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  • Let's buy 'em out

    Here's what I think.

    Unless we're able to pick up a superstar for spare parts, I don't think Bird is going to make any significant moves this summer. He wants the cap space provided by Murphy/Foster/Dunleavy/Ford/Tinsley's expiring contracts.

    If we're not going to trade these guys, I'd rather we buy them out to clear up the roster space. I'd rather watch the kids play, even if it means fewer wins. Keep 'em until the All-Star Break, sure, but if we don't have deals on the table I'd rather let those guys sign with contenders.

    If you buy out all of our expiring contracts, this would be our roster:

    Hibbert - S.Jones
    McRoberts - Rolle - Hansbrough
    Granger - George
    Rush - D.Jones
    Price - Stephenson

    Yeah, it's ugly at the 1 and 4. But wouldn't you rather watch this than watch Murphy/Foster/Dunleavy/Ford get irrelevant minutes that take away from developing the kids?
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    Re: Let's buy 'em out

    Originally posted by Anthem View Post
    Here's what I think.

    Unless we're able to pick up a superstar for spare parts, I don't think Bird is going to make any significant moves this summer. He wants the cap space provided by Murphy/Foster/Dunleavy/Ford/Tinsley's expiring contracts.

    If we're not going to trade these guys, I'd rather we buy them out to clear up the roster space. I'd rather watch the kids play, even if it means fewer wins. Keep 'em until the All-Star Break, sure, but if we don't have deals on the table I'd rather let those guys sign with contenders.

    If you buy out all of our expiring contracts, this would be our roster:

    Hibbert - S.Jones
    McRoberts - Rolle - Hansbrough
    Granger - George
    Rush - D.Jones
    Price - Stephenson

    Yeah, it's ugly at the 1 and 4. But wouldn't you rather watch this than watch Murphy/Foster/Dunleavy/Ford get irrelevant minutes that take away from developing the kids?
    Well, it would certainly alleviate the possibility of going on another late season winning streak.

    I don't really see the point in buying them out. Just let them play out the contracts in that event. I think at least two or three of them will be dealt by then, making the point moot.

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      Re: Let's buy 'em out

      Bird seems too stubborn to make a move like this.
      "The greatest thing you know Comes not from above but below" Danzig

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        Re: Let's buy 'em out

        Originally posted by Anthem View Post
        Here's what I think.

        Unless we're able to pick up a superstar for spare parts, I don't think Bird is going to make any significant moves this summer. He wants the cap space provided by Murphy/Foster/Dunleavy/Ford/Tinsley's expiring contracts.

        If we're not going to trade these guys, I'd rather we buy them out to clear up the roster space. I'd rather watch the kids play, even if it means fewer wins. Keep 'em until the All-Star Break, sure, but if we don't have deals on the table I'd rather let those guys sign with contenders.

        If you buy out all of our expiring contracts, this would be our roster:

        Hibbert - S.Jones
        McRoberts - Rolle - Hansbrough
        Granger - George
        Rush - D.Jones
        Price - Stephenson

        Yeah, it's ugly at the 1 and 4. But wouldn't you rather watch this than watch Murphy/Foster/Dunleavy/Ford get irrelevant minutes that take away from developing the kids?
        I like this thinking a lot. Most of all we will get a great draft pick like you said. Keeping guys like Murphy and Dunleavy we will just rack up meaningless wins and hold back the developments from the young guys.

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          Re: Let's buy 'em out

          I'm actually dumbfounded and still hoping to see the Mike Dunleavy from a couple years ago. I can't help it, I just enjoy what he brings to the table when healthy a little too much. I could care less about everyone else though.

          I suspect Murphy has solid trade value already, and it's just Bird and O'Brien are blinded the stats and things he can contribute, and ignoring the things he struggles with. I truly believe the Pacers are overvaluing Troy Murphy, but that's just my opinion and unfortunately there's no fact to back that up.

          I also think it will take Price more time then people think to recover. Knee surgeries always take awhile, even if it's just the player's confidence in the knee. Price may not return the player he was or we thought he could be (same could be true for Dunleavy unfortunately) and the Pacers may have to look elsewhere, though I think they'll stick behind AJ

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            Re: Let's buy 'em out

            Bad idea. murphy will be traded i am certain. if lebron signs with the cavs expect the cavs to want to add more pieces since they couldnt win this year. they wanted murphy before but we wanted to much now we just want to move him really. i think the cavs and possibly some other teams that dont get a free agent PF will look at murphy. Wolves are looking at Lee and so are the Nets so which ever one is left out in the cold might look at murphy too cause after lee there are no more 10 n 10 guys besides murphy
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              Re: Let's buy 'em out

              I think TJ and Solo need gone, hook or crook. I think the franchise is just done with them, even though Bird mentioned TJ by name as a PG for the Pacers.

              I think Troy and probably Jeff need sent away so that Obie can't give them minutes over younger players who ARE part of the future. It's meaningless to play those two coaches security blankets, in the larger scheme. Sorry about Jeff in this scenario, but it's probably whats best.

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                Re: Let's buy 'em out

                think TJ can play point for a team that needs a pg and has a lot of capspace? Both the Knicks and Miami need a pg, and there's only one Felton available in the FA
                Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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                  Re: Let's buy 'em out

                  Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                  Here's what I think.

                  Unless we're able to pick up a superstar for spare parts, I don't think Bird is going to make any significant moves this summer. He wants the cap space provided by Murphy/Foster/Dunleavy/Ford/Tinsley's expiring contracts.

                  If we're not going to trade these guys, I'd rather we buy them out to clear up the roster space. I'd rather watch the kids play, even if it means fewer wins. Keep 'em until the All-Star Break, sure, but if we don't have deals on the table I'd rather let those guys sign with contenders.

                  If you buy out all of our expiring contracts, this would be our roster:

                  Hibbert - S.Jones
                  McRoberts - Rolle - Hansbrough
                  Granger - George
                  Rush - D.Jones
                  Price - Stephenson

                  Yeah, it's ugly at the 1 and 4. But wouldn't you rather watch this than watch Murphy/Foster/Dunleavy/Ford get irrelevant minutes that take away from developing the kids?
                  we might want to see the kind of year this guys have first. if Dun comes back strong his value will increase, same with foster. i dont see murphy really improving any, ford as well.

                  i think theres the possibility Dun get resigned, much less expensive and shorter deal.. 5 mill 3 years or something like that. i would also like to see foster resigned if he has anything left at all.. 2 mill 2-3 years. but if both these guys walk i wont be too heartbroken.. well a lil with Foster, been of fave of mine for a long time and he has been with this franchise back when they were elite.

                  one more point to make, the potential i guess is always there for a S&T although highly unlikely.

                  with that said.. i completely see where your headed with this line of thinking.

                  im kinda hoping Dun and Foster have good seasons, esp Dunleavy, he could be a really good 6th man, and depending on Rush's development, or whether we trade him, Dunleavy might be worth keeping at a reasonable price.

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                    Re: Let's buy 'em out

                    Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                    Here's what I think.

                    Unless we're able to pick up a superstar for spare parts, I don't think Bird is going to make any significant moves this summer. He wants the cap space provided by Murphy/Foster/Dunleavy/Ford/Tinsley's expiring contracts.

                    If we're not going to trade these guys, I'd rather we buy them out to clear up the roster space. I'd rather watch the kids play, even if it means fewer wins. Keep 'em until the All-Star Break, sure, but if we don't have deals on the table I'd rather let those guys sign with contenders.

                    If you buy out all of our expiring contracts, this would be our roster:

                    Hibbert - S.Jones
                    McRoberts - Rolle - Hansbrough
                    Granger - George
                    Rush - D.Jones
                    Price - Stephenson

                    Yeah, it's ugly at the 1 and 4. But wouldn't you rather watch this than watch Murphy/Foster/Dunleavy/Ford get irrelevant minutes that take away from developing the kids?
                    I don't see it as ugly at the 4 spot at all. In fact I think that would be a dramatic improvement at the 4.

                    If Hans is 3/4 healed then he is already 2/3 better than Murphy is. McRoberts right now is already better than Murphy.

                    Rolle, I don't know about him yet but I'm willing to bet he can't be any worse of a defender.

                    As to the 1? I don't see it being any differant than it would be with Ford - Sephenson.

                    So I am agreeing with you by way of disagreeing with you.


                    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                      Re: Let's buy 'em out

                      Originally posted by Peck View Post
                      I don't see it as ugly at the 4 spot at all. In fact I think that would be a dramatic improvement at the 4.

                      If Hans is 3/4 healed then he is already 2/3 better than Murphy is. McRoberts right now is already better than Murphy.

                      Rolle, I don't know about him yet but I'm willing to bet he can't be any worse of a defender.

                      As to the 1? I don't see it being any differant than it would be with Ford - Sephenson.

                      So I am agreeing with you by way of disagreeing with you.
                      I don't mean to be a dick...but really? Murphy isn't worth the money he makes, and he is an awful defender, but McRoberts hasn't done anything but show flashes in limited minutes.

                      This isn't addressed to you Peck, just kind of a statement in general, but it's amazing how much people negatively value Murphy for his bad defense and don't give Rush glowing reviews for his good defense.

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                        Re: Let's buy 'em out

                        This is the roster i'd like to see after this season

                        FA pg or s&t, stephenson/price
                        Rush, Dunleavy, Jones
                        Granger, Paul
                        Mcbob,Hansbourgh,Rolle
                        Hibbert, Solo or a small time FA

                        Next year all we really need are some solid backups and possibly one big FA if there are any then wait till the team develops into what i think it can be

                        I dont think mcbob is a starter so thats a tough decision if we get a pf in FA. im not big on mcbob at all
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                        • #13
                          Re: Let's buy 'em out

                          Originally posted by Pacers2012 View Post
                          This is the roster i'd like to see after this season

                          FA pg or s&t, stephenson/price
                          Rush, Dunleavy, Jones
                          Granger, Paul
                          Mcbob,Hansbourgh,Rolle
                          Hibbert, Solo or a small time FA

                          Next year all we really need are some solid backups and possibly one big FA if there are any then wait till the team develops into what i think it can be

                          I dont think mcbob is a starter so thats a tough decision if we get a pf in FA. im not big on mcbob at all
                          That lineup maybe gets them to the playoffs with the right coach but they really really need another top flight level player either at grangers level at either point guard preferably or PF

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                          • #14
                            Re: Let's buy 'em out

                            don't you guys feel like we could get some valuable assets for our expiring contracts? just a thought..
                            Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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                              Re: Let's buy 'em out

                              Originally posted by BornReady View Post
                              don't you guys feel like we could get some valuable assets for our expiring contracts? just a thought..
                              seems like 1/3rd of the league at this point is considerably under the cap. i stated this in the DC/Okafor for expirings trade proposal where we take back additional salary for one year to land a pg. however, since were likely to be awful or at least lottery bound, im okay w/ seeing the pacers select a pg then, maybe move up if need be.

                              point is, with a limited number of stud free agents for the next two offseasons, and several teams under the cap, expirings value has decreased to some extent.

                              in addition, with the powerhouse teams now being established, seems like about 5-8 teams are head and shoulders above everyone else, we either land a STUD to go with Granger which is not likely, or were gonna have revise Birds 3 year plan to a 6 years. ie. buiding through the draft with hopefully a stud or two being acquired, and also attracting one STUD free agent.

                              its likely to be 2-3 more seasons before the pacers are relevant, the good news is, if Bird builds the team wisely, were likely to contend for a decade with all the young talent.

                              anyways, to answer your question, expirings are become overrated at this point in time IMHO.

                              * edit, maybe the hawks will realize they cannot resign hofford and a trade is made in advance in exchange for murphy, not sure what hoffords deal is currently so it might not work... with that said i would presume they would just let Hofford walk, because its still the same thing in the long run, cap space, hence the reason i think expirings are overrated. unless a team would actually value murph, dun, tj to want to resign them after the contracts expire.. i dont see any percieved value.
                              Last edited by PacersPride; 07-08-2010, 12:44 AM.

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