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gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 02:59 AM
First off, Im almost 100% sure that this isnt the first "what if AI" thread.

Lets face it, signing him on a 1 year deal is a freeroll. I believe we'd sell tickets and offer a team that if he plays team basketball could maybe be in 2nd round of the playoffs next year. If he doesnt workout, he's put on the shelf and ruin all his credibility to sign elsewhere for the rest of his life. Also, we'd have Lance, maybe AJ, Ford or trade and land maybe our future PG before trade deadline. Theres always an Earl Watson out there anyways.

AI recently delivered a statement mentioning how his "family" problems are now solved and he's ready to finish on a good note. I sort of believe him because he must impress his next team or its over. Then after a year or whatever, let him go keep him of things did work.

I know some could argue that AI isnt a team facilitator and could possibly hold back the growth of our young players but Granger is gonna get his shots no matter what. Rush will likely get wide open looks at times and boost his confidence. I also view our team as guys Iverson could maybe bring a little confidence to.

I truly believe if someone reached out to him from our organization he see the Pacers as a wonderful start to maybe close the last 2-3 years of his career. We have great character guys around these days who could possibly get hot win 50 games in a near perfect world. Especially if LeBron abandons Cleveland.

PG- AI --TJ/Lance/Price

SG-Rush --Jones/Dunleavy

SF- Granger --George/Dun

PF- Murphy --Tyler/McBob

C-Hibbert --Foster/Rolle


Deep team if healthy and could make things interesting with a proper trade which is gonna happen, it has to. Of course consistence is the issue, but if this team got hot they can win in bunches.

Psyren
07-06-2010, 03:02 AM
Ehh, I'm about neutral on it.

I like the idea of selling tickets. He is a big money maker. Bring some spark back to the team.

But I'm afraid he'd stunt the growth of our younger players, and maybe even negatively affect Granger.

If it did happen, I'd welcome it. But I don't think it's very likely.

joew8302
07-06-2010, 03:06 AM
Well other than the fact he is stubborn, can't play defense, is a volume scorer, is volitale, is selfish, will quit, hates practice, and really can't play defense he would be a good signing.

That said I think I would pass.

tadscout
07-06-2010, 03:07 AM
:scared:

:50cent:

AI has said similar things last couple of stops... AI just never ends well, and we just can't afford that risk at all.

Also pretty sure his and JoB's relationship wasn't very good.... - Practice!?!?

aceace
07-06-2010, 03:09 AM
Indy has a Casino..... wouldn't even consider AI

Kstat
07-06-2010, 03:10 AM
I support this move %110. Team him with Rasheed Wallace and the Pacers would be unbeatable.

joew8302
07-06-2010, 03:12 AM
I support this move %110. Team him with Rasheed Wallace and the Pacers would be unbeatable.

*hits the mythical no thanks button*

gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 03:13 AM
I forgot JOB was coach of that team. Thats the best point made out of a poster.

Like I said, AI would be a FREEROLL. I dont know if you know what that means but its a free chance to either strike it rich or suffer no cost at all but a press conference. He could add an interesting dynamic if things went well. That would be something we WONT have going into the year. If he had a poor attitude, hes gone and we move on unphased with 3 pg's. I see all upside for a year long or a stressful 2 weeks if things go bad. Play him 20-25 mins tops. Easy game

Pacers2012
07-06-2010, 03:22 AM
This is highly unlikely. would be very bad for the team since he has about 3yrs left and we are about 3yrs from being a really good team in the east.

only teams that might be willing are miami, new york, or maybe houston for the sole reason that if they lose lowry then iverson might not be a bad option. Only if he starts behind brooks which is highly unlikely. Its funny running through the teams he really has slim to none options.

tadscout
07-06-2010, 03:28 AM
I forgot JOB was coach of that team. Thats the best point made out of a poster.

Like I said, AI would be a FREEROLL. I dont know if you know what that means but its a free chance to either strike it rich or suffer no cost at all but a press conference. He could add an interesting dynamic if things went well. That would be something we WONT have going into the year. If he had a poor attitude, hes gone and we move on unphased with 3 pg's. I see all upside for a year long or a stressful 2 weeks if things go bad. Play him 20-25 mins tops. Easy game

People haven't let go of the strip club stuff... you really think if it goes bad it would only be for a couple weeks?

We have 2 casino/ race tracks 30-45 min away from Indy in Anderson and Shelbyville... I don't even want to tempt him... He was supposed to be over that when he left Detroit, and look at what happened last year.

gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 03:28 AM
Its funny running through the teams he really has slim to none options. this is why I truly believe he'd play very good basketball for us and why I even bothered making this thread. His butt is on the line and if he wants one more shot with a title contender, he must prove himself to be worthy. Something like the minor leagues. But I know how most Hoosiers see things and most will not like my idea, but whatever. It would really make some much needed noise for this team at minimal cost. I mean honestly, yeh the dude has some drama but hes a hall of famer with a chip on his shoulder. Let him try here. It can only help us. The bad has no merit on our team.

gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 03:31 AM
People haven't let go of the strip club stuff... you really think if it goes bad it would only be for a couple weeks?

We have 2 casino/ race tracks 30-45 min away from Indy in Anderson and Shelbyville... I don't even want to tempt him... He was supposed to be over that when he left Detroit, and look at what happened last year. his gambling problem would be a 3 day drama at the most. Iverson isnt a gangster. He doesnt tote a criminal lifestyle. He play a small potatoes lifestyle here.

AlexAustin
07-06-2010, 03:33 AM
Very bad idea he said all the same things in Memphis leading up until he started playing and then after his first game he started complaining. His distraction hurt the Grizzlies and lead to a terrible 1-8 start that they couldn't fully overcome before running out of gas late and missing the playoffs.

Kstat
07-06-2010, 03:33 AM
his gambling problem would be a 3 day drama at the most. Iverson isnt a gangster. He doesnt tote a criminal lifestyle. He play a small potatoes lifestyle here.

A small potatoes lifestyle?

Are we talking about the same Allen Iverson?

gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 03:36 AM
Im not predicting this WILL work, Im just saying he's desperate to go out on a good note and if he did any good, that means he did well for us. He wouldnt cost a nights sleep if he failed. As of today, we're not a playoff team without him. With him playing well, I see 6th-8th seed. I want some playoff games baby!!!

oz_pacer
07-06-2010, 03:39 AM
i wouldn't hate it

tadscout
07-06-2010, 03:42 AM
his gambling problem would be a 3 day drama at the most. Iverson isnt a gangster. He doesnt tote a criminal lifestyle. He play a small potatoes lifestyle here.

:laugh: I'm sorry but him getting kicked out of the local casinos b/c he's causing a scene like he previously has would be MUCH more than a 3 day story...


Iverson, though, has been banned mostly for his boorish behavior. He is a bad loser, and he loses a lot, often throwing his chips or cards at the dealer. He has been warned about improper behavior at the tables repeatedly. He is often loud and disruptive, according to witnesses, rude to dealers, other players and the wait staff.

LINK (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/Allen-Iverson-Banned-from-Detroit-Casinos.html)

tadscout
07-06-2010, 03:44 AM
Very bad idea he said all the same things in Memphis leading up until he started playing and then after his first game he started complaining. His distraction hurt the Grizzlies and lead to a terrible 1-8 start that they couldn't fully overcome before running out of gas late and missing the playoffs.

Exactly... the Griz was in the similar situation and he said that same thing to them and he burned them very badly...

One difference between us and the Grizz we can't afford the bad media risk...

gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 03:47 AM
he's a degenerate alcoholic. Its a fact I know this. We're desperate for a PG for the time being, the playoffs, selling tickets and giving the fan base a shot in the arm. I like the gamble for us at this specific time. I know it wont be popular among others, but thats why free will exists.

Bad press. Memphis didnt miss a beat outside of him not communicating with the team for a period of time. Its not like they wouldve been any better if he didnt come along. FREEEEEEROOOOOLLLL. That team didnt care outside of a press conference or 5. They probably enjoyed the coverage. No one talks Memphis basketball ever until he showed
l

Kstat
07-06-2010, 03:50 AM
If you're desperate for a PG, why are you looking at iverson?

AlexAustin
07-06-2010, 03:55 AM
First you get suckered in.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/sep/10/allen-iverson-sets-lofty-goals-memphis-grizzlies/

Then reality hits
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/nov/16/heisley-iverson-we-want-decision-your-future-soon/

The Photos in these 2 stories tell it best!

gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 03:56 AM
If you're desperate for a PG, why are you looking at iverson? I wouldnt be upset with Lance at the 1 and AI at 2 w/e

tadscout
07-06-2010, 04:05 AM
he's a degenerate alcoholic. Its a fact I know this. We're desperate for a PG for the time being, the playoffs, selling tickets and giving the fan base a shot in the arm. I like the gamble for us at this specific time. I know it wont be popular among others, but thats why free will exists.

Bad press. Memphis didnt miss a beat outside of him not communicating with the team for a period of time. Its not like they wouldve been any better if he didnt come along. FREEEEEEROOOOOLLLL. That team didnt care outside of a press conference or 5. They probably enjoyed the coverage. No one talks Memphis basketball ever until he showed
l

You don't live in Central Indiana do you?

Because you are totally missing the point on the bad press/ how the how the franchise is seen locally and how we just can't affoard the circus that is AI.

Also Stephenson probably showed more awareness for his teammates in his 1st summer league game than AI ever did... I'd rather go a year with a experment with Stephenson at PG! :-p

Anyway :goodnight

Kuq_e_Zi91
07-06-2010, 04:12 AM
I'm a pretty big Iverson fan. Back in the day I even bought those little finger sweatbands that said AI3 on them. They were useless to play with but I loved him so I supported him.

Now, no matter how big of a fan I am, I can't deny that he's finished. At this point in his career, the risk does not outweigh the reward. What he gives you night in/night out can easily be replaced by someone more low-key, cheaper, and with more potential.

I hope he can resurrect his career, I really do. I just don't want it to be at the expense of Lance or AJ or any of our young guys. Our minutes wouldn't be well spent on AI.

Kstat
07-06-2010, 04:27 AM
I wouldnt be upset with Lance at the 1 and AI at 2 w/e

An untested 2nd rounder at the 1 and Allen Iverson at the 2? You wouldn't be upset with that?

DocHolliday
07-06-2010, 09:08 AM
I support this move %110. Team him with Rasheed Wallace and the Pacers would be unbeatable.

Yeah and I would change my avatar to A.I. and proclaim the Pacers impending dominance with his arrival by using a catchy phrase like "The Pacers now have the Answer".:stirthepo

cramerica
07-06-2010, 09:20 AM
When I read this thread title, I laughed and assumed that people were going to demolish this idea but to much to my surprise that hasn't happened.

But my answer to the question is no way in heck do I sign AI to any deal. A 1-year deal or a 10-day contract. Not going to happen and if it does I will be very disappointed. I don't want that guy close to my team whatsoever...

Slick Pinkham
07-06-2010, 09:37 AM
Let's just imagine that we can somehow put aside all of the obvious character and effort issues (a false notion, but bear with me...)

Do we need a 35-year old high-maintenence, high-volume, shoot-first, egocentric, 42% shooter at the core of our offense, a guy whose main asset was unbelieveable quickness, an asset that if Father Time has not yet fully robbed, will do so very very soon?

captainC
07-06-2010, 09:47 AM
Why don't we just sign jermaine O'neal while we are at it LOL

pwee31
07-06-2010, 09:47 AM
Well it's being said that Bird is only offering 1 year deals??????

Brad8888
07-06-2010, 10:06 AM
Sacramento might take a chance on him. That way the Maloofs could allow him to play at their casinos and recoup all of their vet minimum contract to him while taking the chance that he causes them to finally get the most ping pong balls in the lottery due to the poor chemistry that would ensue.

Oh, by the way, Larry Brown was the one that was his coach when Iverson gave his infamous, yet informative, "We talkin' bout practice" interview due to the frustration of Larry Brown with respect to Iverson's work ethic and willingness to practice. Iverson was responding to media questioning for some kind of response to Brown in the media, which AI happily obliged.

Iverson had no such problem with O'B.

Please keep Iverson away from here. He's done, and even if he somehow still has a little left he needs to be somewhere that has a strong enough personality (like wherever Lebron goes) to overshadow AI. Hey! AI could go to NY with Lebron and Amare! I like that!

SycamoreKen
07-06-2010, 10:16 AM
I don't think AI would sign with anyone but a winning team to have the chance to make a run at a title. The Lakers, Dallas, ands the Spurs might have the personalities to bring him in and keep him in check. If one of those teams doesn't take a shot at him why should anyone else? Is he even a draw at he gate anymore? Is he even relevant to the average fan?

Rupert Stilinski
07-06-2010, 10:27 AM
Is he even a draw at he gate anymore? Is he even relevant to the average fan?

This is a good question. Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but Iverson was always one of my favorite players to watch. He always amazed me with what he could do against much, much larger players. Pound for pound, I don't think I've ever seen a tougher player in the NBA. At his peak, he was blindingly quick, and everybody remembers the "killer crossover."

It might just be a generational thing, but I still would make a point to be in Conseco every night that Iverson is there, whether he is wearing blue and gold or some other uniform. Call it being sentimental or not, but I still would.

CableKC
07-06-2010, 10:49 AM
If 1 year deals is all we are offering and if the liklihood is that the only PGs that would even consider signing with us are "Rafer Alston"-like Players ( I keep on using him as an example cuz he's the only 3rd tier PG that I can think of )...then unless Watson re-signs with us....then I can tell you that I would honestly consider signing Iverson for 1 season. Not because of the "Sell tickets" thing....but because he maybe the best PG that we can get for a 1 year stint.

But I'd guess that I'd have to see the entire list of 3rd Tier PGs that are available before I really say that Iverson is the answer or not.

If anything....it's not like Iverson doesn't have a previous understanding with JO'B on what to expect of him and his system. Someone would have to refresh my memory....but at least recently...whatever Off-court issues that Iverson has had isn't because he was out partying or anything....he's had some legit off-court issues like health concerns with his daughter and some marital issues with his wife. I understand that these are off-the-court concerns none the less....but these aren't the bad "charecter" concerns that we have had in the past.

Tom White
07-06-2010, 10:57 AM
he's a degenerate alcoholic. Its a fact I know this. We're desperate for a PG for the time being, the playoffs, selling tickets and giving the fan base a shot in the arm. I like the gamble for us at this specific time. I know it wont be popular among others, but thats why free will exists.

l

We're not THAT desperate.

Justin Tyme
07-06-2010, 11:10 AM
If you are interested in AI, you might as well consider Tinsley as well since the Pacers are paying him this year anyway. Both are available, both played at Memphis last year, both did nothing at Memphis, both can't play anymore, both have had a propensity for trouble, both have too much baggage. Thanks, but I'll pass on both.

Day-V
07-06-2010, 11:46 AM
..........no thank you.

xBulletproof
07-06-2010, 02:54 PM
OK. This is ridiculous. The OP is a joke. Thank God for ignore. Ugh

Sparhawk
07-06-2010, 02:58 PM
yeah...no.

gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 02:58 PM
OK. This is ridiculous. The OP is a joke. Thank God for ignore. Ugh thats why we all have our own opinions. Others thought it wasnt a bad idea. I make a very good case for AI in my OP, no matter if you think its a good idea or not. A simple "no thanks" would do, but some of you super emo people dont even consider logic. So who am I talking to anyways? Some of you seem miserable in/at life.

BPump33
07-06-2010, 03:04 PM
thats why we all have our own opinions. Others thought it wasnt a bad idea. I make a very good case for AI in my OP, no matter if you think its a good idea or not. A simple "no thanks" would do, but some of you super emo people dont even consider logic. So who am I talking to anyways? Some of you seem miserable in/at life.

You lost me.

To the AI question, no thanks.

BRushWithDeath
07-06-2010, 03:24 PM
thats why we all have our own opinions. Others thought it wasnt a bad idea. I make a very good case for AI in my OP, no matter if you think its a good idea or not. A simple "no thanks" would do, but some of you super emo people dont even consider logic. So who am I talking to anyways? Some of you seem miserable in/at life.

Hahahahahahahaha you're already my favorite poster on this board. By far.

But to Iverson, **** no.

joeyd
07-06-2010, 03:47 PM
If we could structure a contract with a "one-strike and you're out" clause, I would be very much in favor of taking the risk of adding AI at league minimum. Otherwise, no thanks.

Sollozzo
07-06-2010, 03:49 PM
God no.

BornReady
07-06-2010, 03:52 PM
super no!..thanks :D

WoodyHayes78
07-06-2010, 05:18 PM
I thought about making this same thread but decided to save myself the ridicule.

xBulletproof
07-06-2010, 05:26 PM
some of you super emo people dont even consider logic. So who am I talking to anyways? Some of you seem miserable in/at life.

Here's the problem, everyone believes that they have solid logic. The problem is, some people don't. I'm sure David Kahn thinks he operates on great logic. I imagine does Kim Jong-il does as well.

There's absolutely no sound logic that leads the Pacers to signing Iverson. None.

It's amusing that you feel you're qualified to tell people they're miserable at life, when you've never even met them. Like a cheating spouse, I imagine the guilty one is the first one pointing the finger.

Bad joke account. Try again.

odeez
07-06-2010, 05:31 PM
No thanks, he is not what the Pacers need. If he can find a contender that he can join maybe get a chance at a ring. But at this point who would want him?

Kemo
07-06-2010, 06:31 PM
i'm not really sure.. but with having Lance , I would have to decline..

I don't want AI's egocentric /entitlement attitude side or bad habits to rub off on Lance..
That is the LAST thing we need..


I can't believe I am the first in this thread to bring that up... lol .. I should get a Thanks for that ... heh ;)





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speakout4
07-06-2010, 07:08 PM
Iverson in Indy where on weekends he can take a short ride to watch the corn grow? i don't see that.

Kuq_e_Zi91
07-06-2010, 07:13 PM
well, he'd bring a new meaning to indy cornrows. that's for sure.

PacersPride
07-06-2010, 07:52 PM
if the pacers are going to go down they might as well suck hard, at least thats what she said.

the point is.. unless iverson is the "answer" to us being a title contender then there is no reason to sign him. its a lose-lose. if he does well then we win more games and hurt our draft position. if does poorly its just another negative for the pacers.

some of you guys get peeved cause we go on a winning streak to end the season, but yet suggest this guy be signed. i havent read all the thread but it makes no since to bring him in to improve our wins by about 5-8 this season.

play the young guys and hope for lottery luck is pretty much about it for this upcoming season. unless Bird makes a big move for a pg.. but doesnt look likely.

no thanks to AI, his career is pretty burnt.

gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 08:04 PM
i'm not really sure.. but with having Lance , I would have to decline..

I don't want AI's egocentric /entitlement attitude side or bad habits to rub off on Lance..
That is the LAST thing we need..


I can't believe I am the first in this thread to bring that up... lol .. I should get a Thanks for that ... heh ;)





. this is the twisted logic Im talking about. ooooohhh lets not have him around Lance, our 2nd round pick who had one impressive summer league game. Yep Lance is the second coming of Magic, lets not let AI corrupt him. People around here were all goofy over Price at this time last year and now its Lance's chance for everyone to oohhh and ahh him. Dont get me wrong, Im all for Lance being a great PG for our team but this guy is a 2nd rounder ffs. Im not sure how many 2nd round pg's start in this league but Id guess close to ZERO!. Come on now.

gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 08:07 PM
There's absolutely no sound logic that leads the Pacers to signing Iverson. None.

It's amusing that you feel you're qualified to tell people they're miserable at life, when you've never even met them. Like a cheating spouse, I imagine the guilty one is the first one pointing the finger.

Bad joke account. Try again. Thanks for defending a poster who was initially rude to me. What I said countered his rudeness. Then you follow it up with more rudeness. Get real. Agree or disagree with my Iverson post, thats all I wanna talk about. Not some butthurt men crying about my argument.

Day-V
07-06-2010, 08:18 PM
this is the twisted logic Im talking about. ooooohhh lets not have him around Lance, our 2nd round pick who had one impressive summer league game. Yep Lance is the second coming of Magic, lets not let AI corrupt him. People around here were all goofy over Price at this time last year and now its Lance's chance for everyone to oohhh and ahh him. Dont get me wrong, Im all for Lance being a great PG for our team but this guy is a 2nd rounder ffs. Im not sure how many 2nd round pg's start in this league but Id guess close to ZERO!. Come on now.

The thing is, the dude's a 2nd rounder in part because of attitude and off-the-court issues. Issues that have hopefully been cleared up or are in the process of going away. He has the talent to be something special if he can just get his head right.

We don't to bring in a high-class citizen like AI and let him have ANY sort of affect on Lance.

xBulletproof
07-06-2010, 08:23 PM
Im not sure how many 2nd round pg's start in this league but Id guess close to ZERO!. Come on now.

Ever hear of Nick Van Exel? How about Gilbert Arenas?

Me either. For some reason they were the first 2 names to pop in my head, however.


Thanks for defending a poster who was initially rude to me. What I said countered his rudeness. Then you follow it up with more rudeness. Get real. Agree or disagree with my Iverson post, thats all I wanna talk about. Not some butthurt men crying about my argument.

:laugh:

gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 08:29 PM
Ever hear of Nick Van Exel? How about Gilbert Arenas?

Me either. For some reason they were the first 2 names to pop in my head, however.



:laugh: you got me brah! one has been retired for a decade and the other was buried on one of the most successful basketball programs at the time. Arenas is a borderline SG anyways. If it doesnt hurt your head too much, try and think of some more.

Van Exel tho.........LMAO

Day-V
07-06-2010, 08:37 PM
Arenas is a borderline SG anyways.

If we're talking about Point Guard, then in that case, the only time AI's ever played the Point the correct, effective way is during the All-Star Games.

gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 08:40 PM
If we're talking about Point Guard, then in that case, the only time AI's ever played the Point the correct, effective way is during the All-Star Games. good point.

Day-V
07-06-2010, 08:47 PM
Ive talked nothing but Pacers basketball and others chime in with rude and disrespectful comments instead of just offering reasonable counter arguments. Funny, my post you quoted is in defense of some random dude being rude to me. What are you gonna do about it anyways? Right.


Well now, let's be fair, dude. Those rude comments are not totally unwarranted. You've made some pretty egregious claims about players and the team in general, and have pretty much given off the impression that anyone who has a differing opinion from you is an idiot. I'm just sayin'.......let's not act like a defenseless victim here.

gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 08:50 PM
Ive been very obtuse and over the top. It does warrant criticism. But when someone is outright rude in their response, Im gonna comeback on them. Ive told many people they were right in their counters, but most have just took one sentence out of 4 paragraphs and jumped all over it. I mean come on, some people tried correcting me while being outright wrong. Its too funny

speakout4
07-06-2010, 08:55 PM
isn't this the time where a moderator steps in UB and says enough?

Day-V
07-06-2010, 08:55 PM
but most have just took one sentence out of 4 paragraphs and jumped all over it. I mean come on.

I understand that and I know exactly what post you're talking about. But let's be honest, when you say you're a loyal fan but then immediately afterwards state you're going to jump ship.....how are people NOT supposed to zero in on that?


But anyway, back to AI, does anyone even see him making a roster? Cause I sure don't. I mean, the one team that would take him (Memphis) has already bought that T-Shirt. I just don't see where else he'd be wanted.

xBulletproof
07-06-2010, 09:00 PM
you got me brah! one has been retired for a decade and the other was buried on one of the most successful basketball programs at the time. Arenas is a borderline SG anyways. If it doesnt hurt your head too much, try and think of some more.

Van Exel tho.........LMAO

Why is Van Exel a "LMAO"?

The guy was a 2nd round pick, an All Star and was the starting PG for teams that went deep into the playoffs. During the peak of his career had multiple 16 point, and 8 assists per game seasons.

I like how you can create your own stipulations on what players count, and which ones don't even after you've already created a filter that someone abides by. In other words, you're wrong, and just have a hard time admitting it.

**EDIT** Oh, and I forgot, as a good friend of mine was the PG for Arizona at the time, I watched almost every Arizona game during Arenas's career there. How exactly is starting, and playing most of the game, constitute buried on the bench?

gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 09:06 PM
Why is Van Exel a "LMAO"?


I like how you can create your own stipulations on what players count, and which ones don't even after you've already created a filter that someone abides by. In other words, you're wrong, and just have a hard time admitting it. I lol at Van Exel because he was around 10-12 years ago. You counter my point by mentioning just 2 relevant 2nd round pg's in the last 12 years. Both are gunners.

Did you really think that I thought there was never a 2nd round PG starting in the league in its entire history? You make it sound every draft provides a starting PG in the 2nd round. Thats how RARE it is. Then you mention 2 and think you stumped me.


Woody, who cares about anything you have to say? All youve done is insult me and havent even mentioned anything Pacers related. Keep up the good work!

***I didnt mean Arenas was buried on the bench, I meant that he was from a program loaded with talent and was overlooked. Just like Daniel Orton if he turns out to be pretty good.

xBulletproof
07-06-2010, 09:16 PM
I lol at Van Exel because he was around 10-12 years ago. You counter my point by mentioning just 2 relevant 2nd round pg's in the last 12 years. Both are gunners.

Did you really think that I thought there was never a 2nd round PG starting in the league in its entire history? You make it sound every draft provides a starting PG in the 2nd round. Thats how RARE it is. Then you mention 2 and think you stumped me.


Woody, who cares about anything you have to say? All youve done is insult me and havent even mentioned anything Pacers related. Keep up the good work!

Actually I didn't make it sound like anything at all, you did. I simply answered a question that you expected everyone to come up empty on. I suppose Mario Chalmers doesn't count either. Second rounder, and has spent most of his career so far as a starter.

That's 3 off the top of my head. Doesn't matter how far back I went, this is without even looking it up. That would mean there's obviously more to be found. I just don't need to, your point is already shot. Even if you don't like it.

What I did look up however, was Arenas. At Arizona he spent 2 years averaging 30 minutes per game. Buried on the bench, indeed. You can't even get that right.

memgrizzlies
07-06-2010, 09:21 PM
Hey guys. Grizzlies fan here. Came on here because I was watching yall's Summer League game against the Nets.

I saw this topic and I couldn't help but reply to it.

DO NOT SIGN ALLEN IVERSON!

You see what he did to us? Don't for a minute think he's changed. He said the same thing last year. Yeah, it's Allen Iverson and he's done this and he's done that in his career, but that's over. He may seem like a good pickup because he can score the ball, but it's all about him when he's on the court. He doesn't care about the win. I remember last year, he came in the game and started firing shots left and right as if his teammates were invisible. He did nothing but hinder the development of our young players. And you may say, "Well, we'll just bring him off the bench and make him our sixth man." Yeah, we tried that and all he did was ***** and complain.

So what I'm saying is do not get AI.

Y'all got a huge steal in the draft in Lance Stephenson who I think can run the point for y'all and be a franchise player like Tyreke Evans. Why would you want Allen Iverson to slow down the development of a future star?

Just wanted to give y'all my two cents from a perspective that's been there before.

gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 09:22 PM
Actually I didn't make it sound like anything at all, you did. I simply answered a question that you expected everyone to come up empty on. I suppose Mario Chalmers doesn't count either. Second rounder, and has spent most of his career so far as a starter.

That's 3 off the top of my head. Doesn't matter how far back I went, this is without even looking it up. That would mean there's obviously more to be found. I just don't need to, your point is already shot. Even if you don't like it.

What I did look up however, was Arenas. At Arizona he spent 2 years averaging 30 minutes per game. Buried on the bench, indeed. You can't even get that right.
I never said Arenas was buried on the bench, I said that he was from a program loaded with talent and was overlooked. Just like Daniel Orton if he turns out to be pretty good. My point isnt "shot". 2nd rounders almost never develop into good pg's. You brought up 3 guys who were starters at point from the 2nd round. 2 were scorers>than distributors and Chalmers probably wont be a starter for much longer, hes not good. Ask the Heat fans. 3 guys in the last 15 years. None have rings and played for teams who never won much with them at the point. Thats why I say, 2nd round draft picks dont produce pg's. Im still right.

xBulletproof
07-06-2010, 09:29 PM
I never said Arenas was buried on the bench, I said that he was from a program loaded with talent and was overlooked. Just like Daniel Orton if he turns out to be pretty good. My point isnt "shot". 2nd rounders almost never develop into good pg's. You brought up 3 guys who were starters at point from the 2nd round. 2 were scorers>than distributors and Chalmers probably wont be a starter for much longer, hes not good. Ask the Heat. 3 guys in the last 15 years. None have rings and played for teams who never won much with them at the point. Thats why I say, 2nd round draft picks dont produce pg's. Im still right.

Yes, because you keep on creating stipulations that will help you feel correct. I'm sure you'll continue to always be right, for the rest of your life. :rolleyes:

Yeah, going to ignore. Like debating with a brick wall.

R3B0W
07-06-2010, 09:32 PM
I love the idea!

beast23
07-06-2010, 10:56 PM
Even if Iverson could be signed to the league minimum, let alone the veteran's minimum for his years of experience, I would NOT want anything to do with him.

There is way too much bad history, including some pretty bogus accusations from Iverson regarding Indy and its fans. As far as I'm concerned, his visiting Indy 1-2 times per season is more than enough for me.

gopacers1179
07-06-2010, 11:09 PM
Even if Iverson could be signed to the league minimum, let alone the veteran's minimum for his years of experience, I would NOT want anything to do with him.

There is way too much bad history, including some pretty bogus accusations from Iverson regarding Indy and its fans. As far as I'm concerned, his visiting Indy 1-2 times per season is more than enough for me. I def understand you not wanting him in a Pacers uniform but those racial slurs did happen from the front row years ago in the playoffs.

PacersPride
07-06-2010, 11:28 PM
isn't this the time where a moderator steps in UB and says enough?

Agreed. dude is taking some of the fun out of these forums.

Noodle
07-07-2010, 12:12 AM
I wouldn't have wanted Iverson at any point of his professional career. He is the quintessential anti-team player. The Pacers definitely do not need an old washed up version at all. I would call it absolute foolishness.

tsm612
07-07-2010, 12:16 AM
quit crying and be a man. you emo people on here need to chill out. Its a Pacers forum where opinion is welcome. Get a life if this really bothers you. If you dont like my opinion ignore me and my threads. That simple. Hell, you just joined this forum and you cry that much? LOL. SMFD!

Opinions are welcome, but it's hard to get your opinion out of your posts when you refuse to communicate in an intelligent manner. Exhibit A: this post. You can disagree with people all you want, but you should at least try to be adult enough to respect other people's opinions. Nothing emo about wanting that, because these types of posts make the conversation combative. The reason people come here is for the intelligent, respectful conversations that are becoming extremely rare everywhere else online.

gopacers1179
07-07-2010, 12:19 AM
Opinions are welcome, but it's hard to get your opinion out of your posts when you refuse to communicate in an intelligent manner. Exhibit A: this post. You can disagree with people all you want, but you should at least try to be adult enough to respect other people's opinions. Nothing emo about wanting that, because these types of posts make the conversation combative. The reason people come here is for the intelligent, respectful conversations that are becoming extremely rare everywhere else online. reread the F posts. I never attacked anyone who didnt talk *** to me. That dk keeps saying how much he hates my posts. Some of these guys are talking *** about my views. No one is being resepctful to my opinions. Theyre talkin *** constantly. Reread the F thread and youll see. Look at all my posts, all pacer related. Then some emo cry babies disagree and insult me. I insult back. If you cant see that than God help you. Theres like 5 guys on here that respond to my posts with nothing Pacer related. Where are you at then Mr Post Police?

Day-V
07-07-2010, 12:23 AM
That dk keeps saying how much he hates my posts.

Can you blame him? Like tsm said, you've been very combative in your short time here. That'll rub quite a few people the wrong way.




I wouldn't have wanted Iverson at any point of his professional career. He is the quintessential anti-team player. The Pacers definitely do not need an old washed up version at all. I would call it absolute foolishness.

Idk about that. I'm sure had he been on a roster like that 1999-2000 Pacers team, he'd have been more than happy to pass the ball to guys like Reggie, Jalen, Croshere, and Smooth. I mean, you've seen him in All Star games, he became a regular *****ing John Stockton at times. He is unselfish when he has talent around him. He just simply never had much talent with him in Philly.


And that is all just my humble opinion.

Noodle
07-07-2010, 12:27 AM
reread the F posts. I never attacked anyone who didnt talk *** to me. That dk keeps saying how much he hates my posts.

Ok, dude I'm sorry. I always assume new members will learn to be respectful with their literary tone, and I always give them time to come around. But, dude you seriously need to be using the internet to look the word diplomatic, and then place the adjective before the man in the mirror and ask if it fits. If it doesn't then you should correct it if you intend to remain a part of this group of up standing Pacer fans. I'm telling you this for you own good. Don't sweat it.

ksuttonjr76
07-07-2010, 12:27 AM
I like him as a player, but I really don't see any real benefit other than cashing in on his name. If we were already a playoff team, then I would consider it. Otherwise, there's not a NEED for him given Indiana's current makeup.

gopacers1179
07-07-2010, 12:30 AM
Can you blame him? Like tsm said, you've been very combative in your short time here. That'll rub quite a few people the wrong way.
if you dont like my hardcore Pacers evaluations, ignore them and move on. My style isnt for everyone so people need to quit taken things so serious and whining about things Ive said like "Fred Jones sucks". People have actually went nuts with me saying that. LOL amateur hour around here.

Day-V
07-07-2010, 12:33 AM
if you dont like my hardcore Pacers evaluations, ignore them and move on. My style isnt for everyone so people need to quit taken things so serious and whining about things Ive said like "Fred Jones sucks". People have actually went nuts with me saying that. LOL amateur hour around here.

Do we have a facepalm emoticon?


EDIT: Oh yeah, Duh.
:picard:

gopacers1179
07-07-2010, 12:33 AM
Ok, dude I'm sorry. I always assume new members will learn to be respectful with their literary tone, and I always give them time to come around. But, dude you seriously need to be using the internet to look the word diplomatic, and then place the adjective before the man in the mirror and ask if it fits. If it doesn't then you should correct it if you intend to remain a part of this group of up standing Pacer fans. I'm telling you this for you own good. Don't sweat it. this is a fair post. But if youre trying to tell me most or even half the members here have a strong grip on reality I must disagree. Ive seen quite a few very intelligent members but alot of people here are stone cold stupid and have no sound logic. They just disagree and berate you. Thats unless I bring out my Pacer pom poms and pretend this is a perfect organization. Thanks for the post tho.

tsm612
07-07-2010, 12:34 AM
reread the F posts. I never attacked anyone who didnt talk *** to me. That dk keeps saying how much he hates my posts. Some of these guys are talking *** about my views. No one is being resepctful to my opinions. Theyre talkin *** constantly. Reread the F thread and youll see. Look at all my posts, all pacer related. Then some emo cry babies disagree and insult me. I insult back. If you cant see that than God help you. Theres like 5 guys on here that respond to my posts with nothing Pacer related. Where are you at then Mr Post Police?

This is my point. I wasn't trying to insult you, and this is an overreaction and really defensive. If someone criticizes your post, they're talking s***. If they don't like the way you insult them, they're emo. You admit that you're over the top, but that's what comes off as rude. IMHO, you should consider toning that down. A lot of your posts are sarcastic and rude, mocking people who have different opinions. I agree that some of the things others said probably shouldn't have been said, but they were also posting in response to the general tone of the majority of your posts.

gopacers1179
07-07-2010, 12:37 AM
yeh its all my fault my first post here was 4 paragraphs of truth in the Pacers organization. The first handful of replies went stupid insulting me on one sentence in 4 paragraphs. Im done with this bs. Im just gonna keep rolling my opinion and if some dont like, they know what they can kiss.

And TS, that wasnt a reaction to you personally. Theres just been people who've came along and pile on when they read one of my posts defending myself to people stupid criticism without reading the whole story. Most people have been confronting me initially and I respond with alot of sarcasm. EZ game

Noodle
07-07-2010, 12:39 AM
Pacers1179. Sell me on Iverson.

gopacers1179
07-07-2010, 12:44 AM
Pacers1179. Sell me on Iverson. my op says it all. I really dont have anymore to add. Im not saying he's a must have, but def worth consideration. I believe upside>downside adding him for a year.

Everyone has a right to disagree and I have no problem with someone not seeing eye to eye with me. But alot have disagreed and then insult me. I comeback and some random person just reads my comeback without seeing whole story. But Ive had a blast so far. I just imagine half these guys are the idiots whove been calling sports talk radio saying the dumb *** most guys do on there.

Its not like someone said, no I wouldnt want Iverson here and I go nuts on them saying theyre wrong. Its been the exact opposite.

beast23
07-07-2010, 12:47 AM
I def understand you not wanting him in a Pacers uniform but those racial slurs did happen from the front row years ago in the playoffs.Let me recap for you.

Late in a playoff game Iverson flipped off fans behind his bench that had been razzing him the entire game. Iverson later stated that his jesture was given in response to racial slurs that he had endured throughout the game.

An investigation was held during which the vast majority of fans sitting in the area were tracked down and questioned. This group of Pacer fans included several African Americans, some of whom were well-known business owners in the community. Although many questioned stated that racial slurs were common place years before at Pacer games, everyone questioned stated that to their knowledge there were no racial slurs that could be heard during the game.

Other behaviors from Iverson through the years have also caused me to question his character.

Sorry, but I have no use for Mr. Iverson.

Give Me A Break Larry!!!!
07-07-2010, 12:48 AM
how about NO!

gopacers1179
07-07-2010, 12:48 AM
beast I had no idea about the depth of that story. I knew the surface only. Thanks

Day-V
07-07-2010, 12:50 AM
how about NO!

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Noodle
07-07-2010, 12:51 AM
Im not saying he's a must have, but def worth consideration. I believe upside>downside adding him for a year.

What is exactly the upsides?

gopacers1179
07-07-2010, 12:52 AM
day, give it up. Youve lurked here with your smartas comments for long enough. cmon kid

gopacers1179
07-07-2010, 12:53 AM
What is exactly the upsides?

First off, Im almost 100% sure that this isnt the first "what if AI" thread.

Lets face it, signing him on a 1 year deal is a freeroll. I believe we'd sell tickets and offer a team that if he plays team basketball could maybe be in 2nd round of the playoffs next year. If he doesnt workout, he's put on the shelf and ruin all his credibility to sign elsewhere for the rest of his life. Also, we'd have Lance, maybe AJ, Ford or trade and land maybe our future PG before trade deadline. Theres always an Earl Watson out there anyways.

AI recently delivered a statement mentioning how his "family" problems are now solved and he's ready to finish on a good note. I sort of believe him because he must impress his next team or its over. Then after a year or whatever, let him go keep him of things did work.

I know some could argue that AI isnt a team facilitator and could possibly hold back the growth of our young players but Granger is gonna get his shots no matter what. Rush will likely get wide open looks at times and boost his confidence. I also view our team as guys Iverson could maybe bring a little confidence to.

I truly believe if someone reached out to him from our organization he see the Pacers as a wonderful start to maybe close the last 2-3 years of his career. We have great character guys around these days who could possibly get hot win 50 games in a near perfect world. Especially if LeBron abandons Cleveland.

PG- AI --TJ/Lance/Price

SG-Rush --Jones/Dunleavy

SF- Granger --George/Dun

PF- Murphy --Tyler/McBob

C-Hibbert --Foster/Rolle


Deep team if healthy and could make things interesting with a proper trade which is gonna happen, it has to. Of course consistence is the issue, but if this team got hot they can win in bunches.


just imo

tsm612
07-07-2010, 12:57 AM
my op says it all. I really dont have anymore to add. Im not saying he's a must have, but def worth consideration. I believe upside>downside adding him for a year.

Everyone has a right to disagree and I have no problem with someone not seeing eye to eye with me. But alot have disagreed and then insult me. I comeback and some random person just reads my comeback without seeing whole story. But Ive had a blast so far. I just imagine half these guys are the idiots whove been calling sports talk radio saying the dumb *** most guys do on there.

Its not like someone said, no I wouldnt want Iverson here and I go nuts on them saying theyre wrong. Its been the exact opposite.

I've read every one of your posts, in this thread, and in your first thread. I thought that was obvious, considering I even said others made comments that shouldn't have been made. All I was doing was giving you my opinion about the general tone of your posts. What I really don't understand is why this was made in response to someone asking you to sell them on Iverson. It would be best to just let it go. Again, I'm not trying to insult you or start anything. I'm just giving my opinion.

Noodle
07-07-2010, 01:01 AM
OK, if he works out then we are left with a old Iverson that will never be resigned. We need players that can be here for the next 5-8 yrs. The only thing that makes sense for the team is the ticket sales, but outside of that this team has had enough negative attention, so the cons ultimately out weighs the pros. I don't think at this point of his career, his skills are still good enough to help us win.

Day-V
07-07-2010, 01:05 AM
The only thing that makes sense for the team is the ticket sales

While I DO get that angle, I do. I still come back to this.......You know what else helps ticket sales? Winning.


And I just don't see Iverson coming in here and helping us in that crucial aspect.

tsm612
07-07-2010, 01:12 AM
While I DO get that angle, I do. I still come back to this.......You know what else helps ticket sales? Winning.


And I just don't see Iverson coming in here and helping us in that crucial aspect.

My biggest issue with it is that Bird and Morway have worked so hard to clean up the Pacers' image problem, that signing a big name, short term player with baggage would be an expensive set back. Obviously, it would be great to have that kind of talent on the roster. I just don't think he's the kind of player you go after when you are in rebuilding mode after having your own image problems.

gopacers1179
07-07-2010, 01:13 AM
I totally agree with the last 2 by Day and Emcee posts regarding AI here in Indy. You could very well be right and the odds I must agree are better with your assessment over mine. I just wanna do it because I believe in this specific situation to play out well for all parties.

And TS, that quote you highlighted wasnt directed at anyone in particular, just stating that I noticed this pattern a bit. I was never referring to the member I was speaking to at the time. I went off base for a sec I guess.

another thing re Iverson. Its been years now since the Pacers have been in trouble. I think they have a clean slate again. Our problems are gone and you hear more about us building a white team more than anything these days

beast23
07-07-2010, 01:14 AM
When it comes to Iverson, I will always attack him first on character. I've done that, so now let me offer an obvious reason why he is not a good fit for the Pacers.

Throughout his career, Iverson is a player who absolutely dominates the ball. That is counterproductive to developing our young players and it is in total disagreement with how JOB expects his players to play the game. His method of play is dependent on pushing the ball, which Iverson could do. Unfortunately, quickly moving the ball in the half-court is not something Iverson has ever been willing to do.

I believe that his being a major component of the team would yield signficantly more long-term damage than short-term good. And consequently, as long as JOB is coach, his acquisition would never happen.

pizza guy
07-07-2010, 01:18 AM
I've read every one of your posts, in this thread, and in your first thread. I thought that was obvious, considering I even said others made comments that shouldn't have been made. All I was doing was giving you my opinion about the general tone of your posts. What I really don't understand is why this was made in response to someone asking you to sell them on Iverson. It would be best to just let it go. Again, I'm not trying to insult you or start anything. I'm just giving my opinion.

tsm, I've agreed with everything you've said, and especially the bolded part. 1179 isn't going to have a sudden epiphany and agree with you, apologize, and forever change his posting ways. So, we'll have to just let it go, maybe use the ignore feature if it grates on you too much, and wait for him to get kicked off PD or until we all adjust to each other.

1179, I like the points you bring to the board, and it's obvious that you know what you're talking about. That said, those of us who don't always agree are not emo crybabies, and there is no place for name calling on this board. That's not complaining, that's simply PD rules. Often, your tone can be abrasive, but as I said, your basketball posts are solid and worth reading.

As far as Iverson goes, I'm going to pass on this deal. He'd sell tickets for the first month of the season. Just until everyone realizes that his tank is empty. That dude was an incredibly talented ball player who left everything on the court. But now, that's exactly the problem. Everything has been left on the court, and there's no more to bring. I would've actually gone for this a few years ago when we had a "sign AI" thread that discussed pairing him with JO. The argument then was too much "knucklehead" on one team. Now, I would argue that while AI has matured as a person and player, I believe, he still carries that reputation. TPTB have worked to clear the air and make a team of nice guys the fans can like. Adding AI to this team would be like the one bad apple that ruins the bunch, in the public eye.

Did I mention that AI is over the hill?

--pizza

gopacers1179
07-07-2010, 01:21 AM
very true beast. All you said was money. However, Granger is still gonna get 15-20 shots, Rush could land more open looks due to opposing teams D strategy. Hibbert could focus more on attacking the rim for offensive rebounds and then hopefully the rest can blend in. I dont see this team as of today either making the playoffs or bad enough to get a top 10 pick.

I do understand its not all about position at the end of the year with this team, its all about individual growth as a valuable member of a team. I feel this team could do something a little amazing if things played out well if Iverson played responsible basketball with us. Give him 24-28 mins a game and still work your youngen pg's on the roster.

Just a thought

Kemo
07-07-2010, 01:27 AM
yeh its all my fault my first post here was 4 paragraphs of truth in the Pacers organization. The first handful of replies went stupid insulting me on one sentence in 4 paragraphs. Im done with this bs. Im just gonna keep rolling my opinion and if some dont like, they know what they can kiss.

And TS, that wasnt a reaction to you personally. Theres just been people who've came along and pile on when they read one of my posts defending myself to people stupid criticism without reading the whole story. Most people have been confronting me initially and I respond with alot of sarcasm. EZ game

While I can understand where you are coming from man..

The best advice I can give you , if you should choose to take it my friend , is to just let it go ..

This is just the internet .. Where opinions are like a$$holes , everyone has one.. some stink a little more than others.. .

But in the end ... life is too short and there are much MUCH more important things to worry about...(oil disaster and etc.).... than mere petty words typed on an internet forum by someone you will probably NEVER meet in real life ......

Sometimes people p*$$ me off too ... on here and other forums as well..

Everyone has bad days and may type something out of anger or frustration... $h*t Happens...

Alot of the same people I have had disagreements/squabbles with in the past, end up being cool by me the next day ..

The bad thing about typing on the internet , is that it is hard/impossible to get across CONTEXT and facial expressions/intent of those posting ..

Just let it go , continue to do your thang , tomorrow is a new day ..

Peace
Kemo..



.

gopacers1179
07-07-2010, 01:30 AM
and wait for him to get kicked off PD or until we all adjust to each other.
--pizza Im cool with your post. Ill adjust my views but Im gonna stay consistent on saying how I feel about the Pacers organization. Ill say the good was good and the bad was bad with the same style.

I dont know if you know this all the way, but theres been some way uncool responses from nowhere from people because they dont believe a view of mine. Ive also said some uncool stuff in return no doubt. Its a forum about the Pacers and they were my everything in the 90's and Im gonna have fun with this and sort of say what I want by staying inside the law as best as possible.

I do have a feeling tho tbh, you're right. Ill probably get banned here soon for pissing off a dozen or two folks. All in the game, Ill be ok lol. GL

tsm612
07-07-2010, 01:30 AM
another thing re Iverson. Its been years now since the Pacers have been in trouble. I think they have a clean slate again. Our problems are gone and you hear more about us building a white team more than anything these days

True, but most casual fans think we still have "thugs". Though, I'm not sure if we should really care what they think. They don't care about the Pacers right now because they're still high on the Colts' success. I bet if the Pacers started winning again, they probably wouldn't care who was on the roster.

gopacers1179
07-07-2010, 01:38 AM
They don't care about the Pacers right now because they're still high on the Colts' success. I bet if the Pacers started winning again, they probably wouldn't care who was on the roster. Im with this lol. I have family and extended family who was all about high fives and Pacers flags for their cars in the 90s and early 00's, now theyre all about Colts and pretending that the Pacers never mattered. It drives me insane and I tell them harshly. I love the Colts, but Pacers are my team forever. I even like football more than basketball. Just something about the Pacers that was so special 91-00.

pizza guy
07-07-2010, 01:45 AM
Im cool with your post. Ill adjust my views but Im gonna stay consistent on saying how I feel about the Pacers organization. Ill say the good was good and the bad was bad with the same style.

I dont know if you know this all the way, but theres been some way uncool responses from nowhere from people because they dont believe a view of mine. Ive also said some uncool stuff in return no doubt. Its a forum about the Pacers and they were my everything in the 90's and Im gonna have fun with this and sort of say what I want by staying inside the law as best as possible.

I do have a feeling tho tbh, you're right. Ill probably get banned here soon for pissing off a dozen or two folks. All in the game, Ill be ok lol. GL

We're all cool with calling the good as good and the bad as bad. I skipped a couple posts, but I caught most of it. The ugly stuff is a waste of time to read, so I skim til I find real Pacers discussion. Which, this thread has returned to, thankfully.

Kemo was spot on in his reply. Let it go, it's the interwebz. Although, with the PD Forum Parties we have periodically, a lot of us do get to meet each other. So, you'll want to stay on Peck's good side, cuz I'm pretty sure he can take any of us. Seth is incredibly threatening in person. ;) And, UncleBuck always bring a drill to the parties so we know who he is...don't get on his bad side.

LoL -- this place is a lot of fun, a little :box: , but we can all resolve our issues with a little :buddies: and move on.

Still a "no" to Iverson, though. ;)

--pizza

*Disclaimer: Certain portions of this post pertaining to certain members may or may not be truthful, but probably not.

ilive4sports
07-07-2010, 02:01 AM
this is a fair post. But if youre trying to tell me most or even half the members here have a strong grip on reality I must disagree. Ive seen quite a few very intelligent members but alot of people here are stone cold stupid and have no sound logic. They just disagree and berate you. Thats unless I bring out my Pacer pom poms and pretend this is a perfect organization. Thanks for the post tho.

Just want to say that when a new member comes on here and says there are a lot of stupid people here, it won't go over well. You do bring up good topics that can lead to good discussion, but sometimes the way you react to someone who disagrees seems combative. Your last few posts do seem like your understanding what has been said though so I don't think you will get banned. Sure you may disagree with many here, but that won't get you banned. Its always good to have someone who will bring up the other side so we can have a better perspective on the topic.

As for AI, I just don't see why we should do this. At this point in his career I don't see him selling tickets. He's washed up, everyone knows this. Also he has character issues, something Pacers fans are not fond of.

On the court he doesn't fit. I don't see him being a team player here because he will feel like he is the second best or best player here. He has no respect for anyone on this team except for Granger most likely. As a player he is best with the ball in his hands. Quite frankly we need better ball movement (and better player movement, but thats a different thread). I think AI would clash with this. I also rather see our younger guys get those 20-25 mins. I am impressed with Lance and you know what, AJ still looked good at the end of the season. I think it would be more important getting those two minutes at the PG spot than bringing in Iverson. This year is going to be like last year most likely. Barring a trade for a legit PG, we will probably end up either the eighth seed in the weak East or just outside the playoffs if Dunleavy comes back strong and all our young guys continue to improve. Adding Iverson really won't change that.

Hicks
07-07-2010, 02:02 PM
My apologies for not getting to this sooner.

Hicks
07-07-2010, 02:04 PM
Hey guys. Grizzlies fan here. Came on here because I was watching yall's Summer League game against the Nets.

I saw this topic and I couldn't help but reply to it.

DO NOT SIGN ALLEN IVERSON!

You see what he did to us? Don't for a minute think he's changed. He said the same thing last year. Yeah, it's Allen Iverson and he's done this and he's done that in his career, but that's over. He may seem like a good pickup because he can score the ball, but it's all about him when he's on the court. He doesn't care about the win. I remember last year, he came in the game and started firing shots left and right as if his teammates were invisible. He did nothing but hinder the development of our young players. And you may say, "Well, we'll just bring him off the bench and make him our sixth man." Yeah, we tried that and all he did was ***** and complain.

So what I'm saying is do not get AI.

Y'all got a huge steal in the draft in Lance Stephenson who I think can run the point for y'all and be a franchise player like Tyreke Evans. Why would you want Allen Iverson to slow down the development of a future star?

Just wanted to give y'all my two cents from a perspective that's been there before.

I also wanted this post to get its due since I neglected it earlier as well. Thanks for sharing!