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Anthem
07-03-2010, 05:34 PM
This is kinda cool.

http://ilevy.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/i-owe-brandon-rush-an-apology/


In my less than complimentary analysis, I looked at some numbers assessing Rush’s defensive production. The idea was that maybe his defensive production, which is not always captured accurately by PER, outweighed his sub-par production in other areas. In that initial analysis I looked at some numbers and found his defensive impact to be pretty minimal.

I signed up for a MySynergy sports account last week, and one of the first things I did was look at Rush’s defensive stats, with the idea of revisiting this issue. What I found was quite surprising. The first thing that popped out at me was that he held his counterpart to a FG% under 40.0% in all seven possession categories tracked by Synergy. Impressed by these numbers I looked for some other players for comparison.

He's got lotsa charts, but I figure posting them in the thread might drain his bandwidth to much. Head over and read the post, then let me know what you think.

Short version: Of the players examined, only Ron Artest had a lower PPP (points per possession). Apparently not many people are scoring efficiently on Brandon.

joew8302
07-03-2010, 05:44 PM
Could it be we are so weak defensively at other positions people just exploit them while not worrying about attacking Brandon? I realize there are many factors, and Brandon is a good defender, but I would think this has to be part of it.

Anthem
07-03-2010, 06:04 PM
Could it be we are so weak defensively at other positions people just exploit them while not worrying about attacking Brandon? I realize there are many factors, and Brandon is a good defender, but I would think this has to be part of it.
That would only impact the frequency, I'd think, not the ratios.

Actually you could make the case that if our other positions were stronger defensively, that Brandon's forced turnover ratio (his weakest area) would actually IMPROVE, since the player he's guarding wouldn't be able to easily pass to another player and reset the play.

Ozwalt72
07-03-2010, 06:04 PM
Could it be we are so weak defensively at other positions people just exploit them while not worrying about attacking Brandon? I realize there are many factors, and Brandon is a good defender, but I would think this has to be part of it.

I suppose, but this takes into account # of possessions too, and he seems to have been worked at as often as the others on the list. Any way you look at it these are some impressive numbers.

joew8302
07-03-2010, 06:24 PM
Good points all. No doubt Brandon is a solid defender, even very good. His offense will probably never catch up to his defense.

The main question is will Brandon ever be good enough to be a starting caliber two guard on a good team?

PacersPride
07-03-2010, 06:38 PM
great post, im thrilled to see someone in support of Rush and not overlooking his defensive abilities. in regard to one question about him ever starting.. i look it like if Rush were on the Pacers sqaud when Miller was about 35, Rush would have been a great backup sg and replacement for when Miller retired.

were wanting to get back to that level of play, Rush would nver have started on that team.. but he would have been Reggies replacement about 27 or 28, then you have an experienced shooting gaurd with solid defense.

rush just isnt ready, some players are right off the get go.. everyone overlooks rush since he does not score a ton of pts.. but his defensive is underappreciated. he has the quickness, he just needs to work on his shooting. i wonder if JOB's system has not stunted some of his development as well.

Rush could be a very solid player for us when/if we ever return to a championship level status.

thats why i just dont understand why some on here want to see him traded to acquire a pg. then were going to need a shooting gaurd, b/c no one knows how George will do. Rush is not going to get any worse than he is right now.. might as well see how George comes along and let Rush's value only increase.

trade the expirings, not young assets or draft picks!!!!

Anthem
07-03-2010, 06:56 PM
The main question is will Brandon ever be good enough to be a starting caliber two guard on a good team?
In other words, could he eventually become Bruce Bowen / Shane Battier?

I think that's achievable.

Ozwalt72
07-03-2010, 06:59 PM
In other words, could he eventually become Bruce Bowen / Shane Battier?

I think that's achievable.

Battier's a bit different. His defensive abilities go further than his perimeter defense. Bowen's a decent comparison though.

IndyPacer
07-03-2010, 09:23 PM
Good points all. No doubt Brandon is a solid defender, even very good. His offense will probably never catch up to his defense.

The main question is will Brandon ever be good enough to be a starting caliber two guard on a good team?

Many seem to view how good of a player you are or how worthy you are of starting by looking at your ppg stat. I definitely disagree with that, and I believe Rush could be a starter on a good team as long as he was in the right situation. He'd probably need at least two really good scorers in the lineup at other positions. He needs to have a decent PG and bigmen who are decent at kicking it out. He's never going to be great at shot creation, so he needs teammates who can set him up. Lastly, he can't have other guys gunning perimeter shots, which eats into his offensive production. Brandon rarely turns over the ball and tends to take good shots, but if he doesn't have help from teammates setting him up, he can't create his own shots and shoots a crappy FG%. When he gets open for 3's, he can drain them, but he's not going to be able to score much in 1-on-1 situations. He's just not very good at that. An ideal situation for him is having a couple scorers draw attention away from him, giving him opportunities to catch and shoot outside. He can thrive at guarding the team's best wing on the other end. Actually, Bowen had a similar game in some ways, but I think Rush could end up being more versatile than Bowen.

imawhat
07-03-2010, 09:44 PM
Nice. This is pretty much what I requested from Hicks a few weeks ago, with a slightly different list of players. See below:

http://www.pacersdigest.com/showpost.php?p=1003216&postcount=20


There's no doubt that Brandon is an underrated defender that is consistently on his game. It's too bad that he doesn't get the recognition he deserves because he decides not to take bad shots (and therefore has a low scoring average).

indy05colts
07-03-2010, 10:23 PM
Brandon is already a great Defender and looks like these charts only back that up. I honestly dont understand why everyone is hating on Rush? He is not a star and never will be. If he was on a team with more talent, fans would love him. We would guard the other teams best player, knock down clutch 3's, and not make stupid mistakes.

beast23
07-03-2010, 10:58 PM
I believe that Rush is a pretty good defensive player. His misfortune is that he plays a position that typically (for most teams anyway) is needed to provide more offensive output than what Rush seems willing (or maybe capable) of providing.

One way of getting around this problem is for his offensive play to become extremely efficient. Maybe he doesn't take as many shots, but perhaps begins to hit them at a very good rate for an SG. His turnover to assist ratio can improve. And, even though maybe he won't be the designated perimeter shooter, he finds ways to get to the free throw line.

He has an opportunity to finally provide us with someone at the SG position who can be a fine defender. But he just has to solve his offensive puzzles. Either become a better scorer or become an extremely efficient offensive player, despite how many points he scores.

BornReady
07-03-2010, 11:06 PM
the problem is that even though he is playing good defense, offense is still 4v5

IndyPacer
07-03-2010, 11:09 PM
One way of getting around this problem is for his offensive play to become extremely efficient. Maybe he doesn't take as many shots, but perhaps begins to hit them at a very good rate for an SG. His turnover to assist ratio can improve. And, even though maybe he won't be the designated perimeter shooter, he finds ways to get to the free throw line.



I think a key problem he's having here is that he's poor at shot creation. He can hit open shots; he actually has the highest 3-pt percentage on the team. But he needs help from his teammates setting him up or his shooting percentage bottoms out. I'm hopefully that the PG we get is a real floor general rather than a 3-pt specialist. Hibbert and Rush in particular would benefit from having a good floor general.

Hicks
07-03-2010, 11:58 PM
I think if Brandon could learn to attack the basket and hit a high % of his free throws, a lot of the hate would (or at least should) go away.

At this point, I'd prefer we simply view him as a 3rd wing and keep looking for an answer at the starting SG position (if we're lucky, that could be George) while not trading Brandon.

But if Brandon is the key to acquiring a good starting PG, we may have to make that sacrifice.

OrganizedConfusion
07-04-2010, 02:00 AM
It's too bad that he doesn't get the recognition he deserves because he decides not to take bad shots (and therefore has a low scoring average).

His FG% does not really support this assertion about his shot selection.

cdash
07-04-2010, 02:41 AM
I've been saying this for a while: Brandon Rush should focus all his energy on being a tenacious defender and a three point shooter. If he can play A defense and make open threes, then he's very valuable in the Bruce Bowen mold.

Day-V
07-04-2010, 02:51 AM
the problem is that even though he is playing good defense, offense is still 4v5

I'm not the biggest fan of Brandon by a long shot, but he at least draws attention (or should, anyway) from defenders with his ability to hit outside shots. Dude did shoot 41% from 3.

quinnthology
07-04-2010, 03:13 AM
the problem is that even though he is playing good defense, offense is still 4v5

This is seriously a great post.

imawhat
07-04-2010, 04:51 AM
His FG% does not really support this assertion about his shot selection.

He was 18th in the NBA last season in 3 point shooting. His FG% supports it.

pacers74
07-04-2010, 06:28 AM
Quick someone e-mail that link to every GM in the league and see what we can get for him.

Putnam
07-04-2010, 08:36 AM
What does "4v5" mean?

Anthem
07-04-2010, 08:50 AM
What does "4v5" mean?
Four versus Five.

Which is ridiculous. I never saw a possession last year where Rush's man backed off and didn't guard him. I've seen it with Dale Davis and with Foster, but never with Rush.

Putnam
07-04-2010, 08:51 AM
I wish the blogger had listed possessions as percent of all possessions rather than the raw number. I was trying to look at how the number of opportunities of each type affected the overall results for each player.

How many pick and rolls did the Pacers' opponents run last year, compared to the NBA in general? And how did that affect Rush's results?

Putnam
07-04-2010, 08:54 AM
Four versus Five.

Which is ridiculous. I never saw a possession last year where Rush's man backed off and didn't guard him. I've seen it with Dale Davis and with Foster, but never with Rush.


Right. Rush wasn't assertive, but he wasn't invisible either.

Unclebuck
07-04-2010, 09:10 AM
His team defense still needs some work, but he's young still and the team D is always the last to come around

OrganizedConfusion
07-04-2010, 10:27 AM
He was 18th in the NBA last season in 3 point shooting. His FG% supports it.

3 pointers yeah, but 42% overall is not impressive.

cordobes
07-04-2010, 12:36 PM
Nice. This is pretty much what I requested from Hicks a few weeks ago, with a slightly different list of players. See below:

http://www.pacersdigest.com/showpost.php?p=1003216&postcount=20


There's no doubt that Brandon is an underrated defender that is consistently on his game. It's too bad that he doesn't get the recognition he deserves because he decides not to take bad shots (and therefore has a low scoring average).

True, but he also decides to not take many good shots - especially 3 pointers. I recall looking at his eff/usg numbers at one point last season and thinking he really needed to sacrifice his efficiency numbers a little bit to put up some more shots. He's too good of a sniper to take so few shots in a team like the Pacers. It seems to me that sometimes he just stays away from the action because he's mind is somewhere else and he's comfortable with that. Must be more consistent putting his mind in affecting the game.

I like Rush, solid role-player. Modest starter, high quality backup. He just needs to take more shots.

cdash
07-04-2010, 01:05 PM
True, but he also decides to not take many good shots - especially 3 pointers. I recall looking at his eff/usg numbers at one point last season and thinking he really needed to sacrifice his efficiency numbers a little bit to put up some more shots. He's too good of a sniper to take so few shots in a team like the Pacers. It seems to me that sometimes he just stays away from the action because he's mind is somewhere else and he's comfortable with that. Must be more consistent putting his mind in affecting the game.

I like Rush, solid role-player. Modest starter, high quality backup. He just needs to take more shots.

The return of cordobes! It's been too long.

I'm not wild about Rush as a solution at the shooting guard spot. I am fond of him as a 6th/7th man who comes in and plays great defense and hits the open three. I think that role is his future in the league, unless he completely changes his lifelong passive mindset on offense and all of a sudden becomes much more assertive.

imawhat
07-04-2010, 03:40 PM
True, but he also decides to not take many good shots - especially 3 pointers. I recall looking at his eff/usg numbers at one point last season and thinking he really needed to sacrifice his efficiency numbers a little bit to put up some more shots. He's too good of a sniper to take so few shots in a team like the Pacers. It seems to me that sometimes he just stays away from the action because he's mind is somewhere else and he's comfortable with that. Must be more consistent putting his mind in affecting the game.

I like Rush, solid role-player. Modest starter, high quality backup. He just needs to take more shots.

I agree that he needs to be more assertive with his talent level, but he wasn't passing up a lot of open looks, cordobes. The reason he doesn't take a lot of shots is because our offense runs an average of 0-1 plays/game for him, and he cannot create off the dribble.

The problem last year is that we went away from the screening/cutting offense we had in '08-'09 so there are less opportunities for Brandon to shoot. Brandon does what the coach asks, to a fault.

Foul on Smits
07-04-2010, 04:04 PM
One thing i love about Brandon is that he has that glide to him. Like when Lebron makes up a ton space to run down a transition lay-up and block it. Brandon has that. He's also go a Artest like build. He's strong. He wont get bullied by anyone. He cant be backed down by a post up and he's quick enough to play really good perimeter defense.

My main problem with Rush is that he's too damn powerful of a 2 guard to not being taking the ball to the basket. He has some good finishing moves. He's got the strength to take it whenever he wants and he's a good enough threat from 3 to make defenders pay for cheating up on there perimeter defense. The guy could score 19 a night easily and make all defensive teams.

It's been said already. He just doesnt know how to assert himself. And if we end up keeping him, this year is a make or break year. If he doesnt assert himself in the game like he should and could, then he might never .

binarysolo
07-04-2010, 04:15 PM
One thing i love about Brandon is that he has that glide to him. Like when Lebron makes up a ton space to run down a transition lay-up and block it. Brandon has that. He's also go a Artest like build. He's strong. He wont get bullied by anyone. He cant be backed down by a post up and he's quick enough to play really good perimeter defense.

My main problem with Rush is that he's too damn powerful of a 2 guard to not being taking the ball to the basket. He has some good finishing moves. He's got the strength to take it whenever he wants and he's a good enough threat from 3 to make defenders pay for cheating up on there perimeter defense. The guy could score 19 a night easily and make all defensive teams.

It's been said already. He just doesnt know how to assert himself. And if we end up keeping him, this year is a make or break year. If he doesnt assert himself in the game like he should and could, then he might never .


I don't subscribe to this theory. I've seen Brandon miss too many shots around the rim to say he could score consistently if he wanted to.

speakout4
07-04-2010, 05:12 PM
True, but he also decides to not take many good shots - especially 3 pointers. I recall looking at his eff/usg numbers at one point last season and thinking he really needed to sacrifice his efficiency numbers a little bit to put up some more shots. He's too good of a sniper to take so few shots in a team like the Pacers. It seems to me that sometimes he just stays away from the action because he's mind is somewhere else and he's comfortable with that. Must be more consistent putting his mind in affecting the game.

I like Rush, solid role-player. Modest starter, high quality backup. He just needs to take more shots.
By not taking his open shots Brandon passes off to someone having a worse shot. That lack of assertiveness means missed opportunities for anyone to score. I disagree that his mind is somewhere else-IMO he doesn't shoot when he has the best shot because he doesn't want a bad stat sheet.

Anthem
07-04-2010, 07:21 PM
His around-the-rim skills are bizarre, actually. He's got a decent first step and can generally get to the rim when he wants to, but he tends to tense up at the last minute and not finish the play. Very weird.

Eleazar
07-04-2010, 08:32 PM
That is exactly what I don't understand. When he does go hard to the basket he finishes extremely well, but there are a lot of times where he looks timid in which he tends to miss a lot. He has the ability to be better than Granger (well all except for leadership), but he just doesn't seem like he has the confidence around the rim to exploit his skill. He already plays great defense and is a great 3 point shooter, if he can just finishes strong he would have all the necessary elements to be a star in this league. It is just frustrating knowing what he can do, but just doesn't do it.

Marlin
07-04-2010, 09:18 PM
Yeah when he goes hard and actually tries to dunk the ball, he gets his points. We've seen it, he has it in him...he jumps well and has strenght. But often times he goes up tentatively, as if he's surprised he managed to get there, and that's what's bothering us the most. He has it, but he doesn' play like that.

johndozark
07-05-2010, 10:23 AM
Forgive me if anther version of this reply also appears. My log-in apparently disappeared, and so I am trying again.

I am delighted to see Rush getting more balanced treatment. I believe that he is one of our best defenders and has offensive potential that would show up in an offensive system that utilized a great passing PG.

I don't think that Thomas Heurtel is the PG answer (because he appears to me to be weak on defense), but I saw Heurtel making great passes in a rookie team scrimmage tape, and it reminded me how much that could mean to the team, and especially to a player like Rush.

So my three conclusions are:

(1) Keep Rush as a reliable, high quality top eight player, probably a starter.

(2) Do everything possible (short of trading Granger, Hibbert, and Rush) to get a true passing PG.

(3) Keep working on getting some great passes coming from one or more of our bigs (I am interested in the McRoberts experiment in this regard).

pacergod2
07-05-2010, 12:08 PM
I think a huge problem with looking at Brandon offensively, is that he is our fifth option. I have probably blown this horn and people don't agree, but he is literally the last player to touch the ball in most of our possessions. It is tough to ask a player to rotate along the three point line and make cuts from one baseline position to the other and not get him the ball until late in a possession. When he does get the ball, there is typically better ball movement within the possession and leaves him wide open for an uncontested three because there has been defensive rotation. Brandon shouldn't drive when he has a wide open three like that. It is tough for a player to drive the ball when he doesn't have possession of it.

I am still not going to make a decision on this kid offensively until I can see him without Troy Murphy throwing up threes before he even touches the ball in the offensive possession. I just want to see him play like an actual SG, not move over to the PF position, like he HAS to with our team makeup.

Another thing I would like for him to work on, besides finishing at the rim, is a go to move or two in a back-to-the-basket post up situation. There are so many undersized SG's that he could take advantage of, if we realized the weakness and he could exploit it. We know every other team does that to our PF. Why not let Brandon play PF and Murphy play SG.

cordobes
07-05-2010, 07:24 PM
I agree that he needs to be more assertive with his talent level, but he wasn't passing up a lot of open looks, cordobes. The reason he doesn't take a lot of shots is because our offense runs an average of 0-1 plays/game for him, and he cannot create off the dribble.

The problem last year is that we went away from the screening/cutting offense we had in '08-'09 so there are less opportunities for Brandon to shoot. Brandon does what the coach asks, to a fault.

Indeed, always though that a different system, with a coach who would call more plays and have more sets designed for him (especially having him curling off screens), or in a team with better ball movement, he'd improve his numbers.

But it's only a partial agreement because I believe he could have done much better even in the context he was. Just checking the numbers - he was 12th in usage rate for the Pacers last season (weathered by the fact he played most of the time along the starters) and only 9th in TS% among the 15 players they used. I think a few more 3s per game and he could climb in both those ranks.


By not taking his open shots Brandon passes off to someone having a worse shot. That lack of assertiveness means missed opportunities for anyone to score. I disagree that his mind is somewhere else-IMO he doesn't shoot when he has the best shot because he doesn't want a bad stat sheet.

Partially agreement, I'm not a believer in your last sentence. He doesn't look that kind of guy. And if that's the case, he's getting some awful advise - scoring is what earns you money in the league. Just check the kind of contracts inefficient volume scorers have been getting through the years.

speakout4
07-05-2010, 07:31 PM
Partially agreement, I'm not a believer in your last sentence. He doesn't look that kind of guy. And if that's the case, he's getting some awful advise - scoring is what earns you money in the league. Just check the kind of contracts inefficient volume scorers have been getting through the years.
That was just a guess and more likely he is just unwilling to take risks. He seems to have his head in the game on defense but offense not so much. Perhaps he suffers from being around his brother who was criticized for taking bad shots.

As pointed out here he could improve his offense by going to the basket. He is a SG and on most teams that means he has to be a scorer.

Putnam
07-05-2010, 10:02 PM
I think a huge problem with looking at Brandon offensively, is that he is our fifth option. I have probably blown this horn and people don't agree, but he is literally the last player to touch the ball in most of our possessions. It is tough to ask a player to rotate along the three point line and make cuts from one baseline position to the other and not get him the ball until late in a possession.



Is this right, though?

I don't have any sense about it based on watching/listening to games, but according to 82games (http://www.82games.com/0910/0910IND.HTM) shot clock info, the go-to guys with the shot clock running out were Hibbert and Watson. At least they were more apt to take those shots than Murphy or even Granger were.

Here's the percent of each player's field goal attempts taken in the first 10 seconds of the clock, and the percent of his shots taken in the last 5 seconds of the clock:

Hibbert (28 - 17)
Watson (44 - 15)
Rush (41 - 12)
D Jones (38 - 12)
Granger (46 - 11)
Murphy (45 - 9)

Now, this doesn't indicate the number of shots taken by each player. I agree that Rush isn't aggressive enough and doesn't take as many shots as a starting wing player should. This only indicates how many of each guy's shots come early and late. And it seems to suggest that Rush gets a fair share of the early shots.

What am I missing?

pacergod2
07-06-2010, 12:12 PM
Is this right, though?

I don't have any sense about it based on watching/listening to games, but according to 82games (http://www.82games.com/0910/0910IND.HTM) shot clock info, the go-to guys with the shot clock running out were Hibbert and Watson. At least they were more apt to take those shots than Murphy or even Granger were.

Here's the percent of each player's field goal attempts taken in the first 10 seconds of the clock, and the percent of his shots taken in the last 5 seconds of the clock:

Hibbert (28 - 17)
Watson (44 - 15)
Rush (41 - 12)
D Jones (38 - 12)
Granger (46 - 11)
Murphy (45 - 9)

Now, this doesn't indicate the number of shots taken by each player. I agree that Rush isn't aggressive enough and doesn't take as many shots as a starting wing player should. This only indicates how many of each guy's shots come early and late. And it seems to suggest that Rush gets a fair share of the early shots.

What am I missing?

I think it has a lot less to do with the shot clock and more of the position they are in when they get the ball. 41% in the first ten seconds... ok what does that tell you then... that Rush is aggressive offensively? Or that he jacks up ill-advised shots a la Stephen Jackson? Or that he gets most of his shots in the fast break? I don't think any of those are necessarily true. One thing I do notice is that most of our team has a HEAVY skew toward the first ten seconds of the shot clock. Go back to Rick Carlisle's offense and this would be much more even, IMO. The problem I have is that Roy Hibbert has a lot fewer attempts in the first ten seconds and we aren't prioritizing him as the first or second touch in our offense.

I am going off of what I noticed in games, so I don't have great stats for you Putnam. I notice that most of Brandon's touches come after several passes in the offense. They also typically come from beyond the arc ranging from the baseline until the arc moves away from the sideline. Usually Watson has the ball and gets it to Granger or Murphy initially and the offense "flows" from there. One thing that your stat does show for my thoughts is that Murphy and Granger have much higher usage rates in a "First ten seconds" to "Last ten seconds" ratio, i.e. Murphy>Granger>Rush/DJones>Watson>Hibbert. Murphy and Granger tend to eat up most of the early shot clock with their touches. I don't think the ball movement last year was nearly what it was two years ago. I would like to see Murphy gone, since I doubt we would move him to the low block or high post. This would push Rush into a scenario where he is one of the first people passed to and therefore a higher priority in the offense. Of course, I would love to have a more traditional PF, but that's a whole different can of worms.

When you have four perimeter players, the PG is at the top, two wings (Granger and Murphy), and the fourth player that it takes two passes to get the ball to. That position is Rush's. I don't think Rush gets nearly the volume of touches that other players do. The ones he does get, I wish he was more aggressive with obviously, but if teams realize his three point proficiency, then this will allow him to get to the basket more hopefully with more touches. I felt like he was more aggressive when he was with the second team and when Granger was out, because he seemed to be getting more touches. You may not agree with me, but that's an observation I have had. Brandon needs to work on his offensive game clearly, I just hate the way we use him (and plenty of other players as well).

PS - Putnam, you gave me a comlpement a few weeks ago that I never really responded to. Thank you very much for your kind words.

Naptown_Seth
07-06-2010, 02:58 PM
In other words, could he eventually become Bruce Bowen / Shane Battier?

I think that's achievable.
Achieved.

Bowen did two things, he played great on-ball defense (and overall as well) and he shot the "keep 'em honest" 3. Rush dropped the 3 at a 40% clip, over 40 in several months.

What else is there on that Bowen list?


On his aggression, I think he could do more but I was the one who scouted him as "unselfish to a fault" about 3-4 months before the Pacers drafted him. His game is a team game and JOB is asking him to be a more selfish scorer.

I agree that if you need a guy trying to take over the scoring late then this isn't Brandon. But I don't care about that because that's what Danny is for, or Roy if you have him rolling.

Brandon is a solution at SG. He makes the outside shot at a high rate and defends his spot. You have a scoring SF who is a modest but sometimes good defender.

What you need is solid PG play, a good defensive PF (ie, not Troy) and to have Roy putting in 14-16 ppg from the 5 spot. Plus 4 bench guys that feature at least 2 scorers so that your offense never runs dry.


I'm not against moving Rush if it's a really good deal, but he's as good a pick at his spot as Dale was. The difference is no one minded that Dale wasn't Kemp or Malone or Barkley putting up big points from the PF spot.

Only your top 2-3 guys are going to do everything. The rest of the guys have strong and weak points.


Indeed, always though that a different system, with a coach who would call more plays and have more sets designed for him (especially having him curling off screens), or in a team with better ball movement, he'd improve his numbers.
This is exactly the issue. His choices reflect a strong aversion to the style of offense JOB runs. He's adapting, but it's a poor use of his offensive style.

pacergod2
07-06-2010, 03:22 PM
Seth, I would thank your post 10 times if I could. You have an extra pair of sticks to beat that drum with? I have been saying this so much that my sticks are broken.

IndyPacer
07-06-2010, 10:20 PM
I'm reading through some posts here and imagining how Rush would look in a system that had far more of the offense running through Hibbert and Granger inside (i.e., Danny playing more inside and varying his game rather than shooting jumpshots). Put our PF inside with Hibbert; I actually think McRoberts could probably help Hibbert a lot in such a setup if he is still intact after JOB's Murphy-ize assimilation treatments. I sincerely believe we would have a pretty decent team if we had a coach who truly understood his players' talents and adjusted his coaching to play to their strengths. We have a serious talent with Hibbert in particular; he could be among the best centers in the entire league with the right guidance, and Rush would thrive in a system that fully utilized an interior presence like that. We could use the phrase "spread the floor" without it being a joke; it's actually a relevant concept if you have a big interior presence and punish them outside with high percentage sharpshooting like Rush is capable of providing when open.

O'Bird
08-07-2010, 07:48 PM
The problem last year is that we went away from the screening/cutting offense we had in '08-'09 so there are less opportunities for Brandon to shoot. Brandon does what the coach asks, to a fault.

The coaches wanted him to attack more, that's why they asked him to work on that last summer. The fault is that he is not yet doing enough of that.

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O'Bird
08-07-2010, 07:50 PM
This is kinda cool.

http://ilevy.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/i-owe-brandon-rush-an-apology/

Short version: Of the players examined, only Ron Artest had a lower PPP (points per possession). Apparently not many people are scoring efficiently on Brandon.

The site won't let me thank you for this. Anyway, thanks. I knew he was good, but I didn't know that he was elite good.

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PacersPride
08-08-2010, 11:58 PM
agreeed . rush is a pseudo - dale davis at the shooting guard position. ive always liked rush's game but it needs time to develop. would have liked rush backing up reggie. honestly, with coaches coming in here why not let reggie coach up rush for an offseason.

just working on without the ball movement. stephenson might benefit as well. traditionally i like the SG to be the scorer, and the PG distribute, but with this backcourt we need a stud all-around good PG. a balanced PG who can score and assist. i think over time rush will develop a solid offensive game.

Putnam
08-09-2010, 08:30 AM
rush is a pseudo - dale davis at the shooting guard position.

That's a head scratcher. What do you mean by that?

gummy
11-29-2010, 06:55 PM
Just wanted to bump this with Roy's recent twitter entry:

"The way danny n b rush has been playing d these past couple of games has been amazing. I mean 1st Team All Defense. They really working hard"

I think BRush has taken another step with his defensive awareness and intensity this year. His team defense is markedly better than it was last year. I'm really enjoying watching Danny and Brandon get after it (not to mention Roy's improved D and the upgrade of Josh over Murphy). Now if only Collision could stay in front of his man a little more often...

Anthem
11-30-2010, 09:09 PM
I'd be really interested in seeing the newer versions of these stats.

1984
11-30-2010, 09:11 PM
This was posted a year ago on the forum. None the less, it is obvious now that Brandon's defense is essential to the success of this team.

1984
11-30-2010, 09:18 PM
Here is the old thread and the original article. I would be interested to see that breakdown today.

http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=55087&page=2 (http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=55087&page=2)

http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/article_external/I_Owe_Brandon_Rush_an_Apology/2858329 (http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/article_external/I_Owe_Brandon_Rush_an_Apology/2858329)