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Dr. Awesome
01-15-2011, 01:29 PM
What about some sort of "I pledge..." campaign? It sounds cheesy and over the top, but if a ton of people were to pledge to show more support, by going to games, or whatever it is, then maybe that would finally get through to management.


I have just reached the point of having enough and am willing to try anything.

Deadshot
01-15-2011, 01:52 PM
If they're already finding ways to avoid hearing the boo's for O'Brien, then a pledge probably won't work either. At this point it seems like someone would have to raise the money to pay another coach's salary for the remainder of the year (although moving someone like an assistant that is already on the payroll makes more sense).

Dr. Awesome
01-15-2011, 02:23 PM
If they're already finding ways to avoid hearing the boo's for O'Brien, then a pledge probably won't work either. At this point it seems like someone would have to raise the money to pay another coach's salary for the remainder of the year (although moving someone like an assistant that is already on the payroll makes more sense).

You know whos booing the coach at the games? People who paid for tickets.

If a bunch of people who aren't paying for tickets or supporting their team were to pledge something, I'm fairly certain it would get the ownerships ears. It would have to get to him as a buisnessman.

cdash
01-15-2011, 03:22 PM
It's not going to do any good. He isn't going anywhere this season, no matter how big of a fit we throw. TPTB know the fans don't like him, and likely know he isn't working out. I'd be shocked if he came back after that.

Lord Helmet
01-15-2011, 04:45 PM
Yeah, don't waste your energy. We could be lose the rest of the year and O'Brien wouldn't be fired.

The only way he's back this fall is if we make some miraculous playoff run.

Bball
01-15-2011, 05:30 PM
Yeah, don't waste your energy. We could be lose the rest of the year and O'Brien wouldn't be fired.

The only way he's back this fall is if we make some miraculous playoff run.

I don't know if it's the only way he'll be back but in the East it's possible we could make the playoffs and still be playing bad basketball. ...And his MO could certainly have us sniffing a playoff spot at the end of the year when a winning record probably won't be necessary to make the playoffs (and plenty of other teams will be tanking, looking forward to the summer, readying for the playoffs, or taking the Pacers lightly).

I just don't think it's a forgone conclusion that he's gone after the season.

That's one thing a mid season firing would do- Show the fans he's not going to be here next season.

Basketball Fan
01-15-2011, 05:44 PM
Im understanding in that he won't be fired. Just not how Indiana does things. (however this is an at will employment state...haha)

With that said my biggest concern isn't getting him fired this year, but making sure he isn't back next year.



Pretty much even though its a completely pipe dream to have O'Brien and Caldwell fired.

Of course whether that's a sign of improvement depends on who their replacements would be.

Naptown_Seth
01-15-2011, 05:44 PM
What about some sort of "I pledge..." campaign? It sounds cheesy and over the top, but if a ton of people were to pledge to show more support, by going to games, or whatever it is, then maybe that would finally get through to management.


I have just reached the point of having enough and am willing to try anything.
I've already said to two different ticket reps before the season that I'm A) not renewing because of JOB and B) want to be called 5 minutes before they announce his departure so I can drive over and hand them a check for tickets as he walks out the door.

He goes, they 100% get a lot more money from me. Not hyperbole or BS, and ASAP.


I don't even care if the next coach works out, I just want them to try something else.

Naptown_Seth
01-15-2011, 05:53 PM
Just not how Indiana does things.
It used to be. The Pacers used to switch midstream when things weren't going well.

As I've pointed out in many threads, JOB is the longest tenured unsuccessful coach the team has had. No other guys last 3 years this far under .500, let alone 4.

What did Bob Hill do that warranted replacing him more, or Versace?


It's clear to me that ownership and/or Bird have set the bar of expectations extra low, like 34 wins every year for 4 years. I guess I disagree with that because as bad as things were, plenty of teams have escaped that level of output with modest moves and solid coaching. Not title level, but certainly .500 ball.

JonnyB83
01-15-2011, 06:03 PM
If they're already finding ways to avoid hearing the boo's for O'Brien, then a pledge probably won't work either. At this point it seems like someone would have to raise the money to pay another coach's salary for the remainder of the year (although moving someone like an assistant that is already on the payroll makes more sense).

I got 5 on it

Bball
01-15-2011, 06:06 PM
It's clear to me that ownership and/or Bird have set the bar of expectations extra low, like 34 wins every year for 4 years.

And that isn't 34 wins trying to develop young players and build for the future either. Those numbers were achieved playing to win and to make the playoffs...

grace
01-15-2011, 06:35 PM
Here's what I see happening if a "Fans' Pledge" really happened.

PS&E lurker: Hey Larry, the fans are pledging to come to games and be more supportive if JOB gets fired.

Larry: Pledge? You mean like how we pledged to play better?

Los Angeles
01-15-2011, 06:38 PM
I pledge to see the Pacers as often as possible because I love my Pacers.

How's that?

sportfireman
01-15-2011, 07:03 PM
If the coach is fired this season I would have to fly from Louisiana to come sit in the stands. And I'm so broke right now but I would find a way to make it there.

vnzla81
01-15-2011, 10:03 PM
And that isn't 34 wins trying to develop young players and build for the future either. Those numbers were achieved playing to win and to make the playoffs...

Every time I see this it makes me laugh :laugh::laugh:

spazzxb
01-15-2011, 10:20 PM
Here's what I see happening if a "Fans' Pledge" really happened.

PS&E lurker: Hey Larry, the fans are pledging to come to games and be more supportive if JOB gets fired.

Larry: Pledge? You mean like how we pledged to play better?

my guess is it would probably be more like

Larry: Pledge, from the people who ran every coach they ever had out of town, Or is it the people who said they would come back once the "thugs" were gone. Do you believe some of those idiots are calling for Bill to fire Caldwell? If you want to make it in this business the first thing you need to learn is to ignore the noise, the truth is fans like winning the rest is BS.

PaceBalls
01-15-2011, 10:23 PM
Yet... we keep losing... go figure

spazzxb
01-15-2011, 10:29 PM
Yet... we keep losing... go figure

I am patient not satisfied.I actually appreciate things such as financial position and am realistic in my expectations for this season. What happens before the trade deadline and in the offseason is far more important to me than Jim Obriens expiring contract.

pwee31
01-15-2011, 10:48 PM
Wait till next year

1984
01-15-2011, 10:50 PM
It is clear that Jim O'Brien has no fan support. A fan pledge will do nothing to foster a decision regarding his release. It is clear that the Pacer's brass are steering the ship in the direction they see fit - with or without fan approval.

Larry Bird is a basketball man not a business man. Bird will do what he believes is best for basketball before business.

Trophy
01-15-2011, 11:21 PM
I seriously doubt he will be back next season.

Bird knows this guy is running the team into the ground.

mcampbellarch
01-15-2011, 11:56 PM
If the coach is fired this season I would have to fly from Louisiana to come sit in the stands. And I'm so broke right now but I would find a way to make it there.


If the coach is fired I will make a donation towards your efforts.

Sandman21
01-16-2011, 01:32 AM
If the Pacers fire Jim O'Brien, I pledge to buy tickets to at least two games next season (the finances are finally coming to a point where I can even consider it). And not at the Black Friday el cheapo price either....

BringJackBack
01-16-2011, 01:36 AM
If the coach is fired I pledge to never underestimate the power a coach has on a team again.

Basketball Fan
01-16-2011, 01:44 AM
my guess is it would probably be more like

Larry: Pledge, from the people who ran every coach they ever had out of town, Or is it the people who said they would come back once the "thugs" were gone. Do you believe some of those idiots are calling for Bill to fire Caldwell? If you want to make it in this business the first thing you need to learn is to ignore the noise, the truth is fans like winning the rest is BS.

Please some of us never thought he should've been hired I definately hated it. They should've actually hired someone outside the organization or kept Leslie Frazier but of course Polian wants someone that is a yes man so that's not going to happen.

Wouldn't surprise me if on some level that's the way with Larry Bird although surprisingly he doesn't seem nearly as much of an a-hole as Polian.

Of course Bird's expectations are exceedingly low I think he wants the team to have mediocrity before considering being elite.

I agree if you win that's all that matters however when you lose games you should win it does become a problem.

There are a lot of games the Pacers looked like they had but blew it at the end(the Spurs game the other day is an example).

If they would get rid of O'Brien let it be at the end of the season there should be someone in place to at least elevate this team into something like a 7th seed.

spazzxb
01-16-2011, 02:01 AM
Please some of us never thought he should've been hired I definately hated it. They should've actually hired someone outside the organization or kept Leslie Frazier but of course Polian wants someone that is a yes man so that's not going to happen.

Wouldn't surprise me if on some level that's the way with Larry Bird although surprisingly he doesn't seem nearly as much of an a-hole as Polian.

Of course Bird's expectations are exceedingly low I think he wants the team to have mediocrity before considering being elite.

I agree if you win that's all that matters however when you lose games you should win it does become a problem.

There are a lot of games the Pacers looked like they had but blew it at the end(the Spurs game the other day is an example).

If they would get rid of O'Brien let it be at the end of the season there should be someone in place to at least elevate this team into something like a 7th seed.

nothing to be proud of but,

Eastern Conference
EASTERN W L PCT GB EAST ATL CEN SE WEST NW PAC SW
1 Boston 30 9 .769 - 23-5 9-1 7-3 7-1 7-4 4-1 1-0 2-3
2 Miami 30 12 .714 1 19-5 7-2 6-2 6-1 11-7 3-2 6-1 2-4
3 Chicago 27 13 .675 3 16-8 5-6 8-0 3-2 11-5 4-2 4-2 3-1
4 Orlando 26 14 .650 4 17-6 5-2 7-1 5-3 9-8 2-5 3-0 4-3
5 Atlanta 26 15 .634 5 18-8 6-4 7-2 5-2 8-7 3-2 3-1 2-4
6 New York 22 17 .564 8 12-9 4-3 4-2 4-4 10-8 4-4 4-3 2-1
7 Indiana 16 21 .432 13 10-13 3-4 3-4 4-5 6-8 1-2 3-2 2-4
8 Philadelphia 16 23 .410 14 11-16 3-4 5-6 3-6 5-7 2-1 2-3 1-3

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/type/vs-division/group/2