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Pacerized
01-09-2011, 10:52 AM
I think this is a good move on Hibbert's part. It can only help him. He's proven that he can be dominant but seems to have lost his edge.


http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/2011/01/09/hibbert-seeking-help/

ATLANTA – Roy Hibbert said a few weeks ago that he was contemplating talking to somebody to help him get through the most trying time of his young NBA career.

Hibbert is about to take the next step with that.

He said after Saturday’s game that he plans to meet with a sports psychologist when the team returns from its current two-game road trip, which wraps up Tuesday in Philadelphia.

“Going to talk to somebody is not perceived as a bad thing anymore,” Hibbert said. “Other players have done it and the way things have gone it has taken a toll on me.”

You can’t blame the big fella for wanting to get help. He’s beat up mentally. His slump has lasted for almost six weeks. He got called for two traveling violations while attempting to make a move to the basket against the Hawks.

Hibbert, the anchor in the middle for the Pacers, is shooting 34 percent (54-of-158) from the field in the past 13 games.

His last dominating performance was when he had 24 points, 12 rebounds and six assist against Pau Gasol and the Los Angeles.

That was back in late November.

The Pacers, who are six games under .500, need Hibbert to produce if they expect to turnaround their season.

“That’s obviously a major, major problem for us because he’s our low-post threat,” O’Brien said. “In the NBA if you’re not getting something down in the low post then you have to manufacture ways to score.”

Pacerized
01-09-2011, 10:58 AM
The second article elaborates just a little more.


http://www.indystar.com/article/20110109/SPORTS04/101090367/1062/SPORTS04/Pacers-Hibbert-seeking-help-his-struggles
ATLANTA -- Indiana Pacers center Roy Hibbert's on-court problems have gotten to the point where he plans to try to get help.

Hibbert, who has struggled for more than a month, said he plans to meet with a sports psychologist when the team returns to Indianapolis after its two-game trip, which ends Tuesday at Philadelphia.

"Going to talk to somebody is not perceived as a bad thing anymore," Hibbert said. "Other players have done it, and the way things have gone, it has taken a toll on me."

Hibbert, whose name was once on the tip of everybody's tongue during discussions about the league's Most Improved Player award, is in a slump that has lasted for almost six weeks.

Hibbert, the anchor in the middle for the Pacers, is shooting 34 percent (54-of-158) from the field in the past 13 games. His last dominating performance was when he had 24 points, 12 rebounds and six assist against Pau Gasol and the Lakers.

That was at the end of November.

Is it a mental thing for Hibbert?

"It is mental," he said. "I need to keep working to get through this."

The Pacers aren't going away from Hibbert in the post, however.

They continue to make sure he gets his touches. Hibbert has attempted at least 10 shots in eight games during the most trying time of his career.

The longer Hibbert struggles, though, the longer the team will struggle. The Pacers, already primarily a jump shooting team, will remain easier to defend because of the lack of scoring down low.

"That's obviously a major, major problem for us because he's our low-post threat," coach Jim O'Brien said. ". . . If you're not getting something down in the low post, then you have to manufacture ways to score."

One big on the inactive list
O'Brien acknowledged Saturday that he'll place one of the Pacers' big men -- Jeff Foster, Josh McRoberts, Solomon Jones or Tyler Hansbrough -- on the inactive list every game. McRoberts was inactive against the Hawks.

"We're solid with the wings. I'm going to put at least one big guy on the inactive list on any given game," O'Brien said. "Either Lance (Stephenson) or A.J. (Price) will be active so we can have three point guards."

Price was active Saturday.

Lineup switch
O'Brien isn't the only coach who likes to play matchups. Hawks coach Larry Drew went to a small lineup in which Josh Smith played power forward and Al Horford slid to center with Mo Evans at small forward.

The Hawks had been starting Smith, Horford and Jason Collins at center. That small lineup has played a part in the Hawks winning eight straight games over the Pacers.

"It doesn't surprise me because it's been very effective because Roy has a real difficult time with Horford," O'Brien said. "That turns into a matchup in their favor."

ksuttonjr76
01-09-2011, 10:59 AM
He's talking to the wrong person. He needs to talk Larry Bird about getting a new coach.

Pacerized
01-09-2011, 11:05 AM
He's talking to the wrong person. He needs to talk Larry Bird about getting a new coach.

I'm sure some of the negative feedback he gets from JOB in his better performances have contributed to whatever his problem is. When Roy would have a great game JOB would pick it apart. He probably feels like he can't do anything right in JOB's eyes.

ksuttonjr76
01-09-2011, 11:22 AM
I'm sure some of the negative feedback he gets from JOB in his better performances have contributed to whatever his problem is. When Roy would have a great game JOB would pick it apart. He probably feels like he can't do anything right in JOB's eyes.

I agree. What's the point of busting your butt to be productive when your coach/supervisor STILL finds fault in what you do? I know Hibbert is a grown man, but he doesn't seem like the type of player where you have to be "tough" with him.

Now that I'm thinking about it...how often DOES JOB give praise/encourgement in the media for his players? My generally "vibe" from JOB's comments is "The other teams are better than us, and we suck and it's not my fault". The reality of this team is, IMHO, "We're a great young team trying to come together, and we'll make the playoffs for first time this season".

Real talk...I REALLY don't believe that JOB himself believes that this team can make the playoffs.

rexnom
01-09-2011, 11:32 AM
Yes, let's pop psychology someone who might have a real problem.

Shade
01-09-2011, 11:51 AM
It should be clear now that the improvements Roy made in the offseason were due to his hard work and had nothing to do with Jim. In fact, most of the players seem to be regressing under Jim's leadership.

rexnom
01-09-2011, 11:57 AM
It should be clear now that the improvements Roy made in the offseason were due to his hard work and had nothing to do with Jim. In fact, most of the players seem to be regressing under Jim's leadership.
I'm really not following your logic here.

Shade
01-09-2011, 12:00 PM
I'm really not following your logic here.

Roy works on his game a lot in the offseason, and is a beast early in the season. But as the season winds on, his game regresses more and more, as Jim is his only real "tutor" during the season.

Brad8888
01-09-2011, 12:08 PM
Roy works on his game a lot in the offseason, and is a beast early in the season. But as the season winds on, his game regresses more and more, as Jim is his only real "tutor" during the season.

And, as teams continue to adjust to the "new" Hibbert, O'Brien gives him "help" by reverting to more of what happened in past seasons as opposed to opening things up by going to a slower, passing based attack that would allow Roy a chance to get into better position with less coverage due to opponents needing to cover more of the floor intead of focusing on Hibbert and Granger.

It is a shame that Bill Walton only spent one week with Hibbert during the offseason. He needs him again now, IMO.

BringJackBack
01-09-2011, 01:27 PM
Three things I took from this article:

1.) Great move by Roy to decide to see a psychologist
2.) TPTB still thinks that Lance is a point guard... Thank God in my opinion. There is no way he's a productive shooting guard in his career.
3.) Once inactive big every single game.. Talk about insecurity from JOB.

graphic-er
01-09-2011, 01:37 PM
And, as teams continue to adjust to the "new" Hibbert, O'Brien gives him "help" by reverting to more of what happened in past seasons as opposed to opening things up by going to a slower, passing based attack that would allow Roy a chance to get into better position with less coverage due to opponents needing to cover more of the floor intead of focusing on Hibbert and Granger.

It is a shame that Bill Walton only spent one week with Hibbert during the offseason. He needs him again now, IMO.

Bill would certainly have something to take the edge off....:rimshot:

Maybe Granger needs to join Hibbert at the shrinks office as well.

I think one of Hibberts problems is that he doesn't eye the basket when he is starting his shooting motion. He eyes the basket towards the end of the shot.

joeyd
01-09-2011, 01:49 PM
It is a shame that Bill Walton only spent one week with Hibbert during the offseason. He needs him again now, IMO.
Cannot quote my source with the team, but I was told that Walton's visit really had very little to do with Hibbert's development during the offseason.

I've mentioned a couple of times that a sports psychologist could work wonders for Hibbert. His problems lie in the fact that he gets too down on himself and needs more self-confidence. He may have anxiety issues. He can get help for these things. They are common among athletes.

DaveP63
01-09-2011, 01:54 PM
Paging Mister Walton...Mister Bill Walton. Or Kevin McHale :cool:

Brad8888
01-09-2011, 03:47 PM
Cannot quote my source with the team, but I was told that Walton's visit really had very little to do with Hibbert's development during the offseason.

I've mentioned a couple of times that a sports psychologist could work wonders for Hibbert. His problems lie in the fact that he gets too down on himself and needs more self-confidence. He may have anxiety issues. He can get help for these things. They are common among athletes.

So, the video that showed Walton working with Hibbert, as well as the publicity surrounding it was just a PR move?

IIRC, Walton himself stated on a video that he would like to stay and work with Roy for as long as Larry wanted him to because he felt that Roy has potential and a strong work ethic and desire to improve. Apparently Larry only wanted him to stay one week.

Taterhead
01-09-2011, 04:07 PM
I love Roy's attitude. The kid is willing to try anything if he thinks it will make him better. I hope they don't give up on him just yet.

Get a coach who doesn't completely panic every time a he has a rough stretch and he'll be fine.

MyFavMartin
01-09-2011, 04:35 PM
He's done a phenomenal job getting in very good shape for the season and he's got the moves for the low post and very good passing skills. He's just got to peice it together.

The games going fast for him and he's seeing lots of variations in defenses to him. Teams have figured to be physical with him and to push him off his spot before he gets the ball.

He needs to get low and wide to use his strength to keep his position and come to the inlet pass. Then get tall once he has the ball. He's 7'3" and should keep the ball high. Keep his eyes open for the double team and for cutters. And pivot off either foot. Bring the ball up for a shot at different positions. Straight up, to the side, and a scoop shot to the far side.

Just keep playing til the game slows down for him. Continue to aggressive and be confident in his games and skills. It's tough with JOB's knocking the lack of low post offense, but take it on as a challenge... an opportunity. He's in his 3rd year and 24. He's going to grow and learn. Rome wasn't built over night. Just do the best you can and work hard every day.

McKeyFan
01-09-2011, 04:48 PM
Larry Bird and his stubborn procrastination may be destroying this franchise.

BlueNGold
01-09-2011, 05:04 PM
Here are some of Jim's brilliant motivational tactics:

“I think that Roy would say – and I certainly share this belief – I don’t think he’s having a very good season,” O’Brien said to a surprised cluster of reporters before the Pacers’ game against the Bulls at United Center. “I think that he can play at a much, much higher level right away than he’s doing right now.”


All I have to say is that: "I think that Jim should say - and I certainly do share this belief - that Jim is having a very bad season. Make that a terrible season. In fact, he had a terrible season last year too. I think that he...anyone in fact...could coach this team at a much, much higher level than he's doing right now."

BlueNGold
01-09-2011, 05:21 PM
Larry Bird and his stubborn procrastination may be destroying this franchise.

Roy showed over the summer he was very self-motivated and probably very critical of himself. Pretty amazing what he did with his body attempting to improve his mobility.

Yet, as usual, Jim opens mouth and inserts foot to the press. No, it wasn't a positive message. It was like telling your wife that she's capable of cooking better, but that the food tastes terrible.

IOW, this was not constructive criticism and the message hitting home with Roy is that he's playing poorly. That's not a message anyone needs to say...particularly to the press. Everyone, Roy included, knows it.

flox
01-09-2011, 05:39 PM
Its funny how Jim says one thing, Hibbert agrees, and yet people think that Jim's comments are hurting Hibbert.

Positive reinforcement is not always correct. It may be correct in this case, but it just as well can be incorrect in this case at well.

I don't think its safe to draw any conclusions based off of Jim. If Hibbert thinks going to a sports psychologist is the solution, thats good for him! I'm glad he's looking for help. I'm not sure a lot of other people would do that.

A positive note to take from this is that Hibbert continues to get touches in the paint. A lot of people were worried that Jim would move away from Hibbert touches- this has obviously not been the case, much to my chagrin. Feeding an ineffective Hibbert has been a large part of why we are losing.

rexnom
01-09-2011, 05:50 PM
Here are some of Jim's brilliant motivational tactics:

“I think that Roy would say – and I certainly share this belief – I don’t think he’s having a very good season,” O’Brien said to a surprised cluster of reporters before the Pacers’ game against the Bulls at United Center. “I think that he can play at a much, much higher level right away than he’s doing right now.”

But Roy isn't having a very good season! He's supposed to be our number two option and he's struggling mightily to handle the load!

And he can play at a much, much higher level! That's good! How dickish of Jim to make sure he included that in his critique of Roy. What a mother****er Jim is. Telling his second-most important player that he's capable of doing better.

BlueNGold
01-09-2011, 05:56 PM
Its funny how Jim says one thing, Hibbert agrees, and yet people think that Jim's comments are hurting Hibbert.



A guy who is naturally hard on himself like Hibbert is not going to disagree when the subject comes up. He may also be more sensitive to criticism.

JOb needs arrogant dudes to tear down IMHO. Not tear down guys who are self-motivated.

We need a new coach. One that can properly use Roy Hibbert because I don't think the problem is with Roy. I think the problem is with Jim O'Brien's strategy.

BlueNGold
01-09-2011, 05:59 PM
But Roy isn't having a very good season! He's supposed to be our number two option and he's struggling mightily to handle the load!

And he can play at a much, much higher level! That's good! How dickish of Jim to make sure he included that in his critique of Roy. What a mother****er Jim is. Telling his second-most important player that he's capable of doing better.

The fact something might be true doesn't mean you spout off to the press about it. This doesn't help Hibbert. This does NOT go over well with some people.

Personally, I think these types of statements exacerbate a bad situation brought on by Jim's inability to properly use Roy.

flox
01-09-2011, 06:01 PM
The fact something might be true doesn't mean you spout off to the press about it. This doesn't help Hibbert. This does NOT go over well with some people.

Personally, I think these types of statements exacerbate a bad situation brought on by Jim's inability to properly use Roy.

I agree. He shouldn't be feeding Roy so many touches. It's obviously not working.

spazzxb
01-09-2011, 06:04 PM
A guy who is naturally hard on himself like Hibbert is not going to disagree when the subject comes up. He may also be more sensitive to criticism.

JOb needs arrogant dudes to tear down IMHO. Not tear down guys who are self-motivated.

We need a new coach. One that can properly use Roy Hibbert because I don't think the problem is with Roy. I think the problem is with Jim O'Brien's strategy.

Everything is not the coaches fault, as much as people like to blame him. It seems like even discussing issues not related to Jim is viewed as a crime around here recently.

BlueNGold
01-09-2011, 06:04 PM
I agree. He shouldn't be feeding Roy so many touches. It's obviously not working.

I agree too. He shouldn't even be the coach.

But seriously, I do agree with the intent of your statement. Jim's strategy is not a good fit for a player like Hibbert. The Pacers should package up Hibbert and get back a more athletic C along the lines of a poor man's Amare'....if Jim is going to be around here much longer.

spazzxb
01-09-2011, 06:06 PM
I agree too. He shouldn't even be the coach.

But seriously, I do agree with the intent of your statement. Jim's strategy is not a good fit for a player like Hibbert. The Pacers should package up Hibbert and get back a more athletic C along the lines of a poor man's Amare'. So you want to get rid of Hibbert? Enough said.

BlueNGold
01-09-2011, 06:08 PM
So you want to get rid of Hibbert? Enough said.

Um...no. Read the rest of my post. Only if Jim is the coach for a couple years would I want to release Hibbert from this mess.

Edit: I am simply acknowledging that if we have to continue to exist in JOb purgatory, we probably need to get rid of Roy. He does not fit this motion offense. He's not athletic enough and he barely can keep his balance. He's best used in a traditional half-court offense.

spazzxb
01-09-2011, 06:37 PM
Really I was just messing with you for playing on both sides of the fence. There aren't people here arguing that JOB needs to be retained.
people treat anyone who defends anything he does as though they are huge supporters but this is just a manufactured enemy. I am simply one who believes everything isn't his fault and try desperately to discuss the actual players on this team. Hibbert is still developing as a young player and even Obrien acknowledges that he is very important to this franchise. Obrien has said we are committed to developing Roy, in stark contrast to the insinuations people make. Roy needs to play better regardless of the coach, but he is growing.They always say it takes longer to develop a center and this is a classic example. Roy will get better he just needs some more time. I personally think Roys struggles ay JOB's fault.


Um...no. Read the rest of my post. Only if Jim is the coach for a couple years would I want to release Hibbert from this mess.

Edit: I am simply acknowledging that if we have to continue to exist in JOb purgatory, we probably need to get rid of Roy. He does not fit this motion offense. He's not athletic enough and he barely can keep his balance. He's best used in a traditional half-court offense.

rexnom
01-09-2011, 06:40 PM
Jim did everything we wanted him to do for Roy this season and Roy wasn't up to the task. The resulting fallout caused our offense to collapse. A statement by Jim here and there doesn't change these facts.

flox
01-09-2011, 06:49 PM
I agree too. He shouldn't even be the coach.

But seriously, I do agree with the intent of your statement. Jim's strategy is not a good fit for a player like Hibbert. The Pacers should package up Hibbert and get back a more athletic C along the lines of a poor man's Amare'....if Jim is going to be around here much longer.

I'm not too sure about that. I'll get to that in a bit lower on this post.


Um...no. Read the rest of my post. Only if Jim is the coach for a couple years would I want to release Hibbert from this mess.

Edit: I am simply acknowledging that if we have to continue to exist in JOb purgatory, we probably need to get rid of Roy. He does not fit this motion offense. He's not athletic enough and he barely can keep his balance. He's best used in a traditional half-court offense.

I disagree with you about Hibbert fitting the motion offense.

In college Hibbert played at Georgetown, which ran a Princeton Motion offense. He did quite well there, although at the college level he could beat his man with ease and didn't have to beat NBA defenders who were around his size and stronger than him.

I think this is the main problem right now- Hibbert just can't execute the moves he used in college to beat his man like he can in the NBA. I'm sure he'll adjust accordingly- and that might mean giving him more touches.

But, as I've stated in the past, I don't think giving Roy more touches is good for this offense. The amount of touches he's getting is acceptable if he's producing, but for right now, I think his touches should be lowered.

The fact that Jim continues to give Hibbert touches strikes me as out of character. He must see something in Hibbert that I don't. Jim definitely has more commitment to develop Hibbert than I would.

Bball
01-09-2011, 06:52 PM
I am simply one who believes everything isn't his fault and try desperately to discuss the actual players on this team.

I don't think everything is O'Brien's fault. I DO think nothing can be fixed until O'Brien is gone. His fingerprints are simply too much poison to the team to ignore any longer...

BlueNGold
01-09-2011, 06:54 PM
Jim did everything we wanted him to do for Roy this season and Roy wasn't up to the task. The resulting fallout caused our offense to collapse. A statement by Jim here and there doesn't change these facts.

That's not true.

In November, he was doing fine. Both Josh and even Tyler saw the court some.

In December, he benched Tyler and attempted to convert Josh into a stretch 4. That was a disastor for Roy.

Now in January, he starts Tyler but now Hibbert's confidence is destroyed, in small part by JOb's statements to the press.

But he has Josh riding the bench now.

Hibbert needs help in the paint, and Tyler and Josh bring energy. Not the perfect complements for Roy, but better than James Posey who still sees time at the 4.

If Jim rewinds back to November...plays Josh again and gives even more minutes to Tyler and AJ Price...there would be less complaints. Because we would be winning more games.

joeyd
01-09-2011, 07:09 PM
So, the video that showed Walton working with Hibbert, as well as the publicity surrounding it was just a PR move?
IIRC, Walton himself stated on a video that he would like to stay and work with Roy for as long as Larry wanted him to because he felt that Roy has potential and a strong work ethic and desire to improve. Apparently Larry only wanted him to stay one week.

No, it wasn't just a PR move. I think it was genuinely done to try to help Roy's game. I should clarify. Hibbert's development over the offseason is widely credited mostly to his work ethic, working out and also watching film. He put in quite a bit of time, as has also been well documented. I believe Walton's intentions were good, but the sentiment from my source was that Walton was getting too much credit for Roy's development, and that Roy took it upon himself to work hard over the summer. It also didn't sound to me like Walton worked with Roy for a week. I'm assuming he worked with all the bigs, but I may have misinterpreted.

BlueNGold
01-09-2011, 07:10 PM
The fact that Jim continues to give Hibbert touches strikes me as out of character. He must see something in Hibbert that I don't. Jim definitely has more commitment to develop Hibbert than I would.

He has no other choice. How valuable is Roy Hibbert when he's not a post-up threat?

The problem is that the system is not designed for a 7'2", relatively slow C. It's designed for player AND ball movement, not executing plays in a precise half-court offense. That's why an athletic center like Battie fit well in Boston for Jim.

This is a personnel to system mismatch IMHO.

CableKC
01-09-2011, 07:12 PM
Let's look at this from a non-psychological point of view and simply look at it from the opposing Team's defense and how they are defending him now. It's been mentioned before that Teams have adjusted to Roy and are defending him better. Can someone tell me if Teams truly are defending him to the point where his overall effectiveness on the offensive end is negated on a regular basis?

Is there a "How to shutdown Hibbert on a regular basis" manual that is being passed around from Team to Team that everyone is using?

If opposing Teams are defending him a certain way, is there anything that can be done on a Coaching and/or Players end to counter that ( as in run plays for Hibbert that would help minimize the impact of this defense against him and/or make adjustments to his game )?

I really think that it's a psychological thing when it comes to Hibbert but you really have to wonder if ( as some have said ) Teams have adjusted to him and that it's taking Hibbert time to re-adjust and/or re-invent himself.

BlueNGold
01-09-2011, 07:18 PM
It's not a manual. It's a one line sentence: Get physical with Hibbert and you take him out of the game.

That's why he's talking about eating junk food. He's talking about putting on some weight. He's getting pushed around.

That's also why they need someone in the paint to help him push.

flox
01-09-2011, 07:36 PM
He has no other choice. How valuable is Roy Hibbert when he's not a post-up threat?

The problem is that the system is not designed for a 7'2", relatively slow C. It's designed for player AND ball movement, not executing plays in a precise half-court offense. That's why an athletic center like Battie fit well in Boston for Jim.

This is a personnel to system mismatch IMHO.

I agree with this partially, in that it is a personnel to system mismatch, but I also don't think that it's bad enough to call it a terrible fit- its more a round peg into an oval hole, rather than a square. There are some things that can help, and there are some things that hurt. But it's not a complete failure.




Is there a "How to shutdown Hibbert on a regular basis" manual that is being passed around from Team to Team that everyone is using?

If opposing Teams are defending him a certain way, is there anything that can be done on a Coaching and/or Players end to counter that ( as in run plays for Hibbert that would help minimize the impact of this defense against him and/or make adjustments to his game )?

I really think that it's a psychological thing when it comes to Hibbert but you really have to wonder if ( as some have said ) Teams have adjusted to him and that it's taking Hibbert time to re-adjust and/or re-invent himself.

We've discussed this a bit here.
http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=60030




It's not a manual. It's a one line sentence: Get physical with Hibbert and you take him out of the game.

That's why he's talking about eating junk food. He's talking about putting on some weight. He's getting pushed around.

That's also why they need someone in the paint to help him push.

That is also a part of the problem/

BlueNGold
01-09-2011, 07:52 PM
I agree with this partially, in that it is a personnel to system mismatch, but I also don't think that it's bad enough to call it a terrible fit- its more a round peg into an oval hole, rather than a square. There are some things that can help, and there are some things that hurt. But it's not a complete failure.



Yes, it's not a terrible fit. At least he can shoot from 15-19 feet.

Roy needs 3 things in my mind.

1) He needs to get stronger physically, and gaining a little weight would not hurt.

2) He needs to be paired with a PF younger, bigger and more athletic than the 217lb James Posey.

3) He needs to operate in a more controlled offense where plays are being called more often. This is true because a system that relies on player movement is not a good match for a guy who is relatively slow, cannot jump and doesn't have great balance. He needs time to setup, get in the right position, and pass out of the post to players on the perimeter. Players who are not cutting and moving all the time...requiring him to focus on making more difficult passes.

Hicks
01-10-2011, 12:42 AM
But Roy isn't having a very good season! He's supposed to be our number two option and he's struggling mightily to handle the load!

And he can play at a much, much higher level! That's good! How dickish of Jim to make sure he included that in his critique of Roy. What a mother****er Jim is. Telling his second-most important player that he's capable of doing better.

Here's the problem: Jim didn't say it now, he said this over six weeks ago, when Roy was playing well.

Sandman21
01-10-2011, 12:47 AM
Roy needs 3 things in my mind.


He actually needs 4 things:

4. A real head coach, not some pretender in a suit.

Pacemaker
01-10-2011, 07:07 AM
I think that simply the league just catch up to him. The surprise factor of his off-season improvement is now gone. Now he needs to take it up another notch. Go Hibby !!!!

ksuttonjr76
01-10-2011, 01:22 PM
Here's the problem: Jim didn't say it now, he said this over six weeks ago, when Roy was playing well.

I'm glad someone said this.

Jermaine_TR
01-11-2011, 07:13 AM
Hibbert can be good as a Jermaine O'Neal. O'Neal gone, pacers done.

BlueNGold
01-30-2011, 03:46 PM
Jim did everything we wanted him to do for Roy this season and Roy wasn't up to the task. The resulting fallout caused our offense to collapse. A statement by Jim here and there doesn't change these facts.

Bump...

I think the front office might differ...

BlueNGold
01-30-2011, 03:49 PM
A guy who is naturally hard on himself like Hibbert is not going to disagree when the subject comes up. He may also be more sensitive to criticism.

JOb needs arrogant dudes to tear down IMHO. Not tear down guys who are self-motivated.

We need a new coach. One that can properly use Roy Hibbert because I don't think the problem is with Roy. I think the problem is with Jim O'Brien's strategy.

Hmmm. I wonder if the front office read my post. It sounds like I might agree with them...