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Anthem
07-06-2010, 09:34 PM
This was mentioned in the game thread but I think it's worth bringing out here.

If he's not better by now, can he ever get better?

xBulletproof
07-06-2010, 09:35 PM
Where's the vomit smiley when you need it?

Merz
07-06-2010, 09:35 PM
At least he is a hulk with vertigo!!

Magic P
07-06-2010, 09:36 PM
Don't worry, he's built like the Hulk.

Kegboy
07-06-2010, 09:37 PM
I don't know. There's still 3 months before training camp, but it's not encouraging. Poor guy.

Speed
07-06-2010, 09:38 PM
How long has he had it though, now? 7-8 months?

Day-V
07-06-2010, 09:39 PM
We're screwed.

BRushWithDeath
07-06-2010, 09:40 PM
I think the Pacers are thinking anything that Hansbrough can give them going forward will be a bonus.

Anthem
07-06-2010, 09:40 PM
How long has he had it though, now? 7-8 months?
Seven. Happened right before New Year's.

pacers74
07-06-2010, 09:41 PM
I think there was an article last month that said he was going to start so on the court stuff, but he had been in the weight room. It said something about bringing him along slowly.
All we can do is hope he is better in the next 3 months. I don't want another season of him sitting on the end of the bench.

Speed
07-06-2010, 09:41 PM
Why is it we can't get an update for months, but Obie mentions it in an interview at a summer league game? I mean, shouldn't a reporter or someone have called Tyler or his agent or maybe just asked Obie before now? I guess it's private, but as a fan it's frustrating.

Trader Joe
07-06-2010, 10:03 PM
Where the heck did this guy find the bacteria that clogged up his ear? Did he sleep on top of a petrie dish?

gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 10:03 PM
When will the chips fall our way again? Artest era has left us so jinxed, Im sick of it!

MillerTime
07-06-2010, 10:05 PM
We're screwed.

why are we screwed? Its not like he was our saviour

pacers74
07-06-2010, 10:06 PM
When will the chips fall our way again? Artest era has left us so jinxed, Im sick of it!


At least Lance got up twice tonight.

Trader Joe
07-06-2010, 10:10 PM
At least Lance got up twice tonight.

:twss:

Day-V
07-06-2010, 10:16 PM
why are we screwed? Its not like he was our saviour

Brain fart there. I meant to put "He's screwed." But thanks for making me feel like an idiot in the process. 'Preciate it. ;)



:D

BRushWithDeath
07-06-2010, 10:17 PM
Brain fart there. I meant to put "He's screwed." But thanks for making me feel like an idiot in the process. 'Preciate it. ;)



:D

He's not screwed either. He was able to hide it long enough to get a guaranteed contract.

AlexAustin
07-06-2010, 10:20 PM
I think its more speculation than fresh news.

gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 10:22 PM
I dont have the slightest idea when it comes to Tyler's situation, but something in my gut is telling me its not headaches or vertigo. Dunno why or what it could possibly be but Im not buying the vertigo story.

odeez
07-06-2010, 10:25 PM
Yeah man I sure hope Tyler can make it back, it isn't good news if he is still getting vertigo.

Day-V
07-06-2010, 10:25 PM
He's not screwed either. He was able to hide it long enough to get a guaranteed contract.

I truly hope you're right on this one.


But, with 80% of cases affecting one's quality of life in some form......you have to at least be extremely concerned.

BRushWithDeath
07-06-2010, 10:27 PM
I truly hope you're right on this one.


But, with 80% of cases affecting one's quality of life in some form......you have to at least be extremely concerned.

For $3.2 million over 2 years, I'd happily fall down a few times a day.

Rupert Stilinski
07-06-2010, 10:28 PM
At least Lance got up twice tonight.

I'm more concerned about this than I am about Tyler. I don't think Tyler will ever play again, and even if he does and is completely healthy, I have zero hope for him to be anything more than a small scoring spark off the bench.

Lance I think has a chance to be good, but if he isn't tougher than he acted tonight he won't be. Does anybody really think he was at all injured in either situation?

He needs to learn the difference between being hurt, and being injured. He looked like one of those sissy soccer players writhing around on the field after getting barely clipped, then jumping right back up and being fine once the referee stops paying attention.

PacerGuy
07-06-2010, 10:28 PM
Can we start asking: Insurance?

cdash
07-06-2010, 10:29 PM
Good thing we drafted an NBA ready guy like that instead of the unproven, unready Jrue Holiday. Wait...what?

I kid, but yeah, this sucks. I feel bad for the guy. Someone that competitive, it must be driving him nuts not to be out there on the court.

imawhat
07-06-2010, 10:31 PM
Had he ever stopped experiencing it? I'm not sure it's been reported that it stopped.

Day-V
07-06-2010, 10:35 PM
For $3.2 million over 2 years, I'd happily fall down a few times a day.

What does money have to do with the seriousness of an injury?

Merz
07-06-2010, 10:35 PM
At least he is a hulk with vertigo!!

<img src="http://fortressboy.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/avengers-9.jpg">

Rupert Stilinski
07-06-2010, 10:37 PM
I think its more speculation than fresh news.

Speculation by the head coach? If he doesn't know, who the hell does?

BRushWithDeath
07-06-2010, 10:38 PM
What does money have to do with the seriousness of an injury?

Your comment about it affecting the lives of 80% of the vertigo sufferers. I'm saying I would be willing to get dizzy every now and then for his salary. Perhaps I am underestimating how bad this disease can be.

It was more a failed attempt at humor than anything.

MLB007
07-06-2010, 10:40 PM
Your comment about it affecting the lives of 80% of the vertigo sufferers. I'm saying I would be willing to get dizzy every now and then for his salary. Perhaps I am underestimating how bad this disease can be.

It was more a failed attempt at humor than anything.

You are vastly underestimating it's impact. When it's bad.
Not a disease, he had an inner ear problem probably from an infection.

Day-V
07-06-2010, 10:42 PM
Your comment about it affecting the lives of 80% of the vertigo sufferers. I'm saying I would be willing to get dizzy every now and then for his salary. Perhaps I am underestimating how bad this disease can be.

It was more a failed attempt at humor than anything.

I think we just got our signals mixed up there, my bad sir.


And yeah, I'm right there with ya. I'd take a couple dizzy spells for 3.2 million bucks.

BRushWithDeath
07-06-2010, 10:42 PM
You are vastly underestimating it's impact. When it's bad.
Not a disease, he had an inner ear problem probably from an infection.

If it were bad, would he be allowed to lift weights like we've been told he has been? Wouldn't that be extremely unsafe if his condition was bad?

I admittedly know nothing about vertigo except for Lucille 2 from Arrested Development.

Justin Tyme
07-06-2010, 10:43 PM
I don't want to be negative, but I have never felt like Hansbrough will ever recover to play a productive game if ever play again.

gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 10:44 PM
helluva pick Larry.

Kuq_e_Zi91
07-06-2010, 10:47 PM
He's not screwed either. He was able to hide it long enough to get a partially guaranteed contract.

Fixed.

Here's my far-fetched theory:

Whatever serious health problems Tyler had before the draft, the Pacers knew about them. It's not a very prudent decision to draft him anyway, but I'm thinking they had hoped the issues would go away, or that he would overcome them.

Why else would the Pacers and Tyler agree to a one-of-a-kind rookie contract where only 80% is guaranteed for all four years? Both sides knew what they were getting into. The Pacers wanted some protection, and Tyler knew his issues were serious enough to warrant such a stipulation.

:tinfoil:[/]

jeffg-body
07-06-2010, 11:06 PM
I wonder if they will ever consider putting tubes in his ears. A friend of mine was going through constant recurring ear infections and when they came back each time he would have vertigo. After the tubes were put in he has been infection and vertigo free for about 1 year.

purdue101
07-06-2010, 11:27 PM
http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/archives/2010/07/obrien_talks_ab.html

JOB seems to think he'll be ok

BRushWithDeath
07-06-2010, 11:31 PM
I wonder if they will ever consider putting tubes in his ears. A friend of mine was going through constant recurring ear infections and when they came back each time he would have vertigo. After the tubes were put in he has been infection and vertigo free for about 1 year.

I would hope that they had considered every possible treatment at this point. They've had enough time.

Los Angeles
07-06-2010, 11:37 PM
http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/archives/2010/07/obrien_talks_ab.html

JOB seems to think he'll be ok

That's nice.

tadscout
07-06-2010, 11:48 PM
I'm not going to overreact with only partial information given... also JoB has said many times he's not a person to get injury updates from.

Kemo
07-06-2010, 11:51 PM
Why is it we can't get an update for months, but Obie mentions it in an interview at a summer league game? I mean, shouldn't a reporter or someone have called Tyler or his agent or maybe just asked Obie before now? I guess it's private, but as a fan it's frustrating.

I think due to doctor/patient confidentiality , is why we aren't hearing much , except occasional updates every once in awhile.. There is only so much the Pacers brass can actually say for the world to hear.. Plus there probably isn't much actual new news to actually report, except that Tyler is battling through it like a trooper , and at least working out and trying to get his body back to being able to actually play ...




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Kemo
07-06-2010, 11:57 PM
http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/archives/2010/07/obrien_talks_ab.html

JOB seems to think he'll be ok


+1

So I guess I was correct in my assumption... quoted from article at your link


The Pacers have been very hush-hush about Hansbrough's inner ear infection/concussion because of medical privacy laws.








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MillerTime
07-06-2010, 11:58 PM
Brain fart there. I meant to put "He's screwed." But thanks for making me feel like an idiot in the process. 'Preciate it. ;)



:D

lol sorrrry:buddies:

CableKC
07-07-2010, 12:03 AM
Can we start asking: Insurance?
This in some way relates to the "insurance" question....but I forgot if anyone answered this....but other then obligatory "Cuz we're cursed" answer.....why is it that this Vertigo become so pronouced and debilitating the second he put on a Pacer Uniform?

I'm guessing that he's gotten banged up going against other Big Men in College that were big....so if he was banged up...why is it different for the last year compared to the previous 4?

Bball
07-07-2010, 12:19 AM
This in some way relates to the "insurance" question....but I forgot if anyone answered this....but other then obligatory "Cuz we're cursed" answer.....why is it that this Vertigo become so pronouced and debilitating the second he put on a Pacer Uniform?

I'm guessing that he's gotten banged up going against other Big Men in College that were big....so if he was banged up...why is it different for the last year compared to the previous 4?

Just guessing...
More time between games in college?
Faster pace of NBA game?
Bigger players?
Received injury (concussion) that aggravated existing Post Concussion Syndrome?

Possibly all of the above are factors and the college game schedule left him better able to play through it while the NBA schedule and physical nature left less recuperative time and worsened the problem past the point of playing thru it.

I'm doubting there ever was an inner ear infection. That was just the initial misdiagnosis and the real issue was a concussion and/or PCS all along.

Hicks
07-07-2010, 01:41 AM
I'm more concerned about this than I am about Tyler. I don't think Tyler will ever play again, and even if he does and is completely healthy, I have zero hope for him to be anything more than a small scoring spark off the bench.

Lance I think has a chance to be good, but if he isn't tougher than he acted tonight he won't be. Does anybody really think he was at all injured in either situation?

He needs to learn the difference between being hurt, and being injured. He looked like one of those sissy soccer players writhing around on the field after getting barely clipped, then jumping right back up and being fine once the referee stops paying attention.

So is he officially Danny Granger-approved "fake tough" yet?

Naptown_Seth
07-07-2010, 02:23 AM
Good thing we drafted an NBA ready guy like that instead of the unproven, unready Jrue Holiday. Wait...what?

I kid, but yeah, this sucks. I feel bad for the guy. Someone that competitive, it must be driving him nuts not to be out there on the court.
It's really just disgusting.

What ticks me off is that I'd rather have him doing what he does so the Jrue vs Tyler case could be officially proven without the caveat of "but he got hurt".

Of course technically they drafted a guy that WAS hurt since he brought shin splints AND the concussion with him from UNC the prior season. But let's not argue and bicker about who killed who.

CableKC
07-07-2010, 03:23 AM
<img src="http://fortressboy.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/avengers-9.jpg">
MagicRat, you have to photoshop the Hulk with a Hansbrough jersey.

Unclebuck
07-07-2010, 03:47 AM
Did anyone else hear what O'Brien actually said. I did and the sense I got is that they expect him to be ready by training camp. No guarantee of course, but there has been no setbacks either. I took it as mostly positive news

CableKC
07-07-2010, 07:11 AM
UB, you're an optimist when it comes to anything from the FO. ;)

At most, I take this as a "neutral" response. If anything, it's the same response that we had before. The notion that it's still bothering him is IMHO a bad thing considering that we are a few months away from training camp.

In fact, short of finding out that he has started minimal active workouts on a regular and consistent basis ( something that I'm not sure that he has done in over a year )....the only positive news that I got out of this is that Hansbrough has been under going intense Gamma Radiation treatment that has helped him get stronger. The only problem is that in order to get stronger....he has to get angry....and apparently....we wouldn't like him if he gets angry.

This doesn't mean that I expect JO'B to have a full medical diagnosis, I'm just saying that anything short of a response that he has had minimal regular light workouts is IMHO....no news ( or pretty much the same response as normal )...and therefore no real progress.

Remember, I'm a pessimist. This means that I don't think it's a rosy as the FO paints this picture and expect a more drawn out recovery then not.

Speed
07-07-2010, 08:06 AM
....the only positive news that I got out of this is that Hansbrough has been under going intense Gamma Radiation treatment that has helped him get stronger. The only problem is that in order to get stronger....he has to get angry....and apparently....we wouldn't like him if he gets angry.



Nice work! Almost spit take worthy.

McKeyFan
07-07-2010, 08:18 AM
Did anyone else hear what O'Brien actually said. I did and the sense I got is that they expect him to be ready by training camp. No guarantee of course, but there has been no setbacks either. I took it as mostly positive news

I think the fact that he still has vertigo after six months is rather troubling.

graphic-er
07-07-2010, 08:36 AM
I don't understand why this is an issue, we already know that if Tyler gets into the game JOB will insist that he shoot the 3. He won't be doing any banging down low. The 4 spot is just another wing player in JOB's system.

Speed
07-07-2010, 08:48 AM
I hope if Tyler gets back and someone cheap shots him or give him an extra blow to the head, like has been done in the past, that he goes after them, I don't mean sucker punch someone, but I do mean go after them chest to chest and if it develop into blows, so be it.

This is to let the league know the days of popping him in the head when giving a foul are over. Or do so with reprecussions.

QuickRelease
07-07-2010, 08:55 AM
When will the chips fall our way again? Artest era has left us so jinxed, Im sick of it!:rolleyes:

QuickRelease
07-07-2010, 09:06 AM
helluva pick Larry.Dude, you can't blame Larry for an unforseen medical condition. He's a GM, not God. He was amongst the GM's that just passed on Mikhail Torrance because of a heart condition, and Dejuan Blair because of his knees. Something that befalls a player after the fact has nothing to do with draft evaluation (unless it's something they ignored during the process, which there have been no indications this was the case).

duke dynamite
07-07-2010, 09:15 AM
It's not vertigo...

http://upnextinsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/funny-sports-pictures-z-z-z-z-z-z-zombieeeeeeeeees-.jpg

BillS
07-07-2010, 09:48 AM
So, let's see what we get from all this based on the PD responses:

1) Despite specific mention and general media consensus that the problem happened after a blow to the head in an NBA game in December, this was present in his last year at UNC and through the summer league and early part of the season last year.

2) That the FO knew about #1 and was so stupid they drafted him anyway (I'm not talking about the shin splints here, I'm NOT talking about the SHIN SPLINTS here.)

3) That, in direct contradiction to how we watched Tyler play every single minute he was on the floor last year, he won't ever play that way again because JOB really only ever wanted him to shoot 3-point shots.

4) That there is vertigo and there is perfect balance, there is nothing in between. "A little bit of vertigo" means the room spins every time you blink, the same as "a lot of vertigo", not that you get a bit dizzy if you turn your head the wrong way. Never mind any experiences anyone with or who knows someone with a little bit of vertigo might have to the contrary.

5) That "we expect Tyler back for training camp" means "We already have confirmed that Tyler has had a career-ending injury and we're lying to everyone we can because we think they are too stupid to ever find out."

bellisimo
07-07-2010, 09:50 AM
just reading about all this talk about vertigo makes my head spin...

Putnam
07-07-2010, 10:03 AM
BillS is a smart guy.




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Anthem
07-07-2010, 10:18 AM
3) That, in direct contradiction to how we watched Josh McRoberts play every single minute he was on the floor last year, he won't ever play that way again because JOB really only ever wanted him to shoot 3-point shots.
Doesn't sound so silly when you change the names.

Especially since Obie and Tyler have already said that the one way they know Josh can contribute to an NBA team is his shooting.

bellisimo
07-07-2010, 10:44 AM
anyone remember any other instances where medical privacy laws kept teams from updating their fans? I just don't recall it...

thewholefnshow31
07-07-2010, 10:57 AM
anyone remember any other instances where medical privacy laws kept teams from updating their fans? I just don't recall it...

The only time I can really remember injuries being kept quiet is Marvin Harrison with the Colts. What the Pacers are saying about Tyler is the same thing about Marvin. We kept hearing that Marvin was slowly getting better and he would be back soon.

I am not going to hold my breath when it comes to seeing Tyler in a Pacers uniform ever again. Better be pleasantly surprised because he returns healthy then be thoroughly disappointed if he retires due to this.

tora tora
07-07-2010, 11:05 AM
just reading about all this talk about vertigo makes my head spin...
me too http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e151/kristopherallen/Movies/ExorcistHeadSpin.gif

MyFavMartin
07-07-2010, 11:05 AM
1. If it's concussions can Tyler borrow a helmet from Manning to play bball?

2. My thought watching the game last night was that Lance did get clipped pretty good and just needed a couple moments to shake it off on the bench and was glad to see him right back in the game. Lance definitely didn't strike me as a soccer prima donna (which I love the sport but hate that aspect of it).

3. I'm still thinking it's concussions with Tyler. See #1.

Hicks
07-07-2010, 11:14 AM
Did anyone else hear what O'Brien actually said. I did and the sense I got is that they expect him to be ready by training camp. No guarantee of course, but there has been no setbacks either. I took it as mostly positive news

I was wondering when someone would mention that.

Hicks
07-07-2010, 11:15 AM
I don't understand why this is an issue, we already know that if Tyler gets into the game JOB will insist that he shoot the 3. He won't be doing any banging down low. The 4 spot is just another wing player in JOB's system.

Yeah, just like last year where all Tyler did was chuck a bunch of threes..... :confused:

Putnam
07-07-2010, 11:25 AM
anyone remember any other instances where medical privacy laws kept teams from updating their fans? I just don't recall it...


The only time I can really remember injuries being kept quiet is Marvin Harrison with the Colts.


The privacy thing is definitely a serious factor. It is called the Health Information Portability and Accountability Act (http://www.hipaa.com/) -- HIPAA for short. and it is a big deal. The law gets revised pretty often, so it is possible that there was information shared in the past that can't be shared to the same degree now.

SMosley21
07-07-2010, 11:29 AM
When will the chips fall our way again? Artest era has left us so jinxed, Im sick of it!

Yeah Ron Artest is the cause for Tyler Hansbrough's condition. That's extremely logical.

:rolleyes:

duke dynamite
07-07-2010, 11:44 AM
BillS just replaced every member on this forum.

TooBigNdaPaint
07-07-2010, 01:03 PM
Hans should try ozone 'ear insufflaton' to kill the hidden (latent) virus that is causing his vertigo. Ozone insufflation is the only known successful method to kill bad bacteria or viruses in the body. The sooner he gets this performed....the sooner he'll eliminate this troublesome condition. As far as his concussions, he'll get 'knocked senseless' again this year because he's an undersized PF who will get 'hard fouled' by the big thugs of the NBA who are allowed to swipe at Han's arms & head (instead of the ball) for a simple foul call. These so-called NBA players know Han's history of concussions and they know it will only get worse with repeated incidental 'hits' to his head. Some of these thugs are only trying to get Han's out of the league since he's perceived as another Great White Hope type player. Don't believe me, watch how long it takes before Hans is de-brained by a cheap foul this season by one of the thuggy NBA big men. Hans frequently embarrasses these big men with his offensive skill set and they don't like being embarrassed by him. His great passion for the game of basketball is often misconstrued as something else. So, the NBA front office will need to let teams know that it will NOT tolerate any cheap shots on Hans this year (as last year when every NBA team's big man made it a point to put Hans in his place with extremely physical play and hard fouls to his upper body and head).

Psycho T
07-07-2010, 01:20 PM
He'll be fine.


It's not vertigo...

http://upnextinsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/funny-sports-pictures-z-z-z-z-z-z-zombieeeeeeeeees-.jpg

Looks like he enjoys Van Damme movies too!

BillS
07-07-2010, 01:33 PM
Doesn't sound so silly when you change the names.

Especially since Obie and Tyler have already said that the one way they know Josh can contribute to an NBA team is his shooting.

Why? It is still silly to say "will do nothing but shoot 3s" since even the evil horrible JOB-love-match Troy Murphy went into the paint more than just occasionally.

I don't object to someone saying "JOB will ask X to shoot too many 3s", I object to the constant "JOB will force X to shoot nothing but 3s".

I'm getting to the point where I simply turn off any argument that begins with "JOB always..." or "JOB never..."

McKeyFan
07-07-2010, 01:42 PM
JOB always allows players to drive to the paint as well as shoot lots of threes. JOB never dyes his sideburns.

BillS
07-07-2010, 02:40 PM
JOB always allows players to drive to the paint as well as shoot lots of threes. JOB never dyes his sideburns.

:notlisten

bphil
07-07-2010, 02:54 PM
1. If it's concussions can Tyler borrow a helmet from Manning to play bball?

I believe they're going to make him wear the HANS device (http://hansdevice.com/site/index.html).

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/08/25/automobiles/26race.jpg

Hicks
07-07-2010, 03:01 PM
Is is allowed by the NBA to wear head protection to soften the blows to the head?

At first I was thinking no, but then again, if you break your nose you're allowed that face mask, so why not a thin padded "helmet" of some kind or another if needed/wanted?

Give Tyler one of these:

http://home.moravian.edu/students/m/stsmm08/images/leatherhead_football.jpg

Putnam
07-07-2010, 03:06 PM
I don't object to someone saying "JOB will ask X to shoot too many 3s", I object to the constant "JOB will force X to shoot nothing but 3s".


Just to review: 41% of the Pacers field goal attempts were from outside the 3-pt arc. Not 100%, but only 41%.

All but 4 other NBA teams fall into the range from 35% to 41%. The Pacers shot too many 3s, probably. I think they did. But they were just at the high end of the normal range -- not outside the normal.



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BRushWithDeath
07-07-2010, 03:27 PM
Is is allowed by the NBA to wear head protection to soften the blows to the head?

At first I was thinking no, but then again, if you break your nose you're allowed that face mask, so why not a thin padded "helmet" of some kind or another if needed/wanted?



A few soccer players wear these things:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x113/pitchslap/cechhelmet.jpg

BPump33
07-07-2010, 03:29 PM
A few soccer players wear these things:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x113/pitchslap/cechhelmet.jpg

Can you imagine Tyler's crazy *ss running around in one of those? I wouldn't get in his way, that's for sure.

Rupert Stilinski
07-07-2010, 03:35 PM
Can you imagine Tyler's crazy *ss running around in one of those? I wouldn't get in his way, that's for sure.

If Tyler wears that thing I hope he never touches the floor. That's just embarrassing.

McKeyFan
07-07-2010, 04:41 PM
I like the idea. I think it would be intimidating.

Naptown_Seth
07-07-2010, 11:32 PM
Dude, you can't blame Larry for an unforseen medical condition. He's a GM, not God. He was amongst the GM's that just passed on Mikhail Torrance because of a heart condition, and Dejuan Blair because of his knees. Something that befalls a player after the fact has nothing to do with draft evaluation (unless it's something they ignored during the process, which there have been no indications this was the case).
Shin splints - kept him out of the start of the UNC season. He then played summer games after playing the rest of the UNC season too, including the march to the title. Then out of nowhere he suddenly needed to totally shut it down so much that he missed the start of the season. That's not a sudden injury, that's a consistent behavior issue and one he'd been dealing with.

Meanwhile the vertigo does have a lot of smoke around the idea that he actually had a concussion while at college that might have lingered and given him issues, and might have been aggravated with hard contact in an NBA game.




Oh by the way, everyone in the universe knew 3 things before that draft:

1) with guys like Monroe, Patterson and Sanders returning to school paired with a class of guys like Favors and Cousins, the draft this year would be loaded with PF talent

2) the draft last year was equally unbalanced toward PG talent

3) the Pacers had a severe PG situation that needed to be addressed. Ford had been benched for Jack, Jack likely would be lost, Watson wasn't signed, AJ Price wasn't grabbed in the 2nd round.

So when Jrue Holiday was just sitting there for free and got passed over for not even the most physical PF in the draft (that was Blair) when they seemed certain to have a good pick in a super PF draft class, it looks like a pretty poor decision regardless of Tyler's health or ability.

And if you weren't sure about Jrue you only had to like Lawson, Maynor or Collison instead....but you should have been certain about Jrue.

Trader Joe
07-07-2010, 11:35 PM
If Tyler wears that thing I hope he never touches the floor. That's just embarrassing.

You know why Petr Cech wears that helmet?

HC
07-07-2010, 11:38 PM
I like the Hansbrough pick, but Jrue would have been a great pick up. I guess I kind of wish we had him instead.

Naptown_Seth
07-07-2010, 11:39 PM
And BTW don't think for one second I'm rooting against Tyler. That's who Larry took so I desperately need him to prove me wrong.

I'm just PO'd because I'm pretty certain its not going to go that way.

I'll happily swallow my pride to have Tyler racking up the regular 16 and 10 night with 3-6 FG and 10-12 FTs. Plus the story of how Tyler didn't really get a shot to prove himself is a sad one. The kid at least deserves the chance to go out and make or break it on his ability alone.

Los Angeles
07-08-2010, 12:15 AM
Tyler should wear one of these.

http://hollywoodhatesme.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/hockey-mask.jpeg

Merz
07-08-2010, 12:23 AM
Or he should wrap his head in this:

<img src="http://www.packright.co.uk/media/gbu0/prodsm/bubblewrap-large.jpg">

PacersPride
07-08-2010, 12:24 AM
Shin splints - kept him out of the start of the UNC season. He then played summer games after playing the rest of the UNC season too, including the march to the title. Then out of nowhere he suddenly needed to totally shut it down so much that he missed the start of the season. That's not a sudden injury, that's a consistent behavior issue and one he'd been dealing with.

Meanwhile the vertigo does have a lot of smoke around the idea that he actually had a concussion while at college that might have lingered and given him issues, and might have been aggravated with hard contact in an NBA game.




Oh by the way, everyone in the universe knew 3 things before that draft:

1) with guys like Monroe, Patterson and Sanders returning to school paired with a class of guys like Favors and Cousins, the draft this year would be loaded with PF talent

2) the draft last year was equally unbalanced toward PG talent

3) the Pacers had a severe PG situation that needed to be addressed. Ford had been benched for Jack, Jack likely would be lost, Watson wasn't signed, AJ Price wasn't grabbed in the 2nd round.

So when Jrue Holiday was just sitting there for free and got passed over for not even the most physical PF in the draft (that was Blair) when they seemed certain to have a good pick in a super PF draft class, it looks like a pretty poor decision regardless of Tyler's health or ability.

And if you weren't sure about Jrue you only had to like Lawson, Maynor or Collison instead....but you should have been certain about Jrue.

even with a loaded PF draft this season, presuming the pacers would still have chosen 10th, they likely still would have selected George, unless your an Ed Davis fan or whatever the guys name was from UNC.

if Bird and company knew about the chronic injury issues, i would tend to agree it was a poor choice. if they were unaware, then im not really dissapointed in the drafting of Hansbrough.

well said, i hope the kid has a chance to prove himself in this league.

BornReady
07-08-2010, 12:26 AM
he should dress up in this
http://dansboys.com/Articles/Goals/What%20I%20Want%20to%20Do/Summer%202008/ironman.jpg

Rupert Stilinski
07-08-2010, 12:59 AM
You know why Petr Cech wears that helmet?

I am aware he fractured his skull. That doesn't happen often enough in basketball to wear one as a precaution.

HC
07-08-2010, 12:59 AM
Tyler should wear one of these.

http://hollywoodhatesme.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/hockey-mask.jpeg

Jim doesn't buy into nicknames.:(

McKeyFan
07-08-2010, 11:25 AM
And BTW don't think for one second I'm rooting against Tyler. That's who Larry took so I desperately need him to prove me wrong.

I'm just PO'd because I'm pretty certain its not going to go that way.

I'll happily swallow my pride to have Tyler racking up the regular 16 and 10 night with 3-6 FG and 10-12 FTs.

I know you're good for this.

I like Naptown Seth, but here's rooting for the complete crushing of your pride.


:D

judicata
07-08-2010, 11:30 AM
Shin splints - kept him out of the start of the UNC season. He then played summer games after playing the rest of the UNC season too, including the march to the title. Then out of nowhere he suddenly needed to totally shut it down so much that he missed the start of the season. That's not a sudden injury, that's a consistent behavior issue and one he'd been dealing with.

Meanwhile the vertigo does have a lot of smoke around the idea that he actually had a concussion while at college that might have lingered and given him issues, and might have been aggravated with hard contact in an NBA game.




Oh by the way, everyone in the universe knew 3 things before that draft:

1) with guys like Monroe, Patterson and Sanders returning to school paired with a class of guys like Favors and Cousins, the draft this year would be loaded with PF talent

2) the draft last year was equally unbalanced toward PG talent

3) the Pacers had a severe PG situation that needed to be addressed. Ford had been benched for Jack, Jack likely would be lost, Watson wasn't signed, AJ Price wasn't grabbed in the 2nd round.

So when Jrue Holiday was just sitting there for free and got passed over for not even the most physical PF in the draft (that was Blair) when they seemed certain to have a good pick in a super PF draft class, it looks like a pretty poor decision regardless of Tyler's health or ability.

And if you weren't sure about Jrue you only had to like Lawson, Maynor or Collison instead....but you should have been certain about Jrue.

For all the claims about Tyler's vertigo being in place while in college having smoke, you echo chamber folks sure do have **** for evidence.

And I should have been sure about a 1 and done player who played outside his natural position and produced 8 and 3?

Hindsight really is crystal clear for you.

BillS
07-08-2010, 01:07 PM
I keep trying to go back in history to show that there was by no means a consensus or even a clear majority of opinion, on PD or in the media, that the Pacers ONLY needed a PG out of the 2009 draft. A true PF - one who is physical at the basket - was high on most people's lists and at the very top for some.

Unfortunately, for whatever reason the view of history NOW is that we always knew the following:

- shin splints were clearly a career-ending injury, while lack of ACLs was nothing to be concerned about about.

- a guy who seemed to play with no vertigo in the last of the NCAA season and through the summer, plus a number of regular season games, was actually successfully hiding the fact that his head was spinning constantly.

- the Pacers' only need in the 2009 draft was a point guard, and every point guard in the 2009 draft was known from the outset to be better than any PF.

I think we need a sticky post to remind us of what the consensus reality is, so no one else wastes time going back and looking at articles or PD posts.

Putnam
07-08-2010, 01:43 PM
I think we need a sticky post to remind us of what the consensus reality is,


We need that, but the "Rose Mary Woods" system failure of last summer probably wiped away many of those threads. They may not still be around to be stickied.

There's another thing we need, too, and that is a firmer sense of uncertainty. Even the people who talk about "20-20 hindsight" don't believe it as regards their own prognostications.

Let's admit it. Seth has been right, so far, about Blair. Seth conjectured all along that Blair was the guy to take -- not Hansbrough. And so far what Seth has been saying seems true. What we all need to learn is that what we now know in retrospect was never evident at the time the draft choice was made.

Seth's guess seems, in hindsight, to have been the correct one. And he deserves credit for that. But his guess was still only a guess on draft night, 2009.

Speed
07-08-2010, 01:46 PM
Plus his TWill call, I think was right on. I really, really like him. In 2 years who knows how good he'll be.

BillS
07-08-2010, 01:49 PM
Let's admit it. Seth has been right, so far, about Blair. Seth conjectured all along that Blair was the guy to take -- not Hansbrough. And so far what Seth has been saying seems true. What we all need to learn is that what we now know in retrospect was never evident at the time the draft choice was made.

Seth's guess seems, in hindsight, to have been the correct one. And he deserves credit for that. But his guess was still only a guess on draft night, 2009.

As much as I tend to jump on Seth, he IS credible. Unfortunately, "credible" does not necessarily mean "intuitively obvious to the most casual observer", nor does it mean "always right".

We also really do NOT know (well, the PD consensus seems to "know") that Tyler's career is over or that he reached his peak the last time he was on the NBA basketball floor.

Then again, Blair was not a PG and therefore would people still be screaming about having drafted a PF in a PG heavy draft?

MLB007
07-08-2010, 02:06 PM
Shin splints - kept him out of the start of the UNC season. He then played summer games after playing the rest of the UNC season too, including the march to the title. Then out of nowhere he suddenly needed to totally shut it down so much that he missed the start of the season. That's not a sudden injury, that's a consistent behavior issue and one he'd been dealing with.

Meanwhile the vertigo does have a lot of smoke around the idea that he actually had a concussion while at college that might have lingered and given him issues, and might have been aggravated with hard contact in an NBA game.




Oh by the way, everyone in the universe knew 3 things before that draft:

1) with guys like Monroe, Patterson and Sanders returning to school paired with a class of guys like Favors and Cousins, the draft this year would be loaded with PF talent

2) the draft last year was equally unbalanced toward PG talent

3) the Pacers had a severe PG situation that needed to be addressed. Ford had been benched for Jack, Jack likely would be lost, Watson wasn't signed, AJ Price wasn't grabbed in the 2nd round.

So when Jrue Holiday was just sitting there for free and got passed over for not even the most physical PF in the draft (that was Blair) when they seemed certain to have a good pick in a super PF draft class, it looks like a pretty poor decision regardless of Tyler's health or ability.

And if you weren't sure about Jrue you only had to like Lawson, Maynor or Collison instead....but you should have been certain about Jrue.

:3deadhors:3deadhors:3deadhors:3deadhors:3deadhors

At least you are consistant. :hmm:

Anthem
07-08-2010, 03:06 PM
Then again, Blair was not a PG and therefore would people still be screaming about having drafted a PF in a PG heavy draft?
Well, Seth was pretty upfront about not wanting to draft Blair at 13. He wanted to trade back.

Hicks
07-08-2010, 03:38 PM
I keep trying to go back in history to show that there was by no means a consensus or even a clear majority of opinion, on PD or in the media, that the Pacers ONLY needed a PG out of the 2009 draft. A true PF - one who is physical at the basket - was high on most people's lists and at the very top for some.

Unfortunately, for whatever reason the view of history NOW is that we always knew the following:

- shin splints were clearly a career-ending injury, while lack of ACLs was nothing to be concerned about about.

- a guy who seemed to play with no vertigo in the last of the NCAA season and through the summer, plus a number of regular season games, was actually successfully hiding the fact that his head was spinning constantly.

- the Pacers' only need in the 2009 draft was a point guard, and every point guard in the 2009 draft was known from the outset to be better than any PF.

I think we need a sticky post to remind us of what the consensus reality is, so no one else wastes time going back and looking at articles or PD posts.

Don't forget that unless Tyler's averages are 50%, 84%, 16pt and 10reb w/ 12 FTA he's a failure.

MagicRat
07-13-2010, 11:32 AM
Mark Montieth is hosting Joe Staysniak's show on 1070 today. Said he talked to Tyler's dad last night and, while he wouldn't go into specifics, said Tyler will be fine for training camp.

Speed
07-13-2010, 11:34 AM
Mark Montieth is hosting Joe Staysniak's show on 1070 today. Said he talked to Tyler's dad last night and, while he wouldn't go into specifics, said Tyler will be fine for training camp.

I heard it too.

Miller-Time
07-13-2010, 03:43 PM
Oh wow - thats the next good news for a Pacer (refering to Hibberts knee) @ the injury-front..

This will be a good season without injuries :happydanc