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SMosley21
09-20-2010, 09:58 AM
http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/25024306800

Lance Allred left Khimik and signed for Pacers camp, source says. NBA's 1st legally deaf player will get look w/ frontcourt health questions

Just a training camp deal, so it's more than likely just to fill out our roster for camp, but something to talk about on a Monday morning.

Allred put up decent stats for the Idaho Stampede in the D-League last season...

12 PPG
9 RPG


Thanks to our boy El Pacero for finding this story on Allred

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://www.basketusa.com/dossiers/mondial-basket/19598/societe-lance-allred-un-sourd-en-nba/&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhig3Gpt7aCEAckQIBNeDrasLpFLMw

Speed
09-20-2010, 10:18 AM
Was he in camp or maybe summer league with the Pacers before? His name is really really familiar to me.

Basketball Fan
09-20-2010, 10:39 AM
He also wrote a book about his journey so that may be where you heard of him

http://harpercollins.com/books/Longshot-Lance-Allred/?isbn=9780061718588


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Longshot
The Adventures of a Deaf Fundamentalist Mormon Kid and His Journey to the NBA
By Lance Allred

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Lance Allred was probably the last person you'd expect to make it in professional sports. Not only did he grow up on a polygamist commune in Montana, he struggles with obsessive-compulsive disorder. If those hurdles to the NBA don't seem large enough, Lance is also deaf.

Self-deprecating, witty, and wholly original, Longshot is the unlikely story of an unlikely athlete, who despite these factors and a lot of setbacks along the way, finally realized his dream of playing in the NBA, becoming the first legally deaf player in the league.

Lance refused to let others' expectations hinder his dreams, and his refreshing sense of humor about his disability allowed him to face these setbacks without giving up. From his childhood on the commune where he was "Mormon royalty" (his grandfather was prophet Rulon Allred of the fundamentalist sect) to his first time picking up a basketball (eighth grade), to his clumsy efforts to build his skills while growing into his 6' 11" frame, Longshot is a riveting account of a young man finding his purpose and letting the love of the game drive him toward his ultimate goal.

Going inside the competitive world of collegiate basketball and the strange experience of playing professionally in Europe, with paychecks that never arrive and a knee injury Lance's team didn't want to cover, Longshot recounts the moment when Lance hit rock bottom. When he came back to the United States for surgery, Lance was prepared to let go of his basketball dreams and become a high school history teacher like his dad.

But luckily he had an agent who didn't want to see Lance's dream die, and who found him a deal with the Idaho Stampede, an NBA Development League team in Boise. Although it was paltry pay, it was the last resort. And Lance slowly began to be noticed.

Revealing the resilient heart of a young man who truly believes that it's not about failure or success but about being willing to try, Longshot is a Rudy story for a new generation, a tale of inspiration, dedication, and the power of a dream.

owl
09-20-2010, 11:32 AM
When does camp open?

bulldog
09-20-2010, 11:33 AM
Congrats to him, certainly an inspiring story.

Not being able to hear has to be a pretty big problem on the court. Can't hear the referee's whistle. Can't hear your teammate calling "switch." Can't hear the play call. It's really amazing that he's an NBA caliber player.

SMosley21
09-20-2010, 11:45 AM
When does camp open?

1 week from tomorrow.

pacer4ever
09-20-2010, 12:17 PM
is he the one who played 4 the cavs. Some time ago they signed a deaf player to a 10 day contract right after a trade, that left them short handed ithink it was after the ben wallace trade.

CableKC
09-20-2010, 12:51 PM
Was he in camp or maybe summer league with the Pacers before? His name is really really familiar to me.
To tell you the truth....when I glanced at the title....the first thing I thought of was Steve Alford and thought to myself.....why are we talking about him again? :p

SMosley21
09-20-2010, 01:21 PM
is he the one who played 4 the cavs. Some time ago they signed a deaf player to a 10 day contract right after a trade, that left them short handed ithink it was after the ben wallace trade.



Yeah he was briefly with the Cavs in the 07-08 season.

http://www.nba.com/media/act_lance_allred.jpg

indyaway
09-20-2010, 02:03 PM
Pacers are trying to lead the league in left-field religions in the locker room. I thought Granger was a bit weird, but this takes Danny's refusal acknowledge the national anthem and raises him a pair of wives!

duke dynamite
09-20-2010, 02:17 PM
Pacers are trying to lead the league in left-field religions in the locker room. I thought Granger was a bit weird, but this takes Danny's refusal acknowledge the national anthem and raises him a pair of wives!
Umm...wow?

duke dynamite
09-20-2010, 02:18 PM
The Pacers now have something else they can put under their belts for training camp media fodder. Good for them for giving the guy a shot. His chances to make the team are pretty slim, but I just hope he works hard and makes it on a team someday.

And hey, remember Ann Meyers?

Since86
09-20-2010, 02:44 PM
And hey, remember Ann Meyers?

No, and neither do you.

Grangerous
09-20-2010, 02:46 PM
whoo whoo because i am deaf also!!!

GO PACERS!!

but i would rather sign Rolle

Trophy
09-20-2010, 02:48 PM
I thought Granger was a bit weird, but this takes Danny's refusal acknowledge the national anthem and raises him a pair of wives!

:hmm:

duke dynamite
09-20-2010, 02:51 PM
No, and neither do you.
...I remember the story of her...

QuickRelease
09-20-2010, 06:12 PM
Pacers are trying to lead the league in left-field religions in the locker room. I thought Granger was a bit weird, but this takes Danny's refusal acknowledge the national anthem and raises him a pair of wives!I feel silly for asking, because it's probably obvious to some, but what does this statement mean?

Kemo
09-20-2010, 06:34 PM
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Coop
09-20-2010, 06:37 PM
I feel silly for asking, because it's probably obvious to some, but what does this statement mean?

I'm not sure either. I do remember noticing that Granger was the only one on the U.S. team without his hand over his heart while the national anthem was playing for the award ceremony though. Maybe there's something to it.

Kemo
09-20-2010, 06:39 PM
He speaks VERY well for a deaf individual .... wow .. Heck he speaks well PERIOD.. lol




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Kemo
09-20-2010, 06:41 PM
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Kemo
09-20-2010, 06:47 PM
I just wanted to add , after watching these videos ... This guy is a VERY good speaker .. matter of fact .. wow .. is all I can say .. and I'm not talking about even the fact that he is legally deaf... but the fact he is so articulate and seems natural in front of people talking.. He seems VERY intelligent.

Erik
09-20-2010, 07:43 PM
Is Tamika Catchings actually legally deaf? Or just deaf in one ear or something?

Kstat
09-20-2010, 07:49 PM
To clarify, Danny Granger is a Jehovah's Witness, and among other things, they believe in separatism from many social functions, including patriotism, which means they do not acknowledge the national anthem.

Of course, this begs the bigger question why he wore a uniform that said "USA" on it for a month, but I'm not a JW, so maybe there's a loophole or something.

There's a picture of Granger standing during the medal ceremony, but just starting blankly ahead away from the flag with his hands down at his sides. If you didn't know his background, it's easy to mistake him for being a jerk, because his face looks like he doesn't want to be there.

I'm actually kinda surprised he's been a pacer for this long and this is surprising.

tsm612
09-20-2010, 08:05 PM
I'm actually kinda surprised he's been a pacer for this long and this is surprising.

What's that supposed to mean?

El Pacero
09-20-2010, 08:20 PM
Watched both videos and Kemo is right. If we had a solid roster we were happy with and a couple open spots, I would sign that guy for the PR value alone. I don't know how many other NBA players can speak that well... maybe a handful. Very inspirational.

Kemo
09-20-2010, 08:36 PM
I don't know how many other NBA players can speak that well... maybe a handful. Very inspirational.

LOL , hell As I alluded to above.. I don't know that many people period (let alone NBA players), that can speak that well..

larsondjs
09-20-2010, 09:15 PM
Hi. I'm Lance's college roommate. Answers to a few questions:

Yeah, the hearing is a problem on the court. But he has incredible peripheral vision, which is usually the case with deaf people. He relies sooo much on sight that I think it almost is an advantage. Body language is something he reads extremely well.

His parents left the polygamist sect when he was younger. In fact, I had no idea he came from a polygamist group when we were roommates. He kept that under wraps for obvious reasons (imagine trying to date!).

He can hear (slightly) with a hearing aid, if there is no ambient noise. He does not wear his hearing aid in an NBA arena.

Yes, he is very well spoken and very well read. He double major'd in history and english and was actually a "student-athlete".

Obviously, I'm rootin' for him and I'm biased.

Sookie
09-20-2010, 09:58 PM
Wow..Can we just cut Solo and TJ now..and give him a spot? I gotta give him a lot of respect. I think Catch is legally deaf. She also said the same thing about the hearing aids, she used to not wear them. It wasn't until Pat Summit said to her "I wear glasses because I can't see that well, you need to wear your hearing aids to help you hear" before she started wearing them regularly.

OCD is an interesting one, although I think it's more prominent in athletics than people realize.

DocHolliday
09-20-2010, 10:25 PM
Who was the first illegally deaf player?

indyaway
09-20-2010, 11:02 PM
What's that supposed to mean?

He's probably surprised, as am I, that it's not extremely common knowledge that Granger disassociates himself from the national anthem. Don't get me wrong, I have 0 problem with it and feel like people should be able to do what they want. I'm just pointing out between that, and this guy coming from a polygamist community, the Pacer's look like they're cornering the market on the alternative religion front.

LOL - imagine if this guy hits some game/series winning shot one day and starts to thank people; it may top RonRon thanking his psychiatrist when this dude says "I'd like to thank my wife...and my wife...and my wife".

Slumdog Millonario
09-21-2010, 01:06 AM
I've mentioned it before, but I live in Utah, and a guy I play pick-up ball with mentioned that Allred is now LDS mormon (as opposed to other smaller mormon sects--like the one he originally belonged to). So it looks like the Pacers now have a mormon and a JW.

This same guy also told me that the Pacers drafted a mormon kid from BYU way back in the early eighties. I looked it up and his name is Devin Durrant. Interesting stuff...

larsondjs
09-21-2010, 05:57 PM
Wow, I didn't know Granger was a JW

Maybe Larry Bird wants to get the most diverse set of white guys he can find

dal9
09-21-2010, 07:49 PM
This same guy also told me that the Pacers drafted a mormon kid from BYU way back in the early eighties. I looked it up and his name is Devin Durrant.

So close, yet so far away...

SMosley21
09-21-2010, 08:00 PM
He's probably surprised, as am I, that it's not extremely common knowledge that Granger disassociates himself from the national anthem. Don't get me wrong, I have 0 problem with it and feel like people should be able to do what they want. I'm just pointing out between that, and this guy coming from a polygamist community, the Pacer's look like they're cornering the market on the alternative religion front.

LOL - imagine if this guy hits some game/series winning shot one day and starts to thank people; it may top RonRon thanking his psychiatrist when this dude says "I'd like to thank my wife...and my wife...and my wife".

If you took the time to read anything about (it has even been brought up in this thread) Allred you would see that his family disassociated themselves from the polygamist community when he was 13 years old.

Trader Joe
09-21-2010, 10:29 PM
Wow, I didn't know Granger was a JW

Maybe Larry Bird wants to get the most diverse set of white guys he can find

Man, I must be really down on my Pacers knowledge...I didn't know Granger was white now...

Jeez louise....

larsondjs
09-22-2010, 04:23 PM
Man, I must be really down on my Pacers knowledge...I didn't know Granger was white now...

Jeez louise....

Sorry, my bad

Since86
09-22-2010, 04:28 PM
Man, I must be really down on my Pacers knowledge...I didn't know Granger was white now...

Jeez louise....

I must be different, because that definately made me chuckle. I find it funny because it shows just how out of touch the whole "Larry Bird only wants white guys" theory really is.

To be honest, I thought he was joking, but maybe not seeing his comment after this one.

Trader Joe
09-22-2010, 08:33 PM
Sorry, my bad

Haha, it's alright.

bulldog
09-22-2010, 08:39 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if we see more Mormon basketball players. Used to live in Salt Lake City and almost all of the churches? temples? (sorry, no offense meant, don't know correct nomenclature) have gyms inside of them. It was great for pick-up games during the summer.

Of course, there have already been a few Mormon ballers, including Danny Ainge, Shawn Bradley, and a few others, I'm sure.

And I should also note that "Mormon" is very different from "Fundamentalist, Polygamist Mormon" and I'm not sure if Lance keeps any ties to the more mainstream religion.

Anyway, bottom line, good for him.

tsm612
09-22-2010, 11:13 PM
He's probably surprised, as am I, that it's not extremely common knowledge that Granger disassociates himself from the national anthem. Don't get me wrong, I have 0 problem with it and feel like people should be able to do what they want. I'm just pointing out between that, and this guy coming from a polygamist community, the Pacer's look like they're cornering the market on the alternative religion front.

I don't think that's what he was saying, though. Here is his comment that I was refering to:


I'm actually kinda surprised he's been a pacer for this long and this is surprising.

Why be surprised that he's still a Pacer? Because of his religion? Does he think Pacer fans or the front office would demand that he be traded because of his religious views, or rather, a lack of having the same view as the majority of fans? I may reading into it, but to me it looked like an accusation of religious bigotry. That's why I asked him for clarification.

Personally, I don't understand why this is getting so much attention. Why does anyone care what religion our players are?

Kstat
09-22-2010, 11:31 PM
...did you seriously stop reading my post mid-sentence at the parts that your yourself bolded?

It meant exactly what indyway said it meant. I don't understand how anyone could possibly read it any differently.

If you'd like, you're free to read however you like. I personally find it hilarious that you took it as a bigoted accusation of the entire Pacers organization. That's a Bob Beamon-sized leap, and I'm very curious to see where you're going from there.

tsm612
09-23-2010, 12:02 AM
...did you seriously stop reading my post mid-sentence at the parts that your yourself bolded?

It meant exactly what indyway said it meant. I don't understand how anyone could possibly read it any differently.

If you'd like, you're free to read however you like. I personally find it hilarious that you took it as a bigoted accusation of the entire Pacers organization. That's a Bob Beamon-sized leap, and I'm very curious to see where you're going from there.

No, I read the whole sentence. I bolded the part that I was referring to. The second half of the sentence was saying something separate from the first half. And no, I wasn't saying that it was a bigoted accusation of the entire Pacers organization, (did you read all of my post, or just the part that would be the easiest to exaggerate?) but seemed like more of a jab against Hoosiers in general. You have to know very well what some of the stereotypes are.

I'd still like clarification about your original post. I understand that you're surprised by Granger's choice of faith, but that doesn't explain why you're surprised he's still a Pacer. Indyway's post in no way explains why you would say that. So tell me: why, because of Danny's choice of faith, are you surprised that he's still a Pacer?

Kstat
09-23-2010, 12:29 AM
When exactly did I say I what surprised me was that Granger was still a Pacer? Why am I even surprised by his choice of faith? I've known he was a JW for nearly half a decade now. I was the one that brought it up to begin with!

tsm612
09-23-2010, 12:37 AM
When exactly did I say I what surprised me was that Granger was still a Pacer? Why am I even surprised by his choice of faith? I've known he was a JW for nearly half a decade now. I was the one that brought it up to begin with!


There's a picture of Granger standing during the medal ceremony, but just starting blankly ahead away from the flag with his hands down at his sides. If you didn't know his background, it's easy to mistake him for being a jerk, because his face looks like he doesn't want to be there.

I'm actually kinda surprised he's been a pacer for this long and this is surprising.

:wtf:

Also, are you or are you not surprised about Granger's choice of faith? You just said that Indyway's post is exactly what you meant, which was that you were surprised.

Again...

:wtf:

Kstat
09-23-2010, 12:40 AM
Wow. Now you're not only reading my post wrong, but you read indyway's wrong as well...

What I wrote:


I'm actually kinda surprised he's been a pacer for this long and this is surprising.

What you read:


I'm actually kinda surprised he's been a pacer for this long. This is surprising.


What indyway wrote:


He's probably surprised, as am I, that it's not extremely common knowledge that Granger disassociates himself from the national anthem.

what you read:


He's probably surprised, as am I, that Granger disassociates himself from the national anthem.

Stop reading what you want to read.

Cherokee
09-23-2010, 12:42 AM
I like Allred. I should. I have had to have a hearing aid in one ear (10 percent hearing without an aid) since I was 3, I have about 40 percent hearing in the other ear, I have a form of autism (Asperger's Syndrome), I became a sports editor, and I gave seminars to other editors about management styles. However, after 39 years of marriage, for my own safety I don't think I'll mention to her the subject of taking a few other wives.

tsm612
09-23-2010, 12:50 AM
Wow. Now you're not only reading my post wrong, but you read indyway's wrong as well...

What I wrote:



What you read:




What indyway wrote:



what you read:



Stop reading what you want to read.

You were correct that I read Indyways post incorrectly. I apologize for that. But you still didn't clarify your post for me.


I'm actually kinda surprised he's been a pacer for this long and this is surprising.


I'm actually kinda surprised he's been a pacer for this long. This is surprising.

Both of these statements are exactly the same, except the second one is the grammatically correct one. I'm not reading what I want to, but rather the way it should be read. The first one is a run-on sentence, meaning there should be a period after long, "and" should be dropped, and "this" should be capitalized. Those sentences are literally saying the exact same thing. This is why I asked for clarification before jumping to conclusions and attacking what I thought you were trying to say.

Kstat
09-23-2010, 12:55 AM
Actually, they really aren't the same thing. You just lack comprehension and took it totally out of context by reading it in a vacuum.

Hicks
09-23-2010, 01:14 AM
Good lord. Instead of making this "a thing," why not just explain what you were saying instead of all of this nonsense?

All that needed to be done was to clarify.


I'm actually kinda surprised he's been a pacer for this long and that this is surprising to Pacer fans.

Fixed!

tsm612
09-23-2010, 01:18 AM
Actually, they really aren't the same thing. You just lack comprehension and took it totally out of context by reading it in a vacuum.

Sorry, but they actually are the same exact statements. The first one is not actually a sentence because it has two independent clauses. You either have to split them into two sentences or rewrite it so it's a complex sentence with an independent clause and dependent clause. Otherwise, the reader will disregard them as being unrelated. An easy fix would have been to insert "that" in the sentence.


I'm actually kinda surprised he's been a pacer for this long, and that this is surprising.


That gives the sentence a new meaning, and the meaning you were going for. Since the second half of the statement is now a dependent clause, the reader knows that it's essential to the meaning of the independent clause, or the first half of your statement, something that was missing from your original post.

If you meant to say "I don't understand why so many people are surprised by this, considering that Granger has been on the team this long" then perhaps that's more like how you should have stated it. No part of your post showed that was the context that you were using it in. In fact, I read it as just the opposite. The entirety of your post was that Granger is a JW and that he doesn't acknowledge the National Anthem. If you were relying on context to make up for the fact that your statements lack clarity, then your post should have mentioned something about how this should be common knowledge.

If you believe that I'm taking it out of context, tell me which part of your post indicates that it's surprising that not everyone knows this.

Kstat
09-23-2010, 01:22 AM
If you believe that I'm taking it out of context, tell me which part of your post indicates that it's surprising that not everyone knows this.

Did you read the earlier posts, or was that too much to ask?

tsm612
09-23-2010, 01:37 AM
Did you read the earlier posts, or was that too much to ask?

Again, I don't see where I was taking anything out of context. I'm reading things within the context of your post. It's not my fault that you were vague. I understand that others were confused by his behavior, and that you came to enlighten everyone as to why he acted this way. But for all I know, you could have just recently discovered this yourself by reading the other thread. (I brought up the fact that Danny's a JW in another thread right after they won the gold.) Hence, why you could have also been surprised. That's the drawback to conversing online. You're talking to strangers, people who don't know you for the most part, who also can't read your body language or hear the tone in your voice. That's why things need to be communicated in a clear manner, and also why people shouldn't become so easily offended when their statements are said to not be very clear.

Kstat
09-23-2010, 01:44 AM
Actually, it is your fault that you were the one person confused by this, were given clarification by another poster, and then demanded further clarification from me. It's not my job to convince you that my post wasn't vague. You were given an explanation a long time ago, and you kept at it. That's on you.

Mourning
09-23-2010, 01:58 AM
Haha, amazing discussion this! :lol:

tsm612
09-23-2010, 02:01 AM
Actually, it is your fault that you were the one person confused by this, were given clarification by another poster, and then demanded further clarification from me. It's not my job to convince you that my post wasn't vague. You were given an explanation a long time ago, and you kept at it. That's on you.

Excuse me for not knowing that you let other posters speak for you. For some reason, I thought you were responsible for the things you say. I don't care if you do or do not try to convince me that your post wasn't vague. It just would have been nice if you would have offered up clarification without throwing a temper tantrum and getting unnecessarily nasty, though that seems to be your calling card. I even hesitated in asking for clarification in the first place, having seen the manner in which you talk to others who seem to disagree with you. That's fine. I'm done here. I'll go back to disregarding your posts, and you can go back to your ivory towers.

Kstat
09-23-2010, 02:18 AM
Sorry, but I refuse to legitimize your claim by re-writing it to fit your sensibilities. It was made clear to you by more than one person, including myself, what that post meant. I even left about 58 subtle hints that wouldn't have been more obvious if I beat you over the head with them. If all of that isn't enough for you, then you and your high horse can go wanting. I care not.

cdash
09-23-2010, 02:33 AM
Ahhh, our resident Pistons fan/professional instigator is up to his usual shenanigans. Sorry I bothered to read this nonsense.

Kstat
09-23-2010, 02:40 AM
Can you ever forgive me for my unnecessarily provocative post that consisted of:


To clarify, Danny Granger is a Jehovah's Witness, and among other things, they believe in separatism from many social functions, including patriotism, which means they do not acknowledge the national anthem.

Of course, this begs the bigger question why he wore a uniform that said "USA" on it for a month, but I'm not a JW, so maybe there's a loophole or something.

There's a picture of Granger standing during the medal ceremony, but just starting blankly ahead away from the flag with his hands down at his sides. If you didn't know his background, it's easy to mistake him for being a jerk, because his face looks like he doesn't want to be there.

I'm actually kinda surprised he's been a pacer for this long and this is surprising.


I know it's a lot to ask, given the obviously offensive nature of said post, but maybe you can find it in your heart to forgive me?

BillS
09-23-2010, 09:47 AM
Chill, Kstat. You worded that sentence very awkwardly and a number of people probably had to parse it a few times to get the right meaning out of it.

How hard is it to just restate it if someone interprets it differently than you meant, rather than assume they are morons and act like it was obvious. In this case, it really wasn't.

You meant:

I'm actually kind of surprised this is surprising, given he has been a pacer for this long

but a VERY valid reading in a forum context would be:

I'm actually kind of surprised he's been a pacer for this long. He's been a pacer for this long and this is surprising.

It is an unfortunate consequence of so many people (not you!) not paying attention to their wording and preferring to be fast and witty rather than accurate. It means people get used to fighting their way through bizarre construction and having to make meaning from unusual sentence structures.

Sentences with no punctuation and multiple thoughts will almost always get misinterpreted, usually minimally and harmlessly, but sometimes in ways that spiral off toward the pits. When in doubt, make two sentences:

He's been a pacer for this long and this is surprising? I'm actually kinda surprised [at that].

RULE: If the other person doesn't understand what you said, the communication failed. It doesn't matter who is at fault, the communication failed.

larsondjs
09-23-2010, 10:35 AM
Anyway, back to Lance.

I live in Ohio, gonna drive out to catch Lance in the preseason. I've only been to a handful of NBA preseason games, most pretty mellow. I'm assuming Pacers are the same in that regard, right?

Dab
09-23-2010, 10:46 AM
BillS said about everything that I was thinking regarding the phrasing controversy. I know that when I post, I have what I want to say in my head and it may have a certain inflection there that doesn't across when it's read by others.

Awww, that last paragraph wasn't phrased well either, never mind.

Congrats to Lance! My sister is deaf, and a proud graduate of the Indiana School for the Deaf and Gallaudet University, so of course I'm pulling for him.

cdash
09-23-2010, 03:31 PM
Congrats to Lance! My sister is deaf, and a proud graduate of the Indiana School for the Deaf and Gallaudet University, so of course I'm pulling for him.

First off, every time I see Lance in this thread I think of Lance Stephenson out of habit. Makes for some fun reading :D

Second, that's awesome. I took four semesters of sign language at IU. All the professors (except for the intro course lady) were deaf, so it was a nice little glimpse into deaf culture. All the deaf people I met were extremely nice, and very touchy, if that makes any sense. We took a trip up to the Indiana School for the Deaf up in Indy, which they said was one of the nicest such schools in the country.

MagicRat
09-23-2010, 03:57 PM
He's probably surprised, as am I, that it's not extremely common knowledge that Granger disassociates himself from the national anthem.

I'm actually not kinda surprised he's been a pacer for this long and this is surprising because nobody actually attends pacers games anymore.....:cry:

larsondjs
10-06-2010, 10:11 AM
Center Lance Allred will likely be cut. He was brought in as an extra body for camp.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20101006/SPORTS04/10060315/Pacers-are-set-to-take-the-show-on-the-road?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CSports

Is this columnist usually pretty accurate? If so, it was fun while it lasted. Y'all had the most interesting 17th man in the NBA for a few weeks

Cactus Jax
10-06-2010, 10:57 AM
http://www.indystar.com/article/20101006/SPORTS04/10060315/Pacers-are-set-to-take-the-show-on-the-road?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CSports

Is this columnist usually pretty accurate? If so, it was fun while it lasted. Y'all had the most interesting 17th man in the NBA for a few weeks

Usually pretty reliable, but it was kind of common knowledge with most of us hardcore Pacer fans that Lance was a big body for training camp. It sucks cause it seems the kid is nothing but pure class, but I'm sure he'll get a gig somewhere else in the NBA or one of the other leagues around.

We will all wish Lance Allred the best once/if he's released, and maybe you can be a rival team fan of his on this board still. It was nice to get a real inside source about his talents and his story and skill set.

larsondjs
10-06-2010, 11:52 AM
Usually pretty reliable, but it was kind of common knowledge with most of us hardcore Pacer fans that Lance was a big body for training camp. It sucks cause it seems the kid is nothing but pure class, but I'm sure he'll get a gig somewhere else in the NBA or one of the other leagues around.

We will all wish Lance Allred the best once/if he's released, and maybe you can be a rival team fan of his on this board still. It was nice to get a real inside source about his talents and his story and skill set.

Yeah, kinda figured that once I saw your contract situation.

One good thing about when Lance made the Cavs... I live in Ohio, and bought an Allred jersery, rather than a LeBron jersey :D While Lance isn't a Cav anymore, it is still wearable. I saw some LeBron Cav merchandise about 95% off at a store the other day. May as well just donate that stuff to impoverished countries.

I hope he's still a Pacer by Friday, as I have plans to drive to Indy for the Magic game.

Cactus Jax
10-06-2010, 04:53 PM
I'd see no reason why they'd cut him before that date. They'll prolly wait till near the last minute to cut him.

larsondjs
10-09-2010, 02:52 PM
Conseco Fieldhouse! Awesome! Love it, I think I may come to a couple of regular season games, with or without Lance Allred. Got a post-game pass, made eye contact with Larry Bird. That dude has serious swagger.

Pacers hooked him up with a nice hotel room and a good car for camp and preseason (2010 Buick LeSabre, fits 6'11" guys well), which is nice. Much nicer than some of Lance's D-League perks.


I'd see no reason why they'd cut him before that date. They'll prolly wait till near the last minute to cut him.

SMosley21
10-09-2010, 02:56 PM
Conseco Fieldhouse! Awesome! Love it, I think I may come to a couple of regular season games, with or without Lance Allred. Got a post-game pass, made eye contact with Larry Bird. That dude has serious swagger.

Pacers hooked him up with a nice hotel room and a good car for camp and preseason (2010 Buick LeSabre, fits 6'11" guys well), which is nice. Much nicer than some of Lance's D-League perks.


Glad to see you enjoyed your trip to the "House that Reggie Miller built", and to see that the Pacers are treating Lance right.

larsondjs
10-09-2010, 02:58 PM
Glad to see you enjoyed your trip to the "House that Reggie Miller built", and to see that the Pacers are treating Lance right.

That's exactly what I thought when I walked in! "This is the house that Reggie built"