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Kstat
09-14-2010, 08:25 PM
I figure with the deep pool of NBA talent with quality FIBA experience, the next team USA has a legit chance to challenge the original Dream Team as the greatest team ever assembled, and back it up on the floor.

My Roster:

C: Dwight Howard
PF: Kevin Durant
SF: LeBron James
SG: Kobe Bryant
PG: Chris Paul

Bench:

Centers: Chris Bosh, Andrew Bynum
Forwards: Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire
Guards: Dwayne Wade, Russell Westbrook, Brandon Roy

Eleazar
09-14-2010, 08:38 PM
Get rid of Chris Bosh, he is a good player but far from Olympic caliber player.

d_c
09-14-2010, 08:51 PM
Get rid of Chris Bosh, he is a good player but far from Olympic caliber player.

Bosh was outstanding in Beijing in 2008. He shot 77% from the field and rebounded just as well as Dwight Howard. I'm not saying he should be automatically qualified for the next team at this moment, but his performance in 2008 showed he's more than good enough to be considered Olympic caliber.

Sookie
09-14-2010, 08:52 PM
I'd replace Westbrook with Deron Williams, and depending on how Curry does this season I'd replace Brandon Roy with Curry (we need at least one pure shooter.)

I'd replace Amare Stoudemire with...someone, not sure who. Same thing goes for Bynum. :P

Trader Joe
09-14-2010, 09:09 PM
Why does Curry deserve to get a nod over Gordon as the pure shooter?

I'd definitely would find a way to work EJ into the roster. He's perfect for international play.

pacerwaala
09-14-2010, 09:30 PM
I figure with the deep pool of NBA talent with quality FIBA experience, the next team USA has a legit chance to challenge the original Dream Team as the greatest team ever assembled, and back it up on the floor.

My Roster:

C: Dwight Howard
PF: Kevin Durant
SF: LeBron James
SG: Kobe Bryant
PG: Chris Paul

Bench:

Centers: Chris Bosh, Andrew Bynum
Forwards: Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire
Guards: Dwayne Wade, Russell Westbrook, Brandon Roy

You starting 5 is fine except maybe Carmelo can start instead of Durant. I say Durant because, he is probably the only one of the starting 5 that might be open to come off the bench.

1 - I would put Kevin Love instead of Chris Bosh because you need some glue guys/ role players. Also, IMHO, Chris Bosh is soft and a tweener.

2 - I would include Deron Williams instead of Brandon Roy to make it 3 PGs on the roster. Since we have a lot of wing players, Brandon Roy is expendable.

3 - I would include Danny Granger instead of Kobe Bryant because Danny is more talented. JUST KIDDING!. I am just checking if you guys stopped reading.

4 - The last 3 cuts would be Derek Rose, Chris Bosh and Brandon Roy.

Hicks
09-14-2010, 09:43 PM
Can Chris Bosh guard both of the Gasol brothers?

If so, I'd be temped to make him my "center" and not even bother with Dwight because Bosh would bring a lot more to the offense.

In that scenario, I might consider something like this:

Bosh
Durant
James
Wade (I'm assuming Kobe is done with this, but maybe he isn't)
Paul

Post: Stoudemire, Odom

Wing: Anthony, (Odom), (Roy)

Guard: Roy, Westbrook, Gordon, Reddick

Alternatively, add Howard, drop Reddick.

BRushWithDeath
09-14-2010, 10:20 PM
Starters:

C: Dwight Howard
PF: Carmelo Anthony
SF: LeBron James
SG: Kobe Bryant
PG: Chris Paul

Bench:

C: Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire
F: Kevin Durant, Andre Igoudala, Lamar Odom
G: Dwyane Wade, Deron Williams

I feel almost embarrassed to not have Kevin Durant in the starting lineup, but Melo is basically the perfect FIBA 4. So strong and so versatile.

What I'd love see is to just play Lebron at point and put in Durant for Paul. But that won't happen.

spazzxb
09-14-2010, 10:46 PM
I think durant gets to start at sf. Lebron has the strength to play PF. How do you bench the record holder in scoring. No one has performed better than Durant in International competition and he is only going to get better.

Trader Joe
09-14-2010, 10:48 PM
Durant's the perfect scorer for almost any brand of basketball. He has to start.

Dece
09-15-2010, 12:27 AM
I think Carmello is a better international player than Lebron. Am I loony?

I'd probably start both Durant and Melo and bring Lebron off the bench for either.

CP3
Kobe (wade if Kobe is done with international)
Durant
Melo
Dwight

Pig Nash
09-15-2010, 01:17 AM
C: Dwight Howard
F: Kevin Durant
F: LeBron James
SG: Dwyane Wade
PG: Deron Williams

Bench:

C: Chris Bosh, Andrew Bynum
F: Carmelo Anthony, Mike Miller (good 3 point shooter and will have good chemistry with the Miami 3 presumably)
G: Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, Brandon Roy

BornReady
09-15-2010, 03:38 AM
Chris Paul
Dwyane Wade
Kevin Durant
Carmelo Anthony
Dwight Howard

Bench
Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, Eric Gordon
Lebron James, Andre Iguodala, Kevin Love
Brook Lopez

croz24
09-16-2010, 02:42 AM
how about...

pg: chris paul
sg: dwyane wade
sf: lebron james
pf: kevin durant
c: dwight howard

bench:
pg: john wall
sg: eric gordon, stephen curry
sf: carmelo anthony
pf: blake griffin, david lee
c: greg oden

Mourning
09-16-2010, 04:47 AM
how about...

pg: chris paul
sg: dwyane wade
sf: lebron james
pf: kevin durant
c: dwight howard

bench:
pg: john wall
sg: eric gordon, stephen curry
sf: carmelo anthony
pf: blake griffin, david lee
c: greg oden

I like this squad also with the long term future in mind. I think I would replace Oden and Lee with Bosh and Love respectively and have Anthony start for the time being.

For the rest I like including two good shooters in Gordon and Curry, while Curry can also take the PG spot when needed.

I expect Wall to be quite good by that time, so that's a good inclusion IMHO aswell.

PS: cute little kid you got in your avi :).

Kstat
09-16-2010, 05:39 AM
Not sure why so many people are eager to give Curry a spot. He didn't make much of a case for himself in Turkey.

Shade
09-16-2010, 09:37 AM
:heat:

Mourning
09-16-2010, 10:22 AM
Not sure why so many people are eager to give Curry a spot. He didn't make much of a case for himself in Turkey.

The kid is young and I certainly see him improve a lot the next couple of years.

bballpacen
09-16-2010, 11:13 AM
If all things were equal, all egos checked at the door, and everyone is willing to play if asked, my starting 5 would be...

PG - 'Bron
SG - DWade
SF - Melo
PF - Durant
C - Camby

Reserves
G - Jesus Shuttlesworth
G - CP3
G - Curry
F - David Lee
F - Boozer
F - Horford
C - Howard

I think that this team could come at you and beat you in many different ways... Of course, having Melo, Durant, Dwade and Lebron does not hurt... You are always going to have one if not two of these guys on the floor at all time...

Trader Joe
09-16-2010, 12:27 PM
Not sure why so many people are eager to give Curry a spot. He didn't make much of a case for himself in Turkey.

Yeah, I don't get it. What exactly does he do better than Gordon? Yes, he's more apt as a PG than EJ, but we already have a TON of points to choose from for 2012, and Gordon is a better scorer and defender.

IUfan4life
09-16-2010, 12:45 PM
If all things were equal, all egos checked at the door, and everyone is willing to play if asked, my starting 5 would be...

PG - 'Bron
SG - DWade
SF - Melo
PF - Durant
C - Camby

Reserves
G - Jesus Shuttlesworth
G - CP3
G - Curry
F - David Lee
F - Boozer
F - Horford
C - Howard

I think that this team could come at you and beat you in many different ways... Of course, having Melo, Durant, Dwade and Lebron does not hurt... You are always going to have one if not two of these guys on the floor at all time...

Marcus Camby? Is this a joke? It has to be a joke right?

Kstat
09-16-2010, 01:10 PM
75 year old ray allen and lebron playing pg? Id hope its a joke.....

immortality
09-16-2010, 01:31 PM
I don't understand why everyone continues to put Chris Paul into PG categories when Deron Williams has performed better than him every year.

count55
09-16-2010, 01:51 PM
I don't understand why everyone continues to put Chris Paul into PG categories when Deron Williams has performed better than him every year.

It's possibly arguable that Williams caught up to Paul last year, given Paul's injury. It's also reasonable to project Williams ahead of Paul for the future, if you question Paul's health.

However, there is really no way that I can see to reasonably argue that Williams outperformed Paul in any of his first four years, let alone, every year.

It's just not even close. I don't think there are more than 5 players in the world better than a healthy Chris Paul - if that many.

bballpacen
09-16-2010, 09:32 PM
Marcus Camby? Is this a joke? It has to be a joke right?
Not at all... Not that Camby is going to star on this team... But you dont really need him to... Defending, effeciancy and rebounding are what he would bring to the table. I guess today, he would be on my team... But in 2012, I guess not... I would replace him with Lee in the starting lineup... Neither of them need the ball to be effective... I see both as glue guys for a international style of play...


75 year old ray allen and lebron playing pg? Id hope its a joke..... You need a shooter, and what better shooter is there than Ray... Hell, he would not need significant minutes, but when he would be out there, with penetrations and kick outs... He would have the opportunity to make significant contributions... And I think that Lebron would be effective at running the point position to start a game... Would not have him there for 25 minutes a game... But certainly 10-12 minutes would be unreasonable...

Kstat
09-16-2010, 09:34 PM
What better shooter is there than a 37-year old Ray Allen that is progressively losing his range every year? I could give you a couple dozen.

That would be an insult to pick up that fossil when you have the entire American-born population of the NBA to choose from. Same with a 38-year old Marcus Camby who won't even be a starter in 2 years.

Sookie
09-16-2010, 09:35 PM
Yeah, I don't get it. What exactly does he do better than Gordon? Yes, he's more apt as a PG than EJ, but we already have a TON of points to choose from for 2012, and Gordon is a better scorer and defender.

Honestly, it's just the name. He's a shooter, he was on the world team..that's all it is.

Kstat
09-16-2010, 09:44 PM
I don't quite how we got to the point where we're going to take mediocre players and put them on the olympic team because they happen to be 3-point specialists. Where was the 3-point specialist on the original two dream teams? They both had shooters who were also great players.

bballpacen
09-16-2010, 09:51 PM
I don't quite how we got to the point where we're going to take mediocre players and put them on the olympic team because they happen to be 3-point specialists. Where was the 3-point specialist on the original two dream teams? They both had shooters who were also great players.
International ball isnt quite the same as it was when the original Dream Team was assembled. IMO, you need to add some "mediocre" players to today's team to balance it out... With a team full of stars, you have redundancy in the skill sets that they bring... So you find some players to fill the holes... Not to mention the me first mentality that exists... To many stars on a team anymore... To many egos to keep in check...

And how many players are there today that are considered "great" and also "shooters"... I cannot think of very many personally...

Kstat
09-16-2010, 09:54 PM
The 3-point line is moving back, and the paint is being shortened to NBA size. FIBA is moving away from the 3-point reliance, if anything.

Day-V
09-16-2010, 10:01 PM
The 3-point line is moving back, and the paint is being shortened to NBA size. FIBA is moving away from the 3-point reliance, if anything.

Don't you think, if anything, that's more of a reason for the USA team to have a 3-point specialist on their roster? I mean, if they're trying to "move away" from the 3-point line, then why not bring on a guy who can hit that same shot in the NBA at a high percentage and have it be an extra weapon in the USA Arsenal?

Kstat
09-16-2010, 10:05 PM
No, it means the 3-point line is going to become less essential to winning games at the international level, and you'll probably see more conventional lineups as the years go by.

A team with Durant, Roy, Kobe, Paul, etc. has enough pure shooters on it already anyhow. They don't need someone to camp behind the arc.

jpc
09-17-2010, 12:12 AM
Not that different from yours KSTAT. I do think Westbrook will start at PG. I picked Lopez for backup center because Bynum has so many injury issues. I know he isn't a teenager but Odom played so well in the Worlds I can't leave him out. Besides he is a better than Carmelo Anthony who is only really good at taking lots of shots.

My lineup

C: Dwight Howard
SF: Kevin Durant
PF: LeBron James
SG: Dwayne Wade (Kobe won't play)
PG: Russell Westbrook

Bench:

Centers: Brook Lopez
Forwards: Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Lamar Odom
Guards: Eric Gordon, Chris Paul, Brandon Roy

BTW: good post

cdash
09-17-2010, 12:33 AM
No, it means the 3-point line is going to become less essential to winning games at the international level, and you'll probably see more conventional lineups as the years go by.

I sort of agree in that the three point shot will probably lose a little importance, but not much. International players learn the game differently than American players. That's why so many of these 7' guys can drain threes and stretch the floor. They learn fundamentals a little more. Their guards, by and large, don't have the quickness to penetrate the lane like they do here, so it's tougher for them to blow by people and score in the paint.

Kstat
09-17-2010, 01:58 AM
I'm highly amused that a 7-foot basketball player that can't play with his back to the basket can be praised for "fundamentals"....

cdash
09-17-2010, 02:16 AM
I'm highly amused that a 7-foot basketball player that can't play with his back to the basket can be praised for "fundamentals"....

Okay, I can rephrase it if the wording irks your majesty. How about something like, "International players learn the game differently, because they play the game differently. They value the increased reward of the three point shot and shooting the basketball."

Kstat
09-17-2010, 02:18 AM
We'll see how much that changes when the kiddie line moves back, and the 3-second lane moves closer. The post game might actually mean something now.

cdash
09-17-2010, 02:55 AM
We'll see how much that changes when the kiddie line moves back, and the 3-second lane moves closer. The post game might actually mean something now.

...but probably not, because none of the big men over there have a back to the basket game.

Kstat
09-17-2010, 04:14 AM
the rules were a big reason for that.

In the short term, it just adds to the dominance of American basketball. In the long term, it'll make better basketball players out of them, because they are going to be trained to do more than just set picks and shoot 22-footers.

cdash
09-17-2010, 04:43 AM
the rules were a big reason for that.

In the short term, it just adds to the dominance of American basketball. In the long term, it'll make better basketball players out of them, because they are going to be trained to do more than just set picks and shoot 22-footers.

If you say so. I'm a little more skeptical that they adapt their game to the NBA when it doesn't really benefit them to do so, but I'll go with it.

Kstat
09-17-2010, 04:45 AM
It benefits them now. The 3-point line is farther away and the paint is closer in.