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hoops_guy
01-14-2011, 10:13 PM
Let me get something out of the way before I get started; Mike Dunleavy is one of my favorite players. I am not critical of him at all. He's just not a good fit for Danny. I also want to say this; I may love Paul George, but I am not going to be biased when it comes to other players like others are with Hansbrough when Josh was starting.

The main reason for my proposal is that Paul George can create for himself and others. Dunleavy and Rush don't have that ability. He needs a more solid role as he's been pretty good in pretty limited minutes. He's showing some crazy abilities, and his shot selection is better than Mike's. Rush's team defense isn't very good not to mention that he's kind of fallen off of a cliff since the beginning of the season when he was showing off his handles and driving ability.

We also need transition buckets. Paul George and Tyler Hansbrough will get those. Paul George is also the future. Even though he's going to give us some headaches, he is going to be here while Mike most likely is not. In Rush's three years, he's defined his role (sixth man). George has potential and not only will he get better with more playing time, but he's also already better than our other options.

BlueNGold
01-14-2011, 10:20 PM
I'm fine either way. I consider this the last year George is not a perennial starter.

Trophy
01-14-2011, 10:24 PM
I'd still like for Brandon and Paul to share minutes.

I really hope we're not going to see an inconsistent Brandon.

He should start every game. He makes a better starter than backup.

As for Paul, he should continue to get consistent rotation minutes and come off the bench.

joew8302
01-14-2011, 10:24 PM
I think the way this team is George is great off the bench. Coming in as a sub allows Paul to play against other teams backups, and also allows him to see the game before he jumps right in. Both of these factors could really benefit Paul.

joew8302
01-14-2011, 10:25 PM
Add to the fact Dunleavy is usually a great game starter, so starting Dun and bringing Paul off the Bench makes the most sense to me.

cdash
01-14-2011, 10:26 PM
I don't really think he should start, but I want to see him log 20+ minutes for the rest of the season. He's learning fast and he is oozing with talent. We picked him in the top 10, let's play the kid.

jeffg-body
01-14-2011, 10:57 PM
I think that Brandon should start and give him about half of the game timewise, then let Paul and Mike get minutes on how they are playing.

smj887
01-14-2011, 11:09 PM
Even split at the SG and PF between Rush/George and Tyler/Josh, lion's share of the minutes at the other 3 positions to DC/Granger/Hibbert with Price/Dunleavy/Foster getting the backup minutes. Let the other cards fall where they may.

Eleazar
01-14-2011, 11:41 PM
I think the way this team is George is great off the bench. Coming in as a sub allows Paul to play against other teams backups, and also allows him to see the game before he jumps right in. Both of these factors could really benefit Paul.

I agree with this, in most cases it isn't the best idea to throw a rookie straight into the starting line-up. It is typically munch better to start them off against back-ups, then move them up once they have proven themselves over a month or two. A few games is too soon to start thinking otherwise.

OakMoses
01-14-2011, 11:57 PM
The main reason for my proposal is that Paul George can create for himself and others.

When has George shown the ability to do either of these things?

joew8302
01-15-2011, 12:38 AM
When has George shown the ability to do either of these things?

You see that move he made against Chicago tonight?

pacer4ever
01-15-2011, 12:40 AM
When has George shown the ability to do either of these things?

You must not watch him too much. Thats what he is best at that and shooting

xBulletproof
01-15-2011, 12:46 AM
I think you guys are getting ahead of yourselves thinking George is ready to create shots for himself or others yet. He's averaging less than 1 assist per game.

Will he be capable of it at some point? I'm pretty sure yes, but now? Don't see it. If he starts it's for his ability to shoot and play defense.

pacer4ever
01-15-2011, 12:58 AM
I think you guys are getting ahead of yourselves thinking George is ready to create shots for himself or others yet. He's averaging less than 1 assist per game.

Will he be capable of it at some point? I'm pretty sure yes, but now? Don't see it. If he starts it's for his ability to shoot and play defense.

assits arent what it is about it is about it is about breaking down the defense. DC only ave's 5 which isnt good for a pg. But he is amazing at breaking down his man and creating for others which leads to open shots . I agree he might not have enoght NBA PT to read nba defenses right now but that will come. But I fell there is no reason why he cant get to the rim more than he does right now he is very good at it. He just needs to drive more in my option.

OakMoses
01-15-2011, 01:20 AM
You see that move he made against Chicago tonight?

Didn't watch tonight's game yet, I've got it DVR'd. When does he make the move?

Naptown_Seth
01-15-2011, 01:26 AM
George is raw as heck and often makes mistakes, but like Shawne Williams before him he also shows flashes of brilliant wing play both in driving to the rim and an outside touch. Unlike Shawne he's also on his way to developing into a strong defender.



I assume joew means the great fake and baseline drive where he didn't get the dunk to go but drew a foul (IIRC). Those are the types of moves I mean, that's where it's clear that he can play well at the NBA level, he just needs to refine his bag of tricks, add or adjust some moves for different situations, and just develop the general feel for game flow.

I have no problem with him starting, even over Rush (which is what the choice should be, not Dun) but solid minutes off the bench makes the most sense for normal development.

Sookie
01-15-2011, 01:28 AM
George is raw as heck and often makes mistakes, but like Shawne Williams before him he also shows flashes of brilliant wing play both in driving to the rim and an outside touch. Unlike Shawne he's also on his way to developing into a strong defender.



I assume joew means the great fake and baseline drive where he didn't get the dunk to go but drew a foul (IIRC). Those are the types of moves I mean, that's where it's clear that he can play well at the NBA level, he just needs to refine his bag of tricks, add or adjust some moves for different situations, and just develop the general feel for game flow.

I have no problem with him starting, even over Rush (which is what the choice should be, not Dun) but solid minutes off the bench makes the most sense for normal development.

And he seems like he's got a good head on his shoulders and a good work ethic..which makes it far more likely that he reaches his potential.

xBulletproof
01-15-2011, 01:28 AM
I assume joew means the great fake and baseline drive where he didn't get the dunk to go but drew a foul (IIRC).

I believe there was a move at the top of the key. To put it in perspective I believe it was on Ashton Kutcher (Kyle Korver) at the end of the 2nd qtr. I missed it as I turned my head to say something to the g/f, but in the game thread everyone pooped themselves.

And if I recall correctly he didn't get a foul on that dunk attempt, we got an offensive rebound.

pacer4ever
01-15-2011, 01:35 AM
I believe there was a move at the top of the key. To put it in perspective I believe it was on Ashton Kutcher (Kyle Korver) at the end of the 2nd qtr. I missed it as I turned my head to say something to the g/f, but in the game thread everyone pooped themselves.

And if I recall correctly he didn't get a foul on that dunk attempt, we got an offensive rebound.

He did that move a couple times and missed a few good looks. Thats what pisses me off about Paul he did the same thing in collge. He has a guy like Korver on him and he breaks him down off the dribble then pulls up for a mid-range shot. I wish he would just take it strong to the hoop a lot more often. Instead of settling for so many jumpers.

odeez
01-15-2011, 03:40 AM
I am certainly for him getting more time on the floor! He is going to make mistakes that is for sure. But that is how he will get better. We need a trade to shake things up on the wing. He could get more time then. If will one of them for a another post player.

joew8302
01-15-2011, 04:06 AM
Didn't watch tonight's game yet, I've got it DVR'd. When does he make the move?

Second half. Drives on the defender towards the middle and pulls up. Beautiful move.

SMosley21
01-15-2011, 11:07 AM
He did that move a couple times and missed a few good looks. Thats what pisses me off about Paul he did the same thing in collge. He has a guy like Korver on him and he breaks him down off the dribble then pulls up for a mid-range shot. I wish he would just take it strong to the hoop a lot more often. Instead of settling for so many jumpers.

You pretty much just described Danny Granger's "playmaking". :confused:

pacer4ever
01-15-2011, 12:50 PM
You pretty much just described Danny Granger's "playmaking". :confused:

But Danny can't dribble and Paul can. I just want a coach that preaches attack the rack every chance you get. Paul will get it and understand he is very hard to stop attck the but i hope that is sooner rather than later.

gummy
01-15-2011, 03:23 PM
I disagree that Rush has fallen off a cliff - he's been consistently more aggressive (shoots more) and is driving to the basket more this season. I don't have time to look up the stats though - perhaps someone else can pull 'em. I also think Rush's team defense is just fine - certainly better than last year by a fair amount, so I am puzzled by the comment that his team D is not very good.

Anyway, I think Rush and George have some chemistry together so I might prefer that PG be Danny's primary backup or that he be Brandon's primary backup (moving Dun down in the rotation - like that is going to happen). I don't think George is ready to start yet but will likely be our SG starter one day.

More than anything what we need is for Danny and Hibbert to start hitting their damn shots. SG is not where our problem is right now, whether it's Brandon, Mike, or Paul we're talking about.

xIndyFan
01-15-2011, 03:48 PM
jmo, but paul should not start. keep him in the swing rotation. when he plays well, give him minutes. when he plays poorly, less minutes. he still seems to be more talent than skill.

BlueNGold
01-15-2011, 04:15 PM
George is not going to start with Mike Dunleavy under contract and Brandon Rush available. Yes, Paul is going to be better if he's not already better than both of them.

But it doesn't matter. He will not start until next year at the earliest.

xIndyFan
01-15-2011, 04:22 PM
George is not going to start with Mike Dunleavy under contract and Brandon Rush available. Yes, Paul is going to be better if he's not already better than both of them.

But it doesn't matter. He will not start until next year at the earliest.

probably not, but he is not ready to start yet, n'est pas?

King Phoenix
01-15-2011, 07:43 PM
Totally agree with you on this!

I wonder if bird ever told granger, "hey you see that rook over there? He's ur replacement." lol

BringJackBack
01-15-2011, 09:02 PM
I'd probably start Paul and give him 25-28 minutes a game or so. More if he's playing well. He's making scoring easy and we need more of that (Mostly hitting open shots).

Brandon is in a slump and Dunleavy is best getting his off the bench.