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Doug in CO
08-15-2004, 09:08 PM
It seems extremely odd to me that Dampier has not signed anywhere yet - does anyone think we have a real shot of landing him?

He walked away from money at Golden State because he did not want to play for a loser - which makes me think he will not go to Atlanta - so this, in my mind, leaves NY, Memphis, and us and options he is considering.

MSA2CF
08-15-2004, 09:10 PM
The ideal situation for both parties would be Memphis.

Hicks
08-15-2004, 09:12 PM
If you assume the Warriors won't make a sign-and-trade deal, and that he doesn't want to sign for another loser team, that only leaves two choices: He can sign with the Knicks for 4.9mm. He can sign here for about 2.4mm.

If winning is truly the most important thing to him, then the choice is obvious.

So if he really wants a ring, then yes, I think he might be a Pacer. But I don't know what he really wants.

bulletproof
08-15-2004, 09:29 PM
If you assume the Warriors won't make a sign-and-trade deal, and that he doesn't want to sign for another loser team, that only leaves two choices: He can sign with the Knicks for 4.9mm. He can sign here for about 2.4mm.

What about Memphis?

Hicks
08-15-2004, 09:41 PM
They used their MLE to sign Brian Cardinal. They'll have to trade to get him.

Cactus Jax
08-15-2004, 09:55 PM
I think Dampier's waiting for some sort of S&T scenario to go to the three teams mentioned, but if that doesn't happen, I think he'll sign in Atlanta.

SoupIsGood
08-15-2004, 09:58 PM
I'm starting to think Damp really does want a ring. If he wanted money, wouldn't he had already signed by now? And be out partying with his signing bonus? And buy a brand new mansion? And sit on his butt for 6 more years, while ripping off the team who gave him the contract? And then retire a fat-*** multi-millionaire and have bunch of little kiddys and lose all his money playing poker and ahve to scrape elephant dung for a living untill he dies of a cocaine overdose? :(

Let's hope he wants to win, for his sake.

DisplacedKnick
08-15-2004, 10:00 PM
He has to be waiting on an S&T being worked out. Even if he signs with Atlanta, they have a lot of leverage and I doubt they'll give him huge dollars (not that I think he's worth it anyway).

The funny thing is, if he'd exercised his option, G-S would have traded him for an ending contract - the Knicks had several (mostly gone to Chicago now) and so do others.

My guess is it'll be some time yet - he doesn't have to sign with anyone until right before TC's open.

ROCislandWarrior
08-15-2004, 10:30 PM
If we can get Damp without giving up Bender, then we do it without a doubt.

I know JO has talked to Damp and he made it clear he would like to play with him...but like Hicks said, we don't really know what Damp wants, and that will be the deciding factor.

Outsider
08-15-2004, 11:35 PM
If you assume the Warriors won't make a sign-and-trade deal, and that he doesn't want to sign for another loser team, that only leaves two choices: He can sign with the Knicks for 4.9mm. He can sign here for about 2.4mm.

If winning is truly the most important thing to him, then the choice is obvious.

So if he really wants a ring, then yes, I think he might be a Pacer. But I don't know what he really wants.

Ok, did they or didn't they: NY used their mid-level on Vin Baker?

Hicks
08-15-2004, 11:45 PM
I'm not sure. If they used what I heard they might be using, then they don't even have as much to offer as we do. I'd forgotten about that.

Unclebuck
08-16-2004, 12:07 AM
I thought the Knicks had used their MLE or at least a good portion of it. Read that somewhere last week.

DisplacedKnick
08-16-2004, 12:34 AM
If you assume the Warriors won't make a sign-and-trade deal, and that he doesn't want to sign for another loser team, that only leaves two choices: He can sign with the Knicks for 4.9mm. He can sign here for about 2.4mm.

If winning is truly the most important thing to him, then the choice is obvious.

So if he really wants a ring, then yes, I think he might be a Pacer. But I don't know what he really wants.

Ok, did they or didn't they: NY used their mid-level on Vin Baker?

No - the only person who's been saying that is Baker's agent, Aaron Goodwin.

He's also Jamal Crawford's agent, who had him traded to the Knicks by about July 19 so I wouldn't pay much attention to him. And paying Vin Baker 3.5 million's goofy.

beast23
08-16-2004, 10:01 AM
I think Dampier is waiting to see whether the PACERS will bend and try to work a sign-and-trade with GS, giving Dampier more money and a longer contract.

I personally think his other choices are to sign with us for our remaining MLE ($2.4-$2.5M) for a year. I don't think he would even consider signing with Atlanta for $4.9M for a year when he could sign with a decent team like the Pacers for half that amount for a year.

His other major options are a sign-and-trade with Memphis or New York or signing for the MLE with New York.

But I think he will hold out to the latest possible moment, hoping for a sign and trade and a long-term contract, rather than a one year contract.

Hicks
08-16-2004, 10:11 AM
Rimfire, do you know how much Vin Baker got paid? They used at least some of their MLE on him, right? How much did they use?

SkipperZ
08-16-2004, 10:41 AM
all this business about us using part of our mle to sign AJ.....

Wouldnt that defeat the purpose of the MLE? since we can go over the cap to resign a player, and the point of the MLE being to go over the cap with a new player.

And its not even like using part of the MLE would save them any capspace or flexibilitly.

Are you guys SURE we used part of the MLE on AJ? and if we did why we would do so?

Jose Slaughter
08-16-2004, 10:46 AM
Isiah takes last shot at Dampier

BY MITCH LAWRENCE
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Their chances are considered slim, if not none, but the Knicks could find out as soon as today if Erick Dampier is going to wind up as their starting center for next season.

Returning to work after moving into his Westchester home last week, team president Isiah Thomas is expected to talk to Dampier and his agent, Dan Fegan, in what could be a last-ditch effort to work the impossible.

For nearly two months, Thomas has been unable to work a sign-and-trade with Golden State, and nothing has changed on that front. The Warriors have no interest in Kurt Thomas or anyone else that Thomas has offered. So Isiah Thomas somehow will have to convince Dampier to take the mid-level exception, starting at around $5 million, rather than the four-year, $40 million standing offer that the Atlanta Hawks have on the table.

Several league sources said that Dampier, 30, who walked away from $17 million that he had coming to him from the Warriors over the next two years in order to gain his free agency this summer, is not about to pass up the Hawks' money.

Memphis has also tried to land Dampier, who attended the Grizzlies' two home playoff losses to San Antonio and comes from Monticello, Miss. But as much as team president Jerry West wants to get him and move Pau Gasol to power forward, the Grizzlies have been unable to strike a deal with the Warriors. One person with knowledge of the trade talks said last night that Memphis is out of the running, adding, "We all expect Dampier to go to Atlanta. They've got more money than anybody else."

Other than getting the 6-11 Dampier, whom many see as a good rebounder but a career underachiever, the Knicks have no other options to upgrade at center. They might have to go into the season again starting the 6-10 Nazr Mohammed, who is more suited to coming off the bench as a reserve power forward.

While Thomas keeps his fingers crossed on Dampier, the Knicks are almost certain to re-sign Vin Baker this week. The two sides have had an agreement for the last several weeks, with the backup forward expected to get a two-year deal worth slightly more than $3.2 million. Baker's agent, Aaron Goodwin, said yesterday that Baker and the Knicks should make it formal tomorrow or Wednesday, regardless of what happens with Dampier. Only Cleveland has shown interest in Baker during the offseason.

Originally published on August 16, 2004

Hicks
08-16-2004, 10:53 AM
So they gave Baker the 1.6 exception (it's called the veteran's exception, right?)

beast23
08-16-2004, 11:53 AM
Well, where the heck have I been? Atlanta is offering $40M for 4 years?

The only hope any other team has is a sign-and-trade to provide some high dollards. It is obvious that Dampier does not want to play for the Hawks, or he would have been signed by now.

If a good team goes after him, I don't think it will take $10M per year to entice him to take the trade. But it will take a lot closer to $10M than the MLE.

beast23
08-16-2004, 11:54 AM
Well, where the heck have I been? Atlanta is offering $40M for 4 years?

The only hope any other team has is a sign-and-trade to provide some high dollards. It is obvious that Dampier does not want to play for the Hawks, or he would have been signed by now.

If a good team goes after him, I don't think it will take $10M per year to entice him to take the trade. But it will take a lot closer to $10M than the MLE.