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jmoney2584
08-30-2010, 09:55 PM
Through all the negativity, doom and gloom, and general BS that has gone on the past few weeks, I thought the forum could use an injection of humor. Some may have mixed feelings on this, but at this point I feel most will certainly enjoy it. Have fun...and sorry JO ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r-_PG_kVDg

BKK
08-30-2010, 10:05 PM
:hmm:

ChristianDudley
08-30-2010, 10:09 PM
Just like people commented on that video on youtube, JO has gotten dunked on because he's one of the few people that has the balls to actually attempt to swat their shot. Like it or not, Jermaine did wonders for us during his time as a Pacer. And when he comes back to Conseco each year, he doesn't deserve a single one of those boos. JO was a great player for us both on and off of the court. Other than that, the video could have been in much better quality lol.

Pacers#1Fan
08-30-2010, 11:02 PM
I don't seem to share the contempt a lot of Pacers fans have for JO. Just like the post above says, if you're going to challenge someone at the rim you're going to get dunked on every once in awhile. What's one of the biggest knocks on the Pacers right now? No strong defensive presence to contest at the rim.

JonnyB83
08-30-2010, 11:22 PM
I get so mad at people when they boo JO when ever he comes back to Indy. JO gave us his best years, and was nearly an MVP one year. He didn't force his way out or trash the Pacers after he left. I understand being a little upset because he didn't play but I have torn meniscus in my knees and it hurts me to play half court with my friends. I can't imagine what it would have been like playing with that at the highest level of basketball. Every time JO comes back I do my best to drown out as many boos as I can by cheering as loud as I can. I also still do the JO thing after his free throwns to the tune of Day Oh. I loved that!

Psyren
08-31-2010, 12:12 AM
I don't seem to share the contempt a lot of Pacers fans have for JO. Just like the post above says, if you're going to challenge someone at the rim you're going to get dunked on every once in awhile. What's one of the biggest knocks on the Pacers right now? No strong defensive presence to contest at the rim.
I couldn't agree more. If people can knock JO for actually attempting to block shots, then our current players need to be knocked 100 times more.

Though Murphy is gone, I'm not sure I can truly remember him ever truly attempting to block someone who was about to dunk on him. Hibby tries, but he's simply not quick enough at times.

JO was a great player here, and I have nothing but respect for what he did for us.

Peck
08-31-2010, 12:46 AM
Well I found him being T bagged by Trevor Ariza particularly amusing.

BornReady
08-31-2010, 12:48 AM
I clicked on this link expecting to be amused...

jmoney2584
08-31-2010, 02:20 AM
Hey, I never bashed on JO. When he was here he was my favorite player next to the apparently sane version of Ron Artest (pre-brawl, pre-elbowing Rip Hamilton and blowing our chances in that game). I certainly appreciate players challenging dunks at the rim with tough D as well....the part that gave me negative feelings towards JO was his inability to lead and his last few years here when he was all talk ("getting back to dominating"). Players getting dunked on in general is entertaining and seeing as how a lot of these clips come from JO's post-Pacer days, I can sit back and laugh while JO dominates...or whatever it is he is doing with nuts on his cabeza. Oh what have I begun.... my apologies to those offended at my light hearted, but perhaps ill conceived attempt at humor. Cheers! and protect that rim!

d_c
08-31-2010, 02:37 AM
I don't seem to share the contempt a lot of Pacers fans have for JO. Just like the post above says, if you're going to challenge someone at the rim you're going to get dunked on every once in awhile. What's one of the biggest knocks on the Pacers right now? No strong defensive presence to contest at the rim.

Yep. You'll see lots of photos of guys driving past Troy Murphy but almost no photos of him getting dunked on. And there's a reason for that. That guy's help defense was so bad that he didn't even bother to challenge shots.

Not challenging any shots and is a good way to ensure that you'll never get dunked on. Of course it also guarantees that you're not going to help your team defensively.

cinotimz
08-31-2010, 06:29 AM
Wasnt all JO's fault. Hes not the one that chose to trade Ron instead of JO. JO was a good player on and off the court as has been mentioned. And was a warrior at times. But somehow he never was a leader and couldnt coexist with Artest. Our team wouldve looked a whole lot better if we wouldve traded JO as he was still pretty much in his prime and wouldve garnered a great deal as a number of teams were sure to overpay for him versus trading Ron at a time when his value was at its lowest.

Huge mistake. And that fell squarely on Donnie.

tsm612
08-31-2010, 06:52 AM
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Brad8888
08-31-2010, 09:34 AM
:notamused:

ThA HoyA
08-31-2010, 10:03 AM
Wasnt all JO's fault. Hes not the one that chose to trade Ron instead of JO. JO was a good player on and off the court as has been mentioned. And was a warrior at times. But somehow he never was a leader and couldnt coexist with Artest. Our team wouldve looked a whole lot better if we wouldve traded JO as he was still pretty much in his prime and wouldve garnered a great deal as a number of teams were sure to overpay for him versus trading Ron at a time when his value was at its lowest.

Huge mistake. And that fell squarely on Donnie.

Seriously keep Ron the guy who always thought about himself first?? A lot of people forget how good JO was he did everything that was asked by the franchise... Bulk up to play some center he did that and IMO that's what caused him to become injured frequently... Looking back because of the injuries people like to say we overpaid for him but he was 25 just had averaged 20pts 10 rebounds and almost 2 blocks a game... That's a max deal type player not this al horford stuff...

ChicagoJ
08-31-2010, 10:47 AM
:notamused:


You shouldn't be. You're the guy getting burned in some of those videos where JO is left to clean up your mess.

Along with (a) Bosh, (b) JALEN ROSE!!, (c) Murphy (go figure), a completely turned-around backwards Granger, way to stop the ball on the break, Dunleavy, Tinsley not fighting through the p-n-r, etc.

Although, I gotta say, some of the Toronto and Miami ones really showed how immobile he is now. Most of the Pacers-era plays he was moving and trying to protect the rim from somebody else's mistake but the more recent ones... ugly!

Indra
08-31-2010, 04:39 PM
I do miss that sweet JO fade away jumper.

DGPR
08-31-2010, 11:37 PM
Actually a young JO would be perfect for what this team needs right now.

jmoney2584
09-01-2010, 01:40 AM
Actually a young JO would be perfect for what this team needs right now.

Says you and about 29 other NBA teams... Gotta miss the good ol' days. JO was definitely helped by the presence of Reggies outside threat. This goes unnoticed when thinking back on JO's glory days. The threat of a "boom baby!" opened up a lot of players games when Uncle Reg was still on the team.

JonnyB83
09-01-2010, 02:37 AM
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In the clip at Seattle where in the world is Foster running to??

Peck
09-01-2010, 02:54 AM
PPG 14.2 RPG 7.5

PPG 18.1 RPG 7.5

Quick without looking tell me which one is the career stats for Jermain O'Neal and which one is the one for Shareef Abdur-Rahim.

nerveghost
09-01-2010, 08:08 AM
I booed him. He deserved it.

ksuttonjr76
09-01-2010, 09:36 AM
I booed him. He deserved it.

Why is that? He's not his fault that he got injured. If you haven't noticed, Indiana seems to have one of the worst medical staffs in the NBA.

ChicagoJ
09-01-2010, 10:59 AM
PPG 14.2 RPG 7.5 Career Playoff Games: 81. Total Minutes Played from 1996-2000: 2,435. Frontcourt teammates over that time frame: Brian Grant, Rasheed, Sabonis, Cato.

PPG 18.1 RPG 7.5 Career Playoff Games: 6. Minutes Played for each season from 1996-2000: 2802, 2950, 2021 (lockout season, only 50 games played), and 3233. Frontcourt teammates over that time frame: Big Country? :laugh: Really? Massenberg, Cherokee Parks, Othello Harrington.

Quick without looking tell me which one is the career stats for Jermain O'Neal and which one is the one for Shareef Abdur-Rahim.

Fixed.

I'm sure that if JO was put on those Grizzlies teams -- even leaving Shareef on the team, that JO would have become thier "best player" during that four year period where he was stuck behind that great Blazers front line, playing sporadically and dragging down his career per-game stats vs. a guy that immediately made the starting lineup only to put up decent numbers on a really, really bad team.

I would say I was disappointed in you for this type of nonsense, but your anti-JO venom doesn't make this surprising.

ChicagoJ
09-01-2010, 11:04 AM
Why is that? He's not his fault that he got injured. If you haven't noticed, Indiana seems to have one of the worst medical staffs in the NBA.

Yes, its his fault.

He should have pouted when the Pacers needed him to gain weight and to center after they let Brad Miller go.

He should have refused to do. He should have known that it would destroy his knees, his lateral quickness. That his game was based on explosive spin moves from the block, not methodically backing down into position.

If he was depressed about it, he should have smoked more dope and gotten suspended for it. Then he'd be a hero instead of an injury-riddled goat.

Instead, he did what was asked, was a pillar in the community, and was surrounded by young, less than professional bozos on the roster that were jealous of JO's success and contract. And when it didn't work out he's been labeled a failure ever since. Totally his fault.

ksuttonjr76
09-01-2010, 11:11 AM
Yes, its his fault.

He should have pouted when the Pacers needed him to gain weight and to center after they let Brad Miller go.

He should have refused to do. He should have known that it would destroy his knees, his lateral quickness. That his game was based on explosive spin moves from the block, not methodically backing down into position.

If he was depressed about it, he should have smoked more dope and gotten suspended for it. Then he'd be a hero instead of an injury-riddled goat.

Instead, he did what was asked, was a pillar in the community, and was surrounded by young, less than professional bozos on the roster that were jealous of JO's success and contract. And when it didn't work out he's been labeled a failure ever since. Totally his fault.

Where's the green?

ChicagoJ
09-01-2010, 11:24 AM
Where's the green?

That's for you to decide. :tongue:

:flirt:

nerveghost
09-01-2010, 12:09 PM
Why is that? He's not his fault that he got injured. If you haven't noticed, Indiana seems to have one of the worst medical staffs in the NBA.

I believe that he quit on his team and his teammates his final year. This sentiment was echoed by (a surprisingly candid) Mark Boyle on a local radio program. Injuries are one thing, but quitting is a whole different animal.

For the record, I boo Ron Artest as well.

ChicagoJ
09-01-2010, 12:32 PM
I believe that he quit on his team and his teammates his final year. This sentiment was echoed by (a surprisingly candid) Mark Boyle on a local radio program. Injuries are one thing, but quitting is a whole different animal.

For the record, I boo Ron Artest as well.

Things clearly did not end well for JO. I can understand that. But there was also the remainder of the 2004-05 season, where JO tried to single-handledly pick up the team from the scrap heap during Reggie's final (and except for 4 or 5 games, not very good) season.

I'm less disappointed in how it ended (as I think Bird shares in the blame) as I remember the times he cared, and did try, and didn't get much help from his rotten teammates. And I'm including all five of his rotten teammates: Ron, Stephen, Al, Austin, and Anthony.

Peck
09-01-2010, 12:39 PM
Things clearly did not end well for JO. I can understand that. But there was also the remainder of the 2004-05 season, where JO tried to single-handledly pick up the team from the scrap heap during Reggie's final (and except for 4 or 5 games, not very good) season.

I'm less disappointed in how it ended (as I think Bird shares in the blame) as I remember the times he cared, and did try, and didn't get much help from his rotten teammates. And I'm including all five of his rotten teammates: Ron, Stephen, Al, Austin, and Anthony.

:laugh::laugh:

Yes it was everyone else's fault but J.O.'s. Please.....


It has always been so funny to me that you held Ron Artest to one standard and Jermaine O'Neal to a different one.

ksuttonjr76
09-01-2010, 12:43 PM
I believe that he quit on his team and his teammates his final year. This sentiment was echoed by (a surprisingly candid) Mark Boyle on a local radio program. Injuries are one thing, but quitting is a whole different animal.

For the record, I boo Ron Artest as well.

Wow, just wow. I was really expecting a more thought out answer than that. So I guess anyone who doesn't play through injuries should be considered as quitting. I guess he must have quit on the Raptors and Heat too, because he's playing no where near the level that he was playing at while in Indiana.

As for Artest, I still like him as a player. I'm more mad at him for turning his back on the team after the support he got, then the Brawl.

nerveghost
09-01-2010, 12:54 PM
Couldn't find Boyle's quote - but here is one from Bird that is a not too subtle dig at JO's effort and leadership:

“Just because you make the most money doesn’t mean you’re the leader,” Bird said. “A lot of guys didn’t want to step on toes. Not only here, but other places I’ve been at. They’d say, the guy makes the most money, that means he’s the leader. That’s not the case. The leader comes from the guy doing the right thing, the guy that’s going to be there every day at practice, the guy that plays through pain without complaining. They do the necessary things to prepare themselves.
http://dimemag.com/2008/09/larry-bird-says-jermaine-oneal-part-of-pacers-problem/

I've heard a number of quotes like this one from insiders about JO, but Mark Boyle's comments were the best I had heard.

And I get paid by the hour at work - so that's all the explanation you are going to get there, pal.

nerveghost
09-01-2010, 01:13 PM
Actually, this might link to the Boyle interview. Let me know if it does.
http://media.1070thefan.com/Podcasts/1274/8.2_PODCAST.mp3

ksuttonjr76
09-01-2010, 01:17 PM
Couldn't find Boyle's quote - but here is one from Bird that is a not too subtle dig at JO's effort and leadership:

“Just because you make the most money doesn’t mean you’re the leader,” Bird said. “A lot of guys didn’t want to step on toes. Not only here, but other places I’ve been at. They’d say, the guy makes the most money, that means he’s the leader. That’s not the case. The leader comes from the guy doing the right thing, the guy that’s going to be there every day at practice, the guy that plays through pain without complaining. They do the necessary things to prepare themselves.
http://dimemag.com/2008/09/larry-bird-says-jermaine-oneal-part-of-pacers-problem/

I've heard a number of quotes like this one from insiders about JO, but Mark Boyle's comments were the best I had heard.

And I get paid by the hour at work - so that's all the explanation you are going to get there, pal.

Dude...we've known for years that JO wasn't a true "leader". That doesn't mean he quit on the team.

http://www.indycornrows.com/2009/8/6/980086/better-know-a-broadcaster-mark

Sounds like to me, Mark always had a chip on his shoulder about JO. Plus...he's a radio broadcaster.

nerveghost
09-01-2010, 01:44 PM
Keep drinkin' the Kool-aid, dude. I can keep pulling out quotes from other insiders, but honestly, I don't have the time. I guess it is easier to be blissfully unaware...