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pacers74
07-04-2010, 11:00 PM
First game is Tommorrow at 3pm on NBA TV. Brighthouse just put NBA TV on about 6 months ago. I am excited. I am off work and will be watching.
We play Orlando tommorrow with Daniel Orton and Stanley Roberts being their top rookies on the team. Our lineup should be something like:

PG: Stephenson
SG: Marcus Williams or Marcus landry
SF: George
PF: McRoberts
C: Rolle

It will be nice to see how Stephenson plays and if Rolle is a good as the coaches think.

Psyren
07-04-2010, 11:07 PM
I'm excited to see Rolle as well.

The coaches have been making me think he's something special, so tomorrow I can't wait to see if it's actually true.

joew8302
07-04-2010, 11:09 PM
Anyone have a link where those of us who wish to watch could purchase the game online?

Thanks.

pacers74
07-04-2010, 11:12 PM
Here is Orlando's roster:

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=600 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#17306c>No.</TD><TD bgColor=#17306c>Player</TD><TD bgColor=#17306c>Pos.</TD><TD bgColor=#17306c>Ht.</TD><TD bgColor=#17306c>Wt.</TD><TD bgColor=#17306c>Birthdate</TD><TD bgColor=#17306c>College/Last Team</TD></TR><TR><TD>5</TD><TD>Jeff Adrien</TD><TD>PF</TD><TD>6'7</TD><TD>243</TD><TD>2/10/86</TD><TD>Connecticut/Leche Rio Breogan Lugo (Spain)</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#cccccc>10</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>Joe Crawford</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>G</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>6'5</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>210</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>6/17/86</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>Kentucky/Los Angeles D-Fenders</TD></TR><TR><TD>40</TD><TD>Paul Davis</TD><TD>C</TD><TD>6'11</TD><TD>270</TD><TD>6/21/84</TD><TD>Michigan State/Maine Red Claws (NBDL)</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#cccccc>24</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>Patrick Ewing Jr.</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>F</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>6'8</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>240</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>5/20/84</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>Georgetown/Reno Big Horns (NBDL)</TD></TR><TR><TD>23</TD><TD>Trey Gilder</TD><TD>F</TD><TD>6'9</TD><TD>185</TD><TD>1/24/85</TD><TD>Northwestern State/Albuquerque Thunderbirds (NBDL)</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#cccccc>35</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>Yaroslav Korolev</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>F</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>6'9</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>225</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>5/7/87</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>Reno Bighorns (NBDL)</TD></TR><TR><TD>34</TD><TD>Ben McCauley</TD><TD>F/C</TD><TD>6'9</TD><TD>237</TD><TD>9/6/87</TD><TD>N.C. State/Strasbourg IG (France)</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#cccccc>43</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>Daniel Orton</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>C</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>6'10</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>255</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>8/6/90</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>Kentucky</TD></TR><TR><TD>1</TD><TD>Jerome Randle</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>5'10</TD><TD>172</TD><TD>5/21/87</TD><TD>California</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#cccccc>25</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>Stanley Robinson</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>F</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>6'9</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>210</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>7/14/88</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>Connecticut</TD></TR><TR><TD>4</TD><TD>Sean Singletary</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>6-0</TD><TD>185</TD><TD>9/6/85</TD><TD>Virginia/Caja Laboral Vitoria (Spain)</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#cccccc>45</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>Vladimir Stimac</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>C</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>6'10</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>255</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>8/25/87</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>KK Crvena Zvezda Beograd (Serbia)</TD></TR><TR><TD>3</TD><TD>Curtis Stinson</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>6'3</TD><TD>215</TD><TD>2/15/83</TD><TD>Iowa State/Iowa Energy (NBDL)</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#cccccc>11</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>Donell Taylor</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>G</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>6'5</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>215</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>7/26/82</TD><TD bgColor=#cccccc>UAB/Idaho Stampede (NBDL)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

http://www.nba.com/magic/OPSL_2010_rosters.html

Other than the 2 rookies, the only names that standout our Singletary and Adrien. Singletary was a stud at Virginia. He was a big time scorer. I guess his game did not translate to the NBA, at least not yet. I remember Ardien, but not as much. He was an under sized tough PF from UConn.

pacers74
07-04-2010, 11:15 PM
Anyone have a link where those of us who wish to watch could purchase the game online?

Thanks.


http://www.nba.com/summerleaguebroadband/

Sookie
07-04-2010, 11:24 PM
Other than the 2 rookies, the only names that standout our Singletary and Adrien. Singletary was a stud at Virginia. He was a big time scorer. I guess his game did not translate to the NBA, at least not yet. I remember Ardien, but not as much. He was an under sized tough PF from UConn.

Adrien is a poor man's Blair.

Honestly, I didn't think he could make it in the NBA, until I saw how successful Blair was. If Blair is capable of doing what he did, Adrien should be able to make a roster.

pacers74
07-04-2010, 11:29 PM
Orlando already has Brandon Bass as their undersized PF. Maybe Adrien can impress on of the ohter GM's and get invited to their pre season camp. Bass also doesn't play much maybe adrien can beat him out.

odeez
07-04-2010, 11:34 PM
Very excited to see the new guys play tomorrow. I know it's Summer League, but I am still excited! Enjoy the game and have a great 4th!

stevo
07-04-2010, 11:40 PM
Has anyone streamed NBA tv or NBA live on their PS3? I thought about paying the $14.99 for the summer league if I could get it on the PS3. Watching it on the 50" plasma makes it worth it imo.
Thanks

Infinite MAN_force
07-04-2010, 11:48 PM
Wish I had NBA tv. ****.

Cactus Jax
07-04-2010, 11:48 PM
Ah a Yaroslav Korolev sighting, one of the unspeakable draft picks ahead of Danny Granger, imagine the Clips with Granger instead of him lol.

MaHa3000
07-05-2010, 12:05 AM
I just upgraded my Dish network so I could watch summer league. Man, my wife was p.o.'ed.:happydanc

MillerTime
07-05-2010, 12:18 AM
Ra[s TV has it

2minutes twowa
07-05-2010, 02:16 AM
I'm excited to see more of Thomas Heurtel. I watched the scrimmage video on nba.com and really liked his energy. He pushes the ball and is a great passer. It will be good to see how he does against other summer league talent.

BornReady
07-05-2010, 02:23 AM
for those of you who watch it, would you mind keeping those of us who dont have nba tv updated? itd be GREATLY appreciated :)

jeffg-body
07-05-2010, 02:51 AM
Remember this is summer league.

El Pacero
07-05-2010, 03:28 AM
Remember this is summer league.

Yes it is... and I've been waiting for this since the season was over.

Go Summer League!

pacers74
07-05-2010, 04:35 AM
Remember this is summer league.

It's all we got and we get to see Born Ready.:dance:

Marlin
07-05-2010, 06:07 AM
Is Stephenson playing or he's still sidelined?

McKeyFan
07-05-2010, 07:57 AM
Is this first game July 5 or 6?

wintermute
07-05-2010, 08:37 AM
mike wells with a pretty exhaustive breakdown of the summer team from new lead assistant frank vogel:

http://www.indystar.com/article/20100705/SPORTS04/7050313/1088/SPORTS04/Summer-school-now-in-session



The Indiana Pacers open the five-day Orlando, Fla., summer league this afternoon against the Magic after four days of practice at Conseco Fieldhouse.

Josh McRoberts and rookies Paul George, Lance Stephenson and Magnum Rolle will be the focal points this week.

Frank Vogel, who is Jim O'Brien's new lead assistant, is making his head coaching debut in Orlando. O'Brien, president Larry Bird and general manager David Morway will be in the stands monitoring the progress of the players.

Vogel breaks down what the Pacers are looking for from each player this week.

Vogel on McRoberts: "We're looking to grow his space-the-floor game. We're going to look to run a lot of pick-and-pops with him. He's shooting 500 3s a day one-on-zero. One of the primary reasons we're asking him to play is so he can get game 3s. You can't become a great 3-point shooter if you don't do it in games.

"There's not a lot of NBA pick-up ball being played this time of year. Right now, this is the best basketball he can play to improve.

"That's the No. 1 thing he's looking to do, to transform his game the way (Phoenix's) Channing Frye transformed his game, from a non-3-point shooter to a knockdown 3-point shooter."

Vogel on Stephenson: "We think Stephenson is going to be great in pick-and-roll, great in the open court. We think he can be a point guard.

"We're putting him in that situation as much as possible to evaluate him and to teach him. He needs to improve -- just because he's not used to it -- running a team concept.
"If we're running plays that aren't his play, just making sure he's delivering the ball to guys on time and getting us into the right set.

"Almost daily we're impressed with his playmaking ability, not just looking to score, but finding the right man and making the right reads."

Vogel on George: "He's got versatility. We're trying to post him, we're trying to encourage him to get himself as many 3-point line catches as he can so he can be a brutal closeout guy, much like Danny (Granger) has become.

"Danny, the year he went from 14 points a game to 19 points a game, we didn't run a play for him the whole year. It was almost exclusively on just being a shooter and forcing long closeouts and being a driver. We're trying to get George to have that part of his game."

Vogel on Rolle: "We're seeing what we have in Magnum. We've been so pleasantly surprised in him that we didn't think we were going to get much of a post game. He can post some now. We didn't think he was going to be a great shooter. He's knocked down almost every midrange shot that he's taken.

"Of course, just watching him work on the defensive glass, the offensive glass and blocking shots, it's all things we knew he could do. We just want him to do it in the context of our scheme."

Vogel on Vogel: "I'm trying to grow as a coach. It's a tremendous difference being a guy that watches practice and interjects with guys on the sideline or a quick 10-second points here and there; or maybe have a segment of a drill.

"It's a big difference in doing that and running the whole show. Coming up with a practice plan, implementing an entire scheme and system that you can go to battle with in a game where you're going to encounter every situation.

"You have six practices to get an entire scheme in. Coach O'Brien will advise me if he sees something I can do better. But he hasn't done that much. He has a lot of trust in me, but he'll correct me if I need to be corrected."

Kegboy
07-05-2010, 09:31 AM
Those comments about McBeard make me want to puke. When I was crying my eyes out at Reggie's last game, I never thought that in 5 years I'd be wishing the 3-point line would just ****ing go away.

Anyway, note that Turner-Favors is the undercard at 1pm. First chance for all you non-college watchers to see 'em.

pacersgroningen
07-05-2010, 09:44 AM
Indeed, comments about McBob are terrible. We don't want Troy Murphy 2.0!

Chuck Chillout
07-05-2010, 10:21 AM
McRoberts becomes a much more complete, dangerous player if he develops a reliable 3 pt. shot.

His handle, play-making, and exceptional finishing ability all become consistent weapons in his arsenal on close-outs. The coaching staff is wanting him to play to his strengths.

wintermute
07-05-2010, 10:34 AM
McRoberts becomes a much more complete, dangerous player if he develops a reliable 3 pt. shot.

His handle, play-making, and exceptional finishing ability all become consistent weapons in his arsenal on close-outs. The coaching staff is wanting him to play to his strengths.

i agree with this. we all want mcbob to become another dale davis, but the truth is his skills look a lot more suitable for a perimeter player than a post player. acquiring low post skills would also be useful for him, true, but he's shown little signs of having a low post game - not in indiana nor in portland.

fortunately for mcbob, stretch 4's are in vogue right now, and coach obie in particular loves them.


Indeed, comments about McBob are terrible. We don't want Troy Murphy 2.0!

troy murphy with better athleticism and better defense and not paid $12m per year? wouldn't upset me all that much if it happens.

owl
07-05-2010, 10:46 AM
troy murphy with better athleticism and better defense and not paid $12m per year? wouldn't upset me all that much if it happens.


So true. The biggest gripe people have with Murphy is what he is paid for what he does, and his defense is really bad. Josh is a much better defender and if he can provide passing and offense that is a win for the Pacers.

lil lebowsky
07-05-2010, 10:56 AM
Those comments about McBeard make me want to puke. When I was crying my eyes out at Reggie's last game, I never thought that in 5 years I'd be wishing the 3-point line would just ****ing go away.

Anyway, note that Turner-Favors is the undercard at 1pm. First chance for all you non-college watchers to see 'em.

Haha, no kidding man. The 3 point shot has made me lose hours of sleep with this squad the last couple years. I wish that we would understand or make corrections mid game. Like if we're 3 for 18, maybe coach can tell the team to drive the ball a little more and try to draw some fouls, rather than hoisting it up more from 3 land. I've never seen a coach so infatuated with this aspect of the game like Jim O'Brien is. I guess it would be different if we had some lights out shooters like our 2000 Finals team had with Mullin, Miller, Perkins, Best, and Rose was pretty good too, but with Granger and Murphy being the only decent shooters on the team, i guess i don't understand the need for everyone to develop the 3 shot like Obie does. If you want to shoot that many 3's a game, then make minor changes to your roster and bring in a specialist or get a p.g. that can shoot, cuz T.J. and Earl can't. Just a thought.

lil lebowsky
07-05-2010, 11:04 AM
Thanks for the heads up on this thread. I've got the game DVR'd now. I remember last year i was unable to catch any summer league games. If anyone does not have NBA TV, it's a cool channel, and i enjoy it more this time of year rather than when the season starts. The summer league games are really cool, and it looks like Orlando has a pretty good squad. I always like summer games because there's a lot of former college basketball talent out on the court that just never made it to the league, but they're good enough to play Pro ball somewhere. On Orlando, Jeff Adrien and Curtis Stinson were fantastic college players, Randle from Cal was one of the best p.g.'s in college last year too, and Pat Ewing Jr. is a high flyer on the break. I like their squad. Randle is a nice pick up for them, and if nobody has watched him play he is a great shooter and very fast, the only problem with him is he's about 5'10". I was hoping the Pacers would try to get in him in camp.

count55
07-05-2010, 11:09 AM
Let me ask you these questions:

If Troy Murphy - the offensive player - was more athletic and could play defense, would you still hate him?

If Jim O'Brien trains McBob to be a proficient 3-point shooter, then gives him the playing time that allows him to utilize both the athleticism and defensive ability that so many believe he has, then should we hate McBob? Has O'Brien "ruined" him?

Is Murphy a bad defender without any kind of physical presence because he shoots 3-pointers? If the only thing that makes Troy Murphy, well, Troy Murphy his three point shooting, then why don't we admire him? He is a very good three-point shooter.

Am I to understand that the only difference between Troy Murphy and Josh McRoberts is that Troy shoots threes and Josh McRoberts doesn't? If that's the case, then doesn't that definitively prove that McRoberts is the lesser player?

Should we retroactively hold Sam Perkins in contempt, because he took a higher percentage of his shots from beyond the arc - both as a Pacer (48%) and as a Sonic (42%) - than Troy has under O'Brien (41%)?

If McRoberts is the player you believe he is, athletically and defensively, then how does adding a 3 point shot hurt him?

Hicks
07-05-2010, 11:13 AM
Remember this is summer league.

Ahh, the skeptics' playground. Where the players they don't like either confirm they suck or merely delay confirmation. :devil:

BRushWithDeath
07-05-2010, 11:13 AM
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If Jim O'Brien trains McBob to be a proficient 3-point shooter, then gives him the playing time that allows him to utilize both the athleticism and defensive ability that so many believe he has, then should we hate McBob? Has O'Brien "ruined" him?



If he could shoot the three as well as Troy Murphy without sacrificing the other points of his game, he'd immediately be the best player on the team.

I just don't see him making such a enormous leap in that area.

Hicks
07-05-2010, 11:16 AM
McRoberts becomes a much more complete, dangerous player if he develops a reliable 3 pt. shot.

His handle, play-making, and exceptional finishing ability all become consistent weapons in his arsenal on close-outs. The coaching staff is wanting him to play to his strengths.

I almost agree with you, but my beef is this: Why the 3-ball? (Well, I know the answer to that, but theoretically speaking) Why not have him work on an 18-footer or 15-footer instead? Why is the mid range game just ignored (it feels like)?

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 11:26 AM
In case any of your are interested Gordon Hayward plays at 1PM!

count55
07-05-2010, 11:40 AM
I almost agree with you, but my beef is this: Why the 3-ball? (Well, I know the answer to that, but theoretically speaking) Why not have him work on an 18-footer or 15-footer instead? Why is the mid range game just ignored (it feels like)?

The mathematical reason is here:

http://hoopdata.com/teamshotlocs.aspx

But even that's a bit simplistic.

Ultimately, it's not necessarily easier to shoot from the mid range than it is to shoot a three. If you're alone in a gym, it is. If you on the floor with 9 other very large human beings - not so much.

Which is the other basic issue: the relative size and speed of the players on the court has made the court effectively smaller. The greater the geography the defense has to cover, the more holes it creates.

Hibbert, in a particular, would benefit from an almost extreme spacing of the floor. He is a skilled post player, but his moves are very deliberate, and he's not a strong finisher at the rim. He needs protection on his strong side from diggers and doubles, because his moves are relatively slow developing and more finesse, than power in nature. He needs protection on the weakside, because he doesn't play above the rim and susceptible to even smaller players getting help-out blocks if they're athletic enough. Being able to force the defense to stay home in as broad of an alignment as possible allows both time for Roy to operate and space for cutters to get to the rim.

dal9
07-05-2010, 12:16 PM
mike wells with a pretty exhaustive breakdown of the summer team from new lead assistant frank vogel:



http://www.indystar.com/article/20100705/SPORTS04/7050313/1088/SPORTS04/Summer-school-now-in-session


"Danny, the year he went from 14 points a game to 19 points a game, we didn't run a play for him the whole year"




vogel should be fired for saying this publicly, and o'brien should be fired for not running any plays*.



*OK: edit per count55: "o'brien should be fired for not running any plays for our best player"

count55
07-05-2010, 12:27 PM
vogel should be fired for saying this publicly,

Why?


and o'brien should be fired for not running any plays.

Of course, that's not what Vogel said. He said they ran no plays for Danny.

Brad8888
07-05-2010, 12:41 PM
The mathematical reason is here:

http://hoopdata.com/teamshotlocs.aspx

But even that's a bit simplistic.

Ultimately, it's not necessarily easier to shoot from the mid range than it is to shoot a three. If you're alone in a gym, it is. If you on the floor with 9 other very large human beings - not so much.

Which is the other basic issue: the relative size and speed of the players on the court has made the court effectively smaller. The greater the geography the defense has to cover, the more holes it creates.

Hibbert, in a particular, would benefit from an almost extreme spacing of the floor. He is a skilled post player, but his moves are very deliberate, and he's not a strong finisher at the rim. He needs protection on his strong side from diggers and doubles, because his moves are relatively slow developing and more finesse, than power in nature. He needs protection on the weakside, because he doesn't play above the rim and susceptible to even smaller players getting help-out blocks if they're athletic enough. Being able to force the defense to stay home in as broad of an alignment as possible allows both time for Roy to operate and space for cutters to get to the rim.

So, why not create spacing with better ball and player movement with purpose instead of playing players away from their positions of strength?

Also, why not hire a big man coach who can teach Hibbert to have the footwork and positioning required to give him the additional leverage needed to function as a low post threat despite contact, which disrupts him at even relatively low intensity level at this point? Then, he would no longer require as much protection as he does, and that would open up the midrange game as well as the O'B bombs to where they would be moderately effective.

Also, isn't it more likely that Roy can both gain strength and proficiency at his natural position with proper coaching than a player like McRoberts (or any other big that O'B may decide to play out of position on both ends of the floor, thereby reducing their overall effectiveness) to become anything more than another Austin Croshere, who didn't pan out anywhere close to what he was supposed to be?

Regarding your other post where you referred to Smooth turning into a three point bomber, he shot a set shot. A set shot (I added this for emphasis). He had lost a good deal of his athleticism at that point in his career, despite still being crafty enough on the interior to overcome his issues, and large enough to lean on slower centers and disrupt their games defensively on occasion. To even throw Smooth into this discussion is a little weird for me. There is no one currently on the roster who bears any resemblance to Smooth, any more than there is anyone who bears any resemblance to Dale Davis or Mark Jackson or Chris Mullin or Reggie Miller.

wintermute
07-05-2010, 12:48 PM
*OK: edit per count55: "o'brien should be fired for not running any plays for our best player"

vogel said that was during the year danny went from 14 ppg to 19 ppg, i.e. 07-08, when dunleavy was arguably our best player and danny was just moving out of role player mode. that was 2 years ago.

presumably that's what we want out of george this year - scoring mostly off kickouts, and not having to create his shot.

Brad8888
07-05-2010, 12:54 PM
Why?



Of course, that's not what Vogel said. He said they ran no plays for Danny.

They ran 3 (!) different basic plays for the entire team:

1) The dribble penetration for score / with optional kickout to the arc for a 3 (!)

2) The pass around the horn to primarily stationary perimeter guys to either take a 3 (!) or drive into the sagging defense for either a shot or another kickout to the arc for a 3 (!)

3 (!) ) The dribble penetration on the break with a kickout to either a wing or the trailing T-Murda for 3 (!)

As an afterthought, there were a few plays that involved Roy, but that was what got Conner run out of town.

They never had to identify Danny as a specific player on any set plays. The only player they probably ran any consistent plays for was Troy. They just had to tell Danny that when he got the ball that his primary function was to somehow create a shot opportunity despite being injured for a good portion of the year until the end, and that limited Danny to shooting more 3's than ever because of his inability to drive effectively.

So, Vogel spoke correctly, but only on the technicality that pretty much nobody had plays called for them as individual players except Troy.

dal9
07-05-2010, 12:57 PM
^ OK, but we are not saying that this is good right?

Hicks
07-05-2010, 01:01 PM
The bad news: Same camera angle. The good news: 1080i this time. So much nicer.

imawhat
07-05-2010, 01:12 PM
It's the Gerald Henderson show. Ajinca and Koufos (sp) are progressing, but have a way to go.

No players standing out yet.

imawhat
07-05-2010, 01:16 PM
If McRoberts is the player you believe he is, athletically and defensively, then how does adding a 3 point shot hurt him?

The same way adding a post game to Steve Nash hurts him. It takes him away from the things he does well, and it sends the wrong message about his game.

For ****s sake, Josh will never be a good three point shooter.

Hicks
07-05-2010, 01:17 PM
Shawne's in. Wearing #1.

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 01:19 PM
Unfortunatey Hayward got dunked on via alley oop.....

dal9
07-05-2010, 01:20 PM
Williams made a shot!
Bird's draft pick vindicated!
I demand we bring him back immediately!

purdue101
07-05-2010, 01:20 PM
Gerald Henderson looks very comfortable out there - he's in complete control of the game with his scoring and passing. Ajinca is enourmous - I never realized how large he was. He's still very raw though. Hayward looks completely lost out there - touched the ball maybe twice. Shawne Williams looks slightly out of shape, but is actually playing well. No doubt he has talent.

Coop
07-05-2010, 01:22 PM
I caved and paid for the broadband. So far, it seems like Ajinca has really improved. Gerald Henderson has been solid and Shawne hit a step back 20 footer with a hand in his face off the bench.

pacers74
07-05-2010, 01:23 PM
I would rather not have McRoberts shoot the three very much. If he has it in his arsinal and can be a tghreat to shoot three's thans that is not a bad thing. If he turns into Murphy 2.0 I will be upset. I love the high energy, dive on the floor, do anything for the team McBob.

DrFife
07-05-2010, 01:25 PM
Keep the comments rollin', fellas (& gals). Greatly appreciated! :applaud:

pacers74
07-05-2010, 01:28 PM
I just turned on the game. Pargo looks good. Shawne Williams????

pacers74
07-05-2010, 01:29 PM
I wish they would wear better jerseys. I was having trouble which team was which.

xBulletproof
07-05-2010, 01:29 PM
Shawne blocked that shot like a guy in his back yard with his son.

lol

imawhat
07-05-2010, 01:31 PM
Shawne looks better here than he did in the '08 summer league. There's no doubt he has the talent. He is purely an instinctive basketball player. It drives me insane, how much talent he's throwing away.

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 01:31 PM
Gerald Henderson looks very comfortable out there - he's in complete control of the game with his scoring and passing. Ajinca is enourmous - I never realized how large he was. He's still very raw though. Hayward looks completely lost out there - touched the ball maybe twice. Shawne Williams looks slightly out of shape, but is actually playing well. No doubt he has talent.

Well in defense of Hayward, the entire team seems to be playing away from him at the moment. They are trying to make the team and impress the coaches this first game for sure, they really dont' have any motivation to pass it to Hayward. It will be interesting to see when Sloan brings him back in the 2nd qtr.
He did get beat terribly on that back door cut. That is normally a pass he steals.

Chuck Chillout
07-05-2010, 01:32 PM
I would rather not have McRoberts shoot the three very much. If he has it in his arsinal and can be a tghreat to shoot three's thans that is not a bad thing. If he turns into Murphy 2.0 I will be upset. I love the high energy, dive on the floor, do anything for the team McBob.

We've seen enough of Josh to hope he can be so much more than that.

His dunks weren't the only highlight reel material that stood out to me last season- he made some really crafty passes as well. And one of his strengths has always been his ability to handle the ball for his size.

He's not a poor shooter now, and he's only 23 with a very strong desire to get better, by all accounts. No reason to try to pin him down to being like Varajao or Admundson (both solid players, I know) if he has more skill to his game.

Anthem
07-05-2010, 01:34 PM
Let me ask you these questions:

If Troy Murphy - the offensive player - was more athletic and could play defense, would you still hate him?

If Jim O'Brien trains McBob to be a proficient 3-point shooter, then gives him the playing time that allows him to utilize both the athleticism and defensive ability that so many believe he has, then should we hate McBob? Has O'Brien "ruined" him?
Obie is training an athletic hustle player to stand flat-footed at the top of the key waiting for somebody to pass him the ball. He's already turned Troy Murphy into Steve Kerr, and now he's trying to do the same to McBob.

Troy actually has the ability to put the ball on the floor very well. We've seen him very effective at this... staying near the free throw line, faking a shot, then driving for the hoop. I still had issues with his defense, but I loved that Troy Murphy on offense. The three was an occasional weapon, not his only move. But that guy is long gone.


Should we retroactively hold Sam Perkins in contempt, because he took a higher percentage of his shots from beyond the arc - both as a Pacer (48%) and as a Sonic (42%) - than Troy has under O'Brien (41%)?
Our coach and GM never claimed that Sam was the best or most effective player on the team. Sam used the 3 as an occasional weapon... that's fine for the big guy who's the team's fifth option. Less so when he's the second option.


If McRoberts is the player you believe he is, athletically and defensively, then how does adding a 3 point shot hurt him?
Opportunity cost, dude. It's not going to hurt him to be a better shooter. Every player in the NBA could stand to be a better shooter. But that's not the best thing for Josh to be working on, and it's certainly not the thing most people would say is the thing he needs to get more PT. I mean, Roy could spend the summer working on his dribbling... would that make him a less effective player? Of course not. But that doesn't mean it's a good use of his time, since in any rational coach's system that's not going to be the thing holding him back.

xBulletproof
07-05-2010, 01:36 PM
Well in defense of Hayward, the entire team seems to be playing away from him at the moment. They are trying to make the team and impress the coaches this first game for sure, they really dont' have any motivation to pass it to Hayward. It will be interesting to see when Sloan brings him back in the 2nd qtr.
He did get beat terribly on that back door cut. That is normally a pass he steals.

I see you're getting used to making excuses for him, I believe it's a trend that will continue for a long while. No idea why people believe this guy will be a successful NBA player. Best case scenario for him from me, is as a fringe rotation player. Maybe 10-15 minutes a game at his peak. I just don't see it. At all.

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 01:37 PM
hayward back in

Gamble1
07-05-2010, 01:38 PM
The same way adding a post game to Steve Nash hurts him. It takes him away from the things he does well, and it sends the wrong message about his game.

For ****s sake, Josh will never be a good three point shooter.
IMO adding anything to Josh's offensive game would be a great benefit to the team.

Plan and simple. Josh will not be "the go to" inside presence when Hibbert is on the court. He needs to space the court for Hibbert if he wants to be the starting pf on this team. Same goes for Hans.

Coop
07-05-2010, 01:38 PM
I don't think Henderson has missed a shot yet. 10 points with just under 7 minutes to go in the 2nd.

pacers74
07-05-2010, 01:39 PM
Hayward looks lost.

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 01:39 PM
Hayward with the free throws

Anthem
07-05-2010, 01:40 PM
The same way adding a post game to Steve Nash hurts him. It takes him away from the things he does well, and it sends the wrong message about his game.
Heh. I was about to use a similar analogy instead of Roy.


For ****s sake, Josh will never be a good three point shooter.
Oh, I don't know. I could see him becoming a high-percentage shooter. I just don't like what it's likely to do to the rest of his game.

Anthem
07-05-2010, 01:42 PM
I wish they would wear better jerseys. I was having trouble which team was which.
Blue and white... it's not like they blend into each other.

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 01:48 PM
Hayward takes the contact there. Nails the free throws.

I would like to just see him knock down a jumper with somebody in his face.

pwee31
07-05-2010, 01:48 PM
Henderson does look good and confident... even though it's summer league. Wish Rush was that comfortable and confident.

I like Derrick Brown as well on the Bobcats.

Hayward does seem a little overwhelmed. The team isn't really looking to him much, but when he has had the ball he seems a little too excited with his jab steps and pump fakes. Hopefully he'll calm a bit

pacers74
07-05-2010, 01:49 PM
Blue and white... it's not like they blend into each other.

I had just turned it on. I didn't know who was wearing which teams ws blue and which was white. They weren't doing any close ups.

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 01:50 PM
Alright Hayward!

pacers74
07-05-2010, 01:50 PM
Hayward scores his first basket.

pacers74
07-05-2010, 01:51 PM
If Sherron Collisons was 2 or 3 inches taller he would have been drafted. He has an NBA body and looks good handling the ball, but he is only 5'10".

Hicks
07-05-2010, 01:52 PM
Right. It's not about telling the two apart, it's about being able to turn on the TV and actually identify either team right away.

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 01:57 PM
nice rebound by hayward

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 01:58 PM
Hayward starting to come alive on the rebounds

pacers74
07-05-2010, 02:02 PM
Sherron Collisons just took it the from end to end and made a lay up over about 4 guys. Nice.

BornReady
07-05-2010, 02:08 PM
lol graphic-er is probably the biggest Hayward advocate in thid world

edit: I don't mean that in a bad way by any means, please do continue to root for your man :) I'm enjoying it

focused444
07-05-2010, 02:25 PM
I'm enjoying the much more professional announcers this year. Let's face it, if I'm watching the NBA summer league the least they can do is have some announcers with a decent amount of knowledge, and information like these guys.

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 02:27 PM
lol graphic-er is probably the biggest Hayward advocate in thid world

edit: I don't mean that in a bad way by any means, please do continue to root for your man :) I'm enjoying it

I'm just giving updates on the player I wanted to see this summer league outside of our own team. I think most people who can't see the games appreciate it being that he is a hometown guy.

But it must be said that I don't think "he looks lost". Its clear they are playing him like the 3rd option or something, they have been having him spot up down in the corner for much of the offense, and most of his teammates are just gunning it when they get the chance. He has made the team already so they don't have much reason to try and go to him.

Anthem
07-05-2010, 02:29 PM
Henderson's numbers aren't great, but he sure looks like the kind of guy who should be getting minutes with the Bobcats.

imawhat
07-05-2010, 02:33 PM
see below....

dal9
07-05-2010, 02:36 PM
He has made the team already so they don't have much reason to try and go to him.


Actually, if you are being strategic in trying to make a team, and you had to pass to someone wouldn't you pass to the guy who already made the team, than to a guy who is competing with you for the 15th spot?

Rupert Stilinski
07-05-2010, 02:37 PM
Actually, if you are being strategic in trying to make a team, and you had to pass to someone wouldn't you pass to the guy who already made the team, than to a guy who is competing with you for the 15th spot?

I've watched enough summer league games over the years to know that pretty much nobody passes unless all other options have been completely exhausted.

imawhat
07-05-2010, 02:38 PM
Oh, I don't know. I could see him becoming a high-percentage shooter. I just don't like what it's likely to do to the rest of his game.

He's spent the past three offseasons working on a jumpshot that has shown 0% improvement. It's like watching Shaq shoot free throws.

It's fundamentally flawed in so many ways I wouldn't know where to begin. We have great shooting coaches, he's putting in the work, etc., and the level 1 fundamentals have not changed.

You cannot consistently hit a three pointer with a flat shot off of your palm. A 10 footer is different, but not a three.

It is not going to improve. Imo it should be a sticky, or in the faq because it shouldn't be debatable (again, just my opinion).

dal9
07-05-2010, 02:39 PM
He's spent the past three offseasons working on a jumpshot that has shown 0% improvement. It's fundamentally flawed in multiple ways.

It is not going to improve. Imo, it should be a sticky, or in the faq. It's a certainty.


this is mcbobbers? i thought his shot looked OK last year. his numbers are nothing to write home about, but they are better than they were the year before (which, admittedly, is not saying much since he shot 0-10 in 08-09)

xBulletproof
07-05-2010, 02:40 PM
He's spent the past three offseasons working on a jumpshot that has shown 0% improvement. It's fundamentally flawed in multiple ways.

It is not going to improve. Imo, it should be a sticky, or in the faq. It's a certainty.

Are you at every practice? I'm very confused at how someone could be sure of 0% improvement when a guy hasn't played much to show one way or the other.

2 years ago he didn't even play here, and only took 10 shots. How can you tell how good of a jumper he has? 2 years ago he took 83 shots in very little playing time. You're telling me you can tell improvement in a jump shot in such small sample sizes?

I'm sorry, I'm calling shenanigans. You're just making assumptions, and trying to pass them off as fact.

imawhat
07-05-2010, 02:42 PM
I don't have to be at practice. He has the same mechanics he had two years ago. I don't know why this is being questioned? I can pull out the tapes to prove it.

Rupert Stilinski
07-05-2010, 02:44 PM
He's spent the past three offseasons working on a jumpshot that has shown 0% improvement. It's like watching Shaq shoot free throws.

It's fundamentally flawed in so many ways I wouldn't know where to begin. We have great shooting coaches, he's putting in the work, etc., and the level 1 fundamentals have not changed.

You cannot consistently hit a three pointer with a flat shot off of your palm. A 10 footer is different, but not a three.

It is not going to improve. Imo it should be a sticky, or in the faq because it shouldn't be debatable (again, just my opinion).

I hate the idea of JOB forcing McRoberts to turn into Murphy, just as much as the next guy, but I don't know how you can say his shot won't improve. Form matters, but not nearly as much as you are claiming. You can shoot with the worst form imaginable, but if you get up enough shots and practice enough you can still improve it immensely. Immediately I think of a guy like Shawn Marion. His shot is, by all accounts, hideous, but he did improve over the course of his career.

Anthem
07-05-2010, 02:45 PM
He's spent the past three offseasons working on a jumpshot that has shown 0% improvement. It's like watching Shaq shoot free throws.

It's fundamentally flawed in so many ways I wouldn't know where to begin. We have great shooting coaches, he's putting in the work, etc., and the level 1 fundamentals have not changed.

You cannot consistently hit a three pointer with a flat shot off of your palm. A 10 footer is different, but not a three.

It is not going to improve. Imo it should be a sticky, or in the faq because it shouldn't be debatable (again, just my opinion).
Josh shot 35% from 3 last year. That's better than Kobe.

dal9
07-05-2010, 02:45 PM
alright 15 mins to tip off

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Sookie
07-05-2010, 02:45 PM
No dante and galante :(

Rupert Stilinski
07-05-2010, 02:46 PM
I don't have to be at practice. He has the same mechanics he had two years ago. I don't know why this is being questioned? I can pull out the tapes to prove it.

In my opinion, it's being questioned because several of us think your line of thinking is fundamentally flawed.

dal9
07-05-2010, 02:47 PM
actually, for summer league this version is more appropriate


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BornReady
07-05-2010, 02:48 PM
Josh shot 35% from 3 last year. That's better than Kobe.

thats pretty bad comparison imo :/

Rupert Stilinski
07-05-2010, 02:51 PM
thats pretty bad comparison imo :/

I don't believe his point was to compare, but to instead take away the fact that he shot a more than serviceable percentage behind the arc. Not a percentage so terrible that it should lead to the conclusion that his developing a solid three point shot is completely impossible.

Anthem
07-05-2010, 02:54 PM
I don't believe his point was to compare, but to instead take away the fact that he shot a more than serviceable percentage behind the arc. Not a percentage so terrible that it should lead to the conclusion that his developing a solid three point shot is completely impossible.
I originally was going to show that his percentages are already better than McCarty's, but decided to go for the gold.

imawhat
07-05-2010, 02:55 PM
I hate the idea of JOB forcing McRoberts to turn into Murphy, just as much as the next guy, but I don't know how you can say his shot won't improve. Form matters, but not nearly as much as you are claiming. You can shoot with the worst form imaginable, but if you get up enough shots and practice enough you can still improve it immensely. Immediately I think of a guy like Shawn Marion. His shot is, by all accounts, hideous, but he did improve over the course of his career.


Shawn Marion had a weird form but it wasn't flawed. He still got arch and lift on his jump shots, two things that are crucial to hitting perimeter shots.



Josh shot 35% from 3 last year. That's better than Kobe.

If Josh shoots 35% or better from 3 this year, I'll write an apology to Josh and our coaching staff and personally walk it from California to Indiana.

*edit*-I digress. This shouldn't be about Josh's shooting. I'm a huge Josh McRoberts fan and I want to see him succeed.

These next 5 minutes can't pass fast enough. I'm ready to see our game.

dal9
07-05-2010, 03:00 PM
If Josh shoots 35% or better from 3 this year, I'll write an apology to Josh and our coaching staff and personally walk it from California to Indiana.


Let's file this one away for future reference!

What if goes like 2/5 in the first game and snaps an acl?

Anthem
07-05-2010, 03:00 PM
If Josh shoots 35% or better from 3 this year, I'll write an apology to Josh and our coaching staff and personally walk it from California to Indiana.
So your take is that with a summer of practicing the three, Josh's percentages are going to go down?

pacers74
07-05-2010, 03:02 PM
Hayward kind of throwing one down.

Rupert Stilinski
07-05-2010, 03:02 PM
If there was a way that Sundiata Gaines and everything about him could be completely erased from my memory, I'd be pretty grateful.

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 03:03 PM
Really smart play by hayward, cut off the pass lane, got the steal and dunked it.

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 03:03 PM
Hayward is a playmaker.

imawhat
07-05-2010, 03:05 PM
Hell of a steal by Hayward. And nice in-bounds defense. I can't believe Utah has a shot.

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 03:05 PM
Wished Hayward would have taken that in! Probably would have drew the foul! It was a smart pass though! Gaines of was open for the game winning 3 so you have to make the pass.

imawhat
07-05-2010, 03:06 PM
Nice finish!!

Coop
07-05-2010, 03:07 PM
Good look on the pass by Hayward there. He got it out to a good shooter with an open look. Might as well go for the win in that situation.

pacers74
07-05-2010, 03:08 PM
If there was a way that Sundiata Gaines and everything about him could be completely erased from my memory, I'd be pretty grateful.


He is really great from the free throw line.:hmm:

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 03:09 PM
I imagine that by Wednesday when Utah plays the Pacers Hayward is going to playing at full stride.

OakMoses
07-05-2010, 03:09 PM
I've only gotten to watch the 2nd half of this game, but there are only 3 guys playing like legit. NBA guys: Gerald Henderson, Derrick Brown, and Shawne Williams.

Hayward has shown some good passing ability, but he's really not getting the ball enough to show much on offense. He looks very underwhelming physically under the boards, but he's still getting some rebounds. He's active and aware defensively also. I just haven't seen enough to really get excited. Though I will say that he's coming alive now when it "counts".

Henderson has obviously been the best player on the floor. Offensively he's got the complete game: shooting, finishing, passing, good off-ball movement.

Shawne Williams is exactly what I remember him being: incredibly talented. He seems a bit more aware than he used to be. It's hard to watch Shawne. All it does is bring back memories...

Ajinca looks lost to me anytime he's not blocking a shot from the weak side.

The PG's (Pargo & Rice, esp.) seem to be playing one-on-one. I'm not that interested in that kind of PG play. Also, Pargo was supposed to be a good defensive player and Rice lit him up.

Coop
07-05-2010, 03:10 PM
Is anyone getting anything with the Broadband yet? I've got a stationary background with some awful skipping audio.

OakMoses
07-05-2010, 03:10 PM
On that last shot, Gaines should have taken the 2. The biggest reason he missed the shot is that he took two steps back to get behind the arc. That's not a natural shooting motion for anyone.

OakMoses
07-05-2010, 03:12 PM
I like Hayward. "After practice I'm shooting, not dunking."

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 03:12 PM
Nice Interview with Hayward there! Said he has confidence that Gaines would hit the shot has he has all week in practice.

Kegboy
07-05-2010, 03:12 PM
Anyway, note that Turner-Favors is the undercard at 1pm. First chance for all you non-college watchers to see 'em.

That's what I get for listening to pacers.com. Philly/NJ is at 7pm. :(

pacers74
07-05-2010, 03:14 PM
They should have let Gordon get another last second shot. If Gordon would have made it, it would make for not making it at the final four.:laugh:

pwee31
07-05-2010, 03:14 PM
Bring on the Pacers!

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 03:15 PM
Will be nice to see Hayward matched up with George on Wednesday!

Naptown_Seth
07-05-2010, 03:15 PM
First off I would have posted this right at the start of the thread to make sure everyone saw it...

SUMMER LEAGUE DOES NOT MAKE STARS
EVER. IT DOESN'T

All you do with summer league is get a feel for whether or not a player can even hang with the 10th man on the bench crowd. This is true year after year, and year after year some guy will load up stats and be proclaimed as an All-Star breaking out only to become nothing.

The fact is that the far more reliable results from summer games are this: if you struggle here you won't be in the league. Almost no players look clearly outplayed in summer ball but go on to prove themselves with a club.


This isn't just true for the already played game, but the rest of the Orlando and Vegas camps. Let's keep our excitement in check and focus on the realities.

Last year Josh, Tyler, Roy and AJ all had good summer leagues. Now I'd say that while I didn't see it from Tyler, the other 3 guys made good on that and showed during the season that they could play. BUT...Roy had a lot more "dud" games than nights where he led the way as he did in summer games. Josh and AJ we barely can judge because they struggled for PT.

And lest we forget the total freak out over the Bayless summer his rookie year.

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 03:17 PM
First off I would have posted this right at the start of the thread to make sure everyone saw it...

SUMMER LEAGUE DOES NOT MAKE STARS
EVER. IT DOESN'T

All you do with summer league is get a feel for whether or not a player can even hang with the 10th man on the bench crowd. This is true year after year, and year after year some guy will load up stats and be proclaimed as an All-Star breaking out only to become nothing.

The fact is that the far more reliable results from summer games are this: if you struggle here you won't be in the league. Almost no players look clearly outplayed in summer ball but go on to prove themselves with a club.


This isn't just true for the already played game, but the rest of the Orlando and Vegas camps. Let's keep our excitement in check and focus on the realities.

Last year Josh, Tyler, Roy and AJ all had good summer leagues. Now I'd say that while I didn't see it from Tyler, the other 3 guys made good on that and showed during the season that they could play. BUT...Roy had a lot more "dud" games than nights where he led the way as he did in summer games. Josh and AJ we barely can judge because they struggled for PT.

And lest we forget the total freak out over the Bayless summer his rookie year.

Oh Gosh! let us have our fun!

BornReady
07-05-2010, 03:21 PM
how does the game look so far?

Hicks
07-05-2010, 03:22 PM
It was delayed. Tip off is just now....

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 03:22 PM
Will Mcbob win the tip over Orton!?



Edit: Nope! Come on McBob!

Hicks
07-05-2010, 03:23 PM
Starting lineup: Stephenson-GuyIDontKnow-George-Rolle-McRoberts

travmil
07-05-2010, 03:25 PM
Holy cow, Daniel Orton has to have lost at least 30 lbs since he last played at UK.

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 03:25 PM
Lance to Magnum!

Anthem
07-05-2010, 03:25 PM
Stephenson to Rolle! Nice!

Rolle again!

pacers74
07-05-2010, 03:25 PM
Rolle for 2!!!!!!!

pacers74
07-05-2010, 03:26 PM
again from the top of the free throw line

Naptown_Seth
07-05-2010, 03:26 PM
I've only gotten to watch the 2nd half of this game, but there are only 3 guys playing like legit. NBA guys: Gerald Henderson, Derrick Brown, and Shawne Williams.

Hayward has shown some good passing ability, but he's really not getting the ball enough to show much on offense. He looks very underwhelming physically under the boards, but he's still getting some rebounds. He's active and aware defensively also. I just haven't seen enough to really get excited. Though I will say that he's coming alive now when it "counts".

Henderson has obviously been the best player on the floor. Offensively he's got the complete game: shooting, finishing, passing, good off-ball movement.

Shawne Williams is exactly what I remember him being: incredibly talented. He seems a bit more aware than he used to be. It's hard to watch Shawne. All it does is bring back memories...

Ajinca looks lost to me anytime he's not blocking a shot from the weak side.

The PG's (Pargo & Rice, esp.) seem to be playing one-on-one. I'm not that interested in that kind of PG play. Also, Pargo was supposed to be a good defensive player and Rice lit him up.
I need to watch most of the game too, but down the stretch I agree.

I don't jock Henderson for any other reason than the talent just screams out. I have no idea WTF Brown was doing with him last year, but it annoys me when coaches bury talent on the bench for no good reason (ahem, JOB).

I loved Shawne's talent. I told Gnome at a few games that first year that he was clearly farther along than Granger (he was) and had the natural smoothness and shooting touch of a good NBA player.

But GD is he dumb, and not just off the court.

That "great" Hayward steal was nothing. I was expecting the steal the second I saw Williams dribble himself into the halfcourt trap, pinned by 2 players, the HC line and the sideline. Worst F'n play a guy can make, and then he compounded it by doing a college freshman move and throwing the cross court pass.

That pass is stolen 99% of the time. If you must bail out and throw a jump pass, you throw it toward the baseline so that if it does get stolen they aren't starting halfway to the basket and on the run with your guys watching from behind.

That play told me a lot more about Williams' thinking than Hayward. I'm not even trying to trash out Hayward at all. But any of the guys defending his man at the time would have made the same play. Williams still has the same issues holding his game back. Very frustrating because he's got the talent.



Williams did take the uncalled charge by Hayward on the final play however.

Hayward will clearly make the team and contribute something this season, he's not completely overmatched here or anything.



BTW, I felt the same way about Pargo. He's got tons of talent but he just doesn't apply it well. Kinda disappointed there, I had good expectations for him.


Anjinca. Just shows you how scouts can talk themselves into a tall guy every time. Big hops, reach, tall - we need you even if you can't tie your shoelace without falling over. And the excuse is always the same - big guys take time...unless they are Ewing, Hakeem, Robinson, Duncan, ONeal...

Sorry, good is good. Just as many guys at other spots develop slowly. Does Danny prove that SF's just need time to develop? Of course not.

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 03:27 PM
Marcus Williams is the 2 guard.

travmil
07-05-2010, 03:28 PM
Oh good lord Lance! filthy!

B00sh
07-05-2010, 03:29 PM
Rick Kamla is awful

pacers74
07-05-2010, 03:29 PM
George for 3

diehard31
07-05-2010, 03:30 PM
Interesting match up for Lance, with the little quick point on him.

Hoop
07-05-2010, 03:30 PM
Well there goes the shutout. :D

pacers74
07-05-2010, 03:30 PM
Stephenson another nice pass to Rolle.

travmil
07-05-2010, 03:31 PM
Lance to Rolle again.

MillerTime
07-05-2010, 03:31 PM
These big men (on both teams) foul too much

pacers74
07-05-2010, 03:31 PM
Stephenson looks good and so does Rolle. George can shoot the rock. WOW!

pianoman
07-05-2010, 03:32 PM
All three of our draft picks look really good here in the 1st! Rolle with 6, Stephenson 2, and George with 3!!!

BornReady
07-05-2010, 03:32 PM
Oh good lord Lance! filthy!

good filthy? bad filthy? lol

righteouscool
07-05-2010, 03:32 PM
Lance has some pretty killer handles and vision. I can definitely see why they wanted him at point.

Daniel33
07-05-2010, 03:32 PM
our crew is ballin so far love to watch these young guys.

dal9
07-05-2010, 03:32 PM
11-4
we are going to the finals!

OakMoses
07-05-2010, 03:33 PM
Stephenson another nice pass to Rolle.

That one showed some actual awareness. He gets the kick out on the broken play, wide open at the 3 point line, fakes the shot and throws and spiffy little pass to Rolle for the dunk. Not necessarily a PG play, but it shows he knows where guys are on the court and is willing to pass up an open shot for a better one.

pacers74
07-05-2010, 03:33 PM
Stephenson from end to end layup.

pianoman
07-05-2010, 03:33 PM
Wow... 2 BAD 3pt shots by McBob. I hope this isn't a sign of things to come...

pacers74
07-05-2010, 03:33 PM
It's early, but Stephson looks like he can run the point.

vnzla81
07-05-2010, 03:34 PM
Is anybody else having issues login in and opening a summer league account? I can't log in :confused:

pacers74
07-05-2010, 03:35 PM
Stephenson again form the top of the key. He is the man.

Daniel33
07-05-2010, 03:35 PM
What do we need Alston for we got Stephenson!
Would like to see how Williams runs the Point.

pacers74
07-05-2010, 03:36 PM
He is dribbling behind the back around players. He is looking great and Dennis Scott and the other guy are loving him.

speakout4
07-05-2010, 03:36 PM
If all three rookies make the team and last the season then this will be an impressive victory for Larry and should legitimize him as a GM.
Josh belongs in the post so he can be the rebounder we need..

owl
07-05-2010, 03:37 PM
Video is excellent quality. I am getting two sound feeds. Is anyone else?
Stephenson has the handles.

OakMoses
07-05-2010, 03:37 PM
Stephenson is very interesting so far. He doesn't seem to have the handles and quickness of an NBA PG, but he manages to use his strength and his body to keep the defender far enough away from him to recover from his occasional mishandles. He is a good passer.

BornReady
07-05-2010, 03:37 PM
any sign of heurtel yet?
hows mcbob doing?

pianoman
07-05-2010, 03:37 PM
Nice block!!!

Hoop
07-05-2010, 03:37 PM
Wow... 2 BAD 3pt shots by McBob. I hope this isn't a sign of things to come...
The bad thing is, McBob does not need a 3pt shot EVER. I don't see Birdman in Denver shooting 3's.

Another example of our coaching staff trying to force a player into a system, instead of adapting the system to fit the players strengths.

xBulletproof
07-05-2010, 03:37 PM
Stephenson looks great against these guys, and overall I'm hopeful. Yet his handles are a little sloppy, and high. He needs to get that under control if he's going to dribble around NBA caliber PG's.

In an NBA game I think the ball would have been stolen 2 or 3 times at this point. Against these guys it looks fine though.

Anthem
07-05-2010, 03:37 PM
That was fun. Stephenson clearly has some court vision.

speakout4
07-05-2010, 03:41 PM
Is it the camera angle or does Josh look bigger/

Deadshot
07-05-2010, 03:44 PM
any sign of heurtel yet?
hows mcbob doing?

Heurtel has been in for a couple of minutes. He hasn't really done anything flashy. He did just drew a foul away from the basket though.

Daniel33
07-05-2010, 03:45 PM
I kinda dont like Heurtel seems a bit Travis Dienerish to me.

pacers74
07-05-2010, 03:46 PM
Marcus Landry can drive to hoop. He was doing it in that video also. He is strong, but he is destined for Europe.

OakMoses
07-05-2010, 03:46 PM
Stephenson gets called for 3 seconds, but scores on a nice move against Paul Davis (6'10"). Catches in the post, takes 1-2 dribbles out (obviously not far enough), then turns and attacks Davis, putting his shoulder into his chest and finishing the layup.

The Future
07-05-2010, 03:46 PM
Can Lance be our Tyreke Evans? ;)

xBulletproof
07-05-2010, 03:47 PM
Heurtel threw a pretty stupid cross court pass he was lucky didn't get stolen. I haven't liked what I've seen of him from the video's on Pacers.com or in this game.

Pacemaker
07-05-2010, 03:47 PM
Does anyone knows where I can buy on of those reversible Indiana Pacers practice jerseys ? I'd love to have one !

Rupert Stilinski
07-05-2010, 03:51 PM
Summer League games have to suck for everybody but all the point guards.

pacers74
07-05-2010, 03:51 PM
I went outside for a minute and asked my wife what I missed she said nothing that guy keeps screwing up. That guy was Heurtal.

Rupert Stilinski
07-05-2010, 03:51 PM
I went outside for a minute and asked my wife what I missed she said nothing that guy keeps screwing up. That guy was Heurtal.

She pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Anthem
07-05-2010, 03:53 PM
The bad thing is, McBob does not need a 3pt shot EVER. I don't see Birdman in Denver shooting 3's.

Another example of our coaching staff trying to force a player into a system, instead of adapting the system to fit the players strengths.
Yeah, it boggles me that people disagree with this.

speakout4
07-05-2010, 03:54 PM
I went outside for a minute and asked my wife what I missed she said nothing that guy keeps screwing up. That guy was Heurtal.
he's looking better now.

pwee31
07-05-2010, 03:54 PM
Heurtel straight draws from 3. Splash.

We're not getting calls on drives to the basket while the Magic are getting cheap shoves... just like the regular season

pwee31
07-05-2010, 03:55 PM
McRoberts finally hits a 3

Reeder
07-05-2010, 03:56 PM
McBob for 3!

Rupert Stilinski
07-05-2010, 03:56 PM
This Frenchman is infuriating. He should surrender now.

pacers74
07-05-2010, 03:56 PM
Heurtal needs to take a seat. He made a 3, but his pass aren't really good. I want to see more of Stephenson. By the way Mcbob just hit 3.

pwee31
07-05-2010, 03:56 PM
Heurtel pushes the pace and tempo. A couple ill-advised shots and passes, but I like his aggressiveness on both ends.

Would like to see more of George and Stephenson though

BRushWithDeath
07-05-2010, 03:57 PM
McRoberts finally hits a 3

He's only attempted 3. It's not like he's out there chucking every time down.

Brad8888
07-05-2010, 03:57 PM
Has McRoberts even sniffed the paint yet?

pacers74
07-05-2010, 03:58 PM
He hit another 3, but yes he has been in the paint. He scored once from down there.

Rupert Stilinski
07-05-2010, 03:59 PM
Has McRoberts even sniffed the paint yet?

Not on offense. He wants to play in real games.

Daniel33
07-05-2010, 03:59 PM
McBob 2/4 from Downtown.
I don't like to see that I miss the old McRoberts.

he just drove to the basket lol

Rupert Stilinski
07-05-2010, 04:00 PM
He hit another 3, but yes he has been in the paint. He scored once from down there.

He scored on a lay-up in transition. Not really "in the paint." I'd rather see him shooting 500 free throws a day than 500 three pointers, but with this coaching staff it's a lost cause.

pacers74
07-05-2010, 04:01 PM
Stephenson is back in!

xBulletproof
07-05-2010, 04:01 PM
McBob hits a 2nd three, then the guy comes out to guard him and he goes by him and gets fouled. Again, the 3 is good for him.

And I am still laughing at how the guy pronounced "Carmel, IN" .... hilarious!

pacers74
07-05-2010, 04:02 PM
Stephenson with a bad drive, but he got the put back.

Anthem
07-05-2010, 04:02 PM
Stephenson really doesn't look slow out there.

TheRifleman51
07-05-2010, 04:04 PM
Stephenson really doesn't look slow out there.

He looks pretty good out there aside for one questionable drive

Kuq_e_Zi91
07-05-2010, 04:04 PM
Loved that "And 1!" from Stephenson. He forgot something, though.

Anthem
07-05-2010, 04:04 PM
He looks pretty good out there aside for one questionable drive
Which he scored on (after the putback).

Anthem
07-05-2010, 04:06 PM
I'm not seeing a lot of Paul George. That's somewhat worrisome.

pacers74
07-05-2010, 04:06 PM
Stephenson loves to dribble behind his back. Will he be able to do that in the regular season?

MillerTime
07-05-2010, 04:07 PM
Paul loves the 3-ball...hes hasnt shot anything but it

docpaul
07-05-2010, 04:07 PM
http://twitter.com/coachthorpe/status/17813885594



Paulo George likes to spot up from 3. Not sure what else he likes to do.

pacers74
07-05-2010, 04:08 PM
Nice drive from Lance. He is smooth.

Daniel33
07-05-2010, 04:08 PM
expect Bird to sign Stephenson tomorrow.

owl
07-05-2010, 04:09 PM
Lance Stephenson!!!

OakMoses
07-05-2010, 04:09 PM
Stephenson is a player. He's been the best guy on the court so far.

Does anyone else forget that Paul George is even playing?

pacers74
07-05-2010, 04:10 PM
I hope Lance can translate this to the regular season. Maybe we can groom him for the starting spot.

TheRifleman51
07-05-2010, 04:10 PM
Which he scored on (after the putback).

true other than that i have no complaints i'm liking what i'm seeing
:dance:

focused444
07-05-2010, 04:10 PM
I love Stevenson's mentality...No one had to tell him to wake up for this game...He seems hungry...

Anthem
07-05-2010, 04:10 PM
Awesome.

For those not watching the game, the announcers said "We really like Stephenson, but he needs to be careful not to get too cute." And right after that he had a really nice stop-go move that got him a layup in between 3 defenders. So they said "Well, we really do like fancy, as long as it's successful."

Stephenson could still turn out to be a bonehead off the court, but right now he looks like the best player on the floor.

xBulletproof
07-05-2010, 04:10 PM
Stephenson looks like a beast right now.

Makes me hopeful that he may at least be worthy of being on the court for a few minutes per game in the regular season. As a 19 year old. Hm.

pacers74
07-05-2010, 04:11 PM
It is hard to remember that this is SUMMER LEAGUE.

Daniel33
07-05-2010, 04:11 PM
What a play WOW!

Anthem
07-05-2010, 04:11 PM
Good pass by McBob there... if Stephenson had been ready for it, that would have been an easy 2.

pacers74
07-05-2010, 04:12 PM
There you go guys. George for the put down.

xBulletproof
07-05-2010, 04:13 PM
Paul George with a a dunk and a foul!

Amazing body control.

pacers74
07-05-2010, 04:13 PM
George has 8 Stephson has 11 and is 5 of 6.

Daniel33
07-05-2010, 04:14 PM
Great play but big ups to Hendrix giving up the ball for George.
Hopefully we can see some more of our beloved Rolle.

graphic-er
07-05-2010, 04:14 PM
Have to say though, people think Hayward looks too skinny, Paul George looks rail thin in my opinion.

d_c
07-05-2010, 04:15 PM
I'm not seeing a lot of Paul George. That's somewhat worrisome.

It was reported that he got a minor injury in one of his workouts, right?

Psyren
07-05-2010, 04:15 PM
Stevenson has unbelievable talent if he just controls his "cuteness" when he plays.

xBulletproof
07-05-2010, 04:16 PM
Have to say though, people think Hayward looks too skinny, Paul George looks rail thin in my opinion.

It's much easier to be that skinny and get away with it when you're an all out athlete. Hayward needs a stronger body a lot more than Paul.

PacerPride33
07-05-2010, 04:17 PM
damn wish i could watch the game

Deadshot
07-05-2010, 04:20 PM
It was reported that he got a minor injury in one of his workouts, right?

I never saw this reported but Stephenson did sit out several days of practice with a minor foot injury. Maybe you're getting the two of them confused?

BornReady
07-05-2010, 04:20 PM
how does hendrix look? does he have a shot at making the roster?

storm1015
07-05-2010, 04:21 PM
Stephenson looks a lot like a younger stronger Marquis Daniels. Not really a PG, but can handle decent enough. Not much of a shooter, but can make a jumper. Can get into the lane at any time.

He also travels every time he starts dribbling. Something to watch out for if they decide to call it.

But he is the best player on the floor in this game.

2minutes twowa
07-05-2010, 04:21 PM
It's much easier to be that skinny and get away with it when you're an all out athlete. Hayward needs a stronger body a lot more than Paul.

Totally agree. George is skinny, but has a lot of muscle tone. I would describe as lean more so than skinny.

owl
07-05-2010, 04:23 PM
The 14.95 was worth it. Video is great but I am getting a double feed on the sound.
If Stephenson can contribute some of that in the regular season he will play.

imawhat
07-05-2010, 04:23 PM
One of our picks looks like #10, one looks like #40. And it ain't the order they were drafted in.

d_c
07-05-2010, 04:24 PM
I never saw this reported but Stephenson did sit out several days of practice with a minor foot injury. Maybe you're getting the two of them confused?

I was thinking of this:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NBA&id=1731&line=136897&spln=1

PacerDude
07-05-2010, 04:24 PM
George is skinny, but has a lot of muscle tone. I would describe as lean more so than skinny.Kind of like ...... oh, what's his name ?? SG - 'skinny' - used to play for the Pacers .......... west coast kid. You know who I mean.

xBulletproof
07-05-2010, 04:25 PM
One of our picks looks like #10, one looks like #40. And it ain't the order they were drafted in.

Paul doesn't look bad at all. He's playing good defense, and just doesn't have the ball in his hands every possession like Stephenson. Stephenson looks good, no doubt. That has nothing to do with Paul, and he looks good as well.

However, Daniel Orton looks like a middle school girl, though.

OakMoses
07-05-2010, 04:26 PM
chadfordinsider

Loved Lance Stephenson in the draft. Looked great in first half for Pacers playing the point. He can get to the rim.
4 minutes ago via Tweetie for Mac
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coachthorpe
Stephenson played some pg for the Pacers. I was impressed with his first half.

www.twitter.com

Hoop
07-05-2010, 04:27 PM
I know it's summer league and people always say it has nothing to with or does not translate to the regular season, and I understand it does not always.

But..... it certainly did with Hibbert and McBob from last summer, especially Hibbert, they looked great in the summer league and they did a lot of the same things in the regular season.

I like what I've seen from "Born Ready" so far! Praying it translates.

MillerTime
07-05-2010, 04:27 PM
Totally agree. George is skinny, but has a lot of muscle tone. I would describe as lean more so than skinny.

He reminds a lot of when TMac came to Toronto (in his rookie season)

Coop
07-05-2010, 04:28 PM
Paul fades away entirely too much on his 3's. He's 6'9" with a 7 foot wingspan. If he just goes straight up, that shot is not getting blocked and has a much better chance of going in. I think he's 1-5 now from 3.

TheRifleman51
07-05-2010, 04:29 PM
However, Daniel Orton looks like a middle school girl, though.

complete agree looks completely lost

PaceBalls
07-05-2010, 04:30 PM
I don't have NBA tv, so I am missing out on all the fun. But you guys are getting me excited about Lance. Sounds like he looks like Tyreke Evans out there.

Also Born Ready is the worst nickname I've ever heard.

imawhat
07-05-2010, 04:30 PM
Paul George has terrible body language. I thought that was Stephenson's knock.

Anthem
07-05-2010, 04:30 PM
Nice job by McBob to deflect the oop.

OakMoses
07-05-2010, 04:31 PM
I know it's summer league, and I know this isn't a huge compliment, but Stephenson seems to have a better idea of where his teammates are on the court than Ford does most of the time.

pacers74
07-05-2010, 04:34 PM
Mcbob and Orton going at it. Watch out.

BornReady
07-05-2010, 04:34 PM
hows magnum doing?

Anthem
07-05-2010, 04:34 PM
Paul George has terrible body language.
It's Rush-esque.

OakMoses
07-05-2010, 04:34 PM
http://twitter.com/coachthorpe


coachthorpe

Much to learn at that spot.
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coachthorpe
But he is still a long way away from being a pg.
2 minutes ago via web

coachthorpe
Stephenson playing with great energy. Nice to see.

Read these in reverse order. I asked Thorpe what he thought of Lance as a PG.

pacers74
07-05-2010, 04:34 PM
How many points does Stephenson have? 15, I think.

Deadshot
07-05-2010, 04:34 PM
Orton and McRoberts just got into a small scuffle after a play. On the replay it looked like Orton wrapped Josh up (out of frustration) and McRoberts tried to shove him off. The refs came in quick but Orton (1-8 for the day) was obviously the instigator.

Anthem
07-05-2010, 04:35 PM
Mcbob and Orton going at it. Watch out.
Heh. McBob making Orton look like a prissy schoolgirl.

pwee31
07-05-2010, 04:35 PM
Stephenson seems like a stud. Paul George seems disinterested? Perhaps that's just his demeanor.

Really don't need McRoberts getting into w/Orton in summer league.. seriously?

pacers74
07-05-2010, 04:35 PM
hows magnum doing?

Started out great. He hasn't done much since the first quarter.

BRushWithDeath
07-05-2010, 04:36 PM
hows magnum doing?

Not really doing anything. Barring a trade, I don't see any way he makes the roster.

pwee31
07-05-2010, 04:36 PM
Rolle seems active on defensive. Quietly effective

Anthem
07-05-2010, 04:36 PM
Really don't need McRoberts getting into w/Orton in summer league.. seriously?
Hard to fault McRoberts on that... Orton was all over him.

EDIT: Mac headed to the locker room... wonder what that's about.

EDIT 2: Mac and Orton both thrown out? That's ridiculous.

xBulletproof
07-05-2010, 04:36 PM
Orton loses his pride playing like a little girl, then tries to start something physical to get it back! FTL!

pacers74
07-05-2010, 04:37 PM
Stephenson loves to drive to basket.

lavell12
07-05-2010, 04:37 PM
Did McRoberts really get ejected from a summer league game.