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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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    The Sonics 1979 Championship trophy is safe in Seattle

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._brewer27.html

    Jerry Brewer: The Seattle Sonics' 1979 championship trophy remains safe in city where it belongs

    As the third season without an NBA franchise in Seattle begins, a visit to see the 1979 NBA championship trophy at the Museum of History & Industry helps fill the void.

    Seattle Times staff columnist

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    The Associated Press, 1979 Sonics coach Lenny Wilkens, left, and team captain Fred Brown hold up the championship trophy after winning the 1979 title.
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    The Associated Press, 1979 Sonics coach Lenny Wilkens, left, and team captain Fred Brown hold up the championship trophy after winning the 1979 title.

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    The NBA season began Tuesday. In Seattle, that's a good time to visit a museum.

    It's not just because we need somewhere else to go for entertainment. One local museum also stands as the best place to visit for a reminder of what we lost when the Oklahoma Raiders ran off with the franchise formerly known as the Seattle SuperSonics.

    The Sonics' 1979 championship trophy rests at the Museum of History & Industry, encased in glass, with a mustard-colored baby carrier to its left and a red Gore-Tex jacket to its right. It stands, as dominant as a big man, among a random collection of items that take you through the years of Seattle history. The closest wall has an image of Bill Gates and an explainer of his impact. There are nearby posters of the 1973 Bumbershoot festival and the Seattle Opera's 1983 presentation of "The Ring." But nothing is more striking than that gold trophy.

    "1979 NBA World Champions," it reads. "Seattle SuperSonics."

    Visitors left Post-it notes by the explainers of items at MOHAI, and on this day, there were two notes about the trophy.

    "That's the best time of the Sonics in history," reads one.

    "I was a kindergarten student in '79 and remember the Sonics — Downtown Freddie Brown," reads the other.

    Spend 15 minutes with the trophy, and all those suppressed feelings surface. Pride. Joy. Rage. Confusion. Nostalgia. Seldom does a trip to a museum become so impassioned.

    "It excites a lot of emotion," MOHAI executive assistant Kimberly Jacobsen said. "Some of our employees will be working, and they'll hear the visitors' noise level rise and know they're talking about the Sonics' trophy."

    MOHAI is kind of like the foster parent for the trophy and hundreds of other artifacts, ranging from banners to team photographs to old VHS tapes, that aren't on display. Shortly after Clay Bennett and his Raiders settled with the city and moved to Oklahoma City, the items were given to the museum. In early 2009, MOHAI and the Raiders signed an agreement that essentially says the museum will take care of these precious Sonics' memories in perpetuity. At any time, Bennett could take them back, but he isn't expected to do so.

    Therefore, the Sonics and the franchise it became, the Thunder, are likely to remain connected only by those two strange years of limbo that preceded the move. The Thunder has the right to use all of the Sonics' statistical history, but in terms of promotion, they've used very little of it. In every way, this remains an ugly divorce.

    But at least MOHAI wants to preserve some of the most important parts of Sonics history. The Sonics remain the only Seattle team from the Big Three professional sports — NFL, NBA and Major League Baseball — to win a championship. The Storm has won two WNBA titles, including the one it claimed this past summer, so pro hoops is still alive and thriving. But those 1979 Sonics started it all.

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    "Winning a trophy of this magnitude really was important for the city," Jacobsen said. "In 1979, we were accused of being a cultural dustbin. We had a lot to prove back then. This championship was, and still is, a reason for Seattleites to have pride. And look at what the city has become since then."

    Seattle is an unquestioned world-class city now. It will continue to be so, even if the NBA never returns.

    Still, there's a void. This is the third NBA season since the Sonics vanished, and it will be the toughest one to date. Kevin Durant, the rookie star of the last Sonics team, has blossomed into a superstar and might be the league MVP this season. And with LeBron James and Chris Bosh joining Dwyane Wade in Miami, there's a buzz about the league that has been lacking for some time.

    NBA commissioner David Stern is already hyping the year as one of the most exciting in league history, and though we fully understand his talent for deception, his words might not be hyperbole. It's going to be a tough year to stomach, as the Thunder develops into a true contender and the national media squawks endlessly about the NBA.

    Thirty-one years ago, the Sonics owned this league. Lenny Wilkens, Fred Brown, Dennis Johnson, Gus Williams, Jack Sikma — they provided an unforgettable season. They captured the trophy that you're hearing every current player from LeBron James to Dwight Howard to Carmelo Anthony scream that they're desperate to win. Even Bennett is wise enough to let the city have its glory.

    On opening day in the NBA, it felt good to be reminded of the great feat. And it felt infuriating all over again to know that the Sonics have been stripped down to artifacts. The Supes have become a collection of things, sadly. The league has left Seattle behind, but at least it can't expunge its imprint on NBA history.

    The trophy is safe. If nothing else, the trophy is safe.
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    Re: The Sonics 1979 Championship trophy is safe in Seattle

    Thank goodness!!! I've been so worried about where the Sonics '79 trophy was. Thanks for the update!
    "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

    -Lance Stephenson

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      Re: The Sonics 1979 Championship trophy is safe in Seattle

      Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
      Thank goodness!!! I've been so worried about where the Sonics '79 trophy was. Thanks for the update!

      You mock but you may not have recalled the story of Georgia Frontiere(former Rams owner) taking the Colts SB trophy(when they were in Baltimore) from them and never giving it back. They had to make a duplicate one for the city of Baltimore to have. This story reminded me of that.

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        Re: The Sonics 1979 Championship trophy is safe in Seattle

        Actually that's pretty sad for the Sonic's fans.
        12/27/2005 at Spurs - SamBear - 3

        1/2/2008 vs Memphis - SamBear - 19

        4/9/2014 - Luis Scola also recorded a season high with 24 points and Evan Turner added 23 for Indiana.

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          Re: The Sonics 1979 Championship trophy is safe in Seattle

          This was actually a pretty interesting read. Thanks for posting. I kind of wondered where trophies go when a team leaves town. Still a shame that the Sonics were hijacked from Seattle.

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            Re: The Sonics 1979 Championship trophy is safe in Seattle

            Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
            You mock but you may not have recalled the story of Georgia Frontiere(former Rams owner) taking the Colts SB trophy(when they were in Baltimore) from them and never giving it back. They had to make a duplicate one for the city of Baltimore to have. This story reminded me of that.
            He may not have recalled that story.

            Or maybe he just didn't care about that story either, which seems way more likely and entirely reasonable.

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              Re: The Sonics 1979 Championship trophy is safe in Seattle

              Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
              He may not have recalled that story.

              Or maybe he just didn't care about that story either, which seems way more likely and entirely reasonable.


              And yet you responded to this post because?

              I mean if you don't care...

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                Re: The Sonics 1979 Championship trophy is safe in Seattle

                Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                And yet you responded to this post because?

                I mean if you don't care...
                I wouldn't have cared if it was the Pacers' 1979 trophy, let alone a defunct franchise now playing in Oklahoma City.

                It just seems like you post an inordinate amount of new threads that really are entirely uninteresting to a majority of this board. What's the point?

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                  Re: The Sonics 1979 Championship trophy is safe in Seattle

                  Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                  I wouldn't have cared if it was the Pacers' 1979 trophy, let alone a defunct franchise now playing in Oklahoma City.

                  It just seems like you post an inordinate amount of new threads that really are entirely uninteresting to a majority of this board. What's the point?

                  Then why respond? If you don't care. I mean nobody put a gun to your head and forced you to read the posts around here.

                  I mean its not that hard to not read a post you don't have an interest in. I mean if you can post something better why don't you do it yourself?

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                    Re: The Sonics 1979 Championship trophy is safe in Seattle

                    Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                    Then why respond? If you don't care. I mean nobody put a gun to your head and forced you to read the posts around here.

                    I mean its not that hard to not read a post you don't have an interest in. I mean if you can post something better why don't you do it yourself?
                    Easy killer.

                    I have been posting quite often in the threads that are relevant to most people on this board. I can feel confident, without feeling egotistical, that they are more interesting to more people than anything about a decades old championship trophy from a team thousands of miles away from Indianapolis.

                    There are lots of threads already on this board. It's plenty active. I don't understand the need to gunk it up with pointless threads that generate one or two responses.

                    I already voiced my complaints to the admin before, so I won't post anymore in your precious threads about uber-interesting topics.

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                      Re: The Sonics 1979 Championship trophy is safe in Seattle

                      Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                      Easy killer.

                      I have been posting quite often in the threads that are relevant to most people on this board. I can feel confident, without feeling egotistical, that they are more interesting to more people than anything about a decades old championship trophy from a team thousands of miles away from Indianapolis.

                      There are lots of threads already on this board. It's plenty active. I don't understand the need to gunk it up with pointless threads that generate one or two responses.

                      I already voiced my complaints to the admin before, so I won't post anymore in your precious threads about uber-interesting topics.

                      Well if you don't care then you don't care I can respect that. I just don't see how you are the authority of other posters on this board

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