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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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    Detroit: Fail City

    The Pistons' copy of the Pacers' copy of the Bucks' great idea fails miserably. Taking a cue from Area 55 and Squad 6, the Pistons created the "Power Plant". One problem...

    Originally posted by The Detroit News
    http://detnews.com/article/20101021/...362/1127/rss13

    By Neal Rubin:

    Pistons' effort to land 50 fans for Power Plant comes up short

    More than 300 people registered to try out for the Detroit Pistons' new 50-person spirit section, the Power Plant.

    Exactly 11 of them showed up at the audition Wednesday night at The Palace of Auburn Hills, which is not very peppy. But this is a cheer squad, so you have to look on the bright side:Those 11 people have a very, very good chance of making the cut. And are the Pistons giving up?

    That wouldn't be very peppy, either.

    The Pistons Power Plant is designed to be a professional version of Michigan State University's Izzone — a core group of diehards whose sworn duty is to get the rest of the crowd standing, shrieking, frothing and rending their garments.

    What that will do, in theory, is assure the Pistons of a whopping home court advantage. In return for their assistance, the Power Planters will each receive a free lower-level ticket for all 41 games — with the requirement they show up for every single, solitary, Oct. 29-through-April-11 one.

    The people who didn't make it to the audition do not have great promise in that regard. But you get the feeling that the 11 who showed up would arrive for every tipoff even if they had to walk.
    Showing pure passion

    Clifford Wade of Hazel Park, for instance, named his 2-year-old son Rasheed Amir, after former Pistons Wallace and Johnson. He's a 38-year-old armed guard who wore a Pistons championship jacket over a Ben Wallace shirt over a Rip Hamilton jersey atop Pistons jeans and Hamilton basketball shoes.

    "I love the Pistons," he said, and his wife loves him, which is why she signed off on a commitment to 41 games — plus, if you're an optimist, the playoffs.

    Wade was the first potential Power Planter to show up, and before it became clear he'd have precious little competition, he outlined his strategy: "Be real. If it's in you, if it's love, it's going to come out."

    Christina Mullen, 49, a Spirit Airlines flight attendant from Detroit, also did her clothes shopping at the Pistons rack. If it helps her case any, she said she fell for the Pistons when current president Joe Dumars was a player, and she noticed that "he had the sexiest legs ever."

    Anthony Sterzick, 19, and Nathan Ziolko, 18, do not have sexy legs. They run cross country for Oakland University, so they have long, skinny legs. The legs were tinted blue and orange, part of their pick-me-please outfits, and Ziolko wasn't exactly sure what kind of paint he had picked up at a fabric store.

    They might be blue and orange until midseason, whether they're cheering or not.
    More auditions ahead

    With that sort of enthusiasm to work with — 11 people can make an astonishing amount of noise in an otherwise empty 22,000-seat arena — Tim Dameron couldn't help but be upbeat.

    That's his nature anyway. The Pistons' game presentation manager, 41, is a former MSU cheerleader. So sure, he said, he was surprised by the sparse turnout, but it's a weeknight and it's an unknown and these things take time.

    "That just means we need to build it," he said. "In other cities, it's huge. We think it's going to be great."

    The Houston Rockets were the first NBA team to try to clone an Izzone. Their Red Rowdies, established in 2006, have created the template for things like attendance (you can miss up to three games, but you have to find your own loudmouthed substitute) and lame cheers. After a steal by Luis Scola, for instance, they chant, "He's here, he's there, Luis Scola is everywhere."

    The Power Plant can do better than that with 11 people. They'll look for reinforcements anyway, though, with on-the-spot auditions at Friday's 7:30 p.m. exhibition game against Memphis.

    "We're keeping our options completely open," Dameron says. "No preconceptions."

    Age, gender, size, ability to recognize a half-court trap — none of it matters, as long as Power Planters are willing to set their hair on fire for the cause.

    Metaphorically, that is.

    But then again …

    nrubin@detnews.com

    (313) 222-1874
    "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

    -Lance Stephenson
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    Re: Detroit: Fail City

    Dude

    I saw that shss!!

    Man Detroit is having series problems in that city
    Sittin on top of the world!

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      Re: Detroit: Fail City

      Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
      Dude

      I saw that shss!!

      Man Detroit is having series problems in that city


      ......and everyone last year wanted to jump down my throat when I said that a good portion of Detroit had become a wasteland and is a very sad shell of it's former glory ..
      "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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      • #4
        Re: Detroit: Fail City

        That .... is pretty damn sad. Seriously.

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        • #5
          Re: Detroit: Fail City

          K-Stat, man, what the hell is up with your fans?

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          • #6
            Re: Detroit: Fail City

            Originally posted by Day-V View Post
            K-Stat, man, what the hell is up with your fans?
            Coz they rapin' everybody out here.

            Homeboy.

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            • #7
              Re: Detroit: Fail City

              Dang I feel bad. Wait... it is the same Detroit fans that, you know

              NVM.

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              • #8
                Re: Detroit: Fail City

                Originally posted by duke dynamite View Post
                Coz they rapin' everybody out here.

                Homeboy.
                You can run and tell that.

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                • #9
                  Re: Detroit: Fail City

                  Originally posted by Day-V View Post
                  You can run and tell that.
                  We got your shirt.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Detroit: Fail City

                    Originally posted by duke dynamite View Post
                    We got your shirt.
                    You don't have to come and confess. We lookin' for you. We gon' find you.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Detroit: Fail City

                      Yeah, this thread is appropriate...

                      I give up. We're all evil rapists from a dead city. Let's see how many negative stereotypes we can fit into one thread. I'm too bores to take this crap seriously anymore.

                      Yeah, 300 people signed up but only 11 showed up. You think maybe there was some miscommunication as to the time and date of the tryouts?

                      No, we're all just immoral criminals in the downtrodden ghetto that is auburn hills, and they shouldnt have held it on rape and pillage night. Oh waIt, thats every night!

                      On the bright side, at least we don't show up for games with white sheets over our heads and pitchforks at the ready. We've long since moved onto firearms. We have that going for us, at least.

                      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

                      Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
                      Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
                      NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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                        Re: Detroit: Fail City

                        Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                        I give up. We're all evil rapists from a dead city.
                        Well, OBVIOUSLY, we have a rapist in Auburn Hills!

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                          Re: Detroit: Fail City

                          Originally posted by Day-V View Post
                          Well, OBVIOUSLY, we have a rapist in Auburn Hills!


                          hide yo chil'ren!!!!
                          "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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                            Re: Detroit: Fail City

                            Originally posted by Day-V View Post
                            Well, OBVIOUSLY, we have a rapist in Auburn Hills!

                            You're so dumb.

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                              Re: Detroit: Fail City

                              Detroit is going through hard times. I don't think it is a source of humor. IMO.

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