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Trophy
01-14-2011, 04:25 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors

ESPN.com
NBA Rumors

According to Randy Youngman of the Orange County Register, Rob McAllister of KFBK/1530 in Sacramento reported that "Sacramento Kings owners Joe and Gavin Maloof met recently with Ducks owner Henry Samueli to discuss his proposal to bring the NBA franchise to Anaheim."

"McAllister of KFBK/1530 also reported that Samueli offered the Maloofs a $100 million loan as part of the proposal, to help cover the substantial cost of relocation and territorial rights fees, as well as help the Kings owners manage their debt," he wrote.

When asked for comment on the report by the paper, Michael Schulman, Ducks CEO and chairman of the Samueli-owned Anaheim Arena Management company, declined.

There have been plenty of rumblings the Kings may relocate -- especially if a new stadium for the team fails to be built in Sacramento, something that despite continual efforts from mayor Kevin Johnson, has yet to come to fruition.

The Kings could be a co-tenant of the Ducks in the Honda Center, so there wouldn't be a new stadium hurdle to leap.

Anaheim has also been listed as a potential market for the Hornets, should they relocate at some point in the near future.

90'sNBARocked
01-14-2011, 04:27 PM
That would seem redundant

Lakers , Clippers, and now Kings all in the Metro LA area

Trader Joe
01-14-2011, 04:28 PM
Will they be called the California Kings of Anaheim from Sacramento?

Trophy
01-14-2011, 04:31 PM
Having 4 teams in California is too much.

The Honda Center seems nice and all, but is Anaheim a big enough market for an NBA team?

When are the Warriors moving to San Francisco? That seems to be a rumor for a while now.

Trader Joe
01-14-2011, 04:41 PM
The Warriors moving to San Francisco would be like the Knicks moving to Brooklyn...what's the point?

joew8302
01-14-2011, 04:45 PM
The Warriors moving to San Francisco would be like the Knicks moving to Brooklyn...what's the point?

A new arena with more luxury boxes across from ATT Park in an area trying to be revitalized.

pacer4ever
01-14-2011, 04:49 PM
Having 4 teams in California is too much.

The Honda Center seems nice and all, but is Anaheim a big enough market for an NBA team?

When are the Warriors moving to San Francisco? That seems to be a rumor for a while now.

They have a baseball team which requires a bigger market. Thats why indy doesnt have a baseball team to small of market

Trophy
01-14-2011, 04:55 PM
I thought the Honda Center was newer, but it's over 20 years old.

I've never been to it or Anaheim, but it still looks nice today.

http://www.davestravelcorner.com/articles/los-angeles/Stadiums/Honda-Center-Building.JPG

ilive4sports
01-14-2011, 05:14 PM
I still don't think the Maloofs are going to move the Kings anywhere but Las Vegas. Thats where they really want them. I think they will use this as leverage for a new arena which they need, badly...

Kstat
01-14-2011, 05:27 PM
Having 4 teams in California is too much.
California is %20 of the US population. How is that too much?

Trophy
01-14-2011, 05:29 PM
California is %20 of the US population. How is that too much?

I figured the Kings were gonna leave California for Las Vegas.

I'm just saying 4 teams in one state is a lot.

Roaming Gnome
01-14-2011, 05:30 PM
My heart goes out to the Sacramento fans and our friends at the Kingsfans.com forum for having to deal with another rumor of their team leaving town.

rexnom
01-14-2011, 05:30 PM
California is %20 of the US population. How is that too much?
But we're not assigning teams based on population, right? Then we'd have a wider dispersal.

Roaming Gnome
01-14-2011, 05:36 PM
I figured the Kings were gonna leave California for Las Vegas.

I'm just saying 4 teams in one state is a lot.

Las Vegas is still a non starter until the Sports books & the NBA can compromise on the issue betting on NBA games. Anywho, last I checked... The Amstutz/Harrah's arena proposal is still dead due to Las Vegas struggling to recover from the issues of the economy hitting Vegas pretty hard.

xBulletproof
01-14-2011, 05:39 PM
California is %20 of the US population. How is that too much?

Almost need to cut that in half.

Trophy
01-14-2011, 05:41 PM
Las Vegas is still a non starter until the Sports books & the NBA can compromise on the issue betting on NBA games. Anywho, last I checked... The Amstutz/Harrah's arena proposal is still dead due to Las Vegas struggling to recover from the issues of the economy hitting Vegas pretty hard.

I was thinking maybe temporarily move the Kings into the Thomas & Mack Center where the 07 All-Star game was and where UNLV plays until a potential agreement for a new arena to be built on the Vegas strip is made.

Kstat
01-14-2011, 05:45 PM
I figured the Kings were gonna leave California for Las Vegas.

I'm just saying 4 teams in one state is a lot.

California has 4 baseball teams and 3 NFL teams. There are more major league cities in California than anywhere else.

Trophy
01-14-2011, 05:50 PM
Aren't the Hornets eligible to break their lease agreement for their arena soon?

odeez
01-14-2011, 05:57 PM
Yeah, Sactown deserves to keep the team, they have great & loyal fans up there. That being said they really need a new place to play.

Scot Pollard
01-14-2011, 06:03 PM
you always have to feel sorry for the fans

no support from the city and a low attendance isnt good especially from the city

Kstat
01-14-2011, 06:09 PM
If the Kings can't get support for a new arena with Kevin freaking Johnson as their mayor, it's just never going to happen for them.

odeez
01-14-2011, 06:19 PM
If the Kings can't get support for a new arena with Kevin freaking Johnson as their mayor, it's just never going to happen for them.

No doubt, sad but true!

CableKC
01-14-2011, 06:32 PM
California is %20 of the US population. How is that too much?
Yeah...but can the Metropolitan LA/Anaheim area have enough interest in NBA Basketball to sustain 3 NBA Teams?

The vast majority are Laker fans, what's left are Clipper fans and then you add in the Kings? With the rising popularity of Blake Griffin....I don't see enough fan interest to warrant the Kings having enough popularity to justify a move there.

Kstat
01-14-2011, 06:52 PM
I have no problem with 4 or even 5 teams in California.Three in LA would be too much, though.

San Diego or San Francisco would be better locales.

cdash
01-14-2011, 07:00 PM
I have no problem with 4 or even 5 teams in California.Three in LA would be too much, though.

San Diego or San Francisco would be better locales.

San Diego is a pretty apathetic sports city, and it's warm enough in the winter there where they have better things to do--outdoors. And San Francisco is Warriors turf. Not sure the Bay Area could support two franchises.

Kstat
01-14-2011, 07:07 PM
the bay area is big enough to support 2 NFL and MLB franchises. It's more than big enough to support 2 NBA teams.

The Clippers failed in San Diego because they were the Clippers. It's very much a dedicated city to both the Chargers and Padres. Warm weather doesn't automatically mean it's a bad sports town.

A dark horse candidate might be San Jose, where there's only the Sharks to compete with.

King Tuts Tomb
01-14-2011, 07:54 PM
From Wikipedia: "California's economy is the largest of any state in the US, and is the eighth largest economy in the world." That's bigger than Russia, Canada, Spain and India. I think they can support 4 NBA teams.

Pingu
01-14-2011, 08:07 PM
San Diego doesn't have an arena that's fit for an NBA team.

Eleazar
01-14-2011, 08:19 PM
The Clippers failed in San Diego because they were the Clippers. It's very much a dedicated city to both the Chargers and Padres. Warm weather doesn't automatically mean it's a bad sports town.


They may support the Padres (I really don't know, I don't pay attention to baseball), but there has been talk within the past few years of the Chargers leaving for LA. I know it would make sense that the Chargers would want to leave for LA because it is a bigger market, but if they were really doing that well and had that good of support there wouldn't be any speculation of them moving to LA.

Eleazar
01-14-2011, 08:21 PM
A new arena with more luxury boxes across from ATT Park in an area trying to be revitalized.

What he meant was that there would be no real difference. Chances are they would still be within a mile or two of their old arena, and they might as well be in the same city.

Trophy
02-21-2011, 12:44 PM
Here's a recent update I found on NBA Rumors.

It's not looking too good for the Kings future in Sacramento if they're seriously considering leaving.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/allstar2011/news/story?id=6140807


The Sacramento Kings are seriously considering the possibility of applying to the NBA by the league's March 1 deadline for relocation to Anaheim for next season, according to sources with knowledge of the team's thinking.

The Kings haven't made a final decision, but sources said team officials have been in Orange County, Calif., this month to gather more first-hand data on the feasibility and potential obstacles involved in trying to move to Anaheim's Honda Center at season's end after a 26-season run in Sacramento and numerous failed attempts to secure the financing needed for the construction of a new modern arena.

NBA commissioner David Stern publicly confirmed for the first time Saturday night at his annual All-Star Weekend news conference that the Kings have had discussions with Anaheim officials about a possible move.

In a subsequent phone interview with ESPN.com, Kings co-owner Joe Maloof declined to discuss specifics but said: "We have to look at all of our options at this point. But we also want to concentrate on our team right now. Any of the arena stuff, we'll talk about that later."

Maloof also reiterated comments he's made to the Sacramento Bee newspaper about the Kings being approached by "many cities" besides Anaheim.

But sources close to the situation say, with no NBA-ready arena for the Kings to move into in the Maloofs' home base of Las Vegas, that Anaheim holds the greatest appeal to the Kings.

The Kings have been trying for nearly a decade to replace outdated Arco Arena (soon to be renamed Power Balance Pavilion) with a new revenue-generating building that would ensure they stay in a market that was once known as the home of one of the NBA's most fervent fan bases. That was before Sacramento's slide down the Western Conference standings.

The Kings are 13-40 this season and it will be their fifth straight season out of the playoffs after a run that took them to the brink of the NBA Finals in an unforgettable seven-game series with the Los Angeles Lakers in 2002.

But Stern, at his news conference, confirmed the league no longer has an active role in trying to keep the team in Sacramento after originally backing the efforts of Sacramento mayor Kevin Johnson -- the former star guard with the Phoenix Suns -- to find a solution to the arena issue.

"All I'll say is that we and they have tried very hard over the years to see whether a new building could be built, and with the collapse of the last attempt -- which took a few years, and several million dollars, on behalf of the league -- I said we are not going to spend any more time on that," Stern said. "That is for the Maloofs and the people of Sacramento.

"I don't know where that is right now. I mean, I do know -- I talk to Mayor Johnson from time to time in relation to the various projects he's engaged. But I'm not driving it and we'll see how it goes."

Among the issues that could dissuade the Kings from making the relocation request before next season's deadline in 10 days are the millions still owed by the Maloofs to the city of Sacramento in loans and the behind-the-scenes resistance they could potentially receive from the Lakers and Los Angeles Clippers.

The Kings would likely need favorable loan and lease terms in Anaheim to mitigate those financial obligations and the franchise might still face opposition from the Lakers and Clippers. Although those teams would only have one vote each -- and despite the fact franchise relocations in the NBA only require a 15-14 majority vote for approval from the league's other 29 teams -- it's certainly conceivable the Staples Center co-tenants would band together to try to rally support from other teams to oppose to a third NBA franchise moving into a building that sits roughly 30 miles away.

Officials at the Honda Center, according to the Bee, declined comment Friday when asked if they are in negotiations with the Kings.

The NBA's Board of Governors has the right to attach a relocation fee to any franchise move it approves, but such fees are distributed evenly among the league's other teams and wouldn't be paid directly to the Lakers and Clippers in the event of the Kings moving to Anaheim.

One league source, furthermore, reiterated that such relocation fees are "discretionary."

March 1, meanwhile, is not only the NBA's deadline for relocation applications for the 2011-12 season but also the day that Arco Arena's name officially changes to Power Balance Pavilion.

Yet it's believed that the naming-rights deal with Anaheim-based Power Balance is one of the least lucrative in league history because of the age of the building -- which opened in 1988 -- and the franchise's uncertain status in town.

The Kings and the Atlanta Hawks have each moved three times, more than any other NBA franchise. After originating as the Rochester Royals and moving to Cincinnati, the franchise became the Kansas City-Omaha Kings and then the Kansas City Kings before relocating to Sacramento.

Sacramento radio station KFBK (1530 AM) reported in January that Henry Samueli, owner of the NHL's Anaheim Ducks, has offered to loan $100 million to Joe and Gavin Maloof to pay off the requisite debts and fees to move the Kings into the Samueli-owned Honda Center.

idioteque
02-21-2011, 12:47 PM
Nothing against any Kings fans, but they should probably just contract them. And do the same to New Orleans, Memphis, and Charlotte while you're at it.

Day-V
02-21-2011, 12:50 PM
I thought the Honda Center was newer, but it's over 20 years old.

I've never been to it or Anaheim, but it still looks nice today.

http://www.davestravelcorner.com/articles/los-angeles/Stadiums/Honda-Center-Building.JPG

They filmed Mighty Ducks 2 there, so you know it's an epic arena.

Eleazar
02-21-2011, 01:19 PM
Nothing against any Kings fans, but they should probably just contract them. And do the same to New Orleans, Memphis, and Charlotte while you're at it.

Honestly I never understood why Charlotte received another team, and so soon after the Hornets moved. If you are going to create a new team you need to do it in a city that hasn't lost a team within the past 2 decades.

Day-V
02-21-2011, 01:21 PM
Honestly I never understood why Charlotte received another team, and so soon after the Hornets moved. If you are going to create a new team you need to do it in a city that hasn't lost a team within the past 2 decades.

Generally I'd agree, but I'd give a team back to Seattle in a heartbeat.

DocHolliday
02-21-2011, 02:02 PM
Generally I'd agree, but I'd give a team back to Seattle in a heartbeat.

That's certainly the exception, but I agree with the part about Charlotte. So much hand-wringing about how it was only a college basketball area; everyone was saying they couldn't support an NBA team. Yet they had no problem allowing another team there.

San Diego can barely support the teams it has--why would an NBA team be good for them? Further, the Chargers and Padres are different from an NBA team because both teams play outdoors.

I can't imagine it would hurt the product to contract all of the fringe/recently relocated teams, minus those in Florida--and unfortunately OKC gets an exception. Charlotte, New Orleans, Memphis, Minnesota, Sacramento.

huber14
02-21-2011, 02:18 PM
Why do people think Indiana is going to get an exception? I know Indiana is a big basketball state but the fans don't show up anymore just like in Charlotte, New Orleans, Memphis, Minnesota, Sacramento. The Pacers are 2nd to last in total home attendance.

ilive4sports
02-21-2011, 02:35 PM
Nothing against any Kings fans, but they should probably just contract them. And do the same to New Orleans, Memphis, and Charlotte while you're at it.

Because they average 100 less fans a game than the Pacers do?

I don't think they will be leaving. The Maloofs don't really want to leave. They are just putting pressure on the city to get a new arena. And its working. Sacramento is closer to getting a new arena than ever before actually. Sacramento loves this team. The atmosphere at the game I went to was great. It would be a shame to see them leave. The economy here is pretty bad and I think that is really affecting ticket sales. Everyone here talks Kings basketball. Right now they are all pissed at Craig Sager for his shot at Cousins after the rookie-sophomore game.

I don't think the Maloofs will move them this year with all the progress going on with a new arena here. It will be decided on soon and if it falls through, then I can see them leaving, but I don't think the city will let it fall through.

Trophy
02-21-2011, 02:37 PM
Why do people think Indiana is going to get an exception? I know Indiana is a big basketball state but the fans don't show up anymore just like in Charlotte, New Orleans, Memphis, Minnesota, Sacramento. The Pacers are 2nd to last in total home attendance.

We're actually a team that when good, we get higher attendance.

Aside from basketball itself, we play in probably the nicest arena that was made for this team.

It sounds like people are interested and will be coming back once we're a relevant team. We still have to prove it by getting into the playoffs.

We're like the 76ers. Lower attendance when we suck.

The only 2 teams I see in danger of leaving are the Kings and Hornets.

Day-V
02-21-2011, 02:50 PM
I'm not smart enough to answer this, so I'll ask this so those that are can provide an answer:

Does us having one of the nicest arenas in the league mean anything in terms of us keeping the team? To me, it just seems like teams that are in talks of being contracted are either failed expansion teams or teams with ****ty arenas.

Probably way off base, but had to ask.

Merz
02-21-2011, 02:52 PM
I don't think San Diego-ans (San Diegites? San Diegans?) really care if there is a basketball team here or not...most the people around here are Laker fans or fans of the team of their original hometown...or they just don't care.

xBulletproof
02-21-2011, 02:56 PM
I'm not smart enough to answer this, so I'll ask this so those that are can provide an answer:

Does us having one of the nicest arenas in the league mean anything in terms of us keeping the team? To me, it just seems like teams that are in talks of being contracted are either failed expansion teams or teams with ****ty arenas.

Probably way off base, but had to ask.

I can't be certain of the answer myself, as I don't know but I think it has a lot to do with it.

Crappy arena's = older arena's. Which also means more $$$$ for upkeep on the old place. Meaning the team loses more money.

That's the connection I'd make. I could just be off too.

Scot Pollard
02-21-2011, 02:56 PM
I'm not smart enough to answer this, so I'll ask this so those that are can provide an answer:

Does us having one of the nicest arenas in the league mean anything in terms of us keeping the team? To me, it just seems like teams that are in talks of being contracted are either failed expansion teams or teams with ****ty arenas.

Probably way off base, but had to ask.

we're really not in bad shape to consider that

yes the attendance has been low in the past couple of seasons but we have a lot of things some of the teams people brought up

looking at the kings they have failed on all of these plans to build a new arena

for this team to get its attendance back up we must make the playoffs and continue upward from there

this team is really on the right track for that and the interest in this team has gone up a lot

a team like the grizzlies have been really good this season but no one seems to care there and even when they were in the playoffs a few years back they still didnt have a high attendance like we did

Scot Pollard
02-21-2011, 02:58 PM
Because they average 100 less fans a game than the Pacers do?

I don't think they will be leaving. The Maloofs don't really want to leave. They are just putting pressure on the city to get a new arena. And its working. Sacramento is closer to getting a new arena than ever before actually. Sacramento loves this team. The atmosphere at the game I went to was great. It would be a shame to see them leave. The economy here is pretty bad and I think that is really affecting ticket sales. Everyone here talks Kings basketball. Right now they are all pissed at Craig Sager for his shot at Cousins after the rookie-sophomore game.

I don't think the Maloofs will move them this year with all the progress going on with a new arena here. It will be decided on soon and if it falls through, then I can see them leaving, but I don't think the city will let it fall through.

glad we actually have a resource from sacramento

thank you for the input

have you been to the arco arena?

ilive4sports
02-21-2011, 03:06 PM
We're actually a team that when good, we get higher attendance.

Aside from basketball itself, we play in probably the nicest arena that was made for this team.

It sounds like people are interested and will be coming back once we're a relevant team. We still have to prove it by getting into the playoffs.

We're like the 76ers. Lower attendance when we suck.

The only 2 teams I see in danger of leaving are the Kings and Hornets.

And how are the Kings any different than the Pacers in that regard? Back in the early 2000's when the Kings were a great team they were selling out all the time. Arco was one of the toughest places to play because of how loud it got. Winning does wonders for any team, not just the Pacers. People don't want to spend money to see their team lose.

And I have been to Arco, it is very, very old. And its pretty small. I didn't realize that it was the smallest arena in the NBA until I went there. They definitely need a new arena. Hopefully Cake will write a new song about the new arena then too!

Scot Pollard
02-21-2011, 03:16 PM
And how are the Kings any different than the Pacers in that regard? Back in the early 2000's when the Kings were a great team they were selling out all the time. Arco was one of the toughest places to play because of how loud it got. Winning does wonders for any team, not just the Pacers. People don't want to spend money to see their team lose.

And I have been to Arco, it is very, very old. And its pretty small. I didn't realize that it was the smallest arena in the NBA until I went there. They definitely need a new arena. Hopefully Cake will write a new song about the new arena then too!

you're 100% right with that statement

people want to come out to see its team when they are having success

since both the pacers and kings have both last made the playoffs in 2006, they have fallen back as far as fan interest

the pacers are a better team than the kings and i dont know what they think of the kings over in sac but here theres a huge buzz about the pacers for the first time in years

people would prefer however to go see its team winning in a new and pretty building so i think the pacers have the edge there

i have another question for you, is there any kind of buzz about the team at all?

GizzyStardust
02-21-2011, 03:23 PM
I live 20 miles from the Honda Center. Anaheim and the surrounding Orange County area is definitely big enough to support an NBA franchise. The Angels and Ducks thrive in that town and the arena is in good shape. I think it would be a smart move.

ilive4sports
02-21-2011, 04:24 PM
you're 100% right with that statement

people want to come out to see its team when they are having success

since both the pacers and kings have both last made the playoffs in 2006, they have fallen back as far as fan interest

the pacers are a better team than the kings and i dont know what they think of the kings over in sac but here theres a huge buzz about the pacers for the first time in years

people would prefer however to go see its team winning in a new and pretty building so i think the pacers have the edge there

i have another question for you, is there any kind of buzz about the team at all?


Unfortunately most of the buzz is about them possibly moving. But when Cousins was behaving and playing well, people were talking about him quite a bit. They love Tyreke too.