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Hicks
09-01-2004, 07:53 PM
Judging by this Spurs board, it seems that way. They REALLY don't like him. Calling him overrated, not that good, only good because it's the East, etc, etc. Also comments about his arrogance or smugness. :wtf:

This came up again when I saw JO on a list of other players in a poster's sig saying that all those players should be booed for not going to Athens, and when I saw JO I started this thread, and some of the comments astound me.

http://www.spursreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15981&page=1&pp=20

What's with all the hatred for JO? I know some of it is that many of those posters have clung to that silly foreign article claiming JO said he was better then Tim Duncan, which we all know is BS because he wouldn't do that.

But beyond that, they just generally don't like him, and it really baffles me. Aside from that bogus article, why would San Antonio fans hate JO?

Dr Huxtable
09-01-2004, 08:30 PM
It could possibly be that JO chose to sign here instead of the Spurs. If you remember, he was either going to sign here or in San Antonio.

And when people bring up the argument that "he's in the East, that's why he's so good", you can always use JO's response: "Look at my numbers vs the West compared to vs the East; my numbers vs the West are better than the East."

You have to admit though, JO is a little cocky. But that's not really that big of a deal, is it?

Hicks
09-01-2004, 08:39 PM
A little cocky in general, but not towards other players.

clownskull
09-01-2004, 08:47 PM
yeh, that b.s. about him being arogant is a total crock. like the jerk saying jermaine said all sorts of stuff if his memory served him correctly. well if it does- then i'm sure he can come up with a quote. but i know he can't.

diego
09-01-2004, 09:01 PM
Sometimes fans amaze me. We get so bent out of shape over other teams fans or players saying this or that about one of OUR players and think it is crazy. Yet we will start countless threads about other teams players, etc....


Thats all it is. People like their team and will find ways to hate on other players from other teams.

I have come to realize that the players that get taked about the most negatively by other teams fans are the ones that are really good, otherwise they would not care less. Ala Reggie.

SoupIsGood
09-01-2004, 09:01 PM
Yeah I love that board but the majority of them there really hate JO. It's pretty weird.

SoupIsGood
09-01-2004, 09:04 PM
I have come to realize that the players that get taked about the most negatively by other teams fans are the ones that are really good, otherwise they would not care less. Ala Reggie.


Very true.

MSA2CF
09-01-2004, 09:07 PM
Well said, San.

dipperdunk
09-01-2004, 09:31 PM
As an opposing fan early in his career on the court I thought he was a little immature especially after some of his dunks. I like some cockiness in star players(Bird comes to mind) but I can see where opposing fans might have gotten the wrong impression of him.

I think he has matured considerably the past 2 seasons and I was pleasantly surprised when listening to him in post game interviews he came across as mild mannered, well spoken and articulate.

As far as the olympic team the kid was injured and he had every right not to make the trip. It would have been unfair to Pacer fans and the organization to risk his career playing with an injured knee.

Jermaniac
09-01-2004, 10:13 PM
They are just mad JO didnt sign with them

MSA2CF
09-01-2004, 10:14 PM
We have an early nomination for Avatar of the Year, Hicks:

dipperdunk
http://www.pacersdigest.com/cgi-bin/bbBoard.cgi?a=useravatarview;uid=73

Lord Helmet
09-01-2004, 11:14 PM
I have no clue why the Spurs fans hate him so much.Jermaine is a class act along with Reg.He respects his peers and most of all the fans.He is really nice and being the star of the Pacers you would think that he would be the hardest autograph to get but he is the easiest.I have gotten his 3 or 4 times.But back to the Spurs fans.They are: #1 still mad he didn't sign there last offseason.(If I remember right he was so loyal for the second chance Indy had given him he didn't even visit San Antonio)#2 That qoute J.O. "supposedly" said that he thinks that he is better than TD.I agree J.O. may be alittle cocky but not R.Wallace-type cockiness.Everyone remember Game 2 of the ECF when the Pistons won and Rasheed was screaming at the fans I told yall Mofu**ers I told yall bi*ches.He said that to the fans!:rolleyes:

kerosene
09-01-2004, 11:22 PM
As an opposing fan early in his career on the court I thought he was a little immature especially after some of his dunks. I like some cockiness in star players(Bird comes to mind) but I can see where opposing fans might have gotten the wrong impression of him.

I think he has matured considerably the past 2 seasons and I was pleasantly surprised when listening to him in post game interviews he came across as mild mannered, well spoken and articulate.

As far as the olympic team the kid was injured and he had every right not to make the trip. It would have been unfair to Pacer fans and the organization to risk his career playing with an injured knee.

Dipper, I think you hit the nail on the head with all of this. Many people (Pacers fans included) didn't care of the chest thumping after the dunks, etc. but JO has come a long way the last couple of years.

Stryder
09-01-2004, 11:35 PM
You cannot be good without being a little cocky.

The line is very thin between cocky and pure arrogance.

J.O. is far from that line (on the good side).

Lord Helmet
09-01-2004, 11:42 PM
You cannot be good without being a little cocky.

The line is very thin between cocky and pure arrogance.

J.O. is far from that line (on the good side).
I agree.

ROCislandWarrior
09-02-2004, 01:28 AM
hmm... It is just like the whole "hate on the v6 Mustangs" thing. If anyone here knows anything about cars most people who drive V6 Mustangs get heckled (most of the time by V8 Mustang owners) simply because it is not a V8 stang.

(some of you have no idea what I "mean" by that)

They feel threatend by JO. Even though they know (and we do too) that TD is a better player, it still irks them that TD is not held on the almighty pedestal in every single basketball fans mind as he is in their own minds. Ofcourse it is much more complex than that, but that is the outline of how it goes with the psychology of the human mind.

SoupIsGood
09-02-2004, 01:35 AM
hmm... It is just like the whole "hate on the v6 Mustangs" thing. If anyone here knows anything about cars most people who drive V6 Mustangs get heckled (most of the time by V8 Mustang owners) simply because it is not a V8 stang.

(some of you have no idea what I "mean" by that)

They feel threatend by JO. Even though they know (and we do too) that TD is a better player, it still irks them that TD is not held on the almighty pedestal in every single basketball fans mind as he is in their own minds. Ofcourse it is much more complex than that, but that is the outline of how it goes with the psychology of the human mind.

I agree. If you read that forum, you'll notice a pattern. They could go on for pages about how TD is the best in the world, and whenever Garnett or JO is mentioned in relation to TD (or just mentioned at all), they immediatly act threatened, bash KG and/or JO, whip out the old "best in the world" thing, and call it a night. I personally kind of like it, it shows they respect both players and think they are really good even though they won't admit it.

SoupIsGood
09-02-2004, 01:55 AM
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There's the villan himself, getting ready to commit another heinous crime --- score on Big Ben.

Anthem
09-02-2004, 02:05 AM
I agree. Threatened.

TD is awesome, but he's the same player he was a couple years ago. Jermaine continues to improve. The gap is narrowing, and that's hard on the psyche of a True Believer.

Fool
09-02-2004, 12:05 PM
I think you are all being a bit short sighted.

Fans of a team see things a lot differently than opposing team fans. You talk about them hailing TD as the greatest all the time, the same thing happens here with J.O., the same things happens at Piston boards about Piston players (if I have to hear one more time that Rip is going to be a superstar I don't know what I am going to do).

Many of you guys think Rasheed is the bottom of the barrell as far as character, while many Piston fans don't. Many other teams fans think the same of Artest, while many of you don't.

ROCislandWarrior
09-02-2004, 12:55 PM
I think you are all being a bit short sighted.

Fans of a team see things a lot differently than opposing team fans. You talk about them hailing TD as the greatest all the time, the same thing happens here with J.O., the same things happens at Piston boards about Piston players (if I have to hear one more time that Rip is going to be a superstar I don't know what I am going to do).

Many of you guys think Rasheed is the bottom of the barrell as far as character, while many Piston fans don't. Many other teams fans think the same of Artest, while many of you don't.


No, I think you don't read very well.

Read my post again, the part about how we know TD is the best. Anyone who says otherwise cannot be taken as a serious fan.

MZahm
09-02-2004, 01:19 PM
To date, I don't think I've seen anyone on this board say that JO is better than TD. Lots people say they like him better etc etc, but no one's said that he's a better player. It's natural for Spurs fans to react this way. Once you're on top it's very distasteful to think of ever having to give that up - I don't think the issue is about how good they are now, I think they're worried that KG and JO have a chance to become the best big man in the game coz they're younger and still developing skill-wise, while TD has levelled out. In another year, there might be some serious Yao bashing going on. I think they're just trying to convince themselves that TD is going to continue to be the best player in the game, which may or may not happen.

Fool
09-02-2004, 01:19 PM
I think you are all being a bit short sighted.

Fans of a team see things a lot differently than opposing team fans. You talk about them hailing TD as the greatest all the time, the same thing happens here with J.O., the same things happens at Piston boards about Piston players (if I have to hear one more time that Rip is going to be a superstar I don't know what I am going to do).

Many of you guys think Rasheed is the bottom of the barrell as far as character, while many Piston fans don't. Many other teams fans think the same of Artest, while many of you don't.


No, I think you don't read very well.

Read my post again, the part about how we know TD is the best. Anyone who says otherwise cannot be taken as a serious fan.


My point was that they are just being fans of their team and that this and every other team's fan board looks similar. I wasn't talking about giving TD respect.

Perhaps this sentence has made what I was trying to say unclear.

"You talk about them hailing TD as the greatest all the time, the same thing happens here with J.O.,"

I was only trying to show all fans as similar. I wasn't trying to make it the subject that you guys think J.O. is better than TD (which I would assume is not the case with most of you).

SkipperZ
09-02-2004, 01:34 PM
JO is Tim Duncan's greatest competition for best true PF in the league, and surpassed Duncan in MVP voting.

Spurs fans I think see this on some level see that as a joke (that JO can surpass their god duncan in MVP voting) while probably subconsciously feel threatened, as their star, the PF with no equal, suddenly has some competition with the very rapid rise of Jermaine to MVP-caliber status.

They dont watch Pacer games or give any respect to the "Leastern" conference and hear every day all day on ESPN about how the West is the dominant conference and statistics on the East side of the NBA are invalid because of this, and use that argument to put down JO.

SoupIsGood
09-02-2004, 07:07 PM
JO surpassed TD in MVP voting last year? :o How come I didn't know this?

ChicagoJ
09-02-2004, 07:16 PM
huh?

http://www.nba.com/news/garnett_mvp_040503.html

Garnett Named League’s MVP

NEW YORK, May 3 – Kevin Garnett of the Minnesota Timberwolves was named the winner of the Maurice Podoloff Trophy as the NBA’s Most Valuable Player, the NBA announced today.

The 6-10, 240-pound forward totaled 1,219 points in MVP balloting, including 120 of a possible 123 first-place votes, from a panel of sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada. Players were awarded 10 points for each first-place vote, seven points for each second-place vote, five for third, three for fourth and one for each fifth-place vote received. San Antonio’s Tim Duncan finished second with 716 points, Indiana’s Jermaine O’Neal was third with 523 points, Sacramento’s Peja Stojakovic finished fourth with 281 points and Los Angeles Lakers’ Kobe Bryant (212 points) and Shaquille O’Neal (178 points) finished fifth and sixth.

EDITED IN -

JO was second in "first place votes" - maybe that's what they mean?

Player, Team 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Pts
Kevin Garnett, Minnesota 120 2 1 0 0 1219
Tim Duncan, San Antonio 0 72 34 13 3 716
Jermaine O’Neal, Indiana 2 29 46 17 19 523
Peja Stojakovic, Sacramento 1 8 16 34 33 281
Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 0 7 14 22 27 212
Shaquille O’Neal, L.A. Lakers 0 5 11 23 19 178
Ben Wallace, Detroit 0 0 0 5 9 24
Jason Kidd, New Jersey 0 0 0 5 2 17
LeBron James, Cleveland 0 0 1 1 3 11
Baron Davis, New Orleans 0 0 0 1 1 4
Sam Cassell, Minnesota 0 0 0 1 1 4
Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas 0 0 0 1 1 4
Andrei Kirilenko, Utah 0 0 0 0 2 2
Yao Ming, Houston 0 0 0 0 1 1
Michael Redd, Milwaukee 0 0 0 0 1 1
Carmelo Anthony, Denver 0 0 0 0 1 1

SoupIsGood
09-02-2004, 07:26 PM
I find it funny people wasted first place votes on JO and Peja

dannyboy
09-02-2004, 09:26 PM
Information for hateful Spurs fans

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/summer04/basketball/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1851538

Lists reasons for backing out/declining invites for Olympics that all those in question provided:

Jermaine O'Neal - Injury, Rest



http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/round3_wrapup_040602.html

It became prohibitively difficult in the conference finals as O’Neal suffered a slight ligament tear in his left knee early in Game 4 and point guard Jamaal Tinsley battled hamstring, knee and calf injuries to his left leg that reduced his effectiveness and ultimately led to his benching for all but 3 minutes of Game 6. Carlisle searched for answers, using three different starting lineups in the last four games of the series, but there simply weren’t enough buttons to push.

“The obstacles were just too high for us,” said O’Neal. “I don’t know how much longer I would’ve been able to play on my leg. It was a tough situation. … I’m going to have to get healthy. For the first time this summer I’m going to be able to get healthy, work on my body and work on my game and hopefully I can come back and take my team to the next level.”

O’Neal said he was told by doctors his knee injury, which also involved a bone bruise, will require “four to six months to heal,” which means he’s likely to pull out of the Olympics in August. If so, it would mark the first summer in four years he hasn’t represented the United States in a major international competition.

“If I had to say today whether I was going to Athens,” he said, “I would say no.”