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Naptown_Seth
11-12-2010, 11:48 PM
I know we have an overall NBA thread, but this is 31 freaking rebounds. 12 offensive and he only missed 15 shots himself so it's not exactly stat padding.

And of course the 2nd straight 30+ point game for "bust" B-Easy. Someone just pushed Roy's MIP campaign down a flight of stairs. :(

pacer4ever
11-12-2010, 11:49 PM
yaa amazing had 31 pts also but 31 boards holy ****

Trader Joe
11-12-2010, 11:49 PM
Free Kevin Love

pacer4ever
11-12-2010, 11:52 PM
he played 40 mins Kurt Rambis is not a idiot any more. He was only playing him 27 mins.

BringJackBack
11-12-2010, 11:52 PM
Well, I think I would consider trading him for Danny now. :p :laugh:

That is amazing. Duncan, Rodman, Russell-esque. Even though it is a single season game, this is ridiculous. Very very unique player with incredible skills.

jmoney2584
11-12-2010, 11:58 PM
Love knows how to get boards using technique and his body. Very impressive, the guy also has a great amount of bball IQ. I'd love to have some Love on this team.

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AesopRockOn
11-12-2010, 11:59 PM
The rebounding race between Love, Noah, and Dwight is going to be epic.

Trophy
11-13-2010, 12:07 AM
That's amazing.

Trophy
11-13-2010, 12:11 AM
Well, I think I would consider trading him for Danny now. :p :laugh:

That is amazing. Duncan, Rodman, Russell-esque. Even though it is a single season game, this is ridiculous. Very very unique player with incredible skills.

Danny's play recently has been such a disappointment, but I'd keep him just because he's still our star player and a huge piece to our future.

After seeing this, I don't the Timberwolves are inclined to trading Love unless he really wants out.

He's going to be a very good player in the future and I'm sure he would much rather come and play with Danny, Roy, Darren, Paul, etc. here than play with a poor talent Timberwolves team.

Naptown_Seth
11-13-2010, 12:20 AM
Not only is it 31 boards, but if you followed my scouting of him or have watched him in the NBA you know his claim to fame is some of the most brilliant outlet passing you've ever seen. On a dime from baseline to 3/4 court, instant fast break.

I'm figuring that of his 19 defensive boards more than 1 or 2 resulted in quick breaks the other way.

I feel 100% vindicated in championing him as an elite pick long before he even cracked the top 20 prospects list. Others were with me but there were a lot of "he's too short and doesn't have enough vert" people saying he'd bust.


PS - proof that UCLA's coach Ben Howland stinks = Love, Westbrook, Collison, Moute all on the same final 4 team that did NOT win it all. That might be 3 NBA all-stars and a solid 6th man before it's all said and done, and it's not like they weren't good then.

Lance George
11-13-2010, 12:45 AM
I feel 100% vindicated in championing him as an elite pick long before he even cracked the top 20 prospects list.

Draft Express had Love in their top-five for the 2008 draft (http://web.archive.org/web/20070831203443/http://www.draftexpress.com/) before he played a single game at UCLA. That's not surprising considering he was ranked #1 in ESPN's class of '07 (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/rankings/_/class/2007).

Hibbert
11-13-2010, 12:50 AM
I know we have an overall NBA thread, but this is 31 freaking rebounds. 12 offensive and he only missed 15 shots himself so it's not exactly stat padding.

And of course the 2nd straight 30+ point game for "bust" B-Easy. Someone just pushed Roy's MIP campaign down a flight of stairs. :(

Beasley wont get MIP award, he started all 78 games he played last year and is getting the same amount of minutes while taking an average of 2 more shots a game with the same fg% as last year, ft % is down drastically, less steals, blocks, and rebounds. Also having more fouls and double the turnovers. He is only getting 4 more points a game and that's the only thing he has improved on so far this year, besides the Wolves definitely wont be going to the playoffs, which most voters look at as a seperating point from one player to another. Besides, high draft picks are supposed to make big leaps, being the 2nd overall pick, you can count him out already. Tracy Mcgrady won the award after the 01-02 season and he was picked 9th, that's the highest drafted player, at 9 overall, to win the MIP in 15 yrs or so.

dal9
11-13-2010, 01:14 AM
does anyone know the last time someone had 31 rebounds?
i cant even remember 25+

vnzla81
11-13-2010, 01:16 AM
does anyone know the last time someone had 31 rebounds?
i cant even remember 25+

They said on tv that the last person was Moses Malone in 1982 or some like that

Anthem
11-13-2010, 01:24 AM
Remember when we were arguing about whether he'd be a good pick in the early teens?

pacer4ever
11-13-2010, 01:34 AM
They said on tv that the last person was Moses Malone in 1982 or some like that

i thoght they said it was Charles Barkley

Trophy
11-13-2010, 02:00 AM
I think the MIP award will be going to a big man this season.

I haven't really seen too many smaller guys improve yet.

pacer4ever
11-13-2010, 02:16 AM
I think the MIP award will be going to a big man this season.

I haven't really seen too many smaller guys improve yet.

Eric Gordon he is a complete player now looks so much better than last yr. He is looking great so far. The biggest improvemrent is he is making his teammates better this yr.

KennerLeaguer
11-13-2010, 03:18 AM
Not only is it 31 boards, but if you followed my scouting of him or have watched him in the NBA you know his claim to fame is some of the most brilliant outlet passing you've ever seen. On a dime from baseline to 3/4 court, instant fast break.

I'm figuring that of his 19 defensive boards more than 1 or 2 resulted in quick breaks the other way.

I feel 100% vindicated in championing him as an elite pick long before he even cracked the top 20 prospects list. Others were with me but there were a lot of "he's too short and doesn't have enough vert" people saying he'd bust.


PS - proof that UCLA's coach Ben Howland stinks = Love, Westbrook, Collison, Moute all on the same final 4 team that did NOT win it all. That might be 3 NBA all-stars and a solid 6th man before it's all said and done, and it's not like they weren't good then.

That may be a little unfair to Howland. The team did at least make it to the Final Four unlike Calipari's Kentucky Wildcats last season (although ironically the UCLA team did lose to Calipari's Memphis team that included Derrick Rose). Plus should we give Howland credit for developing guys like Collison, Westbrook and Moute who were not elite recruits?

Psycho T
11-13-2010, 03:31 AM
Gotta be pretty lucky to get 31 rebounds. Thats why monster games like that are so rare. Ability / Skill can get you 15 a game but getting up there in the 20s and even more so 30s requires a bit more than that.

I will definitely go back and watch that game to see how he got those boards.

Justin Tyme
11-13-2010, 07:04 AM
besides the Wolves definitely wont be going to the playoffs, which most voters look at as a seperating point from one player to another.

Tracy Mcgrady won the award after the 01-02 season and he was picked 9th, that's the highest drafted player, at 9 overall, to win the MIP in 15 yrs or so.


Neither will the Pacers.

If that's the case, I guess that seals Hibby not being MIP.

MLB007
11-13-2010, 09:42 AM
Amazing rebounds.
but he MISSED 15 shots! And scored 30pts!
How many shots did he TAKE??

Slick Pinkham
11-13-2010, 10:10 AM
11-26 shooting because he started ice cold. At one point late in the 3rd Q he only had 7 points.

He also had 5 assists.

First 30+ rebound game since Barkley in '96 and first 30-30 game since Moses Malone in 1982

Pacerized
11-13-2010, 11:46 AM
Great game by Love. If he's really disgruntled and wants to leave, he's making his value go up. They'd be crazy to give up Love without an all star in return. Strange night when you also look at Grffin getting 18 and 18 in another loss for the Clippers.

ballism
11-13-2010, 12:20 PM
The rebounding race between Love, Noah, and Dwight is going to be epic.

I'd bet Griffin will beat at least one of them by the end of season. But yes, amazing race it will be.

Slick Pinkham
11-13-2010, 12:20 PM
25 and 22 in the second half ALONE.

Here's the exclusive 30-30 club Love joined Friday night: Wilt Chamberlain, Nate Thurmond, Elgin Baylor, Walt Bellamy, Elvin Hayes, Jerry Lucas, George Mikan, Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Walter Dukes, Bailey Howell, Gus Johnson, Swen Nater, Robert Parish, Willis Reed, Bob Pettit and Maurice Stokes.

I still think that the most unsurpassable basketball record is Wilt's 55 rebound game, which believe it or not was against Bill Russell and the Celtics. Is is rare for there to be 55 boards by a TEAM in one game

ballism
11-13-2010, 12:26 PM
I still think that the most unsurpassable basketball record is Wilt's 55 rebound game, which believe it or not was against Bill Russell and the Celtics.

Considering that shooting over 40% around the basket was a good day for Russell, and he used to take ~30 shots per game at his prime, that's very easy to believe :p

Slick Pinkham
11-13-2010, 12:44 PM
It's easy to believe that despite the 55 rebounds by Wilt, the Celtics won 132-129.

Russell shot 44% for his career, so he was indeed Jermaine-like (46% for JO, 42% in the playoffs) though Bill never averaged more than 16.6 shots per game in any season. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/russebi01.html

Stryder
11-13-2010, 12:46 PM
It's easy to believe that despite the 55 rebounds by Wilt, the Celtics won 132-129.

Russell shot 44% for his career, so he was indeed Jermaine-like (46% for JO, 42% in the playoffs) though Bill never averaged more than 16.6 shots per game in any season.

Wouldn't that be, Jermaine was "Russell-like"?

grace
11-13-2010, 01:09 PM
i thoght they said it was Charles Barkley

They mentioned Barkley (I don't remember why), but Malone in '82.

ballism
11-13-2010, 02:05 PM
It's easy to believe that despite the 55 rebounds by Wilt, the Celtics won 132-129.

Russell shot 44% for his career, so he was indeed Jermaine-like (46% for JO, 42% in the playoffs) though Bill never averaged more than 16.6 shots per game in any season. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/russebi01.html

You are right, I exagerated it here. Russell shot 42.6 that year, which was actually 2nd best on his team. And indeed it's easy to believe Celtics won - considering the scrubs Wilt was surrounded with, and that 1960 was what - his 2nd year?

But the point remains the same - when u are battling a team that shoots below .400 and shoots around 130 shots per game, it's easy to believe that someone will get 50+ rebounds at some point :) The rebounding records of that time do indeed seem amazing at first glance, yet they are pretty irrelevant today.
It is probably not possible to find the complete stats of that game online, but i wouldn't be surprise that the 31 rebounds by Love was actually at the level of Wilt's 55 - when u account for game pace and total misses.

Slick Pinkham
11-13-2010, 02:40 PM
Kevin Love had more rebounds last night (31) than Chris Bosh has had all month (28)

dal9
11-13-2010, 02:44 PM
^ wow that is embarassing

^^^^ 25 & 22 in a half, wow...on pace for 50 & 44...

SMosley21
11-13-2010, 02:54 PM
Love also has more rebounds in his last 3 games (64) than Bosh has for the entire season so far (54).

Lance George
11-13-2010, 02:55 PM
Kevin Love has NBA's first 30-30 game in 28 years - Ball Don't Lie - NBA* - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Kevin-Love-has-NBA-s-first-30-30-game-in-28-year?urn=nba-285234)


When Kevin Love (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4391/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4391/news) makes a prediction, he's not going to be talking about points or assists or (as a member of the Minnesota Timberwolves (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/min/)) wins. The AP has their back and forth (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap;_ylt=Ao.R6v5QQz5cPFHYE0tZTjG8vLYF?gid=201011 1216):
At one point in the third quarter, Kevin Love leaned over to Michael Beasley on the bench and whispered in his ear.
"I'm going for 30 tonight," Love said.
With Love having only seven points at the time, Beasley looked at him and said, "Thirty what?"
"Thirty what?" Seriously? It's Kevin Love. Geez.

Love got his 30 -- rebounds -- in the Minnesota win over New York. Thirty-one of those caroms (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2010111216&old_bs=1), actually, along with 31 points, and it's just a remarkable achievement even considering the fact that New York was playing a converted power forward (Amar'e Stoudemire (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3607/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3607/news)) at center along with two small forwards up front. Thirty-one, my friends, is 31, and it's the first time in 28 years this has even happened in the NBA.
And even though we saw Love grab a few boards away from teammates (not too rudely, but we have noticed this aspect a couple of times a game in each of Minnesota's games), 31 is 31.

With that night, Love moves more than a half-rebound ahead of Chicago's Joakim Noah (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4287/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4287/news) in the rebounds-per-game department. But as Henry Abbott detailed yesterday (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/21619/picking-the-nbas-best-rebounder-so-far), looking at rebounds per game (while discussing season-long performance) in the NBA is nearly as silly as going to "fly balls caught, per game" in baseball or "carries, per game" in football. It's not about the raw numbers. It's about the amount of rebounds you pull in given the amount of chances that you're afforded.

Noah, who is having a fantastic season, is pulling in just over 20 percent of all available rebounds while he's on the court.

Love? Over 25 percent. Keep in mind that Noah's 20 percent would usually lead the league, and Dennis Rodman is the all time leader in this rate (rebound rate, if you will) at 23.4 percent (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trb_pct_career.html).

Kind of makes you wonder if Timberwolves coach Kurt Rambis will deign to play Love more than the 29 1/2 minutes per game he's averaging on the season. Love (who isn't hampered by foul trouble, at 2.4 fouls per game) is averaging an astounding 18 points, 14.6 rebounds and nearly two assists in just under 30 minutes a game.

It should also be noted that this game wasn't even televised for Love's home fans. As a favor to them, here's some video evidence (http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2010/11/13/loves-30-for-30video-evidence/).

odeez
11-13-2010, 03:35 PM
wow!

Justin Tyme
11-13-2010, 04:12 PM
It is probably not possible to find the complete stats of that game online, but i wouldn't be surprise that the 31 rebounds by Love was actually at the level of Wilt's 55 - when u account for game pace and total misses.


I get so tired of people trying to evaluate what a player did in the 60's as irrelevant compared todays players and games with stats. How can those who never saw Wilt play compare his accomplishments with players today? YOU CAN'T! I'm one of the few on this board who can even say they remember when Wilt was given a "blank" contract and told to fill in the amount by Philly when signing him, and then saw him play throughout his career. IIRC, Wilt was the 1st mil dollar salary player in sports. Wilt had the size, strength, and agility, not to mention ability, that GM's today drool over. There is a reason Wilt is one of the 50 greatest players!! If there was a clone of Wilt today, I'd trade anyone and everyone on the Pacers to get him. Great accomplishment by Love, but lets not dimenish Wilt's 55 REB accomplishment by trying to judge and compare them with stats.

KennerLeaguer
11-13-2010, 04:23 PM
Kevin Love had more rebounds last night (31) than Chris Bosh has had all month (28)

Ouch.

KennerLeaguer
11-13-2010, 04:25 PM
I get so tired of people trying to evaluate what a player did in the 60's as irrelevant compared todays players and games with stats. How can those who never saw Wilt play compare his accomplishments with players today? YOU CAN'T! I'm one of the few on this board who can even say they remember when Wilt was given a "blank" contract and told to fill in the amount by Philly when signing him, and then saw him play throughout his career. IIRC, Wilt was the 1st mil dollar salary player in sports. Wilt had the size, strength, and agility, not to mention ability, that GM's today drool over. There is a reason Wilt is one of the 50 greatest players!! If there was a clone of Wilt today, I'd trade anyone and everyone on the Pacers to get him. Great accomplishment by Love, but lets not dimenish Wilt's 55 REB accomplishment by trying to judge and compare them with stats.

Tony Kornheiser claimed this week that Wilt was the greatest athlete of all time.

ballism
11-13-2010, 04:28 PM
If there was a clone of Wilt today, I'd trade anyone and everyone on the Pacers to get him.

So would I. And what's your point? Exactly what I'm saying, we can't compare it and we can't judge it. Wilt was the main reason why NBA, not ABA survived to this day. Wilt was the first real basketball superstar when only baseball and boxing seemed to have superstars. Anyone and everything was judged in comparison to Wilt at the time - 'beating the Goliath' gave a huge push to superstardom to Russell, Kareem and Willis Reed, among others. He had height, athleticism and strength that was miles ahead of anyone till Kareem and comparable to best centers from 80s to today. We all know it, even if none of us was a mature person at Wilt's prime - unless there are people around 70 on this board, in which case I'd love to hear their memories.
So what?
All of that doesnt mean however that we should drop a Wilt's stat and judge Love with it.
'Not judging' goes both ways u know, otherwise we are fake in our views.

Hoop
11-13-2010, 06:39 PM
Solo has 4 boards in 6 games. :dance:

Psycho T
11-13-2010, 06:53 PM
Solo has 4 boards in 6 games. :dance:

Cant afford to let him walk! Lock him up Bird! :p

cordobes
11-13-2010, 07:29 PM
That may be a little unfair to Howland. The team did at least make it to the Final Four unlike Calipari's Kentucky Wildcats last season (although ironically the UCLA team did lose to Calipari's Memphis team that included Derrick Rose). Plus should we give Howland credit for developing guys like Collison, Westbrook and Moute who were not elite recruits?

Yes, we should. Howland is the best teacher of defense in the game.

1984
11-14-2010, 09:34 AM
Amazing rebounds.
but he MISSED 15 shots! And scored 30pts!
How many shots did he TAKE??

Less than thirty?