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Hibbert
11-19-2010, 10:54 AM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors

According to The Star-Ledger, power forward Troy Murphy will "probably" be traded this season. Murphy lost his starting spot to Kris Humphries three games ago.

Murphy was asked on Thursday if he wanted to be traded, but he didn't answer the question.

"I'm just trying to get better every day," he said. "Just trying to improve every single day. Trying to improve, get better and better, (and) be a better player. Every day."

Derrick Favors, the No. 3 pick in the June draft, will probably start at some point during the season, if he's not included in a trade for Carmelo Anthony. That is another reason why Murphy and his $11.9 million expiring contract could be dealt.

According to the newspaper, head coach Avery Johnson has spoken twice to Murphy about the power forwards role with the team.

"It's a game-by-game situation," Johnson said. "He worked hard in the weight room today, and we'll just keep it going day-to-day, game-by-game. We're going to communicate as much as we need to, and that's pretty much where we are right there."

Murphy's agent, Dan Fegan, who also represents Humphries, is confident there will be a positive ending for the situation with the Nets.

"Throughout his career, Troy has proven himself to be one of the very best 3-point shooting big men and one of the best rebounders. He still is," Fegan told the New York Post. "I have great respect for both Avery and Billy (GM King) and I am confident everything will work out."

-- Nick Borges

ESPN's John Hollinger
Favors makes Murphy expendable

"I thought [the Nets moving Murphy] would be the plan from Day 1. Humprhies is irrelevant to the discussion, but Favors' development should make it easy to move Murphy."

duke dynamite
11-19-2010, 10:56 AM
Well no ****.

And didn't Murph lose his spot to Humphries due to injury?

Indra
11-19-2010, 10:57 AM
I'll give them Solomon Jones straight up for Troy.

HOOPFANATIC
11-19-2010, 11:08 AM
The trying to get better everyday statement sounds vaguely familiar.

Smoothdave1
11-19-2010, 11:16 AM
The whole reason Troy was acquired by Jersey in the first place was for trading him and his expiring contract for a better player this season.

NJ had the cap space, knew Troy was expiring and knew he would give them quality minutes while Favors develops. It's easier to package a player with a larger contract in a deal for someone like Melo, rather than gutting your roster to get close to matching up salaries.

pianoman
11-19-2010, 11:24 AM
Q: Would you trade Dunleavy for Murphy?

Indra
11-19-2010, 11:27 AM
Q: Would you trade Dunleavy for Murphy?

No.

BPump33
11-19-2010, 11:29 AM
Q: Would you trade Dunleavy for Murphy?

I like Troy Murphy as a person. That being said, I wouldn't trade anyone on our roster for him.

Addition by subtraction is still my belief on Murphy. The fact that we got our PG of the future in the same trade still makes me smile thinking about it.

Trophy
11-19-2010, 11:52 AM
He is not an answer to any teams PF issues.

He's a good player to have off the bench on an already decent team with a good PF.

Kegboy
11-19-2010, 11:57 AM
I'll give them Solomon Jones straight up for Troy.

Oh dear god no. Financial repurcussions aside, why would you possibly want to give Jimmy his security blanket back?

:nono:

Indra
11-19-2010, 12:17 PM
Oh dear god no. Financial repurcussions aside, why would you possibly want to give Jimmy his security blanket back?

:nono:

Because he's better than Solomon Jones in every way?

PaceBalls
11-19-2010, 12:42 PM
Because he's better than Solomon Jones in every way?

Except in defense where Solo is so much better than Murphy it about evens out...

duke dynamite
11-19-2010, 12:48 PM
Oh dear god no. Financial repurcussions aside, why would you possibly want to give Jimmy his security blanket back?

:nono:
Who doesn't love that warm and fuzzy feeling?

Kegboy
11-19-2010, 01:15 PM
Who doesn't love that warm and fuzzy feeling?

Hey now, I don't want to hear about Troy giving you a "warm and fuzzy".

:tmi:

90'sNBARocked
11-19-2010, 01:18 PM
Q: Would you trade Dunleavy for Murphy?

In a NY minute

Since86
11-19-2010, 01:22 PM
Where can I find that "I told you so" thread?

Infinite MAN_force
11-19-2010, 01:24 PM
In a NY minute

Bringing Murphy back would be like my worst nightmare coming true. There is a reason he isn't getting minutes in New Jersey.

90'sNBARocked
11-19-2010, 01:28 PM
Bringing Murphy back would be like my worst nightmare coming true. There is a reason he isn't getting minutes in New Jersey.

I underrstand all that

My point is I cant stand Dun the palyer, and also think he is redundant to what we have

Its not about Murphy love, its I would ratehr have Murphy on the squad for one year than Dun

I realise Jim would have an orgasm but I still think Troys skills are needed moe than Duns

In fact I just cant stand Duns

90'sNBARocked
11-19-2010, 01:29 PM
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=17953
By Alex Raskin


Source: Murphy Not On Trade Block


Troy Murphy is not on the trade block, says a source with knowledge of the situation. The Star-Ledger's Colin Stephenson reported earlier today that a source with "knowledge of the team's thinking" claimed the veteran power forward will "probably" be traded, but HOOPSWORLD has learned that is not the case.

Murphy was acquired in August in four-team, five-player trade after spending the past four seasons in Indiana. He's averaged only 20.4 minutes in his five games this season due to a lingering foot injury. Coach Avery Johnson has been limiting Murphy's playing time as he continues to get into game shape.

"It's a game-by-game situation,'' Johnson told reporters on Thursday. "He worked hard in the weight room today, and we'll just keep it going day-to-day, game-by-game.''

Murphy, a native of New Jersey, is averaging 4.4 ppg and 5.2 rpg while making 27.3% of his 3-pointers this season, but his lifetime marks are 12 ppg, 8.6 rpg and he has a 39.3% clip from 3-point range. The 30-year-old former Notre Dame star is the Nets' highest-paid player ($11.96 million in 2010-2011), but his contract will expire after this season.

Speed
11-19-2010, 01:45 PM
Suuuurrrree he's not on the block. We believe you.

Troy hurts you in so many ways, not shown in the stat sheet.

Nice guy, needs to find a specialist role with a really good team, where he is a perfect fit.

He can NOT be one of your main guys though, I don't think he ever has been that kind of player.

PR07
11-19-2010, 01:51 PM
I wouldn't want him back, as there's a risk O'Brien might start running our offensive system through him again

Mackey_Rose
11-19-2010, 01:54 PM
I wouldn't want him back, as there's a risk O'Brien might start running our offensive system through him again

A risk? That's a certainty.

Peck
11-19-2010, 02:02 PM
Uncle Buck made this quote in the James Posey thread "He knows how to play winning NBA basketball. I realize that sounds really simple, but that is hugely important."

Well take that exact same line of thought turn it around and apply it to Murphy and it works just as well.

Troy has never in the pro level been part of winning basketball. Not all his fault but hey you can't play 10 years and be a starter for a lot of those years and not take some of the blame.

90'sNBARocked
11-19-2010, 02:20 PM
Uncle Buck made this quote in the James Posey thread "He knows how to play winning NBA basketball. I realize that sounds really simple, but that is hugely important."

Well take that exact same line of thought turn it around and apply it to Murphy and it works just as well.

Troy has never in the pro level been part of winning basketball. Not all his fault but hey you can't play 10 years and be a starter for a lot of those years and not take some of the blame.

So same would apply to Mike Dunleavy

the lesser of two evils , I guess

vnzla81
11-19-2010, 02:24 PM
Uncle Buck made this quote in the James Posey thread "He knows how to play winning NBA basketball. I realize that sounds really simple, but that is hugely important."

Well take that exact same line of thought turn it around and apply it to Murphy and it works just as well.

Troy has never in the pro level been part of winning basketball. Not all his fault but hey you can't play 10 years and be a starter for a lot of those years and not take some of the blame.


Let's not go crazy here, even though I never like Troy I wouldn't say that he is not a winner or that he is a loser, is not his fault that he is been playing for so many bad teams.

Posey is a winner because he was lucky enough to play with Shaq, Dwade,KG,Pierce and Ray Allen, KG got to lose a lot of games
In Minnesotta and nobody ever call him a loser.

PaceBalls
11-19-2010, 02:33 PM
Let's not go crazy here, even though I never like Troy I wouldn't say that he is not a winner or that he is a loser, is not his fault that he is been playing for so many bad teams.

Posey is a winner because he was lucky enough to play with Shaq, Dwade,KG,Pierce and Ray Allen, KG got to lose a lot of games
In Minnesotta and nobody ever call him a loser.

Well, it kind of is his fault if he is playing 35 mpg. I mean he is part of why they are bad, and from what I have seen with the Pacers, he was the biggest reason (along with the coach who played him so much) why they were bad.

vnzla81
11-19-2010, 02:39 PM
Well, it kind of is his fault if he is playing 35 mpg. I mean he is part of why they are bad, and from what I have seen with the Pacers, he was the biggest reason (along with the coach who played him so much) why they were bad.

I agree but I don't think that we can compare the two guys, one is been lucky to be playing in winning teams and the other one is been unlucky to be with bad teams.

Day-V
11-19-2010, 02:45 PM
I'd rather have Posey at the 4 than Murphy.

BlueNGold
11-19-2010, 07:45 PM
I'd rather have Posey at the 4 than Murphy.

That has become crystal clear to me as well...for most matchups. Not all, but most.

Posey is not going to be bullied in the paint and give up easy layups.

I recognize Posey's weaknesses and he is very flawed. However, he doesn't hurt you as bad. Murphy helps you win 10 or 20% of the time. I think Posey helps you win maybe 50% of the time. He also takes timely threes rather than constant threes.

cordobes
11-19-2010, 07:57 PM
Trading for Murphy was a bad decision for the Nets, it was obvious from the beginning. I doubt they're already considering this seriously... even though they should.

I don't like the idea of having Avery making personnel decisions. A coach overseeing personnel moves generally doesn't work, especially for rebuilding franchises. Proky should "promote" Billy King and hire someone to actually rule over Avery. Otherwise this kind of blunder will happen again.


The whole reason Troy was acquired by Jersey in the first place was for trading him and his expiring contract for a better player this season.

Nope.


NJ had the cap space, knew Troy was expiring and knew he would give them quality minutes while Favors develops. It's easier to package a player with a larger contract in a deal for someone like Melo, rather than gutting your roster to get close to matching up salaries.

If they hadn't acquired Murphy, they wouldn't need to gutter their roster to acquire a player like Melo exactly because they wouldn't need to match up salaries (just like they didn't need to matchup salaries to trade for Murphy).

Instead of keeping the cap space to facilitate a potential mid-season trade (Melo or whoever), Avery decided to spend it on Murphy because as a coach he wanted another veteran in the team. Now he's happy with the rotation, so no need for Murphy any more.

BlueNGold
11-19-2010, 07:59 PM
Let's not go crazy here, even though I never like Troy I wouldn't say that he is not a winner or that he is a loser, is not his fault that he is been playing for so many bad teams.

Posey is a winner because he was lucky enough to play with Shaq, Dwade,KG,Pierce and Ray Allen, KG got to lose a lot of games
In Minnesotta and nobody ever call him a loser.

It would be interesting to see Troy play on a good team. He really never has done that.

But the comparison to KG is funny. Troy isn't going to be the key piece on a championship team. At best, he might give 10-15 minutes of perimeter shooting as a backup on a contender. Nothing more though.

If he played better defense...like Posey has done in his career, he could be a guy who contributed in a minor way like Posey in terms of hitting a small number of key shots...but Troy is a terrible defender for a PF. As a result, he cannot be on the floor without launching a large number of threes....because otherwise his plus/minus would lead the league in the wrong direction. It's bad nonetheless. This is probably the main reason the Nets have him glued to the bench. They apparently are trying to win games.

Anthem
11-19-2010, 08:32 PM
It would be interesting to see Troy play on a good team. He really never has done that.
In part because it's hard to put a good team out on the floor when you're playing your backup PF over 10mil/year.

Doddage
11-19-2010, 08:41 PM
Just so everyone knows, per the CBA, there's no way we can get Murphy back this season unless he's waived by whatever team he's on (doubtful scenario).

Day-V
11-19-2010, 09:05 PM
Just so everyone knows, per the CBA, there's no way we can get Murphy back this season unless he's waived by whatever team he's on (doubtful scenario).

Hmm, that's interesting. Did not know that.


For you older dudes, how did we get Mark Jackson back in 96-97? Was he waived by Denver, or did we initiate a trade?

Anthem
11-19-2010, 09:14 PM
For you older dudes, how did we get Mark Jackson back in 96-97? Was he waived by Denver, or did we initiate a trade?
Previous CBA.

But I'm not an older dude.

Day-V
11-19-2010, 09:23 PM
Previous CBA.

But I'm not an older dude.

So we did trade back for him? That's cool. I know we traded him originally for Jalen.


Now that I've done research, Wikipedia shows that we traded Vincent Askew and Eddie Johnson at the deadline to bring him back. So, when all was said in done, we received Jax and Jalen, and only gave up Askew, E.J, and a few 2nd rounders.

Not bad.

BlueNGold
11-19-2010, 09:30 PM
For you older dudes, how did we get Mark Jackson back in 96-97? Was he waived by Denver, or did we initiate a trade?

I forget.

cordobes
11-19-2010, 09:49 PM
I think that rule about teams not reacquiring players traded already existed in the previous CBA.

Jackson was traded pre-draft, in June, and a NBA season goes from July 1 to June 30. So, you can trade a player in the draft day and get him back via trade a month later. The rule only applies within the season.