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Mr. Sobchak
10-06-2010, 09:50 PM
radio is working again...

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 09:50 PM
Now Lance is jacking them up lol

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 09:50 PM
here are some of the highlights

http://www.nba.com/games/20101006/INDMEM/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0011000013#

PG24 didnt want to hurt the rim lol and i love jmac running the floor

Trophy
10-06-2010, 09:51 PM
Looks like JOB is gonna give the starts some rest and just empty out the bench.

Here comes Dahntay.

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 09:53 PM
Now Lance is jacking them up lol

ya if he works hard he couldbe really good in 3yrs

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 09:53 PM
Xavier Henry has had a rough go at it tonight.

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 09:53 PM
LOL TABEAT CANT SPELL but lol he fouled out thats his promblem LOL

Pacemaker
10-06-2010, 09:54 PM
Lance @ the point !

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 09:54 PM
Man I love the team we have right now...at least the ones that have played tonight lol (+ Tyler).

Rolle is in btw.

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 09:55 PM
lol Thabeet's only problem is fouling out. Other than that, it seems like he's improved all around this summer.

Trophy
10-06-2010, 09:55 PM
I haven't been this excited about opening a season in a while.

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 09:55 PM
Man I love the team we have right now...at least the ones that have played tonight lol (+ Tyler).

Rolle is in btw.

ya i thogh i would hate jmac but lovvin him right now and rest of the team excited cant wait 4 friday got my tickets

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 09:55 PM
c'mon Magnum!!!!!

TheDon
10-06-2010, 09:56 PM
Wow thabeet fouls out in the 3rd how many minutes did he even play? Tell ya what stephenson isn't far behind though

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 09:56 PM
lol Thabeet's only problem is fouling out. Other than that, it seems like he's improved all around this summer.

ya he will always struggle wth that 2 lol

B00sh
10-06-2010, 09:57 PM
Should we be worried that Tyler's not playing?

Trophy
10-06-2010, 09:59 PM
Solo hasn't been effective really at all. I don't think we're gonna keep him when the season rolls around.

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 09:59 PM
like seein that roy has 7 reb better than last year

Sookie
10-06-2010, 09:59 PM
Magnum's active just not efficient....is he the non dizzy Tyler?

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 09:59 PM
Dahntay hitting them free-throws!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:00 PM
69-64 at the end of 3.

Trophy
10-06-2010, 10:00 PM
Should we be worried that Tyler's not playing?

I don't think so.

He was only given the okay a few weeks ago to start contact/team workouts.

I think it's best we don't play him too much in the preseason or at least not for another week or so.

TheDon
10-06-2010, 10:01 PM
Even though this is just preseason I'm greedy and want us to win this one.

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:01 PM
Henry's GOT to be close to fouling out because he's had fouls on both ends of the court all night long.

Pacers4Life
10-06-2010, 10:03 PM
Henry's GOT to be close to fouling out because he's had fouls on both ends of the court all night long.

he has 2... and thabeet has 5
unless this yahoo thing is screwy. its had all the scores right though throughout...

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:03 PM
69-64 at the end of 3.

i picked us to win 95 90

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:03 PM
he has 2... and thabeet has 5
unless this yahoo thing is screwy. its had all the scores right though throughout...

tabeeat has 6 lol he is out

Trophy
10-06-2010, 10:03 PM
Henry's GOT to be close to fouling out because he's had fouls on both ends of the court all night long.

He only has 2 PFs

Thabeet has 5.

TheDon
10-06-2010, 10:04 PM
everytime solomon jones plays I forget he is even out there.

Pacemaker
10-06-2010, 10:04 PM
WoW !! J-Mac good all around game so far !! Gotta lov his game !!

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:04 PM
LETS GO PAUL

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:04 PM
WoW !! J-Mac good all around game so far !! Gotta lov his game !!

yep yep

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:05 PM
Paul in for Magnum

BlueNGold
10-06-2010, 10:05 PM
Conley is killing Lance...

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:05 PM
mik conley nice play

Trophy
10-06-2010, 10:05 PM
Oh great, here we go. Posey playing PF.

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:05 PM
Conley is killing Lance...

and posey lol not really just 4 pts lance only gave up 2 1/2 lol

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:06 PM
he has 2... and thabeet has 5
unless this yahoo thing is screwy. its had all the scores right though throughout...

yeah i see that on Yahoo, but from what the play-by-play has said, I now I've seen him foul at least 5 times, and he's still in the game so he might have 5...man I wish this was just televised lol.

BringJackBack
10-06-2010, 10:06 PM
Everytime we go down I check to make sure that its the Jones' fault.

Good to see Magnum out there. Paul just came in.

TheDon
10-06-2010, 10:06 PM
Layup drill going on by memphis. I really wish they would bring a point guard out and see how lance handles the sg position by the sound of it conley is carving him up and getting wherever he wants

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:06 PM
Oh great, here we go. Posey playing PF.

ya not good im ashamed to say this but id rather play solo then posey at the 4 lol

Pacers4Life
10-06-2010, 10:07 PM
wonder whos at the 4... Dahntay, Pose, Or Paul... and god yea lance is getting dominated (allegedly)

BlueNGold
10-06-2010, 10:07 PM
and posey lol not really just 4 pts lance only gave up 2 1/2 lol

..um, Lance is supposed to be guarding Conley.

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:08 PM
slick nice pass lance

Trophy
10-06-2010, 10:08 PM
ya not good im ashamedto say this but id rather play solo then posey at the 4 lol

At least Solo is a PF/C unlike James who's a SF/SG.

I don't know what JOB sees in James that makes him able to play the 4.

BlueNGold
10-06-2010, 10:08 PM
Layup drill going on by memphis. I really wish they would bring a point guard out and see how lance handles the sg position by the sound of it conley is carving him up and getting wherever he wants

...and Conley stinks.

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:09 PM
..um, Lance is supposed to be guarding Conley.

conely beat both of them on the play lol

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:10 PM
...and Conley stinks.

ya if it was CP3 lance would be in trouble but with mike he is fine

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:10 PM
BOOM BABY POSEY

Trophy
10-06-2010, 10:10 PM
..um, Lance is supposed to be guarding Conley.

I guess JOB is right. Lance's defense is pretty crappy.

Bring in AJ!

Pacers4Life
10-06-2010, 10:10 PM
pokcet full of posey!! yea... no?

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:11 PM
slick said mike conley is 2 fast for lance lol

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:11 PM
3 for Posey!!!

we need more Price now!

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:12 PM
I guess JOB is right. Lance's defense is pretty crappy.

Bring in AJ!

it is preseason gotta give him some mintues

TheDon
10-06-2010, 10:12 PM
Here is my one post about job. He said in offseason we would be playing our game and forcing other people to matchup to us. Playing stephenson at pg and posey at pf is not the best matchup.

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:12 PM
Come on guys, don't lose this one now!!!!

BlueNGold
10-06-2010, 10:12 PM
slick said mike conley is 2 fast for lance lol

I could have told you that this summer. He is not going to play the PG position. They really need to shift him over to SG and see how that works.

...uh, here comes AJ.

Trophy
10-06-2010, 10:12 PM
Good to see Roy and AJ back in.

Hopefully we soon bring in Darren and Danny or Mike to try and get us the win.

Sookie
10-06-2010, 10:13 PM
wow this lineup sucks

Pacemaker
10-06-2010, 10:13 PM
Young having a field day now..

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:13 PM
now slick wants lance to post up conely that is smart get some Jtinsley goin lol

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:14 PM
PG24

BlueNGold
10-06-2010, 10:14 PM
now slick wants lance to post up conely that is smart get some Jtinsley goin lol

Like anyone enjoyed that garbage...

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:15 PM
Come on guys, don't lose this one now!!!!

one word PRESEASON LOL

Pacers4Life
10-06-2010, 10:15 PM
Tech comin' for us... interesting lineup to say the least...
aj
dj
paul george
rolle
hibs

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:15 PM
crap...Henry finally hit a 3 lol

JOB hears us, he put Price back in haha

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:16 PM
Like anyone enjoyed that garbage...

hey jamal back in the day was alright b4 he got fat and chucked 3s lol

Trophy
10-06-2010, 10:16 PM
one word PRESEASON LOL

Well, it's always good to win any game.

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:17 PM
jeff green scored 25 OKC won

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:17 PM
Posey back in for Rolle

Trophy
10-06-2010, 10:18 PM
Damn it. Posey back at PF.

Is JOB against putting in Josh whose been on the bench for a while.

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:18 PM
Well, it's always good to win any game.

ya but i would rather see every 1 play in the first preseason game lol maybe the 7th i want us 2 win but the first na

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:18 PM
and yet ANOTHER foul on Henry

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:18 PM
i guess put mcbob back in lol

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:18 PM
A C LAW big bust his uncle is erine banks my favorite ball player lol LOL

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:20 PM
alright we need a better lineup out there

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:21 PM
PG24 3 steals like it

Pacers4Life
10-06-2010, 10:22 PM
AAAIIIRRBAALLLL!!!!

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:22 PM
44 -31 they are winning the rebound battle gonna be the promblem this year

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:22 PM
8-26 from 3pt

Trophy
10-06-2010, 10:24 PM
Lance is now playing SG.

We still need a real PF.

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:24 PM
SLICK say lance not PG BOOM BABY AJ

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:24 PM
Hibbert/George/Stephenson/Posey/Price now on the floor

Pacers4Life
10-06-2010, 10:24 PM
HIBBERT SHOUld get the rock everytime and decide to shoot it/post up with the lineup the grizz have out there

MyFavMartin
10-06-2010, 10:24 PM
potential double-double for Roy. 3+ min to get 2 more rebounds.

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:25 PM
LET'S GO PACERS!!!!!!! GO AJ!!!!!!

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:25 PM
Lance is now playing SG.

We still need a real PF.

ya we do some one like carl landry who will do the dirty work

Really?
10-06-2010, 10:25 PM
PG24 3 steals like it

More steals than shots mad, hopefully that will not be the case on a regular basis... hopefully he gets comfortable with his shot, he should be a good player for us this season on both ends of the court

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:26 PM
offensive foul!!!!!!

and who's J. Davis? would this be Josh Davis--the guy the Pacers had in training camp a couple seasons ago?

pwee31
10-06-2010, 10:26 PM
44 -31 they are winning the rebound battle gonna be the promblem this year

Let's keep in perspective that Hansbrough hasn't played. Foster has barely played. And Hibbert and McRoberts have played about 25 minutes and have 8 and 6 respectively

Trophy
10-06-2010, 10:26 PM
ya we do some one like carl landry who will do the dirty work

I meant Josh, but Landry would work for me too. :D

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:26 PM
27 TO grizz LOL

Really?
10-06-2010, 10:28 PM
Hummm... What happened to Dunleavy...? only 5 min or is that wrong, looks like he was knocking them down at the beginning of the game.

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:28 PM
I meant Josh, but Landry would work for me too. :D

josh is good 4 now i like what ive seen from him

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:29 PM
6-0 run hibbert reb 1:20 2 go

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:29 PM
charge posey

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:30 PM
just down 3!!! 3p's let's go!

pwee31
10-06-2010, 10:30 PM
Hummm... What happened to Dunleavy...? only 5 min or is that wrong, looks like he was knocking them down at the beginning of the game.

15 minutes, hasn't played in the 2nd half. Giving the rooks and bench some burn

Trophy
10-06-2010, 10:30 PM
I'm not worried about Danny.

He's the leader and it looked like he was just taking it easy as most players do in preseason.

Pacers4Life
10-06-2010, 10:30 PM
THEY WANT US TO HAVE IT FFS

MyFavMartin
10-06-2010, 10:30 PM
ROY: DOUBLE-DOUBLE :dance:

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:30 PM
ya like mark boyle said we should be killing them they have 27 TO


DD roy 18--10

Trophy
10-06-2010, 10:30 PM
This is coming down to the wire.

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:30 PM
they get a key O reb

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:31 PM
the rebounding is killing us

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:31 PM
down 1!!!! 17 seconds left!!!!! GO PACERS!!!!!!!!!!!!! COME ON!!!!!!!!

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:31 PM
here we go

Sookie
10-06-2010, 10:32 PM
the rebounding is killing us

Yea well maybe if we had a POWER FORWARD in the game...

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:32 PM
double-double for big roy now!

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:32 PM
slick says lance has talent but they are wasteing it playing him at the 1 they should put him at the 2 or 3

Trophy
10-06-2010, 10:32 PM
To think a preseason game would be this intense.

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:33 PM
GREAT PLAY PAUL

pwee31
10-06-2010, 10:33 PM
gotta win the jump

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:33 PM
jmac in 4 roy

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:34 PM
IN ball

Sookie
10-06-2010, 10:34 PM
well the jump ball should turn out in AJ's favor..

edit: HAAAAAAAA what an idiot

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:34 PM
HERE WE GO

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:34 PM
jump ball violation on Grizzz!!!!! go pacers!!

Pacers4Life
10-06-2010, 10:35 PM
fellow pacers, win or lose i cannot WAIT to see the highlights somewhere later...

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:35 PM
COME ON AJ

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:35 PM
this is it!!

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:35 PM
Agree pacers4life

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:35 PM
not over yet a foul on lance lol

pwee31
10-06-2010, 10:36 PM
Boo! Another final possession with the point guard pounding the ball until the clock expires.

Would have liked to see Stephenson go one on one

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:36 PM
DID WE JUST GET ROBBED???

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:36 PM
YES FOUL!!!!!!!!!!!

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:37 PM
so what's the verdict?

Pacemaker
10-06-2010, 10:37 PM
PG and DG combined for 3-18 from the field ... YIKES !!:eek:

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:37 PM
X at the line .4 left lol

Trophy
10-06-2010, 10:37 PM
Even though we lost. Everyone played great.

I'm really excited for the season after watching this game.

JBones19
10-06-2010, 10:38 PM
http://www.nba.com/video/games/grizzlies/2010/10/06/0011000013_ind_mem_play4.nba/index.html#

Highlights at nba.com

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:38 PM
who's X?

ReginaldWayne
10-06-2010, 10:38 PM
Damn you John Davis

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:38 PM
oh, Xavier Henry?

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:38 PM
.1 sec left lol we got the ball lol

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:39 PM
oh, Xavier Henry?

ya

pwee31
10-06-2010, 10:39 PM
oh, Xavier Henry?

Yes

Sookie
10-06-2010, 10:39 PM
AJ you had to have your one turnover then... Would have liked to see some assists too (granted, I don't know if he was passing and people were missing..but still..)

Oh well, we would have won this, if JOB hadn't played that sucky lineup for half of the third quarter. :P

Not suprised the rookies struggled with shooting. I think that's pretty typical, a lot of nerves.

Seemed like it was a pretty good game by everyone..just some nerves and such.

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:39 PM
jmac ally oop

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:40 PM
fun fun game even tho we lost by 2. I'm glad that so many players got to see PT for us. Can't wait until Friday's showdown!

Trophy
10-06-2010, 10:40 PM
Damn you John Davis

Josh Davis. I remember he worked out for us 2 years ago.

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:40 PM
WE LOSE

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:40 PM
Did Jmac alley-oop count or anything?

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:40 PM
Jmac POG

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:41 PM
Did Jmac alley-oop count or anything?

no i was calling the play that i wanted wit .1 seconds u have to tip the ball in

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:41 PM
darn, i was hoping for a miracle from McBob. Ah, I'll take his two 3s tonight instead lol. Great hard-fought game tonight.

Trophy
10-06-2010, 10:43 PM
That was fun.

ChristianDudley
10-06-2010, 10:43 PM
well I'm out for the night on here...

cdash
10-06-2010, 10:44 PM
Hard to take much out of a game we couldn't watch. Roy had a nice stat line. McBob seemed like he was getting after it. George's stat line indicates he struggled, which I think we all kind of expected.

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:47 PM
gg i guess we need to rebound

ReginaldWayne
10-06-2010, 10:47 PM
Josh Davis. I remember he worked out for us 2 years ago.

Correct. For some reasin espn boxscore hes him as john davis

pacer4ever
10-06-2010, 10:48 PM
Hard to take much out of a game we couldn't watch. Roy had a nice stat line. McBob seemed like he was getting after it. George's stat line indicates he struggled, which I think we all kind of expected.

but he was good on D 3steals

kester99
10-06-2010, 10:48 PM
PG and DG combined for 3-18 from the field ... YIKES !!:eek:

...and the only free throws among them the three that Danny got after being fouled at the 3-pt line.

It looks like (stat-wise) a reprise of a bad theme from last year: No penetration. Jump shot jump shot jump shot.

BringJackBack
10-06-2010, 10:48 PM
It was an inside job by AJ.

Dahntay Jones killed us tonight. I wish this was in green. -16 +/-

Really?
10-06-2010, 10:49 PM
I know alot of you probably got to see the game and already say the play but I just watched that Highlight video and that J Mcroberts put back dunk was nasty...

Thats whats up

BringJackBack
10-06-2010, 11:01 PM
I wish Danny wouldn't play like he's 36 trying to be a star he was 10 years ago. All he does is stand still like he has no lateral quickness when reality is that he has one of the quickest first steps in the whole league.

Jrod Jones
10-06-2010, 11:01 PM
+8 TO ratio is definitely a positive
Hibbert's play was definitely a positive
McRoberts definitely did work out there

Anyone else confused as to why McRob took 4 3's? (let alone made 2 of em)

LG33
10-06-2010, 11:05 PM
17 pages for a preseason game. The Pacers must be doing something right.

MagicRat
10-06-2010, 11:08 PM
No postgame show. Unacceptable!

McKeyFan
10-06-2010, 11:10 PM
No postgame show. Unacceptable!

Count your blessings.

I only got a couple five minute sporadic comments from two lame Grizzly announcers.

will567
10-06-2010, 11:23 PM
That was a really sick dunk by Josh. Josh looks like a guy that can play 4 for us. If PG is as far as they say he is (meaning able to play like Danny did his first year) and if Dun is healthy maybe now is the time to move Danny for the right deal? He will never be as valuable as he is now and we are deep at wing maybe we should look into moving Danny now. Just food for thought.

BlueNGold
10-06-2010, 11:27 PM
I don't think Danny protected the promise.

BlueNGold
10-06-2010, 11:28 PM
Count your blessings.

I only got a couple five minute sporadic comments from two lame Grizzly announcers.

Tinsley should join the Globe Trotters. Perfect fit. He really missed his calling.

Psyren
10-06-2010, 11:32 PM
I know it's just preseason and everything will get tweaked and such but...

Collison and Granger were awful.

Doddage
10-07-2010, 12:16 AM
I like the night that Hibb had. The double-double aside, he wasn't in any foul trouble, only turned the ball over twice, and most of all, he was able to play for a very solid 30 minutes. If he's able to stay on the floor for those kind of minutes or even more while controlling his fouls, that's a win for us.

Kemo
10-07-2010, 12:19 AM
That was a really sick dunk by Josh. Josh looks like a guy that can play 4 for us. If PG is as far as they say he is (meaning able to play like Danny did his first year) and if Dun is healthy maybe now is the time to move Danny for the right deal? He will never be as valuable as he is now and we are deep at wing maybe we should look into moving Danny now. Just food for thought.


nah..,. Danny ALWAYS plays this bad in the preseason..

TheDon
10-07-2010, 12:21 AM
Even though we lost, even though it was ugly at times, it is so NICE to have basketball back.

BornReady
10-07-2010, 12:40 AM
it'd be nice to get some final thoughts on this game and our players from those of us who watched it ;)

Naptown_Seth
10-07-2010, 12:56 AM
I know alot of you probably got to see the game and already say the play but I just watched that Highlight video and that J Mcroberts put back dunk was nasty...

Thats whats up
Last year Josh had the #1 preseason highlight with a dunk (NBA.com).

Not that he's all dunks, he just happens to have hops and be pretty darn coordinated for a big.


I expect lots of struggles for George on offense, to me he was just really raw coming out of college. But he's a nice defender, that's how he'll earn his minutes.


IMO Henry came out too soon as well.

Naptown_Seth
10-07-2010, 01:05 AM
Jmac POG
Irrelevant in a loss. Double that for preseason. Triple that for Memphis. Super irrelevant.

Buck has started the clock on McBob leaving the NBA, it's only a matter of time now.

Sookie
10-07-2010, 01:39 AM
Irrelevant in a loss. Double that for preseason. Triple that for Memphis. Super irrelevant.

Buck has started the clock on McBob leaving the NBA, it's only a matter of time now.

Nah, Jimmy likes him now..(and it has nothing to do with him becoming an adequate 3 point shooter.)

Can we be done with the Stephenson PG experiment yet?

I'm happy AJ apparently played (scored) well. And I know there are other reasons for the lack of assists(the rest of the team was 3-14 when AJ was playing....) But I think Jimmy's confused the kid over which position he's playing. Point guard..point guard..not shooting guard.. :P

Paul George. I'm going to keep insisting he has a pretty shot. Although, I think from farther back he hoists it a bit, perhaps he just needs to either step in (don't do that George, you'll get less time. See Josh ;)) or adjust to the three point line. His defense..I like. From the small clips I've seen, I just really really like this kid. But he can prove he has a pretty shot..at any time.

Please do not ever play Stephenson, Posey, Dahntay, Soloman, and Magnum lineup again. Ever. Never Ever. Don't do it. What would make anyone think that would be a good lineup? Why? (I'm sure JOB's attempt was to cover up Lance's lack of defense...but WOW) That's just all kinds of bad in so many different ways. I'm sure it'll never be seen in the actual season, but just..don't do it.

BornReady
10-07-2010, 01:52 AM
Nah, Jimmy likes him now..(and it has nothing to do with him becoming an adequate 3 point shooter.)

Can we be done with the Stephenson PG experiment yet?

I'm happy AJ apparently played (scored) well. And I know there are other reasons for the lack of assists(the rest of the team was 3-14 when AJ was playing....) But I think Jimmy's permantly confused the kid over which position he's playing. Point guard..point guard..not shooting guard.. :P

Paul George. I'm going to keep insisting he has a pretty shot. Although, I think from farther back he hoists it a bit, perhaps he just needs to either step in (don't do that George, you'll get less time. See Josh ;)) or adjust to the three point line. His defense..I like. From the small clips I've seen, I just really really like this kid. But he can prove he has a pretty shot..at any time.

Please do not ever play Stephenson, Posey, Dahntay, Soloman, and Magnum again. Ever. Never Ever. Don't do it. What would make anyone think that would be a good lineup? Why? (I'm sure JOB's attempt was to cover up Lance's lack of defense...but WOW) That's just all kinds of bad in so many different ways. I'm sure it'll never be seen in the actual season, but just..don't do it.

lol you make the last bit sound like you don't ever want to see any of those players on the court again hahaha. I know what you meant, though.

Kemo
10-07-2010, 02:26 AM
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King24George
Back in Indy it was a good start for my first game I know what I need to improve on.. I love this game!






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Psyren
10-07-2010, 02:59 AM
I have a feeling that PG will get the majority of his points off of tipped passes that he picks up/running the floor for easy oops (like the one tonight with DC2).

Offensively, in the half court at least, he will need some time. I have no doubt that he will eventually get there though.

cgg
10-07-2010, 03:40 AM
Anyone else confused as to why McRob took 4 3's? (let alone made 2 of em)

Sometime before summer league they said the best way for him to learn to shoot threes in games, is to shoot them in games. I'm guessing this is why they have him shooting so many in summer league and preseason. I think its the main reason he was in summer league actually. I doubt he'll shoot them that much in real games.

HeliumFear
10-07-2010, 05:07 AM
Can we please get a more in depth breakdown so we can appropriately react to this very serious and meaningful game?

MagicRat
10-07-2010, 08:49 AM
Can we please get a more in depth breakdown so we can appropriately react to this very serious and meaningful game?

This is the best I can come up with:

http://chaos.able-towers.com/~magicrat/memphispostgame.mp3 (http://chaos.able-towers.com/%7Emagicrat/memphispostgame.mp3)

graphic-er
10-07-2010, 09:10 AM
Man people on the Indystar Comments section are already calling for Granger's head cause he only scored 5pts in the first preseason game. I can't believe the narrow mindedness of people in this state.

BillS
10-07-2010, 09:12 AM
Sometime before summer league they said the best way for him to learn to shoot threes in games, is to shoot them in games. I'm guessing this is why they have him shooting so many in summer league and preseason. I think its the main reason he was in summer league actually. I doubt he'll shoot them that much in real games.

If he shoots 50% from 3 why wouldn't you have it as a major weapon? From the radio it wasn't the typical Murphy "play drawn up and Murphy trails specifically for the 3", it was more often that other action took place and Josh was on the wing and open, so he took the open shot.

Radio is always hard because you have to visualize what they tell you and they don't give everything off the ball because they have to keep up with the game, but I felt the first 3 quarters were pretty good and, even as bad as we were in the fourth, consider that Memphis pretty well owned us effortlessly last year and that we spent a lot of time with our second line-up against their starters this year.

I'll take the rust as given, I'm excited for Josh and for Roy, I'm thinking Dun might be a worthwhile piece, I'm confident in AJ and PG, I'm very worried about Danny, and I'm concerned about the 4th quarter jump-shot-fest.

BillS
10-07-2010, 09:13 AM
Man people on the Indystar Comments section are already calling for Granger's head cause he only scored 5pts in the first preseason game. I can't believe the narrow mindedness of people in this state.

I'm not ready to call for his head, but listening to HOW he played has me very worried.

graphic-er
10-07-2010, 09:44 AM
I'm not ready to call for his head, but listening to HOW he played has me very worried.

1-9 is bad, but I'd entertain the possibility that JOB could have told him to defer alot tonight and let the other players try and carry the load. The first preseason game is all about players getting their feet wet. Not coming out and scoring 20. Thus Granger chucking up long jumpers.

Speed
10-07-2010, 10:04 AM
Not sure I can critic the box scores very closely without seeing the actual play. Were Danny's shots good ones off of good action? Same with Paul George, are they shots he can make and were they in the flow of the offense? Similar concern with DC, I heard him miss three fast break lay ups, but were they contested or forced or were they just missed lay ups. Josh's turnovers, were they bad on his part or good D by Memphis, or some teammates bad play. Really hard to tell those things. I think we'll know so much more after Friday, even then it's early to identfiy trends, probably.

Really?
10-07-2010, 10:27 AM
Man people on the Indystar Comments section are already calling for Granger's head cause he only scored 5pts in the first preseason game. I can't believe the narrow mindedness of people in this state.

Not sure how I feel about this, on one hand I feel that we have a good group of talented young players to build around and I wouldn't want to mess that up, but at the same time Danny's value is pretty decent right now and it might be interesting to see what kind of offers that we could get for him. This is not based on his performance in the FIRST PRESEASON GAME, lol

To add to that, not sure what players we could possibly bring in from a Danny trade that would dramatically change our team lol unless we could package him and Collision for a trade involving J Wall...not likely (But yes I would make this trade, lol)

Kemo
10-07-2010, 10:34 AM
I'm not ready to call for his head, but listening to HOW he played has me very worried.


Why would you be worried?

He has played poorly in the preseason for the last 3 years.. why should it be any different? That is his M.O. ...

Seems alot of people have short term memories around here and on the Indy Star comment section..








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naptownmenace
10-07-2010, 10:47 AM
nah..,. Danny ALWAYS plays this bad in the preseason..

That's a good point. He seems to dog it during the preseason. Some good players just can't get into it unless a real game is on the line.

It's either that or he's suffering from some sort of hangover effect from his poor Team USA performance. Maybe we should send him to New Mexico so he can work out against his old college team and restore his confidence. Nothing builds confidence like going back to your old school and dominating lesser talent. I'm only half kidding about this too.

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 10:48 AM
I'm sure Bird is not turning away offers on anyone right now, but to suggest actively shopping Granger is insane. Talk about putting a nuke right in the middle of this team's supposedly good chemistry.

MyFavMartin
10-07-2010, 10:48 AM
Quote from ESPN's Game Recap:

"I think I could have played stronger," Hibbert said, later adding: "I was really nervous before the game, and (it's good) to get the first one out of the way."

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Couple positives I took from the game:

1. Roy's double-double.

2. Collison had 5 assists in 24 minutes.

Sounded like Posey wasn't good at the PF position and thus, there's minutes there at that position for Jeff and Tyler. Unfortunately, Jeff got hurt early in the game taking a charge and Tyler was out, so JOB was scrambling...

Sounded like the 2nd half was tinkering time and see what the youngin's could do. PG and Mac were definitely bringing the energy.

Looking forward to Friday.

90'sNBARocked
10-07-2010, 11:14 AM
JOB is full of shtt!!!

All he does is freakin lie and make stupid choices . Even Slick said what is Lance doing at PG? It is painfuklly clear he is a SG!! McBob hoisting 3's agian? Very little pick and roll


For the love of God , please get this freakin clown out of here

I dont care who I offend, or who defends him. I can not even fathom who somoeone can defend the worst coach the Pacers have had since, well maybe ever

Preseason or not, I dont care I already see problems rearing their ugly head

How the *&^%$ does this clown have a job?

How can anyone be so delousional?

This f'n guy is going to f'up our season yet again!!!! Im so sick of this .


Please , please , please fire his arse now and put anyone of the assistants in charge

Bird what does He have on you

Im done , I pray everyday is Jim's last as a Pacer coach

I cant stomach looking at this clown , smirking, defiant, lieing, .How do you have such a shtty record going on four years and still have a job?

Carslyle took a depleted team after the suspension and made them play their butts off. No one can tell me that RC wouldnt have done much better than this clown

He freakin sux and anyone who justifies anything this clown does sux as well

vnzla81
10-07-2010, 11:17 AM
That was funny, thanks :laugh:

MyFavMartin
10-07-2010, 11:20 AM
Can anyone tell me if Roy was out at the very end of the game? I know he was substituted out on the jump ball, but was there a chance to get him back in?

My thoughts is if Roy got them that far, ride the horse that got you there and not to pull him out.

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 11:21 AM
Quote from ESPN's Game Recap:

"I think I could have played stronger," Hibbert said, later adding: "I was really nervous before the game, and (it's good) to get the first one out of the way."

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Couple positives I took from the game:

1. Roy's double-double.

2. Collison had 5 assists in 24 minutes.

Sounded like Posey wasn't good at the PF position and thus, there's minutes there at that position for Jeff and Tyler. Unfortunately, Jeff got hurt early in the game taking a charge and Tyler was out, so JOB was scrambling...

Sounded like the 2nd half was tinkering time and see what the youngin's could do. PG and Mac were definitely bringing the energy.

Looking forward to Friday.

RE: The bolded part

In other news, the sun rose in the East this morning and will set in the West this evening.

90'sNBARocked
10-07-2010, 11:21 AM
That was funny, thanks :laugh:

VNZLA,

I know you feel the same bro

Jim O Brien is the epitome of the definition of insanity

Doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different result

I just met my end last night . This piece of *** will ruin the guys . No wonder they were pissed when he got the most undeserved contract extension in the history of professional sports

Everyone has a limit and I met mine last night

He sux, he will always sux, I hope he goes back to Philly and coaches AAU ball

Freakin clown

Unclebuck
10-07-2010, 11:21 AM
90'sNBARocked - Part of me has to assume you are joking. if so that is pretty funny. if you aren't joking - then I would question how you can suggest all that from the 1st preseason game that you didn't even see.

How you know all that without seeing the game is beyond me. i didn't see the game and I have no clue - I know I cannot possibly critique a game when I have not seen it. (I listened to parts of it and just from that I know one of Josh's threes was to beat the shot clock - he had to take it, but I can't really comment on the game otherwise.

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 11:25 AM
Yeah, I was going to say, were you at the game? How do you know how much pick and roll we ran?

Slick saying Lance is not a PG is fine, but it's the first preseason game....he could develop. I agree he is better as a SG right now, but I doubt O'Brien is the only one who views Lance as a point. He's been touted as a point guard for us by everyone connected with the Pacers since he was drafted.

I think you're just reacting to react, unlike UB, I don't think you're joking.

90'sNBARocked
10-07-2010, 11:27 AM
90'sNBARocked - Part of me has to assume you are joking. if so that is pretty funny. if you aren't joking - then I would question how you can suggest all that from the 1st preseason game that you didn't even see.

Buck , I wish I was man.

I am deadly serious. I will tell you right now Jim is going to coach the same way he has always been. He is going to continue tinkering with lineups all season. He is going to do the same crap as always. I can even look at him , as I want to throw up in my mouth.

I know you think I am being extreem , and I respect your right to differ from me

For me personally though, I want this guy fired so bad my &*&^% is hard.

I will tell you right now sir it is going to be the same as last year and the year before

I just cant take anymore of his lies, stoic attitude and his style of coaching that not only doesnt work, but goes against virtually every fundamental coaching rule

But I can promise you this , I will do my best not to beat a dead horse, because Im with you and bill that it gets old real fast

I wish his wife would leave him, he should be arrested and charged with impersonating a man

Im done, sorry too much built up angre, and far too much coffee

I will though seriously try and make this my last rant on Jim O BS

Speed
10-07-2010, 11:27 AM
Lance not being a Point sounds right, doesn't mean he doesn't have the skillset to be one though.

OakMoses
10-07-2010, 11:28 AM
He freakin sux and anyone who justifies anything this clown does sux as well

I sux.

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 11:28 AM
90's,

I'll ask again, did you watch the game? It was not televised. How did you see it? How are you reaching these conclusions?

90'sNBARocked
10-07-2010, 11:31 AM
Yeah, I was going to say, were you at the game? How do you know how much pick and roll we ran?

Slick saying Lance is not a PG is fine, but it's the first preseason game....he could develop. I agree he is better as a SG right now, but I doubt O'Brien is the only one who views Lance as a point. He's been touted as a point guard for us by everyone connected with the Pacers since he was drafted.

I think you're just reacting to react, unlike UB, I don't think you're joking.

I know I am man, I am just fed up .

Now we have a nice little thing going and I am real excited this year, and if they can bansih Tinsely from the team , i would like to send Obie packing

I know its an emotional rant but My God, he has had 4 years


sorry guys

McKeyFan
10-07-2010, 11:31 AM
Can anyone tell me if Roy was out at the very end of the game? I know he was substituted out on the jump ball, but was there a chance to get him back in?

My thoughts is if Roy got them that far, ride the horse that got you there and not to pull him out.

Speaking of "Calling it", I have been saying all summer since JOB has been coachspeaking about Roy getting all these minutes—the problem is that he always pulls Roy at the end of the game, the last three or four minutes, when it really counts.

I don't care about stats and matchups and all that overanalysis crud. Put your gamers in at the end, the guys you are counting on to get you over the goal line.

I swear, JOB would use a pinch hitter at the of the game instead of Babe Ruth, because the pitcher is right-handed.

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 11:33 AM
I know I am man, I am just fed up .

Now we have a nice little thing going and I am real excited this year, and if they can bansih Tinsely from the team , i would like to send Obie packing

I know its an emotional rant but My God, he has had 4 years


sorry guys

I don't understand what caused this reaction though...

Because we lost preseason game 1 by 2 points? Because Josh McRoberts shot 50% from behind the arc?

I don't get it. You couldn't have seen the game, so what made you so upset? Nothing even happened.

Unclebuck
10-07-2010, 11:33 AM
Speaking of "Calling it", I have been saying all summer since JOB has been coachspeaking about Roy getting all these minutes—the problem is that he always pulls Roy at the end of the game, the last three or four minutes, when it really counts.

I don't care about stats and matchups and all that overanalysis crud. Put your gamers in at the end, the guys you are counting on to get you over the goal line.

I swear, JOB would use a pinch hitter at the of the game instead of Babe Ruth, because the pitcher is right-handed.

do you know who was in the game at the end last night?

I just checked the game log and Roy was in at the end - he was taken out with 13 second left, put back in with .04 left.

Once again i'll repeat this is the first preseason game - whether the starters play at the end last night tells us nothing about what will happen in a regular game.

90'sNBARocked
10-07-2010, 11:34 AM
90's,

I'll ask again, did you watch the game? It was not televised. How did you see it? How are you reaching these conclusions?

I saw the hihlights but I learned from reports and box scores


I am calming down now thanks to some push ups, but man I am telling you guys if this guy doesnt revert to everything he's done in the past,

Then I will drive from the Chi to Nap in january and detail Bucks and Bill S car

No BS

90'sNBARocked
10-07-2010, 11:36 AM
I don't understand what caused this reaction though...

Because we lost preseason game 1 by 2 points? Because Josh McRoberts shot 50% from behind the arc?

I don't get it. You couldn't have seen the game, so what made you so upset? Nothing even happened.

its the pattern bro

For all his retoric that things will be different this year I bet my left nut that is not the case

Go back to the game Lester Connor coached at Toronto last year. Check the reaction the players were having

Im not saying Im making this judgement soley off 1 preseason game Im just saying he is not going to change

leppoard dont change his spots

McKeyFan
10-07-2010, 11:36 AM
do you know who was in the game at the end last night?

Good question.

You can scrap that rant if my facts are off.

It was my understanding, listening to the game, that Roy was pulled in the last minute. I'm not sure if he was put back in or not.

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 11:37 AM
I saw the hihlights but I learned from reports and box scores


I am calming down now thanks to some push ups, but man I am telling you guys if this guy doesnt revert to everything he's done in the past,

Then I will drive from the Chi to Nap in january and detail Bucks and Bill S car

No BS

You learned all that from the highlights, the reports, and the box score?

:bananadea

90'sNBARocked
10-07-2010, 11:40 AM
Joe ,
I cant pull out things like "at 7:34 in the first quarter JOB called for a 3pt play to McBob

It all goes back to what I feel 110%, and that Jim Obrien and his refual to adapt will waste yet another Pacer season again

Please save all these, mark it somewhere. I am that confident that I will be correct, unfortunately

vnzla81
10-07-2010, 11:41 AM
[QUOTE=90'sNBARocked;1070215]its the pattern bro

For all his retoric that things will be different this year I bet my left nut that is not the case

Go back to the game Lester Connor coached at Toronto last year. Check the reaction the players were having

Im not saying Im making this judgement soley off 1 preseason game Im just saying he is not going to change

leppoard dont change his spots[/QUOTE

Hey man I feel your pain, I want the clown gone yesterday, the only thing that I could tell you is to wait at least to watch all the preseason games and at least 10regular season games to freakout, trust me I'll be paying attention to this guys.

Cherokee
10-07-2010, 11:42 AM
Lance not being a Point sounds right, doesn't mean he doesn't have the skillset to be one though.

I agree. Further, isn't the idea that Lance could play against some of the bigger point guards and not the small ones like last night? That's what I had gleaned from previous reading.

Unclebuck
10-07-2010, 11:43 AM
I don't care about stats and matchups and all that overanalysis crud. Put your gamers in at the end, the guys you are counting on to get you over the goal line.

I swear, JOB would use a pinch hitter at the of the game instead of Babe Ruth, because the pitcher is right-handed.

You know which pacers coach used situation substitutions more than any coach we have ever had certainly more than JOB - larry Brown went offense - defense all the time at the end.

The point I'm making is sometimes it is a good thing sometimes it is not a good thing. Depends on the game and the situation. But making a blanket statement as you did I think is wrong.

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 11:43 AM
Joe ,
I cant pull out things like "at 7:34 in the first quarter JOB called for a 3pt play to McBob

It all goes back to what I feel 110%, and that Jim Obrien and his refual to adapt will waste yet another Pacer season again

Please save all these, mark it somewhere. I am that confident that I will be correct, unfortunately

Why are you upset that McRoberts shot 2/4 from behind the arc? I don't understand that, well at all. You are harping on that, but you are acting like he shot 0/4 and he didn't. He was efficient from behind the arc, why does that upset you so much?

vnzla81
10-07-2010, 11:48 AM
I saw the hihlights but I learned from reports and box scores


I am calming down now thanks to some push ups, but man I am telling you guys if this guy doesnt revert to everything he's done in the past,

Then I will drive from the Chi to Nap in january and detail Bucks and Bill S car

No BS

I also think that is funny that you are doing push ups to control your anger:laugh:

bballpacen
10-07-2010, 11:54 AM
Why are you upset that McRoberts shot 2/4 from behind the arc? I don't understand that, well at all. You are harping on that, but you are acting like he shot 0/4 and he didn't. He was efficient from behind the arc, why does that upset you so much?
Coachspeak... Did not Obie say that McRoberts would not be judged on his ability to shoot the 3... So then why did McRoberts work on his 3 pt shoot this summer, under direction from Obie...

I understand that this is only the first preseason game, and therefore is irrelevant to the season, but this season I feel is a very important one in our future... We have young talent, and as far as we can tell, a cohesive group... Do you want to run the risk of this foundation being chipped away by Obie's system, stubbornness, irrationality, ect??

I really dont see Obie changing his style to suit our team... How in the hell are we gonna be able to reach the playoffs if we cannot play defense?? ...if our outside shooting goes cold for a stretch of a few games??

90'sNBARocked
10-07-2010, 11:55 AM
Why are you upset that McRoberts shot 2/4 from behind the arc? I don't understand that, well at all. You are harping on that, but you are acting like he shot 0/4 and he didn't. He was efficient from behind the arc, why does that upset you so much?

It upsets me because yet again Jim gave us this crap about how shooting is not importnat, how McBob wont be judged on shooting. So then you have Mcbob of course jacking up 3's all summer, in practice, and now the first pre season game

Jim just reminds me of why I absolutley would rather watch the histroy of the bilingual bee keeper than anything about politics

Its all BS , its saying one thing in public and doing another in private

Why this bothers me soo much is we finally ahve a decent squad that likes each other, and if I had a boss, who woudl treat employees differntly, lie to us, and be a complete hypocrite, my work would suck

90'sNBARocked
10-07-2010, 11:56 AM
I also think that is funny that you are doing push ups to control your anger:laugh:

either that or beat my cubicle like a evil step child

BillS
10-07-2010, 11:56 AM
1) Roy was in at the end, there was a defense/offense swap on the last jump ball that put Josh in and then put Roy back in. That in and of itself is very different from what we saw last year.

2) The entire first half was about getting to the basket, with comments made about a number of pick and rolls and some strong screen setting that drew fouls. This also is very different from what we saw last year and many years before.

3) The fourth quarter devolved into a jump shot love fest, granted. However, most of the time on the floor in that quarter was from guys lower on the totem pole being evaluated. Not sure why going to the basket fell apart there, but I'm sure passing from PG was a big factor. It's preseason, here - and ONLY here - the purpose is to evaluate people in positions they may have looked good in camp or summer against better competition.

4) Re: Danny - while I know his numbers haven't always been the greatest in preseason, I don't recall them being as much from poor decisions as last night seemed to be. I am not panicking, I am just worried.

5) Speculating on minutes is pointless in preseason, you are definitely not approaching "normal" minutes until nearly the first regular season game. The only meaningful minutes, I think, was Roy playing 30 for almost the first time in his career (not just his NBA career, his college career as well as I understand it). That's huge, and not an indication that JOB is going back on his word.

McKeyFan
10-07-2010, 11:58 AM
You know which pacers coach used situation substitutions more than any coach we have ever had certainly more than JOB - larry Brown went offense - defense all the time at the end.

The point I'm making is sometimes it is a good thing sometimes it is not a good thing. Depends on the game and the situation. But making a blanket statement as you did I think is wrong.

A couple things here.

We don't have the facts yet, but if it is true that Roy got pulled with 20 some seconds left for "defensive" reasons, but then did not get reinserted for the final offensive play (they could have called timeout with 11 seconds to go), then my point stands.

Secondly, the problem last year with JOB was not that he went offense/defense. He just went "no Roy." Because he seems to have a bias against Roy, in my opinion. Sure, he's coachspeaking right not that he doesn't. Let's just watch and see what happens at the end of games.

So, the larger issue, in my opinion, is his ability as a coach to judge the ability, drive, savvy, and gamesmanship of his personnel. Larry Brown made the determination that having Antonio Davis in the game at the end over Rik was a good call. I happen to agree with that.

I don't agree that Murphy/Granger was a better solution last year than Roy/Granger or Roy/Murphy/Granger. In regards to assessing Roy's effectiveness at the end of games, JOB and I disagree. It's a judgment call. And I'm afraid JOB's judgment will be to continue pulling Roy at the end of games.

imawhat
10-07-2010, 11:59 AM
It upsets me because yet again Jim gave us this crap about how shooting is not importnat, how McBob wont be judged on shooting. So then you have Mcbob of course jacking up 3's all summer, in practice, and now the first pre season game

Jim just reminds me of why I absolutley would rather watch the histroy of the bilingual bee keeper than anything about politics

He said McRoberts wouldn't be judged on shooting, which is much different than saying "don't shoot the three".

I believe O'Brien, but I also believe that Josh has learned that his playing time (in the past) was based on his ability to hit the three point shot.

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 11:59 AM
Coachspeak... Did not Obie say that McRoberts would not be judged on his ability to shoot the 3... So then why did McRoberts work on his 3 pt shoot this summer, under direction from Obie...

I understand that this is only the first preseason game, and therefore is irrelevant to the season, but this season I feel is a very important one in our future... We have young talent, and as far as we can tell, a cohesive group... Do you want to run the risk of this foundation being chipped away by Obie's system, stubbornness, irrationality, ect??

I really dont see Obie changing his style to suit our team... How in the hell are we gonna be able to reach the playoffs if we cannot play defense?? ...if our outside shooting goes cold for a stretch of a few games??

It's not possible that maybe, just maybe McBob wanted to be a better shooter? Plus you guys are acting like McBob's never shot jump shots before in his life, the guy was known as a point forward at Carmel and Duke, he played on the perimeter all the time. This is not something new to his game. He's not Dale Davis or anything like that, he's not going to live and die in the post, but he's also not going to live and die with his jump shot like Troy would. The goal is for him to be somewhere in the middle, that has always been his game. Ever since I saw him play at Carmel, he has mixed inside and outside. It's not going to change now, just because he provided a stark contrast to Troy does not make him Troy's exact opposite. If you guys were expecting a back to the basket, punishing PF out of McBob you're going to be sorely disappointed. That's never been his game. It never will be his game, it takes away a lot of his positives like his ball handling, passing, athleticism, and decent jumper.

BillS
10-07-2010, 12:00 PM
It upsets me because yet again Jim gave us this crap about how shooting is not importnat, how McBob wont be judged on shooting. So then you have Mcbob of course jacking up 3's all summer, in practice, and now the first pre season game

Jim just reminds me of why I absolutley would rather watch the histroy of the bilingual bee keeper than anything about politics

Its all BS , its saying one thing in public and doing another in private

Why this bothers me soo much is we finally ahve a decent squad that likes each other, and if I had a boss, who woudl treat employees differntly, lie to us, and be a complete hypocrite, my work would suck

So your choice would be for a coach to tell a player "don't work on that aspect of your game, if you work on it don't use it, and definitely if you have a wide open makeable shot don't take it"?

Outside shooting is part of the NBA. A big who can use it is highly valuable. I wasn't hearing plays run for McRoberts to be outside, from the commentary it sounded for at least the makes that he was in motion and was open at those spots and was successful taking advantage.

How many 3s did Murph shoot a game, and how many did Josh shoot? How many inside shots and slams did Murph attempt during the game and how many dis Josh do? To take the fact that Josh shot some from 3 as some indication JOB is trying to turn Josh into Troy is ridiculous. I take it as an indication that Josh has another weapon in his arsenal, and it looks like a successful one to me.

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 12:02 PM
It upsets me because yet again Jim gave us this crap about how shooting is not importnat, how McBob wont be judged on shooting. So then you have Mcbob of course jacking up 3's all summer, in practice, and now the first pre season game

Jim just reminds me of why I absolutley would rather watch the histroy of the bilingual bee keeper than anything about politics

Its all BS , its saying one thing in public and doing another in private

Why this bothers me soo much is we finally ahve a decent squad that likes each other, and if I had a boss, who woudl treat employees differntly, lie to us, and be a complete hypocrite, my work would suck

Well if Josh McRoberts keeps going 2/4 from behind the arc for the rest of the season, you're free to keep complaining all you like, but it won't make it correct.

I think you just don't like the 3 point shot or somehting.

90'sNBARocked
10-07-2010, 12:02 PM
4) Re: Danny - while I know his numbers haven't always been the greatest in preseason, I don't recall them being as much from poor decisions as last night seemed to be. I am not panicking, I am just worried.


Bill , you are not the only one. I too am very worried about granger. Not because he went 1-9 but to me the Granger that dove on the floor and lost his teeth is not anything like the Granger of last year and the preseaason

Hope I am just beign paranoid

MagicRat
10-07-2010, 12:03 PM
Speaking of "Calling it", I have been saying all summer since JOB has been coachspeaking about Roy getting all these minutes—the problem is that he always pulls Roy at the end of the game, the last three or four minutes, when it really counts.

I don't care about stats and matchups and all that overanalysis crud. Put your gamers in at the end, the guys you are counting on to get you over the goal line.

I swear, JOB would use a pinch hitter at the of the game instead of Babe Ruth, because the pitcher is right-handed.

Everybody was supposed to be limited to 24 mins. Roy played 31.

90'sNBARocked
10-07-2010, 12:05 PM
[QUOTE=BillS;1070242]So your choice would be for a coach to tell a player "don't work on that aspect of your game, if you work on it don't use it, and definitely if you have a wide open makeable shot don't take it"?


You are correct

Someone like McBob, I would absolutely NOT want shooting 3's and no Jim is not trying to make McBob into Troy, but rather make McBob into the tyoe of "stretch 4 " he likes

I trully dont know what you gentlemen derive from rationalizing the most irrational coach I have witnessed

Just mark my words, the problmes we had with Jim last eyar we will have again

Hell, even RC adjusted his style when he had too

McKeyFan
10-07-2010, 12:09 PM
Everybody was supposed to be limited to 24 mins. Roy played 31.

I'll grant you that.

But I highly doubt Roy got pulled with 20 seconds left because JOB was concerned about his number of minutes.

Sure, the sample of evidence is too small at this point to know what will happen. I just know he got pulled in crunch time all last year, and it happened again last night (I think) for whatever reason.

Let's hope its a preseason thing with no indication of future decisions.

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 12:09 PM
So you don't want your power forward to ever shoot a three? Even if it is a skill he has?

And you call O'Brien stubborn and close minded? That might be the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard.

You never limit a player. Josh from all reports was all over the court, he had threes, he had dunks, he played D, he rebounded, and he passed well. And yet we're still finding things to ***** about. Unbelievable.

And like I said, Josh has always, and I mean ALWAYS had a lot of stretch 4 in his game. It's not something new, it's been there since high school. Those of you who believe it has just now shown up, must have not watched him very often.

And you're all acting like he's Troy Murphy, give me a f'ing break, when did Murphy ever and I mean EVER make a play like the reverse dunk put back Josh had last night?

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 12:12 PM
I'll grant you that.

But I highly doubt Roy got pulled with 20 seconds left because JOB was concerned about his number of minutes.

Sure, the sample of evidence is too small at this point to know what will happen. I just know he got pulled in crunch time all last year, and it happened again last night (I think) for whatever reason.

Let's hope its a preseason thing with no indication of future decisions.

Did you conveniently skip over this several posts back?


1) Roy was in at the end, there was a defense/offense swap on the last jump ball that put Josh in and then put Roy back in. That in and of itself is very different from what we saw last year.

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 12:14 PM
And for the record in half court play, the places I think Josh can score most effectively, are:

1.) The high post
2.) Motion leading to easy layins or dunks
3.) Motion leading to jump shots (which is what it sounds like his 3s were last night)

If you guys want Josh McRoberts to be a back to the basket bruising power foward, good luck with that. This team will be horrible if we try to make him play like that.

McKeyFan
10-07-2010, 12:15 PM
Did you conveniently skip over this several posts back?

No, I didn't see that.

If Roy was in at the end, I'm a happy man.

BillS
10-07-2010, 12:17 PM
So your choice would be for a coach to tell a player "don't work on that aspect of your game, if you work on it don't use it, and definitely if you have a wide open makeable shot don't take it"?


You are correct

Someone like McBob, I would absolutely NOT want shooting 3's and no Jim is not trying to make McBob into Troy, but rather make McBob into the tyoe of "stretch 4 " he likes

I trully dont know what you gentlemen derive from rationalizing the most irrational coach I have witnessed

Just mark my words, the problmes we had with Jim last eyar we will have again

Hell, even RC adjusted his style when he had too

I don't get this.

Sure, a big forward shouldn't be using the 3 as his primary weapon, but if he can make it with good consistency why would you choose not to use it at all? That'd be like not having a PG or SG back someone smaller down in the post because guards aren't supposed to do that kind of thing.

The big question is, did Josh take more attempts at and around the basket than he did from 3 point range? My anecdotal answer to that is "yes", not even counting the activity at the basket on other player's shots.

Josh is not being camped at tyhe 3 point line, nor is he trailing the play in order to be in position at the 3. He is being used differently, and I think wisely, and as long as it doesn't become something that continues if Josh starts shooting poorly from outside, I'm all for it.

I understand that latter point is your concern, but to rant about Josh shooting 4 threes smacks of Noah having the screaming fits the first time there were 2 days of rain once the floods receded...

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 12:17 PM
And good Lord, I'm involved in a thread where I'm defending Jim O'Brien. I never thought I'd see the day, but I suppose you have to do that when people start claiming that they'd rather not see a PF shoot a three at all even if it is open, in the flow of the offense, and a skill he has. That just boggles my mind.

naptownmenace
10-07-2010, 12:17 PM
Sometime before summer league they said the best way for him to learn to shoot threes in games, is to shoot them in games. I'm guessing this is why they have him shooting so many in summer league and preseason. I think its the main reason he was in summer league actually. I doubt he'll shoot them that much in real games.

I agree with the first 3 sentences but not the last one in bold. He'll shoot them when he's open, you can bet on it.

And anyone upset with coach O'Brien over the first preseason game is just being irrational. The preseason isn't about winning games (at least not the first couple of games). It's about finding out what player combinations work and don't work well out on the floor. We shouldn't draw any conclusions about how the Pacers are going to play in the regular season from last night's game. None. Zero. Nada.

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 12:19 PM
I don't get this.

Sure, a big forward shouldn't be using the 3 as his primary weapon, but if he can make it with good consistency why would you choose not to use it at all? That'd be like not having a PG or SG back someone smaller down in the post because guards aren't supposed to do that kind of thing.

The big question is, did Josh take more attempts at and around the basket than he did from 3 point range? My anecdotal answer to that is "yes", not even counting the activity at the basket on other player's shots.

Josh is not being camped at tyhe 3 point line, nor is he trailing the play in order to be in position at the 3. He is being used differently, and I think wisely, and as long as it doesn't become something that continues if Josh starts shooting poorly from outside, I'm all for it.

I understand that latter point is your concern, but to rant about Josh shooting 4 threes smacks of Noah having the screaming fits the first time there were 2 days of rain once the floods receded...

I mean doesn't the follow up dunk on the fast break pretty much show he's not bound to be Troy Murphy? Troy would have hung back and looked for a kick back for the open jumper, he would have never attacked like that.

If Josh is open and can shoot the J, he should do it. It'd be incredibly stupid for him not to. That doesn't mean we're running plays for him to shoot the 3, even if we're running 1 or 2 a game, what's the big deal?

Some of you must hate watching Dirk in Dallas.

McKeyFan
10-07-2010, 12:20 PM
Did you conveniently skip over this several posts back?

Actually, it looks like I was right.

Below is NBA.com's play by play. Roy was pulled with 13 seconds left. He was not put in for the final offensive play with 11 seconds left. Again, JOB leaves Roy out at crunch time. Angers me and worries me.

He WAS put in with .1 seconds left, but that is not germane (can't use the word irrelevant anymore.)

00:16.6 Team Timeout : Regular
Hibbert Substitution replaced by McRoberts 00:13.2
00:13.2 Jump Ball Young vs Price
00:13.2 Young Violation:Jump Ball
00:13.2 Young Turnover : Jump Ball Violation (1 TO)
Price Turnover : Bad Pass (1 TO) Steal:Davis (1 ST) 00:01.0
Stephenson Foul : Personal (3 PF) 00:00.4
Stephenson Substitution replaced by Hibbert 00:00.4
00:00.4
[MEM 87-85] Henry Free Throw 1 of 2 (6 PTS)
00:00.4 Henry Free Throw 2 of 2 Missed
McRoberts Rebound (Off:2 Def:5) 00:00.1
Team Timeout : Regular 00:00.1
Hibbert Substitution replaced by Stephenson 00:00.1
00:00.1 Law Substitution replaced by Gasol
00:00.1 Davis Substitution replaced by Arthur
Posey Turnover : Bad Pass (1 TO) Steal:Henry (2 ST) 00:00.1
END OF 4TH QUARTER

Hicks
10-07-2010, 12:20 PM
Speaking of "Calling it", I have been saying all summer since JOB has been coachspeaking about Roy getting all these minutes—the problem is that he always pulls Roy at the end of the game, the last three or four minutes, when it really counts.

I don't care about stats and matchups and all that overanalysis crud. Put your gamers in at the end, the guys you are counting on to get you over the goal line.

I swear, JOB would use a pinch hitter at the of the game instead of Babe Ruth, because the pitcher is right-handed.

Uh, it's pre-season. Did you see Collison or Granger out there at the end? No? Gee, Jim must truly have lost his mind; he's not even going to have ANY of our 3 best players in at crunch time this year!

Peck
10-07-2010, 12:20 PM
Didn't see the game so I am only going on boxscores here but it looked like Josh had a decent overall statline. He was second on the club in assists for the night, which does not suprise me at all.

I'll get a better feel for the team on Friday but even then I know that what I am going to see is not what I'm going to get during the regular season.

Also, Foster was injured?

Any reports as to how or what is injured?

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 12:24 PM
Actually, it looks like I was right.

Below is NBA.com's play by play. Roy was pulled with 13 seconds left. He was not put in for the final offensive play with 11 seconds left. Again, JOB leaves Roy out at crunch time. Angers me and worries me.

He WAS put in with .1 seconds left, but that is not germane (can't use the word irrelevant anymore.)

00:16.6 Team Timeout : Regular
Hibbert Substitution replaced by McRoberts 00:13.2
00:13.2 Jump Ball Young vs Price
00:13.2 Young Violation:Jump Ball
00:13.2 Young Turnover : Jump Ball Violation (1 TO)
Price Turnover : Bad Pass (1 TO) Steal:Davis (1 ST) 00:01.0
Stephenson Foul : Personal (3 PF) 00:00.4
Stephenson Substitution replaced by Hibbert 00:00.4
00:00.4
[MEM 87-85] Henry Free Throw 1 of 2 (6 PTS)
00:00.4 Henry Free Throw 2 of 2 Missed
McRoberts Rebound (Off:2 Def:5) 00:00.1
Team Timeout : Regular 00:00.1
Hibbert Substitution replaced by Stephenson 00:00.1
00:00.1 Law Substitution replaced by Gasol
00:00.1 Davis Substitution replaced by Arthur
Posey Turnover : Bad Pass (1 TO) Steal:Henry (2 ST) 00:00.1
END OF 4TH QUARTER

Well, I'm not sure what to think on this especially considering that box scores were showing Hansbrough with minutes and a missed shot at one point last night.

bballpacen
10-07-2010, 12:25 PM
It's not possible that maybe, just maybe McBob wanted to be a better shooter? Plus you guys are acting like McBob's never shot jump shots before in his life, the guy was known as a point forward at Carmel and Duke, he played on the perimeter all the time. This is not something new to his game. He's not Dale Davis or anything like that, he's not going to live and die in the post, but he's also not going to live and die with his jump shot like Troy would. The goal is for him to be somewhere in the middle, that has always been his game. Ever since I saw him play at Carmel, he has mixed inside and outside. It's not going to change now, just because he provided a stark contrast to Troy does not make him Troy's exact opposite. If you guys were expecting a back to the basket, punishing PF out of McBob you're going to be sorely disappointed. That's never been his game. It never will be his game, it takes away a lot of his positives like his ball handling, passing, athleticism, and decent jumper.Sure... I will agree that he will mix it up, but playing from the outside for McBob had not really included such a high volume of 3pt shot attempts... Lets look at his time at Duke...

In his first season at Duke, he took only 13 3pt attempts... Making 5 of them... Sophmore season he took 23 and made 5 again... That is 10 of 36... Not to great of a percentage, and not exactly a real threat to hoist up a trey...

Coming into this year, McBob has shoot a total of 34 threes, and made 8(all last season)... I am not saying that he doesnt want to be better, or have confidance if he is left open, but 3pt shooting has never been a staple to his game... Now all of a sudden it is, just as Murphy has been traded?? Seems to be slightly more than coincedence to me...

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 12:26 PM
He's also getting more minutes at the NBA level than he ever has before, so saying he's only shot 34 threes is sort of a skewed statistic.

daschysta
10-07-2010, 12:26 PM
Actually, it looks like I was right.

Below is NBA.com's play by play. Roy was pulled with 13 seconds left. He was not put in for the final offensive play with 11 seconds left. Again, JOB leaves Roy out at crunch time. Angers me and worries me.

He WAS put in with .1 seconds left, but that is not germane (can't use the word irrelevant anymore.)

00:16.6 Team Timeout : Regular
Hibbert Substitution replaced by McRoberts 00:13.2
00:13.2 Jump Ball Young vs Price
00:13.2 Young Violation:Jump Ball
00:13.2 Young Turnover : Jump Ball Violation (1 TO)
Price Turnover : Bad Pass (1 TO) Steal:Davis (1 ST) 00:01.0
Stephenson Foul : Personal (3 PF) 00:00.4
Stephenson Substitution replaced by Hibbert 00:00.4
00:00.4
[MEM 87-85] Henry Free Throw 1 of 2 (6 PTS)
00:00.4 Henry Free Throw 2 of 2 Missed
McRoberts Rebound (Off:2 Def:5) 00:00.1
Team Timeout : Regular 00:00.1
Hibbert Substitution replaced by Stephenson 00:00.1
00:00.1 Law Substitution replaced by Gasol
00:00.1 Davis Substitution replaced by Arthur
Posey Turnover : Bad Pass (1 TO) Steal:Henry (2 ST) 00:00.1
END OF 4TH QUARTER

The last sequence is included in the highlights on NBA.com. I could be wrong but i seem to remember AJ trying to dump it off to hibbert when he made his turnover. I'm pretty sure that roy was in.

count55
10-07-2010, 12:26 PM
So you don't want your power forward to ever shoot a three? Even if it is a skill he has?

And you call O'Brien stubborn and close minded? That might be the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard.

You never limit a player. Josh from all reports was all over the court, he had threes, he had dunks, he played D, he rebounded, and he passed well. And yet we're still finding things to ***** about. Unbelievable.

Thank you.

A few months ago, there was a thread where the topic of the "stretch 4" and the 4-out came up. The question came up generally, "Should your Power Forward shoot threes?"

I was with a group of friends, and asked the question of them. The first response that came back in chorus was, "Can he hit 'em?"

It struck me that if you answer the first question - "Should your PF shoot threes?" - without answering the second question first - be that answer yes or no - you could never, ever be right.

The best you could hope for was to be coincidental.

McKeyFan
10-07-2010, 12:27 PM
Uh, it's pre-season. Did you see Collison or Granger out there at the end?

Fair enough.

It's just that Roy WAS in during the last 30 seconds. And JOB decided to pull him for "matchup" reasons. And we couldn't convert in our last offensive possession.

I wouldn't worry about this if Roy had just not been in the game. And I wouldn't worry if he had kept Roy in during the last possession.

But it does worry me that he did the same darn thing at the end of the game that he did all last year with Roy.

I fear this idea that Roy is our 2nd or 3rd best player is merely coachspeak. I sure hope I'm wrong.

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 12:27 PM
RE: McBob shooting 3s

I'm still not sure I follow the logic though. So if the Pacers offense results in open 3s for McBob and he makes it, it has somehow failed? I don't understand that.

pacer4ever
10-07-2010, 12:29 PM
RE: McBob shooting 3s

I'm still not sure I follow the logic though. So if the Pacers offense results in open 3s for McBob and he makes it, it has somehow failed? I don't understand that.

that is not a high % shot he isnt gonna shot 50% from 3pt range

count55
10-07-2010, 12:31 PM
Also, Foster was injured?

Any reports as to how or what is injured?

The way that Mark was dancing around the incident, saying he looked more hurt than injured, it made me think he got hit in the family jewels.

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 12:32 PM
The last sequence is included in the highlights on NBA.com. I could be wrong but i seem to remember AJ trying to dump it off to hibbert when he made his turnover. I'm pretty sure that roy was in.

Yep, Roy is definitely in for the last offensive play. AJ tries to get him the ball when he turns it over.

http://www.nba.com/video/games/grizzlies/2010/10/06/0011000013_ind_mem_recap.nba/index.html

Watch it there if you don't believe me.

bballpacen
10-07-2010, 12:32 PM
RE: McBob shooting 3s

I'm still not sure I follow the logic though. So if the Pacers offense results in open 3s for McBob and he makes it, it has somehow failed? I don't understand that.
Not at all... If he is open... I hope he shoots w/out hesitation... But being encouraged to take threes as part of his normal offensive game is not helpful...

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 12:34 PM
that is not a high % shot he isnt gonna shot 50% from 3pt range

An open 3 isn't a high percentage shot? My mind is being blown right now, I need to sit down or get some fresh air.

Where am I? Is this real life?

Justin Tyme
10-07-2010, 12:35 PM
[QUOTE=90'sNBARocked;1070194]

No wonder they were pissed when he got the most undeserved contract extension in the history of professional sports /QUOTE]


He never got an extension. Bird picked up Jimmy's 4th year which was a team option. He's now going into his 4th year via the TO, and is in the last year of his contract. He and Bird both have contracts with for only 1 year. Both are lame ducks.

Trader Joe
10-07-2010, 12:35 PM
Not at all... If he is open... I hope he shoots w/out hesitation... But being encouraged to take threes as part of his normal offensive game is not helpful...

He's probably just been told to shoot if he is open and he can make it, so that is why I don't understand this out cry.

It's as if Obie said to him last night, "go out and shoot as many threes as you can if you get the ball at any point in time on our side of the court shoot it."

That's how some of the reaction has been.