchise, city, and state.

However, I do think Rik, the Davis boys, McKey, Tank Thompson, and Mark Jackson were, as were championship moves like bringing in Chris Mullin, Byron Scott, and Sam Perkins.

I'm not saying people didn't love them, cherish them, and feel passionate about them. I'm simply saying that Reggie couldn't have done it himself, and maybe we took for granted what a special cast of players he had around him.

idioteque
02-05-2011, 12:04 PM
I was also too young to contemplate Reggie leaving in 1996 and like the other posted said took it for granted that he would always be with the Pacers like Ewing would always be with the Knicks and Dream would always be with the Rockets.

Now, a couple years ago when I read up on his free agency it blew me away as to how lucky we were for him to stick around. Without Reggie in the late 90's there may have been no Conseco and subsequently no Pacers. Reggie Miller and Peyton Manning have really done the world for the city, without them sure we could have gotten other stars, but then again Indianapolis might be Columbus, Ohio without Ohio State.

Major Cold
02-05-2011, 12:09 PM
I think this is a lesson in being tactful when discussing people of Pacerdom. Sometimes we forget they are humans with families and feelings. I can't imagine what Quinn thinks of some of the comments I have made.

But one thing is for certain, Chris you have certainly stepped it up this year.


And I cried as well. But it seem to end quickly, regardless of the prior announcement.

RWB
02-05-2011, 02:56 PM
I know Chris cleared up what he was saying, but I'll answer anyway. I do not think Reggie was taken for granted. I think people appreciated and understood what he was doing for the franchise, city, and state.

However, I do think Rik, the Davis boys, McKey, Tank Thompson, and Mark Jackson were, as were championship moves like bringing in Chris Mullin, Byron Scott, and Sam Perkins.

I'm not saying people didn't love them, cherish them, and feel passionate about them. I'm simply saying that Reggie couldn't have done it himself, and maybe we took for granted what a special cast of players he had around him.

You have stayed true to your convictions Granville. I remember having this same conversation about 6 years ago about trying to get a statue built for Reggie. Seemed the PD membership was split 50/50 at that time. The 1st draft statue is no longer there, but a painting is still posted if you click on the painting link http://bill-wolfe.com/index.html I bet someone probably still has a picture of the mockup statue from our forum parties.

And for good measure here's one an ISU group was trying to gather steam on http://larrylegendfoundation.com/index_files/Page1183.htm

Speaking of honoring one Reginald Wayne Miller, does the collective still have ReggieMiller.com still on hold?

Granville
02-05-2011, 04:15 PM
You have stayed true to your convictions Granville. I remember having this same conversation about 6 years ago about trying to get a statue built for Reggie. Seemed the PD membership was split 50/50 at that time. The 1st draft statue is no longer there, but a painting is still posted if you click on the painting link http://bill-wolfe.com/index.html I bet someone probably still has a picture of the mockup statue from our forum parties.

And for good measure here's one an ISU group was trying to gather steam on http://larrylegendfoundation.com/index_files/Page1183.htm

Speaking of honoring one Reginald Wayne Miller, does the collective still have ReggieMiller.com still on hold?

I will say this--as soon as Reggie as goes in the Hall I think it would be most appropriate for a statue of him to go up in front of Conseco. Hopefully that day will come very soon.

TheDon
02-05-2011, 07:07 PM
I enjoyed every minute from when I became a fan at a young age till when he retired. I tell ya when we got elminated by the pistons and reggie left without a ring. I was ready to go out and start handing out the complete works of Nietzsche, I felt like God was dead and there was no justice in the world after all that man did for the Pacers him to go without ever getting a ring was a complete injustice.

BlueNGold
02-05-2011, 11:49 PM
...maybe we took for granted what a special cast of players he had around him.

I think you hit on something there. While I do feel that the city recognized Reggie for the gift he was...I don't believe we appreciated the quality level of the supporting cast Donnie put together over the years. That team in the late 90's was deep and talented. I seriously doubt that putting together those pieces was an easy task.

The reality is, the strength of the Reggie era teams was its depth combined with how well the starting unit was put together.

Jackson - great floor general and pass first PG.
Miller - deadly assassin for the late game heroics.
McKey - fantastic defensive player and extremely long for a SF.
DDavis - enforcer, shot blocker and rebounder.
Smits - huge C with fantastic touch.

They fit like a glove baby.

The other pieces were all starting level quality players including Byron Scott, Antonio Davis, Sam Perkins, Chris Mullin and many others. Quality players with just the right mix of skills for the strategy.

BobbyMac
02-06-2011, 12:02 AM
Nor did we take other great players like Daniels, McGinnis or Brown for granted. I was privileged to see all 4 play many times.

Pacers#1Fan
02-06-2011, 12:48 AM
I was born in 1989, I couldn't help but take Reggie for granted. Reggie's clutch performances were all I knew. Just because I took him for granted doesn't mean he didn't mean more to me than any player to don a Pacers' jersey or that I didn't appreciate the intensity and leadership he brought to the court night in and night out. Sadly though, it was after Reggie retired that I was able to FULLY appreciate him and not take him for granted.

Trader Joe
02-06-2011, 03:45 AM
You know those moments in life, when you just kind of stand there, and it's surreal and you can't believe it's happening? The last 5 minutes of game 6 Pacers vs. Pistons 2005 will be etched into my memory as one of those events. It was like trying to catch grains of sand as we watched Reggie pour on 27 more points as he left absolutely everything on the floor, and then the standing ovation, everyone seemed to wish we would see one more miracle, one more jumper, one more Reggie chant....

I wish that night had never ended, because watching Reggie Miller walk off court for the last time in a Pacers jersey was the most emotional athletic moment I've ever had. The man brought me to the game I love, a game that has taught me how to live my life in many ways.

I dunno, take him for granted? Maybe in terms of just expecting him to always be a Pacer, but man if you were there on that night, it's tough to say there's ever going to be an athlete again in Indianapolis who we had that kind of a connection to.

Peyton may have brought us a Super Bowl, but he's never been the enemy. Never been "our guy" IMO. Peyton is too hollywood, he's almost out of place in Indianapolis, even with his southern roots, he seems more at home with the camera on him. While Reggie had a great sense of the moment and was from LA, there was something very Indiana about him. He shot the ball well (a rare talent for some inner city basketball programs), and he just gave us a sense of, "Ok, world, Indiana is here, and we're going to stir some **** up" Reggie could get caught up in the moment, and lost himself in it alongside us. His barbs with Spike Lee and his nut grabbing incident illustrate that the most. Peyton, meanwhile, is almost too robotic, we still barely know who he is.

When Peyton retires, it will be sad, I'm sure, and we'll remember the good time. Do I expect to shed tears like I did with Reggie? I don't think so. I just don't have that connection. Reggie wore his heart on his sleeve, and I think that is something Hoosiers can appreciate.