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focused444
10-17-2010, 12:26 AM
James Posey has been getting a lot of heat around here lately. Personally I can't complain. I found myself in recent years wanting an old school vet who's cool under pressure, plays physical, gritty basketball. So now we have one, so I can't be mad. Posey will usually not look pretty when on the court, but I see something in Posey. Specifically, I saw something in Fridays game that I can't get out my head. James Posey is a "glue guy" on any team he plays for. It's just him.

Late in the 4th quarter the Pacers needed to inbound the ball up by one, they call timeout. They are expecting the Hornets to foul so the main focus of the time out is get the ball in bounds to the guy who we want to shoot two free throws (which turns out to be Posey but that's not the point). In the waning seconds of the time out the camera shifts over to Posey, JOB, and Collison standing around mid court. Posey was emphatically talking to JOB. He had his arms stretched out and was making a face at JOB that would suggest he disagreed or didn't understand what JOB was asking. Posey wasn't going to let this go. He was not going to do something he felt was wrong. So he replies with what appears to be his ideas on the current strategy. Even Collison steps up and chimes in his two cents, presumably agreeing with Posey. Whats even more interesting is JOB appears to concede to Posey, at least from the TV broadcast. Granted I don't attend games as frequent as many of you (I see the Pacers when they're in Denver) So I don't have the opportunity to see how everyone interacts. My question is when was the last time this team had a vet who seems to have JOB's ear? You can go back and look at the Fox Sports Indiana broadcast and see for yourself. I will admit this could all be a miss-communication, and Posey just didn't know the play for example, but this is what I feel I saw, and I wish I didn't delete the broadcast so I could watch it again before posting this. I think Posey has JOB's attention because of his innate semi-tactful leadership.

1. Am I over blowing this? Maybe I am, but I have watched as many Pacer games as possible on NBALP, and I don't remember a guy that could discuss strategy with JOB in the way Posey appeared to do.

2. Have players been vocal with JOB during his tenure? Something tells me JOB doesn't take advice from TJ or Rush.

3. If so who?

4. If a player in the past has been vocal with JOB does he appear to listen?

5. Is this demonstrative leadership style from Posey negative for the young guys going forward?

I especially love Posey for this because Collison was right behind him, and the PG, if no one else, needs to be able to communicate, and be heard.

6. Did anyone else see this?

I understand how some could be down on Posey. I was never a huge fan of his when he played anywhere else, and still don't know too much about him. Maybe he becomes a conduit for player coach communication. Something every team needs. I don't think it matters one bit to Posey what team he's on, who the coach is, or who his teammates are. He is going to speak and be heard, and that's intangible.

Day-V
10-17-2010, 12:30 AM
I'm actually watching the telecast right now. I'll have to take a look at this.

vnzla81
10-17-2010, 12:33 AM
I still don't want Posey

Day-V
10-17-2010, 12:36 AM
If anything, I think Posey ran the floor better on Friday night. When my cousin and I went to that Orlando game, he looked very out of shape as he chugged it up and down the court. He seemed to have a bit more of a spring in his step against New Orleans.

BringJackBack
10-17-2010, 12:37 AM
Posey is going to be crap until it matters. When its a big game or postseason he'll hit a couple of threes and get to the line, like he did Friday. Granted, Friday was not a big game. James is a different player than we've seen in recent memory.

James Posey for a change is a bench player that looks to distribute the ball to the post and play a lot of in and out action. That is a good thing. When the regular season comes around, he will begin to take charges. He may have lost a step or 647.88 in lateral quickness, but he will be nitty gritty when he is up front with his man and he will teach all the players a thing or two about certain players.

In a weird way, he's an extension of a good coach on the floor. He knows where to get the ball next and he knows perfectly what is a good shot for him and what is a bad shot for him.

For the downside, he can't shoot off the dribble or fill the lane in a fastbreak for **** because he just can't do that. He also doesn't rebound anymore and he can't stay in front of his man.

Of course everyone was saying that about Rasheed last year.

And I'll check the whole coach/DC/Posey thing out in the morning.

focused444
10-17-2010, 12:44 AM
I still don't want Posey

But you want Collison, and Posey was the price of obtaining him. I would rather have Posey than Murphy this year. Posey has been part of championship teams, but yet the Pacers have no use for him? I like the idea of Posey being around the young guys. I understand that some don't want him which is why I never asked if people wanted him in the thread. I wanted some clarification on the questions I asked. If I wanted to know who wanted Posey or not I would of made a poll do you want Posey YES/NO. I believe basketball is highly psychological sport. Posey definitely has a mentality I think we haven't had the pleasure to have in quite sometime.

focused444
10-17-2010, 12:50 AM
Posey is going to be crap until it matters. When its a big game or postseason he'll hit a couple of threes and get to the line, like he did Friday. Granted, Friday was not a big game. James is a different player than we've seen in recent memory.

James Posey for a change is a bench player that looks to distribute the ball to the post and play a lot of in and out action. That is a good thing. When the regular season comes around, he will begin to take charges. He may have lost a step or 647.88 in lateral quickness, but he will be nitty gritty when he is up front with his man and he will teach all the players a thing or two about certain players.

In a weird way, he's an extension of a good coach on the floor. He knows where to get the ball next and he knows perfectly what is a good shot for him and what is a bad shot for him.

For the downside, he can't shoot off the dribble or fill the lane in a fastbreak for **** because he just can't do that. He also doesn't rebound anymore and he can't stay in front of his man.

Of course everyone was saying that about Rasheed last year.

And I'll check the whole coach/DC/Posey thing out in the morning.

Some great stuff in your post. I should of mentioned this in the OP. I don't want to get too much into Posey the player as opposed to Posey's mentality.

You do seem to know a lot about evaluating players though, and your remark about him being an extension of the coach on the floor is exactly where I'm heading. He's a savvy vet, and he is not scared of the moment. On top of all this he seems to be able to communicate during live action with JOB. Which is something I can't name anyone who could.

BringJackBack
10-17-2010, 01:00 AM
Some great stuff in your post. I should of mentioned this in the OP. I don't want to get too much into Posey the player as opposed to Posey's mentality.

You do seem to know a lot about evaluating players though, and your remark about him being an extension of the coach on the floor is exactly where I'm heading. He's a savvy vet, and he is not scared of the moment. On top of all this he seem to be able to communicate during live action with JOB.

I mean, he's not an extension of the coach like Steve Nash or Rajon Rondo is. Rajon and Steve are your typical extensions of the coach that you will hear on TV alot or whatever.

But guys like Shane Battier, Grant Hill, and our very own James Posey are what I would call perfect role players. They know what they can and can't do and they don't force anything or they don't try to make difficult passes to get a top 10 sports center highlight. They are happy with the championship when its all said and done. They are extensions of the coach as they are going to get the ball to the best players and they are going to play by percentages and know when it is their time to step up.

James is vocal on the floor and he isn't backing down to anyone like Ron doesn't on the court. He's been through it all and he knows that at a home game vs. Minnesota there is no need for him to put in all of this effort if it is going to bring him down for the next three games before a couple days rest. But if we play Lakers on the road, he is going to play hard and he is going to try to do what players like him do.

It's amazing how he's turned himself into a journeyman into one of the 10 or so uber glue guys in the league. He's not really that as a player anymore, at all, but he'll have flashes during big games.

focused444
10-17-2010, 01:10 AM
I mean, he's not an extension of the coach like Steve Nash or Rajon Rondo is. Rajon and Steve are your typical extensions of the coach that you will hear on TV alot or whatever.

But guys like Shane Battier, Grant Hill, and our very own James Posey are what I would call perfect role players. They know what they can and can't do and they don't force anything or they don't try to make difficult passes to get a top 10 sports center highlight. They are happy with the championship when its all said and done. They are extensions of the coach as they are going to get the ball to the best players and they are going to play by percentages and know when it is their time to step up.

James is vocal on the floor and he isn't backing down to anyone like Ron doesn't on the court. He's been through it all and he knows that at a home game vs. Minnesota there is no need for him to put in all of this effort if it is going to bring him down for the next three games before a couple days rest. But if we play Lakers on the road, he is going to play hard and he is going to try to do what players like him do.

It's amazing how he's turned himself into a journeyman into one of the 10 or so uber glue guys in the league. He's not really that as a player anymore, at all, but he'll have flashes during big games.

Exactly! He's not a Nash type of extension, his skill set doesn't allow it, but if Collison/George/Lance or any Pacer even Granger is out of place (physically or mentally) he will direct them, or at least try. He's been in a lot of huge games, and he will show up in big moments. JOB already had him as the guy to take the two free throws. I think that's because of him not feeling pressure, not his skill. It's similar to when Ron took Danny under his wing. IMO every team needs a guy like this to speak up and direct the show even if the can't physically run it. I have complained about Rush's passive demeanor, and Posey is exactly the opposite, he's intense from a mental aspect.

CableKC
10-17-2010, 01:27 AM
Stupid question on my end.....when people say that a Player is a good "glue-guy", what does that mean?

Can someone provide me some examples of who is a good "glue-guy" and how that translates into action on the court?

focused444
10-17-2010, 01:42 AM
Everybody will have their own personal definition, but I will give you what I think it means. A "glue-guy" is another term for a person with great intangibles. Things like after a loss everybody is down, but not Posey. From what I've seen he probably rallies the troops, saying whatever he needs to say to rectify any situation.The aspect that makes these type of players special is it doesn't seem like pretentious leadership to the other players, they trust him. Lets say Collison is running a play wrong Posey will tell him right there on the court with the clock running where to go, and probably later too. Next time they will be better for it. It's a mentality of a guy who will do everything in his power to improve the totality of team. These things are immeasurable because you never know how much impact they're having. It's very much behind the scenes stuff. I don't think it's a coincidence Posey has been on championship teams. It's basically another way to say good locker room guy. I think Posey is more than that though because he has the respect of JOB in a different manner than I've seen previously.

Kuq_e_Zi91
10-17-2010, 02:22 AM
I noticed this as well, but I wasn't sure what the context was.

I also agree about Posey being a "glue-guy." Two seasons ago, I thought that was Jarrett Jack.

pacer4ever
10-17-2010, 02:30 AM
I still don't want Posey

me2

focused444
10-17-2010, 03:08 AM
me2

I am not implying Posey is a great addition on the court at this stage in career, but if Posey is getting minutes you will see him being effective at times. He is by no means un-tradeable from our stand point. If some team thinks they need him and the right deal is there I fully expect Larry to move him. I give you that. My point though was never about on the court issues much anyway. I think you're overlooking what he can provide as far as leadership. I could easily see a scenario where Lance, Paul, or any other Pacer needs guidance from Posey. I think it's extra beneficial for the young guys to be exposed to him at this point in their careers. I wouldn't be surprised if a couple season from now the Pacers (especially younger) players will acknowledge learning from him.

Do you not see it?

or

Do you not care?

Do me a favor, ask Lance what Posey means to the team as far as leadership when you see him again. I would love to hear his response.

Daniel33
10-17-2010, 03:15 AM
I like Posey he might be out of shape but he can fix this problem. He's a much needed veteran for our team who is willing to help the young players. The fact he tries to get the ball in the post more often is great because this was the Pacers eigther get Hibbert to work down low and score or Roy will pass the ball out to a guy waiting on the perimeter to shoot. I like the way he stays calm, while last year many guys on our team just took stupid shot after 5 seconds of ball-possesion. Im look forward to see how much of an impact he can make as a mentoring veteran and great locker room guy. It's great to see Posey disagrees with O'Brien on plays or tactics, seems like he doesn't like the "take the first shot you get" tactics. Don't hate on Posey I think he's a cool guy.

pacer4ever
10-17-2010, 03:17 AM
I am not implying Posey is a great addition on the court at this stage in career, but if Posey is getting minutes you will see him being effective at times. He is by no means un-tradeable from our stand point. If some team thinks they need him and the right deal is there I fully expect Larry to move him. I give you that. My point though was never about on the court issues much anyway. I think you're overlooking what he can provide as far as leadership. I could easily see a scenario where Lance, Paul, or any other Pacer needs guidance from Posey. I think it's extra beneficial for the young guys to be exposed to him at this point in their careers. I wouldn't be surprised if a couple season from now the Pacers (especially younger) players will acknowledge learning from him.

Do you not see it?

or

Do you not care?

Do me a favor, ask Lance what Posey means to the team as far as leadership when you see him again. I would love to hear his response.

ok he told me to catch him after the home opener

Kuq_e_Zi91
10-17-2010, 03:20 AM
I've always wanted a vet who made a name for himself with his defense to tag along with Brandon just to teach him a few old tricks, share some stories, strategies, workout routines, etc. Brandon has the tools to be one of the best defenders in the NBA and a vet like Posey can only help him reach that potential.

focused444
10-17-2010, 03:25 AM
I've always wanted a vet that made a name for himself with his defense to tag along with Brandon just to teach him a few old tricks, share some stories, strategies, workout routines, etc. Brandon has the tools to be one of the best defenders in the NBA and a vet like Posey can only help him reach that potential.

Interesting.

If Posey could "wake Rush up" to me that would define Posey's career as a Pacer.

Imagine Rush with Posey's mentality.

Mr_Smith
10-17-2010, 08:22 AM
James Posey has been getting a lot of heat around here lately. Personally I can't complain. I found myself in recent years wanting an old school vet who's cool under pressure, plays physical, gritty basketball. So now we have one, so I can't be mad. Posey will usually not look pretty when on the court, but I see something in Posey. Specifically, I saw something in Fridays game that I can't get out my head. James Posey is a "glue guy" on any team he plays for. It's just him.

Late in the 4th quarter the Pacers needed to inbound the ball up by one, they call timeout. They are expecting the Hornets to foul so the main focus of the time out is get the ball in bounds to the guy who we want to shoot two free throws (which turns out to be Posey but that's not the point). In the waning seconds of the time out the camera shifts over to Posey, JOB, and Collison standing around mid court. Posey was emphatically talking to JOB. He had his arms stretched out and was making a face at JOB that would suggest he disagreed or didn't understand what JOB was asking. Posey wasn't going to let this go. He was not going to do something he felt was wrong. So he replies with what appears to be his ideas on the current strategy. Even Collison steps up and chimes in his two cents, presumably agreeing with Posey. Whats even more interesting is JOB appears to concede to Posey, at least from the TV broadcast. Granted I don't attend games as frequent as many of you (I see the Pacers when they're in Denver) So I don't have the opportunity to see how everyone interacts. My question is when was the last time this team had a vet who seems to have JOB's ear? You can go back and look at the Fox Sports Indiana broadcast and see for yourself. I will admit this could all be a miss-communication, and Posey just didn't know the play for example, but this is what I feel I saw, and I wish I didn't delete the broadcast so I could watch it again before posting this. I think Posey has JOB's attention because of his innate semi-tactful leadership.

1. Am I over blowing this? Maybe I am, but I have watched as many Pacer games as possible on NBALP, and I don't remember a guy that could discuss strategy with JOB in the way Posey appeared to do.

2. Have players been vocal with JOB during his tenure? Something tells me JOB doesn't take advice from TJ or Rush.

3. If so who?

4. If a player in the past has been vocal with JOB does he appear to listen?

5. Is this demonstrative leadership style from Posey negative for the young guys going forward?

I especially love Posey for this because Collison was right behind him, and the PG, if no one else, needs to be able to communicate, and be heard.

6. Did anyone else see this?

I understand how some could be down on Posey. I was never a huge fan of his when he played anywhere else, and still don't know too much about him. Maybe he becomes a conduit for player coach communication. Something every team needs. I don't think it matters one bit to Posey what team he's on, who the coach is, or who his teammates are. He is going to speak and be heard, and that's intangible.


I noticed Posey in that time-out and it was great! I haven't seen that in a LONG time. And to the Posey haters: I would rather have a 2-time NBA Champion veteran that can shoot the three than having Troy Murphy! Its amazing that we finally get somebody on this team that has won before but fans still don't want him.

Mr_Smith
10-17-2010, 08:27 AM
Stupid question on my end.....when people say that a Player is a good "glue-guy", what does that mean?

Can someone provide me some examples of who is a good "glue-guy" and how that translates into action on the court?

Leadership skills, communication..something that has been lacking the last 3-4years.

D-BONE
10-17-2010, 08:44 AM
Can we realistically expect to be able to move Posey anyway? I kind of feel like we're "stuck with him", as those who aren't thrilled with JP might say. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now and see how he plays out. I'm cautiously optimistic that he can add some of the intangibles and leadership his proponents contend he brings. I cannot deny that he's old and slow. I can accept those drawbacks if he contributes in other ways.

TooBigNdaPaint
10-17-2010, 08:48 AM
James Posey demonstrated in the Hornets game exactly why several 'contending' teams will want him for this year. He hit the BIG 3pt shots, MADE both critical FREE throws in the waning seconds, and provided veteran leadership during the timeout prior to the in-bounds pass by providing JOB a sounding board. And, you know that he won't BACK DOWN from anybody on the court like Ron-Ron. He's exactly the kind of player we need on the team to teach the young guys how to carry themselves. We DON'T need passive type leaders like Danny Granger or even the pud named Dun-Dun. I, personally, like the warrior types on the court. Even McBob exhibits this warrior trait when he's on the court as does Lance Stephenson. Paul George and Brandon Rush are both extremely laid back and I'm not sure if they're 'competitive' enough to have the killer instinct that elite NBA players all have. They will both, however, follow REAL leadership and Posey is providing it right now. I really do EXPECT some elite NBA team to come calling and try to ACQUIRE Posey from the Pacers for peanuts. The Celtics would love to have him back on their team. He would also be a good fit on the Spurs or Heat teams. We'll see whether LB keeps him to mentor our young guys or trades him for the best offer. If LB wants to WIN games this year (as they all say), he'll keep James Posey on this team.

IndyHoya
10-17-2010, 09:05 AM
James Posey demonstrated in the Hornets game exactly why several 'contending' teams will want him for this year. He hit the BIG 3pt shots, MADE both critical FREE throws in the waning seconds, and provided veteran leadership during the timeout prior to the in-bounds pass by providing JOB a sounding board. And, you know that he won't BACK DOWN from anybody on the court like Ron-Ron. He's exactly the kind of player we need on the team to teach the young guys how to carry themselves. We DON'T need passive type leaders like Danny Granger or even the pud named Dun-Dun. I, personally, like the warrior types on the court. Even McBob exhibits this warrior trait when he's on the court as does Lance Stephenson. Paul George and Brandon Rush are both extremely laid back and I'm not sure if they're 'competitive' enough to have the killer instinct that elite NBA players all have. They will both, however, follow REAL leadership and Posey is providing it right now. I really do EXPECT some elite NBA team to come calling and try to ACQUIRE Posey from the Pacers for peanuts. The Celtics would love to have him back on their team. He would also be a good fit on the Spurs or Heat teams. We'll see whether LB keeps him to mentor our young guys or trades him for the best offer. If LB wants to WIN games this year (as they all say), he'll keep James Posey on this team.

You're right about JP's NO game. He played very well. Up to then he didn't look so good. I don't know about the warrior mentality tho. Too early to tell. But I agree that the Pacers could use some of that. Let's hope he brings more of the same juice that he had against NO in coming games. If he does, I think the fan base will embrace him.

Justin Tyme
10-17-2010, 10:19 AM
I have no problem with JP being a Pacer, I'm just not enthralled with his contract. If he can mentor and give leadership to the young'ns, that's great. You need vet presence on a team, and he can be that. I'm not sure Foster is that much of a vet presence, but if Foster is, then it's nice to have another with CHAMPIONSHIP experience to share with others. JP has 2 championship rings from 2 different teams under 2 "pretty fair" coaches. The only person in the Pacers franchise with more championship rings is Bird. They do both have championship rings with the Celtics.

jeffg-body
10-17-2010, 10:35 AM
I don't get all of the Posey hating out there. Did we really expect to get the 2004 version of Posey? Yes, he's older and slower but that was the price we paid to get Collison. To me he is a 5-15 minute role player who can hit a big shot and remain composed at the end of the game when it matters. I know his contract is bloated but you can't blame him for that. If someone offered me a raise like that would I say, "no thanks, I don't deserve that kind of cash"?

Brad8888
10-17-2010, 10:45 AM
I wasn't able to watch the New Orleans game due to the Fox vs. DISH dispute.

So, the consensus is that Posey, in combination with Collison, stood up to O'Brien and helped get things changed at the end of the game? Please tell me that is actually so!!!!

If that is so, Posey just became the second most valuable veteran presence on the entire team, especially if he brings savvy and sanity to the management of games, especially during end of game situations. That would be a change in dynamics that could potentially alter the outcome of games that the Pacers would ordinarily lose due to mismanagement and lack of recognition of game flow that has plagued the franchise throughout O'Brien's time here.

I could quickly learn to like Posey if this is part of his repertoire!

And, if a side effect of this is that Collison is listened to more than a second year player normally would be due to having been Posey's teammate last year, that would help as well, assuming Collison doesn't actually want to play the game the way O'Brien has designed it offensively, giving some additional hope to better offensive execution from the pg position than we have seen in the past.

BringJackBack
10-17-2010, 12:05 PM
I watched the fourth quarter and wow.. Jim's facial expression was simathetic and he was fully engaged into what DC and Posey were saying. I've never seen that. Usually his expression is cold and whatever.

Really?
10-17-2010, 12:34 PM
I like what Posey brings to the team, something that every team needs to get, that veteran leadership and a understanding of what it takes to be a good team in the NBA. One of the problems with the pacers is that it seems like we never really have the structure of a GOOD team in the NBA, sometimes it looks like we don't even take it as serious as most teams. Granted that this has to do a lot with the coach but it a lot has to do a lot with the players mentalities, you can only blame so much on the coach.

Not only does he bring that championship mentality he also comes up big in key moments... Just my take, I think he will really help out in the development of our YOUNG players

Peck
10-17-2010, 01:01 PM
I was at the game and I was on the opposite end of the court for the 2nd half so I did not see the conversation between O'Brien and Posey.

However I do want to mention one thing that we did notice from our regular seats in the first half.

James Posey talks on defense & I mean talks a lot on defense to his fellow defenders.

He was calling out spots on the floor and it became pretty obvious quickly that he understands Jim's defensive scheme and was telling people were to be at on the floor and yelling for the switch.

Also I want to point out that this guy has already guarded 4 of the 5 spots on the floor for extended time by design.

The only position I have yet to see him guard, without it being a switch on defense, is the point guard position other than that he has defended everything else.

My only fear is that Jim will over use him.

I still don't like his lack of rebounding and his offense that only consists of parking at the three point line, but in short bursts I think he would be fine.

ChristianDudley
10-17-2010, 01:27 PM
Personally I don't mind Posey being on the team. This season he may not get all that many minutes with all the other wings we have on the team, but he provides lots of experience and verteran leadership. When he plays, he plays smart. He has also shown here in the preseason that he can still nail the 3 and hit his free-throws. I'm fine with having Posey on the team as we could certainly do much much worse...for instance, what if we could have Rasho Nesterovic...FML!!!!!

Sookie
10-17-2010, 01:53 PM
I don't mind Posey on the team either, but I just don't want him on the court (kinda like Ford.) Sure seems like Posey's not a bad coach though. That's probably more useful than anything. :laugh:

Pacers4Life
10-17-2010, 02:58 PM
Do me a favor, ask Lance what Posey means to the team as far as leadership when you see him again. I would love to hear his response.

HA-HA... that was awesome. I had a comment about James Posey suring the preseason... He had some damn good days shooting and it made me notice. And it made me think.

I ****in agree with everything thats been said about him basically. Not much more to add. I think if used appropriately Posey can really help this team as a leader. However I do see his defficiencies and I can see him also being a HUGE liability if he's mismatched on the court. This will be up to JOB to make the right calls... which he did on Friday. Posey will not shy away from that ball in tight games late. Besides maybe Danny (whom to be honest I don't have quite the faith in him I'd like to) I can't name a player we've had in a while who was like this.

Oh god, except maybe Stephen Jackson, Jamaal Tinsley, and Jermaine O'Neal... god that was awful wasn't it? The Dark Days are gone

focused444
10-17-2010, 03:18 PM
HA-HA... that was awesome. I had a comment about James Posey suring the preseason... He had some damn good days shooting and it made me notice. And it made me think.

I ****in agree with everything thats been said about him basically. Not much more to add. I think if used appropriately Posey can really help this team as a leader. However I do see his defficiencies and I can see him also being a HUGE liability if he's mismatched on the court. This will be up to JOB to make the right calls... which he did on Friday. Posey will not shy away from that ball in tight games late. Besides maybe Danny (whom to be honest I don't have quite the faith in him I'd like to) I can't name a player we've had in a while who was like this.

Oh god, except maybe Stephen Jackson, Jamaal Tinsley, and Jermaine O'Neal... god that was awful wasn't it? The Dark Days are gone

What makes it even better is I think Posey is, and can't help but being a leader, where those guys were demonstrative naturally and had bad attitudes in general. Where in Posey's case he is respected for his knowledge and voice.

Naptown_Seth
10-17-2010, 04:15 PM
Stupid question on my end.....when people say that a Player is a good "glue-guy", what does that mean?

Can someone provide me some examples of who is a good "glue-guy" and how that translates into action on the court?
For me a player like Rush is a glue guy, though in his case not in the full manner that includes personality issues. But with on-court action it means filling spaces that need to be filled, cutting off guys enough for others to recover, resetting your dribble to make a pass, making yourself available to help bail out a guy in trouble or for the post guy to kick and repost with, and running the court ahead of the play to drag defenders toward the baseline and stretch out the defense for your teammates to work against.

These things don't have stats, but they keep the defense or offense moving and productive.


Typically a glue guy has very high game awareness. People mistake Rush's unselfishness for low awareness. I scouted this as his biggest fault, all glue and unselfish and low levels of aggressiveness. An oddity by the measure of most NBA prospects.


The reason you like a smart vet, especially one who's been on winning teams, is that he's learned the tricks to coming up with key plays down the stretch.




BTW, does this strike anyone as similar to Jack going off, getting the boot, then becoming the starter the next game and for the rest of the year. I know it's just more JOB bashing from me, but it does seem like some of the "gamers" do clash with his strategy and choices, and often it falls in favor of the player being correct or saying what needs to be said.

I don't want the coach to have to listen, I want the coach to say things so smart and deliver the message so well that the players are captivated and then produce outstanding results following the coaching. I want an open-minded coach, but a great coach should be smarter than his players in a way that it's obvious to them that this is the case.

pacer4ever
10-17-2010, 04:40 PM
I don't mind Posey on the team either, but I just don't want him on the court (kinda like Ford.) Sure seems like Posey's not a bad coach though. That's probably more useful than anything. :laugh:

lol 15mill dollar bench warmers lol i bet the Simons love that LOL

CableKC
10-17-2010, 09:35 PM
For me a player like Rush is a glue guy, though in his case not in the full manner that includes personality issues. But with on-court action it means filling spaces that need to be filled, cutting off guys enough for others to recover, resetting your dribble to make a pass, making yourself available to help bail out a guy in trouble or for the post guy to kick and repost with, and running the court ahead of the play to drag defenders toward the baseline and stretch out the defense for your teammates to work against.

These things don't have stats, but they keep the defense or offense moving and productive.

Typically a glue guy has very high game awareness. People mistake Rush's unselfishness for low awareness. I scouted this as his biggest fault, all glue and unselfish and low levels of aggressiveness. An oddity by the measure of most NBA prospects.


The reason you like a smart vet, especially one who's been on winning teams, is that he's learned the tricks to coming up with key plays down the stretch.

Thanks, in regard to JP...do you see anything of what focused444 has mentioned?

But this kind of leads to what Peck mentioned when it come to heavily relying on JP as the season ( and seasonS ) progresses as he appears to be the type of Coach that relies upon vets that know how to execute his "plan' while making less mistakes.

Other then JP and BRush...any other "glue guys" on the Team?

My guess is that guys like Dunleavy and Foster due to their "hi basketball IQ".

BringJackBack
10-17-2010, 09:41 PM
Stupid question on my end.....when people say that a Player is a good "glue-guy", what does that mean?

Can someone provide me some examples of who is a good "glue-guy" and how that translates into action on the court?

One more thing.. There is no such thing as a stupid question. ;)