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Hibbert
10-14-2010, 04:45 PM
http://twitter.com/MikeWellsNBA/status/27370634471
Pacers offering Solomon and Dahntay Jones when they talk to teams about 2-for-1 trade scenarios as they try to trim the roster to 15 players

docpaul
10-14-2010, 04:49 PM
Pacers offering Solo & D. Jones when they talk to teams about 2-for-1 trade scenarios as they try to trim the roster to 15 players

Geez, talk about a tempting platter. :) We'd have to take on a bad contract to make this one work.

pacer4ever
10-14-2010, 04:51 PM
i knew they would be the 2

pacer4ever
10-14-2010, 04:54 PM
Geez, talk about a tempting platter. :) We'd have to take on a bad contract to make this one work.

Not really i bet they bulls will do this they need a 2. Tom Thibodeau loves D. I bet we can get it done for a player to be named later or a 2rd draft pick because they have cap room. Im sure somee team would love to have Djones he is a solid player

Trophy
10-14-2010, 04:54 PM
Not a bad deal for whoever get the 2 Jones boys.

I'm sure Bird is going to ask about trying to acquire a big man only.

Trophy
10-14-2010, 04:57 PM
Not really i bet they bulls will do this they need a 2. Tom Thibodeau loves D. I bet we can get it done for a player to be named later or a 2rd draft pick because they have cap room. Im sure somee team would love to have Djones he is a solid player

I wouldn't mind getting Taj Gibson, but I don't know if Chicago is willing to trade him away from Dahntay and Solo.

With Boozer, I don't know why Chicago really wants Gibson if all he's going to do is come off the bench.

Peck
10-14-2010, 04:59 PM
I wouldn't mind getting Taj Gibson, but I don't know if Chicago is willing to trade him away from Dahntay and Solo.

With Boozer, I don't know why Chicago really wants Gibson if all he's going to do is come off the bench.

Maybe if you ask nicely enough you can get D. Rose for Brandon Rush while your dreaming.

Hicks
10-14-2010, 05:01 PM
Would Brandon Rush + Solo get us Jason Thompson, and if yes, should we?

BornReady
10-14-2010, 05:02 PM
I wouldn't mind getting Taj Gibson, but I don't know if Chicago is willing to trade him away from Dahntay and Solo.

With Boozer, I don't know why Chicago really wants Gibson if all he's going to do is come off the bench.

I don't think we'd be able to get Taj right now because Boozer is injured and out for a little while.

BornReady
10-14-2010, 05:03 PM
Would Brandon Rush + Solo get us Jason Thompson, and if yes, should we?

Yes, and don't look back while we run away laughing!

Trophy
10-14-2010, 05:04 PM
Would Brandon Rush + Solo get us Jason Thompson, and if yes, should we?

I was thinking the same thing.

We trade Brandon, Dahntay and Solo for Jason Thompson and Marcus Landry (just as a salary throw in).

Trophy
10-14-2010, 05:05 PM
Maybe if you ask nicely enough you can get D. Rose for Brandon Rush while your dreaming.

Taj Gibson's value isn't more than Dahntay and Solo, IMO.

xBulletproof
10-14-2010, 05:06 PM
You guys are expecting way too much in return.

Trophy
10-14-2010, 05:07 PM
You guys are expecting way too much in return.

It's not too much.

xBulletproof
10-14-2010, 05:10 PM
It's not too much.

You're right. Teams just line up to trade promising young PF's for scrubs at the end of a teams bench that can't make the playoffs. Which of the 2 players they'd recieve, one will be released soon and could be had for free otherwise anyway if no trade is made.

Sure, keep dreaming.

jhondog28
10-14-2010, 05:10 PM
Hey guys how about Foster and Solo for D Rose and Taj?

Peck
10-14-2010, 05:12 PM
Taj Gibson's value isn't more than Dahntay and Solo, IMO.

I see....

Trophy
10-14-2010, 05:15 PM
You're right. Teams just line up to trade promising young PF's for scrubs at the end of a teams bench that can't make the playoffs. Which of the 2 players they'd recieve, one will be released soon and could be had for free otherwise anyway if no trade is made.

Sure, keep dreaming.

It's not like I'm mentioning getting a guy like Blake Griffin or something.

These players being brought up won't have much of a role with their team anyway.

These are just some names being mentioned.

You think Taj Gibson is some kind of dream player?

Brad8888
10-14-2010, 05:20 PM
Maybe San Antonio would take a flyer on the Kobe stopper if we throw Rush in instead of Solo, and send us back something decent as a one year rental in return.

Hibbert
10-14-2010, 05:20 PM
Jason Thompson works, so does Reggie Evans, Kris Humphries, and Hakim Warrick. The last three are more likely to happen than Thompson but I love his game. Kris Humphries anyone?

xBulletproof
10-14-2010, 05:23 PM
You think Taj Gibson is some kind of dream player?

No, but he was a productive 10 point and 8 rebound player as a rookie. Solo has never done anything in his entire career. Dahntay started on a playoff team when he was forbidden from shooting the ball. Since then he's become a complete disruption to the offense, and while a scrappy defender, Bruce Bowen he is not.

Why would a team trying to contend for a title trade away front line depth for scrubs? Especially when one of them could be had for the vet minimum without any loss of depth after the Pacers release them. It just makes no sense.

Taj Gibson showed 10x more than Hansbrough did, and he doesn't carry the injury worry of a shot to the head like Tyler. Yet, I wouldn't even trade Tyler for those 2. It's not that Taj is a "dream player", it's more that you're giving up guys who barely play, and expect to receive a player who played very well his rookie year. Terribly unrealistic.

Hibbert
10-14-2010, 05:24 PM
Yi Jianlian and Julian Wright work as well. These two as well as Evans, Humphries, Warrick, and Thompson all work financially and all are in the last year of their contracts.

Trophy
10-14-2010, 05:24 PM
Jason Thompson works, so does Reggie Evans, Kris Humphries, and Hakim Warrick. The last three are more likely to happen than Thompson but I love his game. Kris Humphries anyone?

Humphries would give us some PF depth behind Josh and Tyler. I'd bring him in for a season.

Justin Tyme
10-14-2010, 05:26 PM
Would Brandon Rush + Solo get us Jason Thompson, and if yes, should we?


Only in my fantasies!

In this scenario, I'd be willing to throw in the 011 #1 and Lorbek/Stanko. I'd love seeing Jason Thompson in a Pacers uni!!

spreedom
10-14-2010, 05:26 PM
We couldn't get Taj unless we offered one of Danny, Darren, Hibbert or PG24. And ain't no way we're doing that. Honestly, those four are probably the only players we have that would interest a team like Chicago whatsoever.

Deadshot
10-14-2010, 05:28 PM
Jason Thompson works, so does Reggie Evans, Kris Humphries, and Hakim Warrick. The last three are more likely to happen than Thompson but I love his game. Kris Humphries anyone?

Why would the Suns even consider trading Warrick? They lost two of their best rebounders in Amundson and Stoudamire and replaced them with Hedo and Hakim. You've seen how capable Solo is on the glass.

Justin Tyme
10-14-2010, 05:30 PM
You think Taj Gibson is some kind of dream player?



If Taj Gibson was in a Pacers uni, you'd be changing your moniker from Trophy to Taj. He is a real nice young player. Ask James Johnson!

spreedom
10-14-2010, 05:31 PM
Jason Thompson works, so does Reggie Evans, Kris Humphries, and Hakim Warrick. The last three are more likely to happen than Thompson but I love his game. Kris Humphries anyone?


I don't think Warrick can be traded until December as he was a free agent signing by the Suns. Or is he eligible (was he signed/traded)?

And sign me up for either Evans or Hump. Both are hard workers.

imawhat
10-14-2010, 05:32 PM
None of the suggested players give the Pacers more value at the 4 than they currently have IMO. You wouldn't like Thompson and Gibson as much if you saw them play regularly.

CooperManning
10-14-2010, 05:34 PM
You think Taj Gibson is some kind of dream player?

He's not a dream player, but he's a first-round PF entering his second year after putting up 9 pts/7.5 reb/1.3 blk/.494 FG% in his rookie season (started 70 games, played 82). Certainly worth more than a backup veteran wing and Solo, at best the 12th man on any roster.

Pacers#1Fan
10-14-2010, 05:35 PM
If that's all we're offering realistically we'll get a role player and a future second round pick.

BillS
10-14-2010, 05:38 PM
None of the suggested players give the Pacers more value at the 4 than they currently have IMO. You wouldn't like Thompson and Gibson as much if you saw them play regularly.

We're trading for an end-of-bench player so we don't have to cut Rolle or one of the other players. I think value is a plus if we get it but otherwise it's just a 15th man.

90'sNBARocked
10-14-2010, 05:40 PM
http://twitter.com/MikeWellsNBA/status/27370634471
Pacers offering Solomon and Dahntay Jones when they talk to teams about 2-for-1 trade scenarios as they try to trim the roster to 15 players

More earth shattering news from Wells again :rolleyes:

How about some potential teams Mike

xBulletproof
10-14-2010, 05:41 PM
If that's all we're offering realistically we'll get a role player and a future second round pick.

I'd be happy with a human being who can run, and has an expiring contract.

90'sNBARocked
10-14-2010, 05:41 PM
Not really i bet they bulls will do this they need a 2. Tom Thibodeau loves D. I bet we can get it done for a player to be named later or a 2rd draft pick because they have cap room. Im sure somee team would love to have Djones he is a solid player

Bulls don't need a 2

They have Ronnie Brewer, CJ Watson and Kyle Korver

Hibbert
10-14-2010, 05:42 PM
Why would the Suns even consider trading Warrick? They lost two of their best rebounders in Amundson and Stoudamire and replaced them with Hedo and Hakim. You've seen how capable Solo is on the glass.

I was just throwing out some names man, calm down. Who knows if anyone of those teams would even consider I was simply looking at a few options. New Jersey would have nothing to lose by giving us Humphries though.

pacers74
10-14-2010, 05:42 PM
I would love to get a starting quality player out of a trade, but any 2 for 1 trade where we don't take on any more salary will work. It looks like Bird really wants to keep Magnum.

90'sNBARocked
10-14-2010, 05:43 PM
Would Brandon Rush + Solo get us Jason Thompson, and if yes, should we?

Actually and I am guessing here

They might be more inclined to take Jones over Rush only because they might be more familiar with him playing previously in Denver and having a reputation as a Kobe stopper

90'sNBARocked
10-14-2010, 05:44 PM
You're right. Teams just line up to trade promising young PF's for scrubs at the end of a teams bench that can't make the playoffs. Which of the 2 players they'd recieve, one will be released soon and could be had for free otherwise anyway if no trade is made.

Sure, keep dreaming.

Well weed is legal in Northern California

90'sNBARocked
10-14-2010, 05:47 PM
Im being serious here but I still cant believe it is that hard to trade TJ. he is a decent PG and would make a good back up and most importantly his 8 million comes off the books at the end of the year

also saw a twitter saying Tinsley offered contract in China, must be hooking up with Maurberry

pacer4ever
10-14-2010, 05:49 PM
If we trade solo we need a big body to play backup minutes at the 5. I like taj but we have a ton of players who can play the 4.

foster? foster is already the backup center solo is 3rd string

Pacers#1Fan
10-14-2010, 05:50 PM
I'd be happy with a human being who can run, and has an expiring contract.

If that's the case I want Maurice Ager, only because I love Jager and his nickname was "Ager Bomb" at Michigan State. I'm not sure if his contract with the T-Wolves is guaranteed or not, nor do I really care, I just think that would be sweet.
:toomuch:

pacer4ever
10-14-2010, 05:51 PM
Actually and I am guessing here

They might be more inclined to take Jones over Rush only because they might be more familiar with him playing previously in Denver and having a reputation as a Kobe stopper

lol no they would hang up om us lol the kings are rebuliding they dont need Djones or Brush they really like Thompson it would take a lot to get him

MyFavMartin
10-14-2010, 05:52 PM
I'd think Denver might be interested in Solo due to their PF issues, but I'm not sure they'd want Dahntay as he's replicated to Affalo... PLUS Denver's over the cap, so maybe if we helped them shed some salary, they might take one or both, but I don't see a trade based on their salaries. Maybe bring in a third team.

beast23
10-14-2010, 05:52 PM
Humphries would give us some PF depth behind Josh and Tyler. I'd bring him in for a season.The thing is, we don't want depth behind McRoberts and Tyler. The two of them may not be any better than backups themselves! Therefore, we don't want a backup to back up a backup... we want a player that is good enough to start ahead of them.

Thompson had a solid year of experience during his rookie year. He got a lot of minutes each game and averaged nearly a double-double. Anyone in the league would look at him and be confident that his career will consist of being no worse than the first big off the bench. It is hvery likely that he will settle in somewhere and start for years at PF, while also being able to slide over and play center when required.

Other than going after a bigger name that is a solid veteran PF, Thompson would be my #1 target among young PFs. But it will take a hell of a lot more than some combination of Rush, DJones and SJones. Bird might get a call back to start discussions if he mentioned Rush, a draft choice and either Hansbrough or McRoberts.

But, how many of you would be willing to forego seeing how much Hansbrough or McRoberts might improve this season in order to get Thompson now?

But no matter what, a combination of DJones and SJones will get us nothing usable.

pacer4ever
10-14-2010, 05:53 PM
Bulls don't need a 2

They have Ronnie Brewer, CJ Watson and Kyle Korver

They are looking to upgrade at the two but Djones isnt the upgrade but i think they could use him

Kegboy
10-14-2010, 05:55 PM
Please tell me that means the Jones' happen to be two of the names we throw out when talking to teams, not that we're actually expecting someone to want to take both of them, let alone give us something in return? Even if somebody wants to dump a bad contract, they still have to swallow three years of Dahntay in return.

I'm just going to stick my fingers in my ears and pretend that we're offering teams Rush and whichever Jones they want.

:notlisten

pacer4ever
10-14-2010, 05:56 PM
Please tell me that means the Jones' happen to be two of the names we throw out when talking to teams, not that we're actually expecting someone to want to take both of them, let alone give us something in return? Even if somebody wants to dump a bad contract, they still have to swallow three years of Dahntay in return.

I'm just going to stick my fingers in my ears and pretend that we're offering teams Rush and whichever Jones they want.

:notlisten

Djones deal is not a bad one lol

CableKC
10-14-2010, 05:59 PM
Jason Thompson works, so does Reggie Evans, Kris Humphries, and Hakim Warrick. The last three are more likely to happen than Thompson but I love his game. Kris Humphries anyone?
Nah....we have a similar version of Kris Humphries....McBob, the Man...the legend. ;)

90'sNBARocked
10-14-2010, 05:59 PM
They are looking to upgrade at the two but Djones isnt the upgrade but i think they could use him

Oh I agree they could use him , and think he would floursih under a tough defensive mind like Tom Tibbedau

Its just currently they are already there with SG

HeliumFear
10-14-2010, 06:02 PM
We're gonna get jack if all we're offering is that slush. I bet they're offering Rush instead of D.Jones and keeping it hush hush.

CableKC
10-14-2010, 06:03 PM
I think it's safer to assume that we will either get a "2 Players for an Expiring Warm Body" or a "2 Player for 1 Player with a slightly bigger 2 year contract" type deal.

My guess is that we're going to get the latter.

Kegboy
10-14-2010, 06:03 PM
Djones deal is not a bad one lol

Maybe, maybe not, but it's not a salary dump if most of the salary you get back in return you have to keep paying for 3 years.

pacer4ever
10-14-2010, 06:06 PM
Maybe, maybe not, but it's not a salary dump if most of the salary you get back in return you have to keep paying for 3 years.

3m per year for a guy who can shut down kobe im sure som one is wlling to pay.

Raja Bell is starting in utah and that all he does is play solid D

CableKC
10-14-2010, 06:26 PM
Djones deal is not a bad one lol
He's owed the following:

2010-2011 : $2.5 mil
2011-2012 : $2.7 mil
2012-2013 : $2.9 mil ( Player option )

He's owed approximately $8.1 mil in guaranteed $$$. I have no doubt that Teams would be interested in Inferno as a Player...but I would think that Teams may have reservations about his accompanying contract.

CableKC
10-14-2010, 06:29 PM
Solo + Inferno = $4 mil in 2010-2011 Salary / Total guaranteed $$$ owed to both Players is $9.6 mil ( Inferno has a 3 year deal where the 3rd year is a Player Option whereas Solo is owed $1.5 mil )

Assuming that we would do a straight up "2 for 1" deal....with $4 mil in salary owed to both Solo and Inferno in 2010-2011, this means that we would have to take back ( at the very least ) $3.3 mil to ( at most ) $4.9 mil in 2010-2011 Salary.

Below are the Players that are owed that much $$$ in 2010-2011:

Antonio Mcdyess - $4,860,000
Marcus Banks - $4,847,586
Darius Songaila - $4,818,000
Martell Webster - $4,800,000
Ronnie Brewer - $4,790,000
James Jones - $4,640,000
Jarrett Jack - $4,600,000
Ronny Turiaf - $4,500,000
Brad Miller - $4,400,000
Kendrick Perkins - $4,390,208
Darko Milicic - $4,325,000
Matt Carroll - $4,300,000
Nikola Pekovic - $4,275,000
Zaza Pachulia - $4,251,250
Hakim Warrick - $4,250,000
Randy Foye - $4,250,000
Nate Robinson - $4,200,000
DeShawn Stevenson - $4,151,786
Yi Jianlian - $4,050,499
Daniel Gibson - $4,015,334
Luke Ridnour - $4,000,000
Anthony Morrow - $4,000,000
Brandon Bass - $4,000,000
Steve Blake - $4,000,000
Willie Green - $3,976,000
Ramon Sessions - $3,964,320
Chris Andersen - $3,942,000
Charlie Bell - $3,851,440
Jordan Farmar - $3,750,000
Corey Brewer - $3,703,472
C.J. Miles - $3,700,000
Derek Fisher - $3,700,000
CJ Watson - $3,600,000
Dorell Wright - $3,540,000
Chris Duhon - $3,500,000
Carlos Delfino - $3,500,000
Udonis Haslem - $3,500,000
Shaun Livingston - $3,500,000
Brandan Wright - $3,398,072
Kelenna Azubuike - $3,364,000
Joel Anthony - $3,300,000

Being realistic....I took out Players like DeMarcus Cousins, Russell Westbrook, Marc Gasol, Hasheem Thabeet, etc ( basically top prospects for Teams ) that Teams won't move. As to whether Teams would actually consider moving any of the above Players, I have no clue ( and would doubt it for most cases )....the above is just a list of Players that has a salary that would work in a "2 for 1" deal involving Solo+Inferno.

Rogco
10-14-2010, 06:29 PM
Not really i bet they bulls will do this they need a 2. Tom Thibodeau loves D. I bet we can get it done for a player to be named later or a 2rd draft pick because they have cap room. Im sure somee team would love to have Djones he is a solid player

I'm assuming 2rd = turd. In which case I agree.

Gamble1
10-14-2010, 06:32 PM
He's owed the following:

2010-2011 : $2.5 mil
2011-2012 : $2.7 mil
2012-2013 : $2.9 mil ( Player option )

He's owed approximately $8.1 mil in guaranteed $$$. I have no doubt that Teams would be interested in Inferno as a Player...but I would think that Teams may have reservations about his accompanying contract.
Of course we have the FA market this summer telling us different.

Essentially we are talking about a back up sg salary when looking at those numbers. Thats not unreasonable IMO when combine with Solos expiring.

pacer4ever
10-14-2010, 06:32 PM
I'm assuming 2rd = turd. In which case I agree.

2 round

pacer4ever
10-14-2010, 06:35 PM
Solo + Inferno = $4 mil in 2010-2011 Salary / Total guaranteed $$$ owed to both Players is $9.6 mil ( Inferno has a 3 year deal where the 3rd year is a Player Option whereas Solo is owed $1.5 mil )

Assuming that we would do a straight up "2 for 1" deal....with $4 mil in salary owed to both Solo and Inferno in 2010-2011, this means that we would have to take back ( at the very least ) $3.3 mil to ( at most ) $4.9 mil in 2010-2011 Salary.

Below are the Players that are owed that much $$$ in 2010-2011:

Antonio Mcdyess - $4,860,000
Marcus Banks - $4,847,586
Darius Songaila - $4,818,000
Martell Webster - $4,800,000
Ronnie Brewer - $4,790,000
James Jones - $4,640,000
Jarrett Jack - $4,600,000
Ronny Turiaf - $4,500,000
Brad Miller - $4,400,000
Kendrick Perkins - $4,390,208
Darko Milicic - $4,325,000
Matt Carroll - $4,300,000
Nikola Pekovic - $4,275,000
Zaza Pachulia - $4,251,250
Hakim Warrick - $4,250,000
Randy Foye - $4,250,000
Nate Robinson - $4,200,000
DeShawn Stevenson - $4,151,786
Yi Jianlian - $4,050,499
Daniel Gibson - $4,015,334
Luke Ridnour - $4,000,000
Anthony Morrow - $4,000,000
Brandon Bass - $4,000,000
Steve Blake - $4,000,000
Willie Green - $3,976,000
Ramon Sessions - $3,964,320
Chris Andersen - $3,942,000
Charlie Bell - $3,851,440
Jordan Farmar - $3,750,000
Corey Brewer - $3,703,472
C.J. Miles - $3,700,000
Derek Fisher - $3,700,000
CJ Watson - $3,600,000
Dorell Wright - $3,540,000
Chris Duhon - $3,500,000
Carlos Delfino - $3,500,000
Udonis Haslem - $3,500,000
Shaun Livingston - $3,500,000
Brandan Wright - $3,398,072
Kelenna Azubuike - $3,364,000
Joel Anthony - $3,300,000

Being realistic....I took out Players like DeMarcus Cousins, Russell Westbrook, Marc Gasol, Hasheem Thabeet, etc ( basically top prospects for Teams ) that Teams won't move. As to whether Teams would actually consider moving any of the above Players, I have no clue ( and would doubt it for most cases )....the above is just a list of Players that has a salary that would work in a "2 for 1" deal involving Solo+Inferno.

some teams have cap room so we could do 2 for a pick or 1 for a pick

OakMoses
10-14-2010, 06:37 PM
Here's a list of non-starting bigs with salaries that would work in a trade for DJ/SJ. It's a pretty underwhelming list once you consider that most of the teams would have very little use for DJ/SJ.

Zaza Pachulia - ATL
Kris Humphries - NJ
Darius Songalia - PHI
Jason Maxiell - DET
Reggie Evans - TOR
Yi Jianlian - WAS
Ronny Turiaf - NY
Nenad Kristic - OKC
Antonio McDyess - SA
Chris Andersen - DEN

My guess is that Songaila or Evans would be the best matches. The most interesting to me real possibility would be Kristic, but it would certainly take more than just our 2 man poo-poo platter to get OKC to bite. Kristic would be a really nice 15 mpg fill-in for Roy and we wouldn't have to change the offense a ton when he came in.

BornReady
10-14-2010, 06:38 PM
I wouldn't mind getting Turiaf

pacer4ever
10-14-2010, 06:39 PM
I wouldn't mind getting Turiaf

that wont happen he is probly starting in NY

QuickRelease
10-14-2010, 06:43 PM
We couldn't get Taj unless we offered one of Danny, Darren, Hibbert or PG24. And ain't no way we're doing that. Honestly, those four are probably the only players we have that would interest a team like Chicago whatsoever.Seriously? Taj Gibson's value is Danny Granger? Darren Collison? Roy Hibbert?

BringJackBack
10-14-2010, 06:43 PM
Solo is any other D League big. If a team wanted Solo, they could just get any old player. I mean c'mon he airballed a free throw.

pacer4ever
10-14-2010, 06:43 PM
Here's a list of non-starting bigs with salaries that would work in a trade for DJ/SJ. It's a pretty underwhelming list once you consider that most of the teams would have very little use for DJ/SJ.

Zaza Pachulia - ATL
Kris Humphries - NJ
Darius Songalia - PHI
Jason Maxiell - DET
Reggie Evans - TOR
Yi Jianlian - WAS
Ronny Turiaf - NY
Nenad Kristic - OKC
Antonio McDyess - SA
Chris Andersen - DEN

My guess is that Songaila or Evans would be the best matches. The most interesting to me real possibility would be Kristic, but it would certainly take more than just our 2 man poo-poo platter to get OKC to bite. Kristic would be a really nice 15 mpg fill-in for Roy and we wouldn't have to change the offense a ton when he came in.

ya reggie or songaila but 76ers just traded for him just to get brackins im sure they would trade him

pacer4ever
10-14-2010, 06:45 PM
Solo is any other D League big. If a team wanted Solo, they could just get any old player. I mean c'mon he airballed a free throw.

he was decent for the hawks he is only 26 and has long arms but thats about it

Psyren
10-14-2010, 06:51 PM
Seriously? Taj Gibson's value is Danny Granger? Darren Collison? Roy Hibbert?

I couldn't agree more. Don't get me wrong, Taj is a good player.

But talk about overvaluing him. I wouldn't trade any of those 3 above. Heck, I'd be hesitant to send them PG24 either.

There is no way in **** Taj is worth Collison, Granger, or Hibbert.

flox
10-14-2010, 06:58 PM
Bah..I wish we never signed D.Jones in the first place.

I think we'll have to bite the bullet and cut S.Jones. Cutting D.Jones now would be admitting we made a huge mistake- and I don't think that that will happen.

Also- the problem with moving TJ is that moving TJ would be a 1 for 1..unless we wanted to add TJ + one of the Jones someone- but that would be at least 10million dollars- and for us to get a 10 million expiring or a 10 million dollar player for expiring + filler is very hard.

Hibbert
10-14-2010, 07:05 PM
Solo + Inferno = $4 mil in 2010-2011 Salary / Total guaranteed $$$ owed to both Players is $9.6 mil ( Inferno has a 3 year deal where the 3rd year is a Player Option whereas Solo is owed $1.5 mil )

Assuming that we would do a straight up "2 for 1" deal....with $4 mil in salary owed to both Solo and Inferno in 2010-2011, this means that we would have to take back ( at the very least ) $3.3 mil to ( at most ) $4.9 mil in 2010-2011 Salary.

Below are the Players that are owed that much $$$ in 2010-2011:

Antonio Mcdyess - $4,860,000
Marcus Banks - $4,847,586
Darius Songaila - $4,818,000
Martell Webster - $4,800,000
Ronnie Brewer - $4,790,000
James Jones - $4,640,000
Jarrett Jack - $4,600,000
Ronny Turiaf - $4,500,000
Brad Miller - $4,400,000
Kendrick Perkins - $4,390,208
Darko Milicic - $4,325,000
Matt Carroll - $4,300,000
Nikola Pekovic - $4,275,000
Zaza Pachulia - $4,251,250
Hakim Warrick - $4,250,000
Randy Foye - $4,250,000
Nate Robinson - $4,200,000
DeShawn Stevenson - $4,151,786
Yi Jianlian - $4,050,499
Daniel Gibson - $4,015,334
Luke Ridnour - $4,000,000
Anthony Morrow - $4,000,000
Brandon Bass - $4,000,000
Steve Blake - $4,000,000
Willie Green - $3,976,000
Ramon Sessions - $3,964,320
Chris Andersen - $3,942,000
Charlie Bell - $3,851,440
Jordan Farmar - $3,750,000
Corey Brewer - $3,703,472
C.J. Miles - $3,700,000
Derek Fisher - $3,700,000
CJ Watson - $3,600,000
Dorell Wright - $3,540,000
Chris Duhon - $3,500,000
Carlos Delfino - $3,500,000
Udonis Haslem - $3,500,000
Shaun Livingston - $3,500,000
Brandan Wright - $3,398,072
Kelenna Azubuike - $3,364,000
Joel Anthony - $3,300,000

Being realistic....I took out Players like DeMarcus Cousins, Russell Westbrook, Marc Gasol, Hasheem Thabeet, etc ( basically top prospects for Teams ) that Teams won't move. As to whether Teams would actually consider moving any of the above Players, I have no clue ( and would doubt it for most cases )....the above is just a list of Players that has a salary that would work in a "2 for 1" deal involving Solo+Inferno.

I like the list here. FYI The value can go as high as &5,765,000 (Jermaine Oneal) and as low as $2,858,000(Julian Wright), so that might add another 20 plus players to this list.

Dr. Awesome
10-14-2010, 07:08 PM
We're gonna get jack if all we're offering is that slush. I bet they're offering Rush instead of D.Jones and keeping it hush hush.

Jarrett Jack? I'm okay with that.

MillerTime
10-14-2010, 07:16 PM
Would Brandon Rush + Solo get us Jason Thompson, and if yes, should we?

I think we would have to give up more than that to get Thompson....

If we could get Thompson for those two, I would do it in a heartbeat

CableKC
10-14-2010, 07:23 PM
Here's a list of non-starting bigs with salaries that would work in a trade for DJ/SJ. It's a pretty underwhelming list once you consider that most of the teams would have very little use for DJ/SJ.

Zaza Pachulia - ATL
Kris Humphries - NJ
Darius Songalia - PHI
Jason Maxiell - DET
Reggie Evans - TOR
Yi Jianlian - WAS
Ronny Turiaf - NY
Nenad Kristic - OKC
Antonio McDyess - SA
Chris Andersen - DEN

My guess is that Songaila or Evans would be the best matches. The most interesting to me real possibility would be Kristic, but it would certainly take more than just our 2 man poo-poo platter to get OKC to bite. Kristic would be a really nice 15 mpg fill-in for Roy and we wouldn't have to change the offense a ton when he came in.
No on Zaza...he's owed $11+ mil over the next 3 years. I don't want his razor-like Elbows to cut Hibbert's or Hansbrough's jugular when both of them are inside the paint.

The only long-term Players on the list that I would want are the Birdman and Turiaf ( which I doubt that the Knicks and Nuggets would want to part with them ). Otherwise, Reggie Evans is the only Big Man that I would be interested for his Contract AND that all he does is rebound and doesn't require the ball in his hands to be effective.

CableKC
10-14-2010, 07:27 PM
some teams have cap room so we could do 2 for a pick or 1 for a pick
No team is going to give us a draft pick ( whether it be a 1st or 2nd round pick ) in return for adding 2 bench Players with $9.6 mil in guaranteed salary to their books.

pacer4ever
10-14-2010, 07:30 PM
No team is going to give us a draft pick ( whether it be a 1st or 2nd round pick ) in return for adding 2 bench Players with $9.6 mil in guaranteed salary to their books.

we could do it for cash considerations but i think chicago would give us a 2nd or future 2nd for Djones.

graphic-er
10-14-2010, 07:34 PM
I'd take Yi Jian Lian, he was playing pretty good towards the end of the season. Plus he has beefed up pretty well and is no lonver a.push over.

BornReady
10-14-2010, 07:39 PM
I'd take Yi Jian Lian, he was playing pretty good towards the end of the season. Plus he has beefed up pretty well and is no lonver a.push over.

I wouldn't.

IndyPacer
10-14-2010, 07:40 PM
He's owed the following:

2010-2011 : $2.5 mil
2011-2012 : $2.7 mil
2012-2013 : $2.9 mil ( Player option )

He's owed approximately $8.1 mil in guaranteed $$$. I have no doubt that Teams would be interested in Inferno as a Player...but I would think that Teams may have reservations about his accompanying contract.

On a team with a good defensive system, that would be money well spent. The only reason I see D. Jones as expendable is that B. Rush is an even better defender plus he can shoot. I don't think D. Jones has anywhere close to a bad contract playing as the defensive stopper in the right system.

BringJackBack
10-14-2010, 07:40 PM
I wouldn't.

You wouldn't take Yi for two sacks of ****?

Heisenberg
10-14-2010, 07:43 PM
Seriously? Taj Gibson's value is Danny Granger? Darren Collison? Roy Hibbert?Not to speak for anyone, but I don't think he's saying that, just that those're the only players we have that would get Chicago to move Gibson here. No one else on the roster approaches Gibson's value, but those four Pacers clearly have more value than him, which is why he said we wouldn't move any of those guys for him.

avoidingtheclowns
10-14-2010, 07:48 PM
My guess is that Songaila or Evans would be the best matches.

I agree they would seem to be the most likely options (though neither team probably have any use for Dahntay) value-wise for our DJones / SJones combo platter. Brandon Bass didn't make it onto your list of non-starting bigs. He's tough to figure out from a value standpoint -- clearly the guy is on the outside of SVG's rotation and the Magic might have some use for a specialist like Dahntay, but who knows.

docpaul
10-14-2010, 07:53 PM
I agree they would seem to be the most likely options (though neither team probably have any use for Dahntay) value-wise for our DJones / SJones combo platter. Brandon Bass didn't make it onto your list of non-starting bigs. He's tough to figure out from a value standpoint -- clearly the guy is on the outside of SVG's rotation and the Magic might have some use for a specialist like Dahntay, but who knows.

Geez... in my dreams! That'd be an amazing return for us... absolutely perfect depth player for us...

Hibbert
10-14-2010, 07:54 PM
Any player that recently signed a contract wouldn't be able to be traded until dec. 15th, that would knock out maybe half of the guys mentioned here.

vnzla81
10-14-2010, 08:02 PM
Just give me a bag of peanuts for those guys and we have a deal.

Part Timer
10-14-2010, 08:06 PM
No on Zaza...he's owed $11+ mil over the next 3 years. I don't want his razor-like Elbows to cut Hibbert's or Hansbrough's jugular when both of them are inside the paint.

The only long-term Players on the list that I would want are the Birdman and Turiaf ( which I doubt that the Knicks and Nuggets would want to part with them ). Otherwise, Reggie Evans is the only Big Man that I would be interested for his Contract AND that all he does is rebound and doesn't require the ball in his hands to be effective.

If all that is being offered is the Jones boys then is ZaZa really that bad of a deal? The Pacers already have 8+ million comitted to D. Jones over the next 3 years, so ZaZa's contract only increases that by 1 million per year. In return you at least get a backup center that plays every night.

I'm not saying it should be done though, as it still seems most likely that either S. Jones or Rolle will be cut.

Really?
10-14-2010, 08:39 PM
Not really i bet they bulls will do this they need a 2. Tom Thibodeau loves D. I bet we can get it done for a player to be named later or a 2rd draft pick because they have cap room. Im sure somee team would love to have Djones he is a solid player

The thing is if teams know that the pacers are desperate to make a trade then they don't have to bee as giving in a trade...

As far as D Jones.. a lot of times it depends on what you have done lately and he hasn't really done much with the pacers, his trade value isn't very high...

I feel the two scenerios that we have are to either get a player that has a bad contract, or taking a player with very little value, approximately a little less value than what the Pacers think dahntay jones has since teams tend to over value their assets anyways.

lol we might be able to get Brian Scalabrine and a 2nd round pick possibly, it might be pushing it wit the 2nd round pic...

Anthem
10-14-2010, 08:50 PM
I would love to get a starting quality player out of a trade
Starter? That's crazy. If Bird can get a rotation player or a draft pick then he hit a home run.

IUfan4life
10-14-2010, 08:52 PM
does this thread realy have 4 pages?

Blink
10-14-2010, 09:07 PM
I couldn't agree more. Don't get me wrong, Taj is a good player.

But talk about overvaluing him. I wouldn't trade any of those 3 above. Heck, I'd be hesitant to send them PG24 either.

There is no way in **** Taj is worth Collison, Granger, or Hibbert.

I think you may have misunderstood; he's not saying they are equal value, he's saying we don't have anyone else that they would want for Taj.

Sparhawk
10-14-2010, 09:29 PM
I'd love to get Jason Thompson. I'd give any combo of Rush, Solo, Ford, D Jones to get him and a first round pick in year 2013 (I figure we'll definitely get to the playoffs by then, so a first round pick probably won't be very good).

BringJackBack
10-14-2010, 09:34 PM
With all due respect, Sparhawk, that is not going to happen.

Jason Thompson's value may have dropped ever since the drafting of Cousins, Whiteside, and the addition of Dalembert. But, Jason Thompson's value isn't that horribly low.

PaceBalls
10-14-2010, 09:49 PM
I think it would be a terrible decision to trade DJones just because he doesn't fit into Jim's 3pt chuck-fest offense. With another coach who isn't obsessed about spreading the floor and hitting 3pt shots at every position, DJones would be a valuable piece. Talk about short sighted. Or maybe this means Jim will be the head coach... forever. :suicide:

BringJackBack
10-14-2010, 09:51 PM
DJones is getting traded because he's a black hole on offense and he would only be an average defender on a good team.

Why does everything have to do with JOB?

pwee31
10-14-2010, 09:53 PM
The bright side of this 2 for 1 rumor is we only have to wait like 10 days before we find out if a trade or buyout is going to happen!

D-BONE
10-14-2010, 09:54 PM
Meh. Good point, Thingfish. DJ isn't great, but he could at least be a nice role player in a different system. Anyway, Evans, Bass, Songaila, Pachulia would be okay if we're set on moving those two. I'd say roughly in that order, too. A guy like Evans is always welcome in my mind. What might we need? One thing - a guy that lives to board and doesn't demand the rock on O. Sounds fine to me.

PaceBalls
10-14-2010, 09:58 PM
DJones is getting traded because he's a black hole on offense and he would only be an average defender on a good team.

Why does everything have to do with JOB?


Maybe because DJones would have a much more prominent role on this team with a different coach? Like he did on the Denver Nuggets, where he was a starter for one of the top 4 teams in the west.

How long is Jim going to be here and do we really need to conform the team to his "system"?

BRushWithDeath
10-14-2010, 10:00 PM
I don't get all the love for Jason Thompson. He's a fine player but that's it. Nothing special. I'd rather just play McRoberts and Hansbrough this season.

Psyren
10-14-2010, 10:01 PM
The biggest issue with D. Jones IMO is just that offensively, he is bad. There is no other way around it. It's not the Pacers, JOB, JOB's System, or any other team that would make a difference. He is the definition of an offensive blackhole.

Just my 2 cents on Dahntay. I like the guy, but it wouldn't break my heart if he ends up gone.

BRushWithDeath
10-14-2010, 10:02 PM
Maybe because DJones would have a much more prominent role on this team with a different coach? Like he did on the Denver Nuggets, where he was a starter for one of the top 4 teams in the west.

How long is Jim going to be here and do we really need to conform the team to his "system"?

Just because he "started" for the Nuggets doesn't mean he doesn't suck.

PaceBalls
10-14-2010, 10:02 PM
He led the team in scoring for a few games at the beginning of last season... when the team was actually sort of mediocre.

I mean how about we trade James Posey? Talk about a worthless roster spot.

BringJackBack
10-14-2010, 10:02 PM
Maybe because DJones would have a much more prominent role on this team with a different coach? Like he did on the Denver Nuggets, where he was a starter for one of the top 4 teams in the west.

How long is Jim going to be here and do we really need to conform the team to his "system"?

Yeah, I guess that makes sense. But here he's just been outplayed by about everyone besides maybe Posey, Solo, and Rolle.

I believe that Jim has actually changed his offense for the players this year: going to the high post, going to the low post, and pick 'n roll are going to be used alot more than dribble penetration and quick shots, get back on D as has been used before.

BlueNGold
10-14-2010, 10:03 PM
The Spurs would make good use out of DJones's talents. The problem with DJones is that his skill set is man-to-man D and really not much else. We don't do that in Indy. We play Golden State ball here. We run the floor and shoot threes with a motion offense. That tends to result in a faster pace. Perhaps the league is moving that direction too.

I think Dunleavy is a great fit here...but D Jones and to some extent TJ Ford's careers may have been hurt coming here.

This is also why that defensive specialist named Danny Granger turned into an offensive juggernaut and poor defender. You are what you eat. Nobody except me and a few others knew he had offensive skills. Gotta credit JOb for bringing that out.

Edit: as the previous post states, there are statements being made that our offense will go through Hibbert and I presume that means it might slow down. I'm not really sure what will happen...

BringJackBack
10-14-2010, 10:04 PM
All of us would be open to trading James Posey, but no one wants him and his 2 year $13 million deal.

Next year he'll be an expiring contract, and we can get some value out of that.

PaceBalls
10-14-2010, 10:05 PM
Just because he "started" for the Nuggets doesn't mean he doesn't suck.

Who happened to go to the western conference finals... The guy is a good player, he just can't hit the long range 3... I doubt you guys have the games, but if you do, go back and watch that 5 game win streak at the beginning of the seasson last year. That is what DJones brings to the table.

BringJackBack
10-14-2010, 10:05 PM
BlueNGold, DJones career has been made here. We were the only ones to give him 4 years/12 mill.

Smoothdave1
10-14-2010, 10:08 PM
I could see a deal with Solo & Dahntay for Deshawn Stevenson. The salaries work, Dallas could use Dahntay's defense and another big. Stevenson is an expiring deal.

I ultimately think the Pacers will have to cut Solo Jones. I'd love to see us deal him for a guy with a non-guaranteed deal and cut the player, but we'll see what Bird does.

As far as Thompson, I like his potential and think he'd be a good fit in Indy. I think it would take a deal of Rush, maybe Solo and a future 1st to land Thompson. Sac has a ton of bigs with Dalembert, Whiteside, Cousins, Landry, etc. I could handle a core team of:

Collison, George, Granger, Thompson, Roy
Price, Dahntay, Dunleavy, Hansbrough, Josh

BRushWithDeath
10-14-2010, 10:09 PM
Who happened to go to the western conference finals... The guy is a good player, he just can't hit the long range 3... I doubt you guys have the games, but if you do, go back and watch that 5 game win streak at the beginning of the seasson last year. That is what DJones brings to the table.

No he isn't. He's a black hole who can't shoot and completely kills ball movement. He's also an extremely overrated defender.

Heisenberg
10-14-2010, 10:11 PM
All of us would be open to trading James Posey, but no one wants him and his 2 year $13 million deal.

Next year he'll be an expiring contract, and we can get some value out of that.
Just like TJ!

Major Cold
10-14-2010, 10:12 PM
You wouldn't take Yi for two sacks of ****?


Calling anyone that is ridiculous. They may not be starters, but they are not worthless.

PaceBalls
10-14-2010, 10:16 PM
No he isn't. He's a black hole who can't shoot and completely kills ball movement. He's also an extremely overrated defender.

Whatever, you have your opinion, I have mine. I think you are wrong. You think I am wrong, we seem to be at an impasse.

OakMoses
10-14-2010, 10:29 PM
1. The Hornets had to trade Collison to get rid of Posey. Which of our valuable young pieces do you want to give up?

2. If we could get Pachulia or Bass or Turiaf for DJ/SJ it would be as much of a homerun as the Collison deal. Those guys are top 4 bigs on nearly any team.

3. I think we need to give up on the idea of getting talent in return. We're basically trying to avoid paying someone to play for another team next season.

4. I'm fine with DJ as the 4th wing. I just think that there are clearly 3 better players on the roster in Granger, Rush, and Dunleavy. Paul George might even be better, and if he isn't, he will be soon enough.

BlueNGold
10-14-2010, 10:31 PM
Just because he "started" for the Nuggets doesn't mean he doesn't suck.

Yes it does. You can purchase a fantastic screw driver and ruin it by using it like a chisel. The reality is, Dahntay should be used like a special tool to deal with physical, athletic SG's. He is capable of disrupting their games. He doesn't suck. How he's been used has sucked.

The prime example is when Dahntay was used as a PF while McIrrelevant (now strangely relevant) was rotting on the bench. This McBob transformation happened before this year folks and some of us could clearly see it.

BringJackBack
10-14-2010, 10:33 PM
Calling anyone that is ridiculous. They may not be starters, but they are not worthless.

Solo is.

Dahntay could work with a contending team, and no one else besides 4-5 teams would pick him up if he were a free agent today.

And I don't think that sarcastically calling them sacks of **** is ridiculous. If they were literally sacks of ****, they could have made alot of people sick.

indianapolismarkus
10-14-2010, 11:06 PM
Jones boys are expendable.

It would be nice if we could find a young third string center that is having a hard time developing and his team is tired of waiting on him and is leaning on cutting him. We give them Solo to fill that void and Dahntay for wing depth.

We can't trade Solo without getting a big man in return. He is our third string center and fifth big man. He will get playing time when Roy, Jeff, Josh or Tyler can't play. We can't give our rookie Magnum that responsibility yet.

ChicagoJ
10-14-2010, 11:11 PM
does this thread realy have 4 pages?

Can you believe its taken that long and nobody's posted the obvious:

Rest of League offering nothing to the Pacers for S. Jones and D. Jones.

Only Larry Bird is going to give either of those players multi-year guaranteed deals.

He's really got to stick with selecting players in the draft or making trades. No more FA signings for him.

AesopRockOn
10-14-2010, 11:14 PM
I don't get all the love for Jason Thompson. He's a fine player but that's it. Nothing special. I'd rather just play McRoberts and Hansbrough this season.

I see him as a poor man's LaMarcus Aldridge.

Still more "starting caliber" than either Mac or Bro, though.

ChicagoJ
10-14-2010, 11:19 PM
Maybe because DJones would have a much more prominent role on this team with a different coach? Like he did on the Denver Nuggets, where he was a starter for one of the top 4 teams in the west.


You can call him a starter, but at 17 mpg he was ninth in MPG (tenth if you count Iverson). He was ninth in total minutes. He played eight games more than Chris Anderson, but still played fewer minutes over the season than Chris Anderson who only started one game that season.

He was their ninth-man and a starter in name only. They just had the common sense to play him with the starters because we saw how badly he tried to dominate the ball when he played with our bench.

Giving him a four-year contract for the vet's minimum would have still been a terrible contract. If Bird had been smart enough to give him the same one-year deals that were given to Luther Head, Earl Watson, and others, he'd be gone now and we wouldn't have to worry about (a) trying to find somebody to take him, or (b) the necessity of clearing a spot for Magnum.

SMosley21
10-14-2010, 11:22 PM
Taj Gibson's value isn't more than Dahntay and Solo, IMO.

You obviously are overvaluing Dahntay and Solo then.

pacer4ever
10-14-2010, 11:58 PM
Don't forget they also traded their "star" sg to bring in landry to start in front of thompson. I think we could get thompson for solo, dahntay and a 1st.

maybe landry for that but probly not Jason

Hicks
10-15-2010, 12:00 AM
Can you believe its taken that long and nobody's posted the obvious:

Rest of League offering nothing to the Pacers for S. Jones and D. Jones.

Only Larry Bird is going to give either of those players multi-year guaranteed deals.

He's really got to stick with selecting players in the draft or making trades. No more FA signings for him.

Just wait 'til he has all that cap space. :devil:

Hicks
10-15-2010, 12:02 AM
As for Jason Thompson, the reason he interests me is that he's more of a PF/C than Josh and especially Tyler are. I don't like the fact that our next option if Jeff can't get it done is Solomon Jones.

In fact, that situation is so bad I'm starting to think we'll cut Dahntay instead of either Solo or Rolle. Bird's proven before he's willing to admit mistakes (White) and bite the bullet on paying multiple years of a contract to a total non-contributor (Tinsley). I think this might be what happens.

OakMoses
10-15-2010, 12:09 AM
maybe landry for that but probly not Jason

Landry is already better than Jason Thompson will ever be.

beast23
10-15-2010, 12:09 AM
Don't forget they also traded their "star" sg to bring in landry to start in front of thompson. I think we could get thompson for solo, dahntay and a 1st.Thompson played substantial minutes for the Kings last season, was their first big off the bench and also was their leading rebounder.

I don't think Larry could even get the Kings to return his call with an offer of SJones, DJones and a 1st. You basically want to give them junk and a 1st for Thompson.

I definitely want Thompson; I believe he would start over any PF presently on our roster, and acquiring him would still preserve cap room to enable us to get an even better PF next summer.

But, if Larry wanted to get the Kings attention, a first and one or two players that will actually see court time might be the place to start. Because of the dollars involved of the players we would give up, this might end up being a 3-for-2, not a 2-for-1. For example, Bird could start negotiating with Rush, DJones, SJones and a 1st for Thompson and a junk player to even out salaries. But, I personally think the Kings would require that either McRoberts or Hansbrough be included to get it done.

At that point, the Pacers will have to determine whether the team would be that much better with Thompson than either of McRoberts or Hansbrough. I think "Yes"; many others on PD, and perhaps even TPTB might think "No".

cdash
10-15-2010, 12:14 AM
Just wait 'til he has all that cap space. :devil:

You joke, but I'm genuinely concerned.

pacer4ever
10-15-2010, 12:27 AM
You joke, but I'm genuinely concerned.

hopefully we dont get anyone because i dont want to give jeff green 5yrs 65mill or some **** like that. we need to bulid like OKC thoght the draft

Really?
10-15-2010, 12:36 AM
I don't get all the love for Jason Thompson. He's a fine player but that's it. Nothing special. I'd rather just play McRoberts and Hansbrough this season.

Jason Thompson did as much for his team his rookie year as Darren Collison did... when he got PT he put up some amazing games.

Look at the games that he played atleast 30 min in... The majority of them he averaged double digits in points and rebounds with a couple of blocks every now and then.

Doddage
10-15-2010, 12:42 AM
You joke, but I'm genuinely concerned.
It couldn't be any worse than the offseason NJ had this year.

Kemo
10-15-2010, 12:43 AM
Jones boys are expendable.

It would be nice if we could find a young third string center that is having a hard time developing and his team is tired of waiting on him and is leaning on cutting him. We give them Solo to fill that void and Dahntay for wing depth.




I read earlier in the week , that rookie "Tiny" Gallon was waived ..
but that still don't solve any problems ..lol with roster spots

CableKC
10-15-2010, 01:46 AM
Actually, I will make it easier for everyone.....unless we're able to trade Solo+Inferno for a comprable Expiring Contract or get a somewhat Solid Player in return ( even with a 2 year contract ), I'd much rather waive Solo and have the Pacers take a $1.5 mil hit then make another MurphLeavy deal where we ruin our 2011-2012 SalaryCap JUST to clear up the roster space for Magnum.

We already have a deadweight Contract on the Books with Posey....I don't want to add another for a Player that may not really fit in our future plans just to do a "2fer1" deal.

Unlike many of you, I'm okay with keeping Inferno as a pure roleplayer that can come in and hound some SGs that is lighting us up over the next couple of seasons. I think that many of you underestimate how difficult it is to move Players with long-term contracts. I know that $8.6 mil / 3 years doesn't seem like much for a Player like Inferno....but Teams are being very cost/salarycap conscious now....especially before the CBA Negotiations. If a deal comes along that makes sense....no problem...move him...otherwise...if we need to make a spot for Magnum, eat the $1.5 mil rather then make a bad deal.

BRushWithDeath
10-15-2010, 06:11 AM
Look at the games that he played atleast 30 min in... The majority of them he averaged double digits in points and rebounds with a couple of blocks every now and then.

So did Josh McRoberts.

I'd rather find out what we have in our 23 year old starter and lottery pick backup. So much of the NBA is opportunity. Let's give them the same opportunity Thompson has gotten before trading away something of value.

Sparhawk
10-15-2010, 07:44 AM
With all due respect, Sparhawk, that is not going to happen.

Jason Thompson's value may have dropped ever since the drafting of Cousins, Whiteside, and the addition of Dalembert. But, Jason Thompson's value isn't that horribly low.

I guess I should have added that it was a pipe dream at best. But stranger things have happened.

ChicagoJ
10-15-2010, 08:18 AM
Just wait 'til he has all that cap space. :devil:

He better be smart enough to use it on the two best FA's he can convince to actually come here - Hibbert and Collison.

Trophy
10-15-2010, 08:40 AM
I'm sure Bird is gonna talk to Sacramento about Jason Thompson and who else they want from us that we're willing to deal along with the Joneses.

DrFife
10-15-2010, 09:06 AM
I'm sure Bird is gonna talk to Sacramento about Jason Thompson and who else they want from us that we're willing to deal along with the Joneses.

Boy, I hope so!

Rush and Thompson are in the same boat in terms of having to prove that they are better than others who may have usurped them for playing time. Both have enough perceived potential--at this moment--to keep that possibility open. Thompson's advantage over McBob is that he seems better equipped to handle minutes at the 5. A core of Hibby, Thompson & McBob ... with Hans and a handful of minutes from Foster ... would be an excellent frontcourt rotation.

Rush + a (lottery-protected) #1 for JT is quite reasonable, imo. However, I don't see how the Joneses would fit in to this swap (without enlarging the trade into a three-way).

Really?
10-15-2010, 09:08 AM
So did Josh McRoberts.

I'd rather find out what we have in our 23 year old starter and lottery pick backup. So much of the NBA is opportunity. Let's give them the same opportunity Thompson has gotten before trading away something of value.

Really I was just showing the case for all the love for Thompson... the same reason DC got love is the same reason Thompson got love... and if this is your point then why trade for DC anyways... why just let AJ price get his opportunity everyone seemed to love him last year...?

I will say that I don't believe that that bringing in J Thompson would be much of an improvement over McRoberts but I am just stating things how I see them with regards to players, accolades and opportunity

beast23
10-15-2010, 09:53 AM
I'm sure Bird is gonna talk to Sacramento about Jason Thompson and who else they want from us that we're willing to deal along with the Joneses.I imagine if Bird has not already talked to the Kings about Thompson, he will do so at some point.

But it will not help us with our current roster dilemma. Dalembert is hurt and is projected to be out 6 weeks, so there is no way the Kings would part with Thompson before Dalembert returns and is functional.

Unfortunately, it might also provide the Kings withe ample time to learn just how much Thompson should be valued... to the point where they will not part with him or conclude that the offer would have to be significantly sweetened before they would consider parting with him.

naptownmenace
10-15-2010, 09:58 AM
You guys should be thinking about rotational players like Nazr Mohammed, Kwame Brown, Fabricio Oberto, Josh Boone, and Reggie Evans + a future 2nd round pick. Those are more realistic possibilities.

beast23
10-15-2010, 10:19 AM
You guys should be thinking about rotational players like Nazr Mohammed, Kwame Brown, Fabricio Oberto, Josh Boone, and Reggie Evans + a future 2nd round pick. Those are more realistic possibilities.Are you stating that you would not consider Thompson to be a rotational player?

Mackey_Rose
10-15-2010, 11:02 AM
Really I was just showing the case for all the love for Thompson... the same reason DC got love is the same reason Thompson got love... and if this is your point then why trade for DC anyways... why just let AJ price get his opportunity everyone seemed to love him last year...?

I will say that I don't believe that that bringing in J Thompson would be much of an improvement over McRoberts but I am just stating things how I see them with regards to players, accolades and opportunity

Different positions. Different situations.

AJ Price was the only point guard on the roster that should have been accounted for going forward. It was inconsequential whether AJ was given an opportunity as the starter, or as a backup to whoever was brought in. We were going to need another point guard regardless. I'm also not convinced that AJ is not the best point guard on this roster currently.

At power forward we have a 23 year old currently starting and a 24 year old lottery pick backing him up. Both of those are guys that you potentially can account for while looking to the future. I think McRoberts' play is going to lessen the prevailing sentiment that we are in need of a starting caliber power forward, and even if not, he's certainly quality depth and energy off the bench. I hope (still skeptical) that Hansbrough's play will be convincing enough that he can be counted on as the first big man off the bench for years to come.

I hope we don't give up a potentially major piece to the puzzle in Rush, in order to essentially fill a void at power forward that has already been filled by two strikingly similar options in McRoberts and Hansbrough. No reason to continue to make the same mistakes we have in the past. Let's find out what we have first.

naptownmenace
10-15-2010, 11:37 AM
Just because he "started" for the Nuggets doesn't mean he doesn't suck.

He's the perfect type of player for the Nuggets and/or Bobcats. He definitely wouldn't suck if Larry Brown was his coach.

naptownmenace
10-15-2010, 11:41 AM
Are you stating that you would not consider Thompson to be a rotational player?

I think Pacers fans have unrealistic views of both Pacers players and promising players from other teams. Big men have way more value than they are often worth.

With that said, Thompson is much better than all those players I mentioned. He could easily start on about half the teams in the NBA. You can't say that about the rest of the guys on the list I gave.

Speed
10-15-2010, 11:46 AM
I want to say you have negative value in the Jones, meaning you have to pay someone to take them.

It's the time of the year where teams are pretty convinced they can compete with the guys they have. Timing is horrible to do a deal like this.

I say "I want to" say this, but after the DC for Murphy deal, it makes me thing anything is possible.

Hibbert
10-15-2010, 11:55 AM
I wonder if packaging Rush with D. Jones + 1 or even 2 Future 1st Rd. Picks would net us James Harden? Sefolosha is set to be their starting 2 this year unless Harden beats him out for it. We could than use our money next year on a solid big or just sit on all that money and play the waiting game. We don't have to go out and spend it just to spend it. I'm not liking the pickings of free agents this upcoming summer and I don't see the thrill in getting Carl Landry. I bet we could find a team looking to shed some salary and get a very solid PF for basically nothing other than taking on the contract. I would like to re-sign McRoberts and than just wait and see. That would leave us with:

PG Darren Collison, AJ Price, FA?
SG James Harden, Stephenson, Rush
SF Danny Granger, Paul George, James Posey
PF (?) Trade or FA, Josh McRoberts, Hansbrough
C- Roy Hibbert, Rolle(?), FA?

This is all extremely unlikely, just what I would like to see.

pacer4ever
10-15-2010, 12:02 PM
I wonder if packaging Rush with D. Jones + 1 or even 2 Future 1st Rd. Picks would net us James Harden? Sefolosha is set to be their starting 2 this year unless Harden beats him out for it. We could than use our money next year on a solid big or just sit on all that money and play the waiting game. We don't have to go out and spend it just to spend it. I'm not liking the pickings of free agents this upcoming summer and I don't see the thrill in getting Carl Landry. I bet we could find a team looking to shed some salary and get a very solid PF for basically nothing other than taking on the contract. I would like to re-sign McRoberts and than just wait and see. That would leave us with:

PG Darren Collison, AJ Price, FA?
SG James Harden, Stephenson, Rush
SF Danny Granger, Paul George, James Posey
PF (?) Trade or FA, Josh McRoberts, Hansbrough
C- Roy Hibbert, Rolle(?), FA?

This is all extremely unlikely, just what I would like to see.

ya not gonna happen they love james harden when his D gets better he will be starting. PG 24 willbe our starting 2 of the future why give up 2 1st rd picks for another one?

Really?
10-15-2010, 12:06 PM
Different positions. Different situations.

AJ Price was the only point guard on the roster that should have been accounted for going forward. It was inconsequential whether AJ was given an opportunity as the starter, or as a backup to whoever was brought in. We were going to need another point guard regardless. I'm also not convinced that AJ is not the best point guard on this roster currently.

At power forward we have a 23 year old currently starting and a 24 year old lottery pick backing him up. Both of those are guys that you potentially can account for while looking to the future. I think McRoberts' play is going to lessen the prevailing sentiment that we are in need of a starting caliber power forward, and even if not, he's certainly quality depth and energy off the bench. I hope (still skeptical) that Hansbrough's play will be convincing enough that he can be counted on as the first big man off the bench for years to come.

I hope we don't give up a potentially major piece to the puzzle in Rush, in order to essentially fill a void at power forward that has already been filled by two strikingly similar options in McRoberts and Hansbrough. No reason to continue to make the same mistakes we have in the past. Let's find out what we have first.

I guess if you say so... the situation could have been the same if we would have got a young pg with potential in free agency too, possibly shaun livingston... he would be the Josh McRoberts of PG... came in lots of potential and hasn't quite shown it yet, but if he gets a starting chance he may show he is NBA worthy..

CableKC
10-15-2010, 12:08 PM
I think Pacers fans have unrealistic views of both Pacers players and promising players from other teams. Big men have way more value than they are often worth.

With that said, Thompson is much better than all those players I mentioned. He could easily start on about half the teams in the NBA. You can't say that about the rest of the guys on the list I gave.
Yeah...I gotta agree with you. Inferno does fit a niche as a solid perimeter defender...but that's all that he is. We're not going to get the type of Player that many of you hope for.

I think that many of you are hoping for another DC/Murphy like trade where we appeared to get more then what we thought we could have gotten for Murphy. The best, most realistic deal that we could expect from an Inferno+Solo deal is a "ZERO sum gain" trade where we get back a warm body with an Expiring Contract.

Frankly, I'm cool with an Expiring Contract...or even waive Solo....pure and simple.

Mackey_Rose
10-15-2010, 12:12 PM
I guess if you say so... the situation could have been the same if we would have got a young pg with potential in free agency too, possibly shaun livingston... he would be the Josh McRoberts of PG... came in lots of potential and hasn't quite shown it yet, but if he gets a starting chance he may show he is NBA worthy..

It looks like we essentially agree.

It didn't matter if the point guard came via trade like Collison did, or via free agency. We needed one either to start or for depth purposes.

At power forward we already have depth, I think we need to find out if we already have a starter before we go trading for someone to start there.

Hibbert
10-15-2010, 12:28 PM
ya not gonna happen they love james harden when his D gets better he will be starting. PG 24 willbe our starting 2 of the future why give up 2 1st rd picks for another one?

I don't see George as a 2, I can't see it. His game screams 3, though I could be wrong. I could see him as our starting 3 of the future in a few years when Danny hits the big 3-0 or if we decide to move Granger. I would not mind having Danny continue taking him under his wing and developing him into a star player similar to DG himself.

pacer4ever
10-15-2010, 12:31 PM
I don't see George as a 2, I can't see it. His game screams 3, though I could be wrong. I could see him as our starting 3 of the future in a few years when Danny hits the big 3-0 or if we decide to move Granger. I would not mind having Danny continue taking him under his wing and developing him into a star player similar to DG himself.

How dont u see him as a 2? He has everything a good 2 needs. Did you watch him at fresno he was a really good 2(i know it was college)

Hibbert
10-15-2010, 12:48 PM
How dont u see him as a 2? He has everything a good 2 needs. Did you watch him at fresno he was a really good 2(i know it was college)

No I never saw him play at Fresno, did you? His team was in a weak conference with the best team being Utah State. Fresno did not play a ranked team the whole year and there final record was 15-18. His numbers should of been higher if you ask me.

pacergod2
10-15-2010, 01:04 PM
We need to look at non-rotational players from a team who could use depth at center. Think Minny, Detroit, New Orleans, or Toronto.

With Dahntay, the appeal would be for a bad defensive team, or a coach that values that type of defense. Think Charlotte, Dallas, or San Antonio.

I would take any player that would decrease our costs over the next three years. If we got a player like Humphries, Songalia, Marcus Banks, or Evans I would be ecstatic, because they are expirings. They could easily be cut if necessary (Banks). Or just be an easy guy to keep off the active roster. At least Humphries or Songalia would contribute as rotational players. These are all non-rotational players basically that we would be looking at.

To be realistic though, I think the best deal we might get would be a late second rounder next year from San Antonio (or Golden State) for Solo. They don't give up much of anything and we don't give up much of anything. That would be a win for us.

pacer4ever
10-15-2010, 01:05 PM
No I never saw him play at Fresno, did you? His team was in a weak conference with the best team being Utah State. Fresno did not play a ranked team the whole year and there final record was 15-18. His numbers should of been higher if you ask me.

Ya i watched about 10gms his team was relly bad. i watch one game his freshmen year and he was playing PF. The next year he moved to the SG and was really good. He had some off nights but was good over all. He dribbled to much but that is because he didnt have much talent around him. It will take him awile to adjust to having talent andlearning how to pass better. But at the 2 he breaks his man down off the dribble at will. He will give DG33 and the rest of the shooters open looks because of his penatration. He plays really good D and is really long. He can get to the rim a will and can shoot the ball REALLY WELL. His jumper is off right now but it will come when he becomes more confrontable. He looks like he is playing scared right now but he is still learning once he figures it out he will be fine. I hope he stays agressive like in college and doesnt settle for jumpers that was his only other promblem. He shoots freethrows at about 90% so he needs to be agressive and attack the rack. Also he rebounds the ball very well .

Hibbert
10-15-2010, 01:12 PM
Ya i watched about 10gms his team was relly bad. i watch one game his freshmen year and he was playing PF. The next year he moved to the SG and was really good. He had some off nights but was good over all. He dribbled to much but that is because he didnt have much talent around him. It will take him awile to adjust to having talent andlearning how to pass better. But at the 2 he breaks his man down off the dribble at will. He will give DG33 and the rest of the shooters open looks because of his penatration. He plays really good D and is really long. He can get to the rim a will and can shoot the ball REALLY WELL. His jumper is off right now but it will come when he becomes more confrontable. He looks like he is playing scared right now but he is still learning once he figures it out he will be fine. I hope he stays agressive like in college and doesnt settle for jumpers that was his only other promblem. He shoots freethrows at about 90% so he needs to be agressive and attack the rack. Also he rebounds the ball very well .

You really got the Bulldog Sports Network?

90'sNBARocked
10-15-2010, 01:14 PM
Ya i watched about 10gms his team was relly bad. i watch one game his freshmen year and he was playing PF. The next year he moved to the SG and was really good. He had some off nights but was good over all. He dribbled to much but that is because he didnt have much talent around him. It will take him awile to adjust to having talent andlearning how to pass better. But at the 2 he breaks his man down off the dribble at will. He will give DG33 and the rest of the shooters open looks because of his penatration. He plays really good D and is really long. He can get to the rim a will and can shoot the ball REALLY WELL. His jumper is off right now but it will come when he becomes more confrontable. He looks like he is playing scared right now but he is still learning once he figures it out he will be fine. I hope he stays agressive like in college and doesnt settle for jumpers that was his only other promblem. He shoots freethrows at about 90% so he needs to be agressive and attack the rack. Also he rebounds the ball very well .

After being a litle bashed here

I think you should be commended.

You're writing skills have improved 200% :)

90'sNBARocked
10-15-2010, 01:30 PM
Really though why not just cut Solo Jones?

I know easy for me to say as I dont write the checks

BornReady
10-15-2010, 01:32 PM
Really though why not just cut Solo Jones?

I know easy for me to say as I dont write the checks

Maybe Bird has another Darren Collison up his sleeve ;)

BillS
10-15-2010, 01:34 PM
Really though why not just cut Solo Jones?

I know easy for me to say as I dont write the checks

Because if you can get the 2 for 1 even for a 15th man it costs you nothing.

90'sNBARocked
10-15-2010, 01:38 PM
Because if you can get the 2 for 1 even for a 15th man it costs you nothing.

Oh absolutely if you can

The problem I see is I dont anyone wants Solomon. If you think about we are comming off a poor year record wise, have a gaping hole at PF and we dont want him.

Also I think by combining him with DJ , we actually lower DJ's value. I think DJ still has value in this league and should be traded by himself if possible

I actually want to keep DJ to see how he respnds with the next coach who might not be so adamit that he can hit the three

Trophy
10-15-2010, 01:57 PM
I think we have a better chance at making a deal if we included Brandon instead of Dahntay because of contracts/salary and the fact that Brandon is younger and might have some potential with another team.

NuffSaid
10-16-2010, 09:54 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Bird accepts a future draft pick or two and cash just to let these two walk.

BRushWithDeath
10-16-2010, 10:02 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Bird accepts a future draft pick or two and cash just to let these two walk.

I'm sure he would love to accept that. But I can't imagine that being offered.


I still think Magnum ends up being cut.

flox
10-17-2010, 05:52 PM
To be realistic though, I think the best deal we might get would be a late second rounder next year from San Antonio (or Golden State) for Solo. They don't give up much of anything and we don't give up much of anything. That would be a win for us.

Doubt it from SA. They plan on having a 13-14 man roster and have too many players for too little spots right now- and they have a weakness on a backup three who can shoot the three.

TheDon
10-17-2010, 06:48 PM
So nobody has given us anythig for our crap huh? I'm shocked I tell ya shocked

MyFavMartin
10-17-2010, 09:39 PM
LA Clippers have salary space and a roster spot available.

CableKC
10-19-2010, 12:05 PM
:bump:

Every other Team is slowly waiving Players to get below the limit ( the Rockets just waived 4 Players )....and we're less then a week from the deadline to lower the roster to 15 Players.

What do you think is going to happen?

My guess is that there is a greater likelihood that we waive Solo before we pull off some "2fer1" trade.

pacers74
10-19-2010, 12:18 PM
Unless we give up a 1st or a better player like, maybe Rush, then we will probably just have to waive someone. It looks like S.Jones is the most likely to the odd man out.

Speed
10-19-2010, 12:21 PM
I'd say Solo too, but they are thin up front, that leaves you only 5 bigs. I'd also say D Jones, but you have to eat two years of salary, right?

I guess if you consider Posey and DG as PF options, it works to cut Solo. Problem is, if Jeff goes down, you have no one as a back up center.

We are a week away from a decision and I really still have no idea.

90'sNBARocked
10-19-2010, 12:22 PM
I got to believe Dahanty Jones still has value around the league

CableKC
10-19-2010, 12:45 PM
I'd say Solo too, but they are thin up front, that leaves you only 5 bigs. I'd also say D Jones, but you have to eat two years of salary, right?

I guess if you consider Posey and DG as PF options, it works to cut Solo. Problem is, if Jeff goes down, you have no one as a back up center.

We are a week away from a decision and I really still have no idea.
At most....I'd think that we'd do some minor trade involving bit-players that won't adversely affect the roster. If this is not the case...which probably won't happen...as you say...Solo makes the most sense. Even with Foster going down....it's not like Solo is light-years ahead of Players like McRoberts and ( one can even argue ) Magnum where keeping Solo makes any real sense.

Unless the FO is able to work out some "2fer1" deal where Expiring contracts are traded.....the Simons may take a financial hit of $1.5 mil...but from a roster POV....I'd totally live with a PF/C rotation that is mostly made up of Hibbert/Foster/McRoberts/Hansbrough with Granger/Magnum as a backup PF options then keep Solo and waive anyone else. At most....waiving anyone else other then Solo is a lateral move at best. IMHO...the only reason not to waive Solo would be a financial reason.

Hicks
10-19-2010, 12:55 PM
Given our roster, and our history, I could see it being Dahntay Jones who gets cut.

BRushWithDeath
10-19-2010, 12:57 PM
I got to believe Dahanty Jones still has value around the league

"Still" implies he ever had value around the league which I think is a stretch. He may have had some with one year minimum contracts but the moment he signed with us he lost any value he may have had to another team.

BRushWithDeath
10-19-2010, 12:59 PM
Given our roster, and our history, I could see it being Dahntay Jones who gets cut.

I can't see Herb taking that hit financially but that would certainly make the most sense basketball wise.

90'sNBARocked
10-19-2010, 01:04 PM
"Still" implies he ever had value around the league which I think is a stretch. He may have had some with one year minimum contracts but the moment he signed with us he lost any value he may have had to another team.

Dont you think they remember his defense on Kobe or Chris Paul?

I mean his contract is relatively cheap

Hicks
10-20-2010, 11:39 AM
I can't see Herb taking that hit financially but that would certainly make the most sense basketball wise.

Who saw Herb taking the Jamaal Tinsley hit before that finally ended with a buyout? This is a lot less money than that.

BRushWithDeath
10-20-2010, 12:25 PM
Who saw Herb taking the Jamaal Tinsley hit before that finally ended with a buyout? This is a lot less money than that.

Pretty different situations in my opinion. The community isn't nearly as opposed to having Dahntay Jones on the roster as they were to Jamaal Tinsley.

CableKC
10-20-2010, 12:29 PM
Pretty different situations in my opinion. The community isn't nearly as opposed to having Dahntay Jones on the roster as they were to Jamaal Tinsley.
I agree......the Tinsley situation was different given the circumstances and the pending whatever actions on the part of Tinsley's Agents. I still think that the FO would have sat on his contract if Tinsley's Agent didn't push the issue.

Logically....the person to cut/waive/buyout is Solo given the upside and potential of Magnum. Realistically though...my guess is that you are right when it comes to Magnum being the one that is cut :suicide4: