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rm14
09-09-2010, 03:04 PM
According to ESPN: http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5550421

"The Chicago Bulls are interested in trading for the Denver Nuggets' Carmelo Anthony and are discussing internally including Joakim Noah as part of the deal, according to a league source.

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According to the source, the Nuggets are hesitant to take back Luol Deng as part of a deal with the Bulls because Denver is leery of taking on long-term contracts with the collective bargaining agreement set to expire on June 30, 2011. Deng is two years into a six-year, $71 million contract.

Noah will make $3.1 million this season in the fourth year of his rookie deal. He would become a restricted free agent next season unless the Bulls extend his contract.

Yahoo! Sports reported Wednesday that an NBA source with knowledge of Anthony's wishes told him Anthony still hopes to convince Nuggets general manager Masai Ujiri to trade him, and he prefers a move to the New York Knicks or Bulls.

The Nuggets offered Anthony a three-year, $65 million extension through 2014, but if he rejects it, the team will have to consider trading the forward who has guided them to seven straight playoff berths.

"I think I'm going to convince him to be a Nugget," Ujiri said on Aug. 31. "No, I don't know, I can't make a judgment on that. Like I said, it's a process and until he tells me that ... we want him back, the city wants him back, ownership wants him back."

Anthony has never come out and said he wanted to be traded, however.

At his basketball camp this summer, Anthony dismissed all the speculation of his impending departure from Denver: "I've been hearing that for five years. I'm a Denver Nugget. I'm here, I'm with the Nuggets. I don't become a free agent until next year, if I decide not to take that extension."

Anthony, 26, has averaged 24.7 points per game in his career, including 28.2 last season."

Even if the Bulls have to give up Noah and Deng, this makes the East even that much tougher. Rose, Melo, Boozer and whoever else. Man I hope the Pacers can land another high profile player soon.

Brad8888
09-09-2010, 03:10 PM
Maybe the Pacers could help facilitate this trade somehow and end up with Noah alongside Roy in a twin tower configuration and send Rush and Ford to Denver? I am not sure how itcould actually work out that way, but it couldn't hurt to dream a little, could it?

Maybe it could...

Day-V
09-09-2010, 03:21 PM
I just don't think Denver would want to lose their Franchise player for a pothead and a player at a position they're pretty set at in PG.

If anything, they'd want Danny, or maybe even a 1st rounder.

Will Galen
09-09-2010, 04:11 PM
I just don't think Denver would want to lose their Franchise player for a pothead and a player at a position they're pretty set at in PG.

If anything, they'd want Danny, or maybe even a 1st rounder.

Brad said help facilitate, not jump in with both feet, and that's what they would be doing if they included Granger.

Doddage
09-09-2010, 04:40 PM
Maybe the Pacers could help facilitate this trade somehow and end up with Noah alongside Roy in a twin tower configuration and send Rush and Ford to Denver? I am not sure how itcould actually work out that way, but it couldn't hurt to dream a little, could it?
It doesn't hurt to dream about that, but that's about all you can do as far as getting Noah for Rush and Ford.

This is a tough one for the Bulls. Without Noah, they don't have a legit center, no less one who can defend and rebound the way he does. But if you have an opportunity to get a Carmelo Anthony in his prime, you have to think long and hard about it.

mildlysane
09-09-2010, 04:46 PM
It doesn't hurt to dream about that, but that's about all you can do as far as getting Noah for Rush and Ford.

This is a tough one for the Bulls. Without Noah, they don't have a legit center, no less one who can defend and rebound the way he does. But if you have an opportunity to get a Carmelo Anthony in his prime, you have to think long and hard about it.
They would have to trade Deng for a center. Or go small...

Cannot pass up Carmelo!

CableKC
09-09-2010, 04:54 PM
Maybe the Pacers could help facilitate this trade somehow and end up with Noah alongside Roy in a twin tower configuration and send Rush and Ford to Denver? I am not sure how itcould actually work out that way, but it couldn't hurt to dream a little, could it?

Maybe it could...
My guess is that the Kings will be involved because they're the only team left that is way below the Salary Cap to absorb contracts while sending back a TPE.

Larry Staverman
09-09-2010, 05:08 PM
There is no way Chicago can do this deal with out a 3rd team if Denver won't take Deng.

Day-V
09-09-2010, 05:15 PM
Brad said help facilitate, not jump in with both feet, and that's what they would be doing if they included Granger.

I never said that the Pacers would make the deal. I'm just saying that's what Denver would want.

rexnom
09-09-2010, 05:19 PM
The Bulls shouldn't give up Noah to get Anthony. Noah is a guy you win championships with. Rose-Noah is the heart of that team for another decade.

PacerDude
09-09-2010, 05:54 PM
They would have to trade Deng for a center. Or go small...Then they would need a coach that prefers playing 'small ball'.

I wonder where they could find one ???????????????????????????? :D

CableKC
09-09-2010, 06:03 PM
The Bulls shouldn't give up Noah to get Anthony. Noah is a guy you win championships with. Rose-Noah is the heart of that team for another decade.
Then I don't see how the Bulls can get him then....you can't get him for nothing and Noah is the best Prospect that the Bulls have outside of Rose that any Team would want. I do not doubt that Deng is a solid Player...who would be the logical Player to include....but I just don't see anything happening without Noah being included.

Speaking hypothetically....let's change this around....would you include Hibbert in any trade if the Pacers had a chance to get a Carmelo-level Player ( not Carmelo himself but someone like him ) while having the chance to keep Granger?

I'd be very hesistant but would consider it if what we're getting in return is worth it.

dohman
09-09-2010, 06:16 PM
Then I don't see how the Bulls can get him then....you can't get him for nothing and Noah is the best Prospect that the Bulls have outside of Rose that any Team would want. I do not doubt that Deng is a solid Player...who would be the logical Player to include....but I just don't see anything happening without Noah being included.

Speaking hypothetically....let's change this around....would you include Hibbert in any trade if the Pacers had a chance to get a Carmelo-level Player ( not Carmelo himself but someone like him ) while having the chance to keep Granger?

I'd be very hesistant but would consider it if what we're getting in return is worth it.


If you don't take the chance your a 500 team. Melo would make us 50+ game winners.

Mono
09-09-2010, 06:28 PM
The Bulls right now have a really balanced roster. Deng has a great mid-range game. Korver shot 54% percent from 3 last year. Boozer and Noah inside is a great combination. And of course Rose is a whirlwind out there...

One of the ways in which Noah is really going to provide Chicago with great balance is on the defensive end of the court. He's very active, a very good defender, is a good help and weakside defender.... Boozer is one of the worst defensive big men in the league. He might be worse-than-Troy-Murphy bad. He's a guy who will stand aside on defense night in and night out and let his opponents do whatever they want.

Yet, he's a good signing for Chicago because of Noah.

If Chicago trades Noah in a package to bring in Carmelo Anthony, they will become an awful defensive team.

The conventional wisdom is that whoever gets the best player wins the trade. In this case, I'm not sure I agree. I think this trade could make Chicago several orders of worse. They should not underestimate what Noah brings to that team.

Day-V
09-09-2010, 06:47 PM
Melo would look kinda weird in a Bulls jersey.

O'Bird
09-09-2010, 07:03 PM
There is no way Chicago can do this deal with out a 3rd team if Denver won't take Deng.

Word. The rumor is that Denver wants draft picks, young players, and expirings; if they lose Anthony, which looks certain, then they're going to blow it up (which means that Chauncey Billups (and Nene? and Chris Andersen?) will also be available).

If true, Indiana could be a participant in the deal, because they've got expirings and young players; the question then is: does Indiana want Deng? Because whatever else comes back, you've got to be happy getting him - he's signed through 2014 with some pretty impressive money. Worth it?

I think that he'd fit well, basketball-wise. Superb wing defender, and can make shots in every midrange area plus both corner threes. Got to the line a fair amount, and is a grade-B FT shooter. Doesn't turn it over a lot... Doesn't get a lot of assists.

I think it won't happen with Indiana.
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CableKC
09-09-2010, 07:41 PM
Word. The rumor is that Denver wants draft picks, young players, and expirings; if they lose Anthony, which looks certain, then they're going to blow it up (which means that Chauncey Billups (and Nene? and Chris Andersen?) will also be available).

If true, Indiana could be a participant in the deal, because they've got expirings and young players; the question then is: does Indiana want Deng? Because whatever else comes back, you've got to be happy getting him - he's signed through 2014 with some pretty impressive money. Worth it?

I think that he'd fit well, basketball-wise. Superb wing defender, and can make shots in every midrange area plus both corner threes. Got to the line a fair amount, and is a grade-B FT shooter. Doesn't turn it over a lot... Doesn't get a lot of assists.

I think it won't happen with Indiana.
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If they do blow it up....any interest in Nene if we could get involved somehow?

He's more of a Center then PF....but I wouldn't mind living with a huge Frontcourt with Nene/Hibbert/Hansbrough for a season. Heck, I'd throw in Foster as well.

bulldog
09-09-2010, 07:54 PM
This would be a good test for the statheads. 'Melo does terribly on the advanced stats, Noah is Mr. Little Things. I'd be interested to see how much better or worse the Bulls would get.

Kstat
09-09-2010, 08:00 PM
I'd be very upset if Denver trades for Noah and Detroit makes no offer for Nene...

O'Bird
09-09-2010, 08:43 PM
If they do blow it up....any interest in Nene if we could get involved somehow?

He's more of a Center then PF....but I wouldn't mind living with a huge Frontcourt with Nene/Hibbert/Hansbrough for a season. Heck, I'd throw in Foster as well.

I think he can guard most 4's. The money's steep, but it's only two years. He's 28, but if they undertake re-building they may want to trade him now - why would he re-sign at age 30 when they're at the bottom of the cycle? It's not a good bet for them, I think.

Birdman is also intriguing - long term deal, like Deng until 2014 but it's for less than midlevel money (3.9 this year).

beezer615
09-09-2010, 09:10 PM
I think a Noah-Hibbert frontcourt might be one of the worst offensive sights in the league. Defensively it might be outstanding.

pwee31
09-09-2010, 09:53 PM
Wow I can't believe the Bulls might be willing to give up Noah. I figured Deng and like Taj Gibson, James Johnson and draft pick or something.

It'll be interesting to see what happens. I don't think he ends up with the Bulls

PaceBalls
09-09-2010, 10:37 PM
Joakim Noah = a young Jeff Foster like role player.
Deng = overpaid role player.

Carmello Anthony = one of the top 5 players in the league.

As far as Nene goes, I love his game. He is a defensive ace, he is a banger with shades of Dale Davis. He gets paid alot, so I dunno, but he is what the Pacers need. I wish the Pacers could be the team... Maybe in a couple of years superstars will want to come to Indy to play with DC.

xBulletproof
09-09-2010, 11:12 PM
Anthony = one of the top 5 players in the league.

You must have a very strange top 4. Wow, top 5? He'd be lucky to be in the top 15 to me. He'd be the 3rd best player on the Heat. That's just one team.

PaceBalls
09-09-2010, 11:28 PM
You must have a very strange top 4. Wow, top 5? He'd be lucky to be in the top 15 to me. He'd be the 3rd best player on the Heat. That's just one team.

The reason he might be 3rd best on the Heat is because he would be playing with 2 future HoFers... I mean c'mon man. If that is your argument, then it isn't one worth having.

It's not that far of a stretch to say Carmello is one of the top 5 players in the NBA.

Let's discuss who we think would be the in the mix. I say we have Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Carmello, CPaul if he is healthy? Who else are you going to put over those guys. You can say aging players such as Dirk, Duncan, Nash etc... but when you factor in age... well I hope you get it.

pwee31
09-09-2010, 11:35 PM
Kobe, Lebron, Durant, Wade, Dirk, Howard, Deron Williams, Chris Paul are guys I would personally take over Carmello. I think he could arguably be top 5 though

xBulletproof
09-09-2010, 11:37 PM
When talking top 5 players, age shouldn't matter. You're talking top 5 players right now.

Regardless, you're ignoring Durant, Dwight, Deron .... To add to the obvious Kobe, Lebron, Wade , and CP3. I'd take every one of those guys over Carmelo. That's just 7 off the top of my head.

PaceBalls
09-09-2010, 11:40 PM
When talking top 5 players, age shouldn't matter. You're talking top 5 players right now.

Regardless, you're ignoring Durant, Dwight, Deron .... To add to the obvious Kobe, Lebron, Wade , and CP3. I'd take every one of those guys over Carmelo. That's just 7 off the top of my head.

Ahh yea Dwight is in the mix too and Durant and maybe Deron, anyone else you are adding to the list over Carmello would hurt your cred...

Also, age really does matter, especially in a thread about a potential trade. :hmm:

PaceBalls
09-09-2010, 11:45 PM
When talking top 5 players, age shouldn't matter. You're talking top 5 players right now.

Regardless, you're ignoring Durant, Dwight, Deron .... To add to the obvious Kobe, Lebron, Wade , and CP3. I'd take every one of those guys over Carmelo. That's just 7 off the top of my head.


Just for fun... List me the other 8 players you would want over Carmello for some good forum entertainment.

CableKC
09-10-2010, 12:28 AM
I think he can guard most 4's. The money's steep, but it's only two years. He's 28, but if they undertake re-building they may want to trade him now - why would he re-sign at age 30 when they're at the bottom of the cycle? It's not a good bet for them, I think.

Birdman is also intriguing - long term deal, like Deng until 2014 but it's for less than midlevel money (3.9 this year).
I didn't consider Birdman....but I'd guess that the Nuggets would keep him due to his lower SalaryCap impact.

I know that Nene has some injury and contract concerns but I'd be okay if we were really looking for a strong rebounding presense inside to pair with Hibbert and Hansbrough.

xBulletproof
09-10-2010, 12:40 AM
Just for fun... List me the other 8 players you would want over Carmello for some good forum entertainment.

Wow, that's a new tactic. Act condescending about someone's opinion BEFORE it's even given. Interesting.

Regardless, I'm obviously not being very exact about this. I don't know exactly where I'd place Carmelo in a list, I just said he'd be lucky to be in the top 15. Pretty obvious I hadn't made a list or I'd have just said exactly where he was on my list. However I certainly knew he wasn't in the top 5. I've already come up with 7 players that I would easily take over Carmelo off the top of my head. My point is proven, and I'm not going to get dragged into a nitpicking personal list debate over something I wasn't at any point trying to be that specific about.

I understand this is open for individual interpretation and all, but I just don't see how a one dimensional player can be a top 5 player. He scores, but doesn't excel at rebounding, and he isn't a creator, or quality defender. He's also selfish at times. Career wise he shoots 1% better than Granger except he doesn't shoot nearly as many from the distance Danny does. So he's not overly efficient at the one thing he excels at, either. Just .... don't get it.

PaceBalls
09-10-2010, 01:51 AM
You must have a very strange top 4. Wow, top 5? He'd be lucky to be in the top 15 to me. He'd be the 3rd best player on the Heat. That's just one team.


Hey man, all I have to go on is what you type. This was your original response to me. So let's see you back it up.

Hicks
09-10-2010, 11:39 AM
I don't think he meant it the way you read it.

Shade
09-10-2010, 02:58 PM
I can't believe how overrated Noah is around here.

Carmelo >>>>> Noah

diamonddave00
09-10-2010, 03:05 PM
Basicly Noah is giving the Bulls the same production Tyson Chandler did while he was a Bull. If you have the opportunity to get top 10 quality player like Camello Anthony still in his prime only a year older than Noah you do it.

I see little upside for Noah , his game is based on hustle and desire ( like Jeff Foster) so I think what you see from Noah is pretty much his peak.

Add Anthony to Boozer and Rose with Brewer or Korver at sg, and pretty much any servicable center and the Bulls are a legit Eastern contender.