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    Problems mounting w/ Hibbert

    http://realgm.com/src_feature_pieces...t_for_hibbert/

    Roy Hibbert has seen his production take a steep decline as the season has progressed.

    He was a leading candidate for the Most Improved Player award after he averaged 15.6 points, 9.4 rebounds and 1.9 blocks and shot 49.1% from the field in November, but the fall has been precipitous.

    In five games during the month of January, Hibbert is shooting just 37% and averaging only nine points and eight rebounds for Indiana.

    Over the weekend he admitted to Mike Wells of The Indianapolis Star that he planned to seek out a sports psychologist to help with his on-court struggles. Hibbert, incredibly polite and unassuming in a profession that breeds overconfidence, has been in a funk for almost seven weeks.

    “It is mental,” Hibbert told Wells. “I need to keep working to get through this.”

    It’s no coincidence that the Pacers have struggled along with Hibbert.

    Since Dec. 1st, Indiana is 7-13 after beginning the season 9-7.

    Over that 20-game stretch, Hibbert has averaged 10.5 points, 7.1 rebounds and 1.6 blocks on 41.2% shooting. His minutes have declined slightly, but his field goal attempts have not.

    He had seven double-doubles in his first 16 games, but has recorded just four in the 20 games since. Lost in his shooting woes have been his difficulty handling the basketball. Known as a deft passer for a player his size, Hibbert has turned the ball over 2.19 times a game this season, including a forgettable performance against the Wizards on Dec. 31 when he had seven turnovers.

    His field goal percentage (44.6%) is even lower than it was during his rookie season (47.1%) and is lower than his career-high last season as well (49.5%).

    More positively, Hibbert has maintained a PER of 16.2 (slightly above average) and his total rebounding percentage has jumped to 15.9% this season. However, his numbers are still several points lower than the league’s best rebounders and Hibbert had a 16.1 PER as a rookie.

    The center’s struggles are especially disconcerting given all the work he put in this past offseason.

    While his workouts with Hall of Famer Bill Walton may have been slightly overexposed, he entered the season as a completely different athlete. I use that term specifically because the once-lumbering big man now embodies the word.

    In addition to an outwardly physical transformation, Hibbert put himself in a better chance to succeed by getting his exercise-induced asthma over control.

    “I take an Advair twice a day, once in the morning and once again at night. In emergency situations, I have an inhaler in case I need some extra relief or anything like that -- I don’t have asthma attacks,” he told RealGM.

    “I also make sure my conditioning is right. If I play fewer minutes than usual, I’ll do extra conditioning work.”

    Remember those times when four Pacers would on one side of the court setting up the offense while Hibbert slowly arrive from the defensive end?

    They have been all but nonexistent this season.

    Unfortunately, his success in November may have induced his recent mental anguish. He was one of the league’s success stories two months ago, but he’s almost been written off at this point.

    We must remember he has already overcome critics of not only his physicality but also his ability to transfer his success in college to the professional game.

    Earlier in his career, Hibbert would be able to gauge his playing time based on who the Pacers were playing, but this season O’Brien has often demanded that players continue feeding the center in the post despite his struggles.

    “In years past I would think that I’d be used more and less based on matchups, but this year my minutes have been more consistent,” he said.

    “If I’m having a good game, I’m usually on the court a little more. It used to be that if I was playing against a smaller, quicker guy I wouldn’t be out there as much, but this year it’s simply a matter of me getting the job done.”

    Hibbert hasn’t had very many good games over the last seven weeks, but the Pacers are sticking with him as they keep an eye on the future.
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    Re: Problems mounting w/ Hibbert

    At this point I've heard enough excuses. He's just not that good. He had TWO points on 1-8 shooting last night. Pathetic.

    It's been seven weeks. He either needs some serious time off, he's in a big time slump, or we need to start thinking about re-evaluating our needs.. Starting with a new center.
    We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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    • #3
      Re: Problems mounting w/ Hibbert

      Originally posted by hoops_guy View Post
      At this point I've heard enough excuses. He's just not that good. He had TWO points on 1-8 shooting last night. Pathetic.

      It's been seven weeks. He either needs some serious time off, he's in a big time slump, or we need to start thinking about re-evaluating our needs.. Starting with a new center.
      You know at first when I read this I thought it might be a little harsh, but then I had a flashback to Taj Gibson pushing him off the block like he weighed 34 pounds.

      After having that flashback I no longer have my first impression.

      I like Roy & I really want him to get it together but right now he is just bad, really really really bad.

      Worst starting center in the NBA bad maybe.


      Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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      • #4
        Re: Problems mounting w/ Hibbert

        Originally posted by hoops_guy View Post
        At this point I've heard enough excuses. He's just not that good. He had TWO points on 1-8 shooting last night. Pathetic.
        Gee, Collison was 4-16 and Granger was 8-23, Do you think we should send them packing as well?

        It's been seven weeks. He either needs some serious time off, he's in a big time slump, or we need to start thinking about re-evaluating our needs.. Starting with a new center.
        Bingo with the slump comment. Sometimes things can snowball on a young player. Heck, it even happens to veteran players. Time is generally the best cure. You see it all the time in baseball. A good hitter will start a string of games where he is going 0-3, 0-4, 1-4, then he breaks back out of it. Many times there is not a good reason why, it just happens.

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        • #5
          Re: Problems mounting w/ Hibbert

          Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
          http://realgm.com/src_feature_pieces...t_for_hibbert/
          I put this and mentioned this story in another thread, but what I stated bears repeating, as I feel it is important..

          Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
          I got to thinking a bit ago while watching the game..

          . I was watching a commercial for Advair while flipping through the channels , and it hit me ..

          I am serious..

          I think there is a very good possibility that the asthma medicine that Roy takes (Advair) may be a part of his problem..at least maybe the mental aspect that we know about that he has confirmed that he believes may be the problem .. ...



          He may very well be experiencing some of the side effects of taking that medication ..
          I know from personal experience, that sometimes it takes a few months of being on the medication for the side effects to begin showing up...



          Here are just a few of the possible side effects ..



          # Breathing problems that are becoming worse
          # An irregular heart rhythm (arrhythmia)
          # A very fast heart rate (tachycardia)
          # High blood pressure (hypertension)
          # High blood sugar
          # Agitation, aggression, anxiety, or restlessness
          # Depression
          # Osteoporosis
          # Eye problems, including glaucoma or cataracts
          # A frequent or severe infection of any type
          # Signs of an allergic reaction, including an unexplained rash, hives, itching, unexplained swelling, wheezing, or difficulty breathing or swallowing.



          and that is just to name a few ..

          heck, even google "advair + depression" and look for yourselves... Seems there are alot of people experiencing and writing about their bad experiences with taking it..

          http://www.drugalert.org/advair/advair-side-effects.htm



          I think in all seriousness , that the possibility should be explored.. Hopefully Roy reads this or someone can maybe float the possibility and concern to him..





          Here is a quote from Big Roy regarding him taking the medication Advair ..

          “I take an Advair twice a day, once in the morning and once again at night. In emergency situations, I have an inhaler in case I need some extra relief or anything like that -- I don’t have asthma attacks,” he told RealGM.

          Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_feature_pi...#ixzz1B4HigPBv



          What I stated as my "personal experience" , I was referring to a family member who took advair, and they had all sorts of problems on that medication.. Fell into a severe depression, was always real moody , seemed like a totally different person...

          After reflecting on my memory further, I would almost bet the farm that it most certainely is contributing to his mental problems that have arisen lately..


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          • #6
            Re: Problems mounting w/ Hibbert

            Originally posted by Tom White View Post
            Gee, Collison was 4-16 and Granger was 8-23, Do you think we should send them packing as well?



            Bingo with the slump comment. Sometimes things can snowball on a young player. Heck, it even happens to veteran players. Time is generally the best cure. You see it all the time in baseball. A good hitter will start a string of games where he is going 0-3, 0-4, 1-4, then he breaks back out of it. Many times there is not a good reason why, it just happens.
            With the Collison-Granger comment, the difference is that Roy has been terrible for about two months. I don't just mean horrible, I mean a disgrace.

            I've never seen anything like this with a player.
            We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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            • #7
              Re: Problems mounting w/ Hibbert

              *sigh*

              Roy Hibbert has never had to be the "guy" and..despite Granger being our "all star" the opposing teams are chosing to stop Hibbert.

              Hibbert doesn't know how to deal with it. JOB doesn't know how to adjust to it. And no one on the team has given opposing teams a reason change their game plan.

              Essentially, you stop Hibbert, the Pacers then live and die on the three point shot..which means the opposing team wins.

              Hibbert's improved. He has. But right now, teams are defending him so well that he can't get himself in good position (he needs to get some lower body strength) and quite frankly, he doesn't know how to be "the guy" yet.

              And this isn't even touching the mental aspect of what's going on.

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              • #8
                Re: Problems mounting w/ Hibbert

                Take two aspirin, fire one coach, and call me in October.
                "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                • #9
                  Re: Problems mounting w/ Hibbert

                  Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                  *sigh*

                  Roy Hibbert has never had to be the "guy" and..despite Granger being our "all star" the opposing teams are chosing to stop Hibbert.

                  Hibbert doesn't know how to deal with it. JOB doesn't know how to adjust to it. And no one on the team has given opposing teams a reason change their game plan.

                  Essentially, you stop Hibbert, the Pacers then live and die on the three point shot..which means the opposing team wins.

                  Hibbert's improved. He has. But right now, teams are defending him so well that he can't get himself in good position (he needs to get some lower body strength) and quite frankly, he doesn't know how to be "the guy" yet.

                  And this isn't even touching the mental aspect of what's going on.
                  Not saying that I disagree with you, but does anyone have any examples of this happening in the past with other players? Just for reference.
                  We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Problems mounting w/ Hibbert

                    Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                    Take two aspirin, fire one coach, and call me in October.
                    How can you watch Hibbert struggle and think it's Obie's fault? I just don't get it. He gets outmuscled, he takes bad shots, he misses good shots, he struggles to get good position, and on and on. I don't know what coach can fix that. I think Jim deserves kudos for putting Roy in a position to excel. Roy just hasn't been up to it. If you want to criticize Jim for anything, it's relying too much on Roy to make the offense run smoothly.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Problems mounting w/ Hibbert

                      Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                      Take two aspirin, fire one coach, and call me in October.
                      Its pretty easy to just blame everything on a scapegoat. It won't get you anywhere, but at least you don't need to think.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Problems mounting w/ Hibbert

                        ...this season O’Brien has often demanded that players continue feeding the center in the post despite his struggles.
                        Weren't there posters on this board demanding exactly this, saying Roy would play through his mistakes?
                        BillS

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                        • #13
                          Re: Problems mounting w/ Hibbert

                          Originally posted by BillS View Post
                          Weren't there posters on this board demanding exactly this, saying Roy would play through his mistakes?
                          Roy Hibbert used to not suck. And not one person on this planet expected him to fall off a cliff like he has. He's pitiful now.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Problems mounting w/ Hibbert

                            Originally posted by BillS View Post
                            Weren't there posters on this board demanding exactly this, saying Roy would play through his mistakes?
                            alot of them

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                            • #15
                              Re: Problems mounting w/ Hibbert

                              Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
                              alot of them
                              Again, bringing this up is preposterous. No one expected Roy Hibbert to be this bad. Anyone after watching this team last season would say that Roy needs a lot more touches, but now he is crap.

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