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Cavs lead charge for Sessions, but Pacers inquire about him as well

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  • Cavs lead charge for Sessions, but Pacers inquire about him as well

    Bill Ingram
    Hoopsworld.com
    http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16853

    Last summer Ramon Sessions was one of the more sought-after point guards in free agency. The Milwaukee Bucks liked him, but didn't want to overpay to keep him, the New York Knicks offered a one-year deal, and the LA Clippers also showed a great deal of interest. At the end of the day the Minnesota Timberwolves made the best offer, getting four years and $16.4 million.

    It was an odd signing, considering the Timberwolves drafted two point guards in Jonny Flynn and Ricky Rubio, and the more head coach Kurt Rambis tried Sessions in the triangle offense the less he looked like the right point guard for the Timberwolves. This summer the Timberwolves have added Luke Ridnour, who is a much better fit in the triangle, spelling the beginning of the end for Sessions.

    The timing couldn't be better for Minnesota to move Sessions, as a number of teams are looking for point guard help. The Indiana Pacers, Charlotte Bobcats, and Cleveland Cavaliers have all been in contact with Minnesota to explore what it would take to land Sessions. The Cavaliers are believed to be the frontrunners at this point, primarily because the Timberwolves would love to have Delonte West's contract in return, with the idea that they would waive him and it would cost the team just $500,000 to save $4 million. Minnesota would throw in Kosta Koufas, as well.

    Sessions may not be an elite level point guard, but he is more than capable of running a team. The issue in Minnesota has everything to do with his inability to run the triangle, not his overall ability to play the point. Considering that the Timberwolves are seeking little beyond cap relief in return, don't be surprised to see Sessions moved soon.
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    Re: Cavs lead charge for Sessions, but Pacers inquire about him as well

    come on indy leapfrog the cavs!
    Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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      Re: Cavs lead charge for Sessions, but Pacers inquire about him as well

      I wouldn't mind Sessions, but as of now with Lance Stephenson showing he can be a good point guard for us and be a part of our future along with A.J. Price, I'd love to just keep those two and give them both plenty of minutes right now to continue their growth as early as possible. If we could move T.J. from the roster in a deal for Sessions, then sure I'd like to bring him aboard so that we could have 3 PGs, but if we can't move T.J., then just go into the season with what we have. At least that's my feelings on the PG situation.

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      • #4
        Re: Cavs lead charge for Sessions, but Pacers inquire about him as well

        Sessions doesn't excite me in the least.

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          Re: Cavs lead charge for Sessions, but Pacers inquire about him as well

          Originally posted by Hicks View Post
          Sessions doesn't excite me in the least.
          He's not a blackhole like Ford, so that's something.

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            Re: Cavs lead charge for Sessions, but Pacers inquire about him as well

            In 07 Sessions averaged 13 and 13 in 7 starts. In 2008 he avearaged 15 points and 8 assists, and 2 turnovers in 33 minutes per, in 39 starts.

            After what we've had at PG, I have no idea why he wouldn't excite people. Especially after how professional he was when they drafted Flynn and Rubio. I can't remember the exact quote, but it was a perfect response to how he would handle the situation, and he never wavered in following up those words with actions. He's professional, on top of being a quality player.

            I think people aren't happy unless you're running Chris Paul out there, or something.

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              Re: Cavs lead charge for Sessions, but Pacers inquire about him as well

              "Considering that the Timberwolves are seeking little beyond cap relief in return..."

              They are looking for immediate cap relief. We have none to offer. It is as if they need to buy steak, so they will go to Krogers. We are Home Depot. We may be a very nice Home Depot, but we do not carry steak. I like the guy, but don't see a way unless the 'wolves change their mind about what they want and settle for D batteries and plywood instead of steak.
              Last edited by Slick Pinkham; 07-18-2010, 09:00 PM.
              The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                Re: Cavs lead charge for Sessions, but Pacers inquire about him as well

                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                Sessions doesn't excite me in the least.
                Originally posted by ChristianDudley View Post
                He's not a blackhole like Ford, so that's something.
                I agree with Hicks. I'd rather keep what we have, rather than go for Sessions. It hurts to admit it, but Ford and Sessions are relatively equal in terms of overall impact they have on their team, which is actually a compliment to Sessions. That being said, It's hard to be even a decent PG at the NBA level, so being TJ good is saying something. Just as a team they get you nothing.

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                  Re: Cavs lead charge for Sessions, but Pacers inquire about him as well

                  [QUOTE=Slick Pinkham;1039672]

                  They are looking for immediate cap relief. We have none to offer. /QUOTE]


                  Exactly! As much as I'd like to have Ramon Sessions, the Pacers don't have what Kahn wants.

                  See how valuable those expirings are. (In green)

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                    Re: Cavs lead charge for Sessions, but Pacers inquire about him as well

                    [QUOTE=Justin Tyme;1039682]
                    Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post

                    They are looking for immediate cap relief. We have none to offer. /QUOTE]


                    Exactly! As much as I'd like to have Ramon Sessions, the Pacers don't have what Kahn wants.

                    See how valuable those expirings are. (In green)

                    Picks...we can waive price then
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                      Re: Cavs lead charge for Sessions, but Pacers inquire about him as well

                      I'd rather let our Expiring Contracts expire then take on Sessions. He's a decent Starting PG for an "Okay" Team...but not one for a Playoff-Caliber Team going forward. I'd be okay with taking him on if he had a shorter Contract....but with AJ slotted to take the backup PG spot for the immediate future and Sessions having a guaranteed 3 year contract.....committing to Sessions means committing to a PG for 3 seasons that is better suited to be a backup PG on a good team as opposed to a Starter on a Bad team.
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                        Re: Cavs lead charge for Sessions, but Pacers inquire about him as well

                        This isn't the first time I've read people saying the Timberwolves want immediate cap relief (as if they need it ). Where is that written? Seems what I'm reading suggests they just don't want long-term contracts, and in which case, we could offer them something.

                        *edit* And really? Sarcasm that our expirings are worthless because one team might be that impatient? Please...

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                          Re: Cavs lead charge for Sessions, but Pacers inquire about him as well

                          Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                          I'd rather let our Expiring Contracts expire then take on Sessions. He's a decent Starting PG for an "Okay" Team...but not one for a Playoff-Caliber Team going forward. I'd be okay with taking him on if he had a shorter Contract....but with AJ slotted to take the backup PG spot for the immediate future and Sessions having a guaranteed 3 year contract.....committing to Sessions means committing to a PG for 3 seasons that is better suited to be a backup PG on a good team as opposed to a Starter on a Bad team.
                          But that doesn't mean he couldn't be our back up eventually does it? I mean people act like if we trade for this guy, then thats its he is guy for the next 3-5 years.
                          You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                            Re: Cavs lead charge for Sessions, but Pacers inquire about him as well

                            [QUOTE=bambam;1039683]
                            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post


                            Picks...we can waive price then

                            Are you saying for the Pacers to trade Minnesota picks for Sessions? If so, it can't be done.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Cavs lead charge for Sessions, but Pacers inquire about him as well

                              Is Minnesota still trying to shed salary? If so they must have a really cheap owner. This doesn't have Ridnour on it, or how much Darko is getting paid, but they still have a bunch of cap space. Kahn is looking like an idiot anyway. Is darko really going o start at center for them?

                              Player2010-112011-122012-132013-142014-152015-16
                              Darko Milicic$$$$
                              Michael Beasley$4,962,240$6,262,347Q-$8,172,363
                              Martell Webster$4,800,000$5,256,000$5,712,000
                              Ramon Sessions$3,964,320$4,257,973$4,551,626
                              Wesley Johnson$3,726,600$4,006,080$4,285,560$5,421,233Q-$7,150,607
                              Corey Brewer$3,703,472Q-$4,966,356
                              Kevin Love$3,638,280$4,609,701Q-$6,112,463
                              Jonny Flynn$3,192,000$3,414,720$4,329,865Q-$5,776,040
                              Ryan Hollins$2,333,333$2,483,333
                              Kosta Koufos$1,298,640$2,203,792Q-$3,206,517
                              Wayne Ellington$1,078,800$1,154,040$2,083,042Q-$3,103,733
                              Lazar Hayward$1,020,960$1,097,520$1,174,080$2,119,214Q-$3,178,822
                              Greg Stiemsma$762,195
                              TOTAL$34,480,840$34,745,506$22,136,173$7,540,447$0$0
                              * No Longer With Team


                              Last edited by pacers74; 07-18-2010, 10:22 PM.

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