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pwee31
10-31-2010, 11:52 PM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=rivals-1146467


By Mike Pegram, Peegs.com & Inside Indiana Staff Writer

Indiana has landed its highest ranked prospect since current NBA star Eric Gordon made the call for the Hoosiers back in 2006. That’s because Hanner Perea is ready to become a Hoosier following his weekend trip to Bloomington.

“I decided to commit to IU,” said Perea. “I have been thinking about it the last few days and I just knew this was the place I wanted to go.”

The 6-foot-8, 212-pound forward is the #10 ranked player in the Class of 2012. He is originally from the country of Colombia and in between time at prep schools has lived his summers in Bloomington.

“I already know a lot about the school and I’ve been around it for a long time,” said Perea. “That helped me a lot with my decision.”

Perea is now at La Lumiere School in La Porte, Indiana. His trip to Bloomington this weekend was his third unofficial campus visit this fall to the university.

“This weekend I was with Cody (Zeller) and Yogi (Ferrell), so it was a fun weekend,” said Perea.

He said he didn’t mention to the duo during the visit that he was ready to pull the trigger today.

“I didn’t tell them, I just did it,” said Perea. “I told Yogi I was going to do it, I just didn’t tell him when.”

Could the other weekend visitors join him at Indiana?

“I don’t really know but I think they will,” said Perea. “I think they like it here too. They already know what positions they are going to play.”

He’s already begun to recruit the other 2012 prospects on the Indiana radar including Hamilton Southeastern guard Gary Harris, the #24 player in the Rivals150.

“I called Gary and told him I committed to IU and that if we could play on the same team we could end up a great team,” said Perea. “He congratulated me and all that stuff.”

The Colombian is known for his crowd pleasing dunks and blocked shots but he’s working hard to expand his repertoire.

“I am working on my shot, getting into better shape, working on my dribbling skills——from here to when I get to IU, I feel I am going to get a lot better,” said Perea.

Then he expects to continue to develop in Bloomington.

“I know Coach (Tom) Crean is going to help me a lot,” said Perea.

:happydanc

travmil
11-01-2010, 12:00 AM
Tyler Zeller recently told Seth Davis that he'd love to have Cody come to UNC and he he doesn't know his decision, but he thinks he's going to stay home and pick IU over Butler. If that happens, and they get Zeller and Gary Harris, that's the #1 class in the country no question. I know Zeller isn't in their class but man...

cdash
11-01-2010, 12:33 AM
I really think we land Zeller and Yogi too. We are on the rise, finally.

Slick Pinkham
11-01-2010, 11:43 AM
He has the rep of getting and developing guards, so it's nice to see Crean locking up talented big guys.

We will be back soon!

Shade
11-01-2010, 11:48 AM
:fingerscr

pacer4ever
11-01-2010, 11:57 AM
and they verbal commited Tre Lyles #1 player in the nation for class of 14 goes to tech 6"9 freshman

ChicagoJ
11-02-2010, 03:25 PM
At some point in time we'll need to start asking the same uncomfortable question that Marquette was always asking... how come he doesn't coach as well as he recruits?

But until then, its good to just get moving in the right direction.

cdash
11-02-2010, 06:11 PM
At some point in time we'll need to start asking the same uncomfortable question that Marquette was always asking... how come he doesn't coach as well as he recruits?

But until then, its good to just get moving in the right direction.

He's never really recruited all that well before now. Not entirely sure Marquette fans asked themselves that question.

I agree with the overall sentiment though--I'm not sure Crean is that good of a coach. His only success at all was when he caught lightning in a bottle with Dwyane Wade.

ChicagoJ
11-02-2010, 11:28 PM
I work with a lot of Marquette alumni that ask that question.

cdash
11-02-2010, 11:39 PM
I work with a lot of Marquette alumni that ask that question.

Well you would know better than I would then. I just never remembered his recruiting classes being all that great there. Wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong.

asmithxc
11-03-2010, 09:00 AM
Rivals has their team recruiting rankings going back to 2003 on their site, and in that time Crean only had 1 ranked recruiting class: 2005, when their class was ranked 23rd.

He really didn't recruit that well at Marquette; a lot of Marquette fans warned Indiana fans that he wouldn't recruit that well at Indiana either.

ChicagoJ
11-04-2010, 03:42 PM
He was at freakin' Marquette. They weren't expecting top-25 recruiting classes. They'd been in the tournament something like 7 or 8 times in the 25 years after the '77 National Championship. They weren't a top-tier program. He was consistently delivering much better players to the program that they'd seen in 20 years.

He's a better recruiter than coach, which is why they at least had the talent to consistently make the tournament with him.

And some of you are equating "good recruiting" to accumulating a bunch of guys that some non-coaching journalist has ranked in his "top 100". I just wonder how highly the recruiting class of Buckner, May, Wilkerson and Abernathy would have been regarded in one of those "for entertainment only" peices of pseudo-journalism? Those were all "regional" recruits, but recruiting is more than just signing up guys on a top-25 list. Its about bulding a team.

Crean's better at building a team than coaching the team. But given where the program had fallen to, that's okay right now.

cdash
11-04-2010, 04:28 PM
He was at freakin' Marquette. They weren't expecting top-25 recruiting classes. They'd been in the tournament something like 7 or 8 times in the 25 years after the '77 National Championship. They weren't a top-tier program. He was consistently delivering much better players to the program that they'd seen in 20 years.

He's a better recruiter than coach, which is why they at least had the talent to consistently make the tournament with him.

And some of you are equating "good recruiting" to accumulating a bunch of guys that some non-coaching journalist has ranked in his "top 100". I just wonder how highly the recruiting class of Buckner, May, Wilkerson and Abernathy would have been regarded in one of those "for entertainment only" peices of pseudo-journalism? Those were all "regional" recruits, but recruiting is more than just signing up guys on a top-25 list. Its about bulding a team.

Crean's better at building a team than coaching the team. But given where the program had fallen to, that's okay right now.

I mean, isn't that kind of how you determine a "good recruiter?" That he can pull in top 25 classes? Mike Davis pulled in highly ranked recruiting classes, but couldn't coach them for ****.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of his future success at Indiana.

Even with his recruiting momentum and the general upward trend IU basketball seems to be going in, Crean concerns me. I got skewered the other day on a message board for saying that Matt Painter is a better in game coach than Crean, but I think he is.

ChicagoJ
11-04-2010, 04:52 PM
Well, no, but that's not the point. I'd view a good recruiter as one who builds a succesful college program and not the guy pulling in highly ranked recruits that leave for the NBA after one or two seasons.

If you've got 20 years of pulling in recruting classes between 75 and 100, you'd be happy with the occasional top-25 class, right? I mean, we are spoiled, even if the last 15 years have been rough.

He's expected to recruit better at Indiana because he isn't selling "Marquette" any more. That's a no-brainer.

Just because he wasn't getting a marquee recruiting class every year doesn't mean he's a bad recruiter.

cdash
11-04-2010, 05:02 PM
Just because he wasn't getting a marquee recruiting class every year doesn't mean he's a bad recruiter.

It doesn't mean he's a good recruiter either. I think he's an average recruiter at a place that is really easy to recruit to, so naturally, the quality of player he gets at Indiana will be better than he got at Marquette. We'll see if he can translate the success on the recruiting front to the court.

ChicagoJ
11-04-2010, 05:12 PM
You'll note that I didn't ever say he was a good recruiter. I said the question was, "why doesn't he coach as well as he recruits?"

Being a good recruiter by Marquette standards (but still unable to coach them) is not the same as being a good recruiter by IU standards.

I'll give him a few more years (because of how bad things were), but I'm not convinced he's a long-term answer. I'd still rather have Wittman. He was an academic all-American. I'm sure he's smart enough to figure out how to recruit.

cdash
11-04-2010, 05:14 PM
You'll note that I didn't ever say he was a good recruiter. I said the question was, "why doesn't he coach as well as he recruits?"

Being a good recruiter by Marquette standards (but still unable to coach them) is not the same as being a good recruiter by IU standards.

I'll give him a few more years (because of how bad things were), but I'm not convinced he's a long-term answer. I'd still rather have Wittman. He was an academic all-American. I'm sure he's smart enough to figure out how to recruit.

Well, your Marquette friends then. I'm confused, but I think the general crux of the argument, we agree on. We're not sold on Crean.

ChicagoJ
11-04-2010, 05:16 PM
Right. He's an average recruiter and below-average coach. That was an upgrade for Marquette. And, sadly, also for us at a low point in an otherwise proud history.

travmil
11-04-2010, 08:46 PM
Let me get this straight, you guys think Crean is a below average recruiter? I don't know how on earth anyone could think that. We all know he got an all world talent to come to Marquette, while they were still in Conference USA no less. But people forget there were two other players on that team that made it to the NBA. What about before Marquette? Well, even though he was no longer with the Spartans, as director of recruiting at MSU, all his last team did was win the national title. All coaches should aspire to be such "average" recruiters.

cdash
11-04-2010, 09:17 PM
Let me get this straight, you guys think Crean is a below average recruiter? I don't know how on earth anyone could think that. We all know he got an all world talent to come to Marquette, while they were still in Conference USA no less. But people forget there were two other players on that team that made it to the NBA. What about before Marquette? Well, even though he was no longer with the Spartans, as director of recruiting at MSU, all his last team did was win the national title. All coaches should aspire to be such "average" recruiters.

Wade kind of fell into his lap as I recall. His recruiting classes at Marquette were never that highly ranked, and his recruiting classes at IU have been okay so far, nothing great. They are getting better, which I'm thrilled about. But his record to date hasn't been great with recruiting classes or success on the court for that matter. The only time he made it past the second round of the NCAA tournament was his Final Four team with Wade. Just calling it how I see it. I am optimistic that he turns things around, but I am not drinking the Kool-Aid until I see results on the court.

Slick Pinkham
11-05-2010, 11:46 AM
Right. He's an average recruiter and below-average coach. That was an upgrade for Marquette. And, sadly, also for us at a low point in an otherwise proud history.

So these years were a low point for Marquette and tarnish their history?

2001–2002 26–7 (13–3) Conf USA
2002–2003 27–6 (14–2) Conf USA
2003–2004 19–12 (8–8) Conf USA
2004–2005 19–12 (7–9) Conf USA
2005–2006 20–11 (10–6) Big East
2006–2007 24–10 (10–6) Big East
2007–2008 25–10 (11-7) Big East

I don't see it...

Have they had a better stretch of seasons since Al McGuire was coach in the 70s?

ChicagoJ
11-05-2010, 01:07 PM
I must not be speaking in English.

I'm going back to the beginning.

I said, "at Marquette, they often asked why Crean wasn't as good at coaching as he was at recruiting."

And everyone jumped all over me that he wasn't a great recruiter. I never said he was.

But I did dispute the notion that he was a lousy recruiter because he wasn't getting top-25 recruiting rankings. In part because Marquette should probably never expect to get top-25 recruiting classes. So even though he wasn't a great recruiter, he did a credible job of recruiting for Marquette.

So he was an upgrade for Marquette. He may not have been great, but I'm willing to say he was a good recruiter.

And after a decade of Mike Davis, Kelvin Sampson, and Dan Dakich, he's an upgrade for the Hoosiers. Its been a decade since we've have a coach as good as Crean. But when you've had Branch and Knight in your history, its okay to say that Crean is average.

I think I'm gong to give up on this thread. Too many of you are talking in absolutes.

Slick Pinkham
11-05-2010, 04:56 PM
sorry for the misunderstanding

The IU program was essentially given the death penalty, not by the NCAA but by Sampson and the low-character players who all quit going to school under him and made it 100% necessary to let everyone go. The first recruiting class under Crean stunk becuase there was no time to make any inroads on any of the recruits at that late stage. The next two show an uptick, though not at the rate I'd like, and were greatly affected by the lack of success on the floor.

I think he has turned the corner interms of recruiting, but that could very well be wishful thinking on my part, I admit.

I cannot tell if he can coach well enough or not. He seemed to play an entertainign style and get the most out of his talent pool at Marquette, and that's all I have to go on.

Trader Joe
11-10-2010, 05:12 PM
Zeller makes his decision tomorrow in the Hatchet which is Washington's famous high school gym. Put on a crimson cap Cody!

P.S. Of all the threads I wanted to comment on while I couldn't post this was number 1. Hanner PEREA! HELL F'IN YEAH!

cdash
11-10-2010, 07:12 PM
Zeller makes his decision tomorrow in the Hatchet which is Washington's famous high school gym. Put on a crimson cap Cody!

P.S. Of all the threads I wanted to comment on while I couldn't post this was number 1. Hanner PEREA! HELL F'IN YEAH!

I am on pins and needles waiting for this one. Come on Cody, do the right thing.

pacer4ever
11-10-2010, 08:17 PM
I am on pins and needles waiting for this one. Come on Cody, do the right thing.

go to UNC lol

pwee31
11-10-2010, 10:20 PM
Landing Zeller would be huge. Him going to UNC will be heartbreaking

travmil
11-11-2010, 01:12 AM
I'd love if if he gave both IU and UNC the big FU and chose Butler but I don't think so. I do think it's going to be IU though.

Trader Joe
11-11-2010, 09:38 AM
Well if he wanted to play 20+ games against a bunch of glorified high schoolers, then I guess Butler would be the solid choice.

avoidingtheclowns
11-11-2010, 09:41 AM
Well if he wanted to play 20+ games against a bunch of glorified high schoolers, then I guess Butler would be the solid choice.

That and if all he yearns for is the unwavering devotion of graphic-er.

pacer4ever
11-11-2010, 01:12 PM
1 hr away from "the decsion" lol

avoidingtheclowns
11-11-2010, 01:52 PM
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Day-V
11-11-2010, 02:08 PM
Yup, just saw the live feed. Dude's going to Indiana.

Thank God, the state isn't going to riot tonight.

pacer4ever
11-11-2010, 02:09 PM
the feed is on comcast local or on ustream

Slick Pinkham
11-11-2010, 02:11 PM
:happydanc

Hicks
11-11-2010, 02:30 PM
I'm only a psuedo-IU fan (didn't go, but many in my family have), so I'll just say that I'm happy for you guys and I'll definitely be interested in seeing how good IU becomes.

cdash
11-11-2010, 02:41 PM
Tom Crean is locking down those borders. Yogi Ferrell...you're next.

Trader Joe
11-11-2010, 03:16 PM
Zeller said he was going to call Ferrell and tell him to come to IU!

Zeller is the number 3 trending topic IN THE WORLD on twitter. What up Hoosier Nation? Nice to see you again!

Onward you cream and crimson, for the glory of old IU!

Indiana, Our Indiana, Indiana we're all for you!

cdash
11-11-2010, 03:52 PM
Zeller said he was going to call Ferrell and tell him to come to IU!

Zeller is the number 3 trending topic IN THE WORLD on twitter. What up Hoosier Nation? Nice to see you again!

Onward you cream and crimson, for the glory of old IU!

Indiana, Our Indiana, Indiana we're all for you!

Yogi already talked to his dad and said they "needed to talk tonight." I knew this was a big deal locally, but nationally this thing is getting press. I'm shocked. It's the most excited I've been about the Hoosiers in quite some time. Assembly Hall is going to be rocking tomorrow for the opener.

Trader Joe
11-11-2010, 04:09 PM
The dominoes are definitely starting to fall into place.

asmithxc
11-11-2010, 05:05 PM
I must not be speaking in English.

I'm going back to the beginning.

I said, "at Marquette, they often asked why Crean wasn't as good at coaching as he was at recruiting."

And everyone jumped all over me that he wasn't a great recruiter. I never said he was.

But I did dispute the notion that he was a lousy recruiter because he wasn't getting top-25 recruiting rankings. In part because Marquette should probably never expect to get top-25 recruiting classes. So even though he wasn't a great recruiter, he did a credible job of recruiting for Marquette.

So he was an upgrade for Marquette. He may not have been great, but I'm willing to say he was a good recruiter.

And after a decade of Mike Davis, Kelvin Sampson, and Dan Dakich, he's an upgrade for the Hoosiers. Its been a decade since we've have a coach as good as Crean. But when you've had Branch and Knight in your history, its okay to say that Crean is average.

I think I'm gong to give up on this thread. Too many of you are talking in absolutes.

For clarification: I didn't post the recruiting rankings to prove Crean is not a good recruiter.

However, he wasn't bringing in elite level talent (whether this is due to his recruiting abilities or because he was an Marquette is a separate issue).

When a coach has the level of success Crean did at Marquette without bringing in top talent (for whatever reason), I am skeptical of the premise that he wasn't as good at coaching as he was at recruiting at Marquette. This is not to say that the premise is false; rather, I am just stating that the fact Crean had a good deal of on-court success without much recruiting success does not evidence your premise.

ChicagoJ
11-11-2010, 05:27 PM
Okay, but watching the Hoosiers play half-court offense with four guys on the strong side of the court is a strong piece of evidence.

Even if there is a player that is "lost" in the offense, you'd think they should have enough of the court spacing rules drilled into their heads to realize "hey, I shouldn't be on the strong side".

Gamble1
11-11-2010, 06:33 PM
Okay, but watching the Hoosiers play half-court offense with four guys on the strong side of the court is a strong piece of evidence.

Even if there is a player that is "lost" in the offense, you'd think they should have enough of the court spacing rules drilled into their heads to realize "hey, I shouldn't be on the strong side".
He isn't as bad as you are making him out to be. I mean come on, the guy comes in here with below average talent and you expect to evaluate his coaching abilities accurately. I mean Tubby Smith couldn't have coached this team to a .500 record.

Be glad with what you have IU.....:)

Psyren
11-11-2010, 08:07 PM
I go to IUPUI so I'll go ahead and root for Zeller and wish him the best of luck.

However, something inside of me wanted him at Butler to see him rep an Indianapolis school.

Oh well, still a better choice than UNC!

pwee31
11-11-2010, 09:46 PM
This was awesome news. 1st Perea for 2012, and now Zeller next year! If Yogi comes that's 3 5 star players in 2 years. Don't forget Harris as well!

Crean keep doing your thing!!

cdash
11-12-2010, 12:46 AM
The question with Yogi is when, not if, he commits. I'm guessing within the next month.

ChicagoJ
11-12-2010, 01:02 AM
I mean Tubby Smith couldn't have coached this team to a .500 record.



True. But most junior high coaches don't run an offense with four players on the strong side of the court.

Its just spacing 101.

Kegboy
11-12-2010, 03:17 AM
Congrats guys. Always hate to see local kids go ACC.

judicata
11-12-2010, 03:25 AM
As much as I hate to lose Cody, this is a great pick up for Crean. He better pick up a final four in the next 3 years or UNC is going to be back to dominating those Indiana recruits in no time.

I hope to see IU resurge, and I think a 2012 UNC v. IU matchup in the ACC-Big 10 matchup is coming.

My pot-stirring comment for the night: For his draft status, UNC would have served Cody better.

cdash
11-12-2010, 04:55 AM
My pot-stirring comment for the night: For his draft status, UNC would have served Cody better.

Neither him or his brother are NBA players, imo.

My pot-stirring retort: What college you go to really doesn't matter with your draft status. Calipari's kids aren't magically enhanced by playing for him--he just recruits elite players year in and year out. Ditto for UNC, Duke, etc. I'm sure the coaches help a little, but not as much as is commonly believed.

Hicks
11-12-2010, 12:58 PM
True. But most junior high coaches don't run an offense with four players on the strong side of the court.

Its just spacing 101.

Was the other team running a zone defense? I've seen references to overloading the strong side to counter a 2-3 zone.

ChicagoJ
11-12-2010, 02:23 PM
No. There were parts of plays with eight players on the strong side of the court. There was still some off the ball movement, but no passing lanes.

They just didn't look like they understood spacing at all.

judicata
11-14-2010, 05:16 PM
Neither him or his brother are NBA players, imo.

My pot-stirring retort: What college you go to really doesn't matter with your draft status. Calipari's kids aren't magically enhanced by playing for him--he just recruits elite players year in and year out. Ditto for UNC, Duke, etc. I'm sure the coaches help a little, but not as much as is commonly believed.

I'm pretty certain Tyler is NBA material, but its hardly a foregone conclusion. He's got the size and is very talented offensively.

As for College being important for draft status, I disagree. For guys like Blake Griffin, it hardly matters. Most guys enter college with a shot at getting their, if they develop. Those guys need two things:

1) A team with other top flight talent to practice against
2) A system that works the position.

Duke very rarely turns its 5 Star post talent into NBA material because it is a guard centric system that uses its bigs for little more than screens and boards. Teams that play inside out have better success at sending their guys up.

Trader Joe
11-14-2010, 05:25 PM
I'm pretty certain Tyler is NBA material, but its hardly a foregone conclusion. He's got the size and is very talented offensively.

As for College being important for draft status, I disagree. For guys like Blake Griffin, it hardly matters. Most guys enter college with a shot at getting their, if they develop. Those guys need two things:

1) A team with other top flight talent to practice against
2) A system that works the position.

Duke very rarely turns its 5 Star post talent into NBA material because it is a guard centric system that uses its bigs for little more than screens and boards. Teams that play inside out have better success at sending their guys up.

Really?

What about Boozer and Shelden Williams. Shavlik Randolph also made it to the NBA.

Duke does run a guard centric system, but their big men do just fine.

judicata
11-14-2010, 05:39 PM
Really?

What about Boozer and Shelden Williams. Shavlik Randolph also made it to the NBA.

Duke does run a guard centric system, but their big men do just fine.

Boozer has been a nice surprise, but he was drafted pretty low. I don't think Randolph or Williams helps your case. Randolph was the top prospect coming out of High School and missed the draft (same thing almost happened to Josh). Williams is at best a wash, keeping his draft status but transitioning poorly.

Plenty of Duke bigs have made the league and done well for themselves. The test is whether their college experience tended to improve their draft stock and NBA performance or whether they underachieved.

Trader Joe
11-14-2010, 06:07 PM
Your comment was that Duke very rarely turns their front court talent into NBA material. Which just isn't true. And thanks for bringing up Josh, there's another Duke front court player in the NBA.

travmil
11-14-2010, 06:59 PM
Elton Brand?

judicata
11-14-2010, 07:26 PM
Your comment was that Duke very rarely turns their front court talent into NBA material. Which just isn't true. And thanks for bringing up Josh, there's another Duke front court player in the NBA.

You are correct. I worded that poorly. I should have said that attending Duke tends to negatively impact the trajectory of 5star post talent. Josh and Randolph are the poster children of that phenomenon.

I didn't think this would be controversial. If my kid was a top post talent with a future in the league I would be wary of him attending Duke. If he was a pure shooter I might recommend the school.

As for Elton Brand, he is like Griffin. He was a man among boys, and could have gone anywhere and been drafted 1st overall. He also left early. We are talking about kids that need development to take the next step, like the Zellers.

Trader Joe
11-14-2010, 07:34 PM
Fair enough, Coach K is certainly more adept at turning mediocre guard talent into stars at the college level.

Slick Pinkham
11-14-2010, 08:22 PM
Fair enough, Coach K is certainly more adept at turning mediocre guard talent into stars at the college level.

mediocre?

He gets more McDonald's all-Americans than anybody other than UNC

Trader Joe
11-14-2010, 08:26 PM
mediocre?

He gets more McDonald's all-Americans than anybody other than UNC

I didn't say his full roster was mediocre.

pacer4ever
12-18-2010, 01:36 PM
trey lyles had 30 pts 20rebs in his first high school game.

Devin Davis is getting heathly and starting to play really well.(warren has always sucked at b ball devin is starting to change that)


trey vs carmel

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Robertmto
12-18-2010, 08:21 PM
not that it matters, but that was like it 3rd game

pacer4ever
12-18-2010, 09:58 PM
not that it matters, but that was like it 3rd game

I know they dont have a mix of his first where he got 30pts and 20rebs he has amazing skills for his size