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Slick Pinkham
02-04-2004, 07:39 PM
Please vote for the player most desrving, and (important!) tell us whom he should replace

LeBron James
Chauncey Billups
Richard Hamilton
Lamar Odom
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Carlos Boozer
Elton Brand
Zach Randolph
Carmelo Anthony
Mike Bibby
other (please specify)

oops... was supposed to be a poll, but this will be OK anyway.

ROCislandWarrior
02-04-2004, 07:40 PM
either
Chauncey Billups
or
Richard Hamilton


Second best team in the EC and they only get one allstar

ROCislandWarrior
02-04-2004, 07:44 PM
oh and one of them would replace magloire...idc if they had to pick a center it is not right

Hicks
02-04-2004, 07:48 PM
LeBron James.

A friggin' ROOKIE is averaging 21ppg, 6rpg, and 6apg. No way he shouldn't be on the list.

Cactus Jax
02-04-2004, 09:05 PM
LeBron James.

A friggin' ROOKIE is averaging 21ppg, 6rpg, and 6apg. No way he shouldn't be on the list.

I agree 100% that Lebron should be on the all-star team. This is why the league needs to add another slot or two that can be any position picks.

And again with the west picks, I felt they were the best ones possible for what they HAD to make. Bibby or Nash didn't deserve to make it over Allen, those guys are third options on their teams, while Allen is the best two guard in the west this year. Zack Randolph is just screwed because the west has so many good forwards, with Dirk, AK 47, and Brad Miller making it ahead of him and Brand, Walker, and Gasol right next to Randolph.

MSA2CF
02-04-2004, 09:10 PM
Carmelo Anthony.

Without him, the Nuggets probably wouldn't have attracted all the free agents they did in the off-season. Without him, they'd be one of the worst teams in the West still.

flip
02-04-2004, 09:13 PM
Bibby - Boozer

birdman
02-04-2004, 09:39 PM
Lebron for Pierce- Lebron is just plain amazing and pierce is having an ok year, nothing special.

Randolph for Brad Miller- Both having great years, but i think zach deserved the spot more.

Slick Pinkham
02-04-2004, 09:49 PM
mine:

add LeBron, delete Pierce

next,
add Billups, delete Magliore (small team, but who cares)

next,
add Randolph, delete Allen (Ray is good, but missed 20+ games)

tdeltdot
02-04-2004, 10:17 PM
Stephon Marbury !!!
I don't see how there's even any debate...

Am I insane to think that he's the second best PG in the league, behind Kidd and barely in front of Nash (another guy who deserves to be there) and Cassell?

tdeltdot
02-04-2004, 10:27 PM
[quote]LeBron James.

A friggin' ROOKIE is averaging 21ppg, 6rpg, and 6apg. No way he shouldn't be on the list.

You forgot to mention 3.80 turnovers/pg and .411 from the field...

He's been incredible, no question about it. However, he's still got too many glitches in his game to be considered all-star calibre.

me thinks...

Hicks
02-04-2004, 10:41 PM
LeBron James.

A friggin' ROOKIE is averaging 21ppg, 6rpg, and 6apg. No way he shouldn't be on the list.

You forgot to mention 3.80 turnovers/pg and .411 from the field...

He's been incredible, no question about it. However, he's still got too many glitches in his game to be considered all-star calibre.

me thinks...

Paul Pierce is shooting 40% and averages 4.08 turnovers, and he's on the all-star team.

kerosene
02-04-2004, 11:59 PM
I think if you put LeBron on you'd need to put Carmelo on.
They're both in the rookie game. I think they're both on the path to being All-Stars next year.

I'm somewhat surprised the league doesn't have a "wildcard" position or something where ESPN could choose a player :laugh: :ninja:

tdeltdot
02-05-2004, 12:16 AM
LeBron James.

A friggin' ROOKIE is averaging 21ppg, 6rpg, and 6apg. No way he shouldn't be on the list.

You forgot to mention 3.80 turnovers/pg and .411 from the field...

He's been incredible, no question about it. However, he's still got too many glitches in his game to be considered all-star calibre.

me thinks...

Paul Pierce is shooting 40% and averages 4.08 turnovers, and he's on the all-star team.

Indeed.

I think that those stats for Pierce are simply a result of his intensity and style of play, though. He's incessantly working inside, taking contact, getting to the line, etc. And so I think that the TOs and the poor shooting % are simply necessary evils that result from a guy whose style of play brings a ton of intangibles to the game and is, over-all, highly-effective. In the same way that any big-man of merit (e.g. Duncan) should be getting his shot blocked on a regular basis (such being a sign of aggressive play), guys who play like Pierce shouldn't be faulted for taking/missing some tough shots and losing the ball once in a while.

For Lebron, who has been playing point and rarely posts-up, TOs and a poor shooting % aren't the flipside of a virtuous style of play. I think that for him they're just a sign of an, as-of-yet, undeveloped set of skills. 2-3 years from now he certainly won't still be shooting that poorly or coughing the ball up so often. And at that point he should certainly be an all-star.

Slick Pinkham
02-05-2004, 04:27 PM
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics,

but stats say that Andre Miller is perhaps having the 2nd best year among Western C PGs after Cassell.

A Nuggets fan at clutch city posted this:



* PPG:
Bibby -- 17.1
Francis -- 16.6
Miller -- 16.2
Payton -- 14.8
Nash -- 14.0

* RPG:
Francis -- 5.6
Miller -- 4.4
Payton -- 3.7
Bibby -- 3.3
Nash -- 3.0

* APG:
Nash -- 8.0
Miller -- 6.3
Payton -- 6.1
Francis -- 5.9
Bibby -- 5.3

* SPG:
Miller -- 1.63
Francis -- 1.43
Payton -- 1.32
Bibby -- 1.07
Nash -- 0.89

* FG%:
Miller -- 47.3%
Payton -- 47.2%
Bibby -- 44.5%
Nash -- 43.5%
Francis -- 39.5%

* FT%:
Nash -- 90.8%
Miller -- 85.5%
Bibby -- 80.6%
Francis -- 75.0%
Payton -- 70.5%

* 3PT%:
Bibby -- 40.6%
Nash -- 39.0%
Payton -- 34.7%
Francis -- 28.9%
Miller -- 19.6%

* Assist To Turnover Ratio:
Payton -- 3.06:1
Nash -- 3.0:1
Bibby -- 2.70:1
Miller -- 2.27:1
Francis -- 1.59:1

* Minutes Per Game:
Francis -- 39.7
Miller -- 34.6
Payton -- 34.0
Bibby -- 33.8
Nash -- 33.3