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pacer4ever
11-11-2010, 10:52 PM
Nov 11, 2010 8:56 PM EST
Kentucky freshman center Enes Kanter has bene ruled permanently ineligible to play for the Wildcats by the NCAA.

The NCAA ruled Kanter received over $33,000 above his necessary expenses for the 2008-09 season.

"Enes took advantage of an opportunity to play at the highest level available to him, but the consequences of receiving payments above his actual expenses is not compatible with the collegiate model of sports that our members have developed," said Kevin Lennon, NCAA vice president of academic and membership affairs.

Kentucky will appear the decision.

Kanter is expected to be a top-eight lottery pick in the 2011 NBA Draft.

Via ESPN
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coach Cal cheating again "NO way"

DGPR
11-11-2010, 11:15 PM
Just go to Europe if you want to be paid to play, it worked out pretty well for Brandon Jennings.

pacer4ever
11-11-2010, 11:15 PM
Just go to Europe if you want to be paid to play, it worked out pretty well for Brandon Jennings.

he is from turkey he already played in europe

travmil
11-11-2010, 11:20 PM
Just go to Europe if you want to be paid to play, it worked out pretty well for Brandon Jennings.

Well he could do that, or he could just go to Kentucky if he wants to be paid to play.

Mackey_Rose
11-12-2010, 12:19 AM
Well he could do that, or he could just go to Kentucky if he wants to be paid to play.

Or any school in the NCAA. It isn't just Kentucky, it's pretty much everybody.

travmil
11-12-2010, 12:23 AM
Or any school in the NCAA. It isn't just Kentucky, it's pretty much everybody.

Maybe in the power conferences. I don't think the teams in the Sun Belt or the Missouri Valley are paying anyone.

Mackey_Rose
11-12-2010, 12:24 AM
Maybe in the power conferences. I don't think the teams in the Sun Belt or the Missouri Valley are paying anyone.

You are correct. I should have been more specific.

In the BCS conferences, it's extremely prevalent.

cdash
11-12-2010, 01:24 AM
Cody Zeller Day has been an utter triumph for the Hoosiers and our dormant fanbase. I will recognize this as a Hoosier Holiday for years to come.

PS: UK had this coming. You pay all your players, one of them is bound to get caught.

cdash
11-12-2010, 01:25 AM
You are correct. I should have been more specific.

In the BCS conferences, it's extremely prevalent.

Odd coming from a Boiler fan. I think you guys run (and have run) a very clean program for a long time. Actually, I think most Big Ten schools do at this point. Ohio $tate not included.

Trader Joe
11-12-2010, 01:25 AM
He didn't get caught for being paid by UK, although he probably got a raise when he went to play there.

cdash
11-12-2010, 01:26 AM
He didn't get caught for being paid by UK, although he probably got a raise when he went to play there.

Don't cloud the discussion with facts!!

judicata
11-12-2010, 03:23 AM
You are correct. I should have been more specific.

In the BCS conferences, it's extremely prevalent.

Where Calipari coaches, its prevalent. I don't think the rest of the bluebloods have to go there.

KennerLeaguer
11-12-2010, 04:10 AM
Or any school in the NCAA. It isn't just Kentucky, it's pretty much everybody.

No, its not.

KennerLeaguer
11-12-2010, 04:16 AM
You are correct. I should have been more specific.

In the BCS conferences, it's extremely prevalent.


You guys do know that some of those non-BCS schools have much more money for athletics than smaller catholic schools like a Georgetown or a St. John's (who are in a BCS conference) that do not have oncampus arenas and do not have D1 football programs?

Anyway if all the other schools were paying $EC money then those teams would be beating out the big boys more often for the top recruits. But the truth is only a couple of dozen programs routinely put together good recruiting classes. So if EVERYONE is paying money on the side then they aren't getting much if any return for it.

cdash
11-12-2010, 05:06 AM
Programs I'm 90% sure run shady operations: Kentucky (any Calipari program is slime), Memphis (Pastner learned all Cal's tricks), Baylor, Kansas, Ohio State, UConn

Programs I'm very skeptical of: Louisville, Arkansas, Texas, Washington, Mississippi State, Kansas State

I actually don't think it is that widespread in basketball, at least not compared to the shady games going on in football. I think the entire Big Ten is clean, save for Ohio State. The Big 12 has some questionable teams in there, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if any SEC schools were up to some sort of shenanigans.

Mackey_Rose
11-12-2010, 01:03 PM
Odd coming from a Boiler fan. I think you guys run (and have run) a very clean program for a long time. Actually, I think most Big Ten schools do at this point. Ohio $tate not included.

It is true that I'm a Boiler fan, but I'm also one of the few that is also somewhat of an IU fan. I graduated from Purdue, but I've lived in Indianapolis my whole life (an extremely IU leaning city) and probably have just as many familial ties to IU as I do Purdue, and for that reason I have always rooted for them, except when they play the Boilers.

I know many people in the college basketball recruiting world, and it is an unfortunate truth that the image most coaches project is nothing more than total fraud. Coach K at Duke is one of the worst in this aspect, and the first name that comes to mind. Calhoun and Calipari are two well known rule breakers. The ACC, in general, is almost as terrible as the SEC which is really saying something.

The Big 10 does not have nearly as many issues as most of the other conferences, but it is not without its own problems. It is nearly impossible to not be skeptical of Ohio State, as you already mentioned, but Michigan, Illinois, and Iowa have shady programs right now. Michigan State runs a clean program, but Izzo is much like Coach K in that the way he portrays himself in public is almost totally fraudulent. They may not pay players, but they are at the least morally corrupt.

Purdue ran a clean program with Keady, and Painter has continued that legacy, which is something I'm very proud of. IU ran a clean program with Knight, and then lost its way after he left. I think Crean is trying to get back to the model of cleanliness and success that Bobby ran. It's good because the way that Davis and Sampson treated that program is a total disgrace. IU should be one of the premier programs in the nation, and I think it will get back to that point under Tom Crean.

Trader Joe
11-12-2010, 01:15 PM
I think it's unfair to throw Mike Davis in with Sampson. I don't think he ran a corrupt program, a struggling one? Sure, but I don't think he was corrupt.

Mackey_Rose
11-12-2010, 01:45 PM
I think it's unfair to throw Mike Davis in with Sampson. I don't think he ran a corrupt program, a struggling one? Sure, but I don't think he was corrupt.

His problem was very similar to Sampson's in that he did not hold his players accountable for their actions away from the court. Obviously Sampson took it to another level all together, and did it so terribly that it probably is unfair to put them in the same sentence.

cdash
11-12-2010, 06:41 PM
I think it's unfair to throw Mike Davis in with Sampson. I don't think he ran a corrupt program, a struggling one? Sure, but I don't think he was corrupt.

No, he ran a corrupt program, believe me.

BringJackBack
11-12-2010, 08:01 PM
Cody Zeller Day has been an utter triumph for the Hoosiers and our dormant fanbase. I will recognize this as a Hoosier Holiday for years to come.

PS: UK had this coming. You pay all your players, one of them is bound to get caught.

How good do you think Cody is going to be? Hansbrough or Laettner-esque?

If so, as I am just a casual college basketball fan, than I am pumped and I need to get a more vested interest (in other words, bandwagon) in IU's basketball program.

Trader Joe
11-12-2010, 10:56 PM
No, he ran a corrupt program, believe me.

I'm going to go ahead and point out that there's absolutely no proof to this IMO.

dal9
11-13-2010, 01:34 PM
^ I was there during the Davis final run, hung with a few players, and if they were getting anything, it was not big $...

pacer4ever
11-13-2010, 02:20 PM
^ I was there during the Davis final run, hung with a few players, and if they were getting anything, it was not big $...

were they starters or bench players ??

dal9
11-13-2010, 02:29 PM
^ haha it wasn't the walkons or anything...

leach and newton, who were at least rotation players, if they didnt start


...
but speaking of ineligible, what do yall think is gonna happen with cam newton at auburn?

cdash
11-13-2010, 06:12 PM
I'm going to go ahead and point out that there's absolutely no proof to this IMO.

No proof, but one of my good friends was a manager on the team and said those players did whatever the hell they wanted, and a few of them were receiving lots of improper benefits. And he was a huge Davis supporter.

cdash
11-13-2010, 06:16 PM
How good do you think Cody is going to be? Hansbrough or Laettner-esque?

If so, as I am just a casual college basketball fan, than I am pumped and I need to get a more vested interest (in other words, bandwagon) in IU's basketball program.

No way, those guys were all-time college greats. Cody will be good, but I think his recruitment was more symbolic than anything. Closing the borders, keeping the best in state kids in the state, and he might create a domino effect with other top guys that want to play with him. As for his on the court impact...who knows? I really haven't seen him play besides highlight tapes, but I've read good things, obviously. I think we can expect a four year starter who rebounds extremely well and gives us a dimension we don't have in the post. Wouldn't surprise me to see him average a double double at some point in his career here.

BringJackBack
11-13-2010, 07:41 PM
No way, those guys were all-time college greats. Cody will be good, but I think his recruitment was more symbolic than anything. Closing the borders, keeping the best in state kids in the state, and he might create a domino effect with other top guys that want to play with him. As for his on the court impact...who knows? I really haven't seen him play besides highlight tapes, but I've read good things, obviously. I think we can expect a four year starter who rebounds extremely well and gives us a dimension we don't have in the post. Wouldn't surprise me to see him average a double double at some point in his career here.

Oh, ok I was going to say lmao. When I thought of a holiday regarding a basketball player I initially thought based on skill so my heart kind of skipped a beat when you say that. :laugh:

Well, I am a casual fan of college basketball as I pick a handful of college players that I think that the Pacers would go after. But I suppose that I will jump on the IU bandwagon as the buzz in the city rises.

cdash
11-13-2010, 07:58 PM
Oh, ok I was going to say lmao. When I thought of a holiday regarding a basketball player I initially thought based on skill so my heart kind of skipped a beat when you say that. :laugh:

Well, I am a casual fan of college basketball as I pick a handful of college players that I think that the Pacers would go after. But I suppose that I will jump on the IU bandwagon as the buzz in the city rises.

We're happy to have you.

Trader Joe
11-13-2010, 08:42 PM
Cody is supposed to be the best Zeller brother like I said in the other thread. He's not like Hansbrough though, other than they both can hit the mid range jumper. If Zeller has that sort of immediate impact we will be sitting very pretty, but I expect him to have some growing pains, and in all honesty I expect him to be a 10-5 player his first season. He's not going to be a world beater, but we really don't need him to be next year. Watford, Creek, Verdell, Elston, Oladipo, etc. should give us plenty of scoring and rebounding next year. If Zeller just gives us a guy who we can dump the ball into 5 or 6 times and get a bucket that would be great.