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McKeyFan
07-03-2010, 05:13 PM
If there really is a possibility that Chris Paul is available, shouldn't we throw everything at the Hornets to get him?

I'd hate to lose Granger, Hibbert, or George, our three biggest assets I suppose, but it seems like it would be worth it to land a perennial All-Star. Build around Paul and you might just might pull off a championship.

Is there any combination of players we could offer to make this happen?

Brad8888
07-03-2010, 05:21 PM
If there really is a possibility that Chris Paul is available, shouldn't we throw everything at the Hornets to get him?

I'd hate to lose Granger, Hibbert, or George, our three biggest assets I suppose, but it seems like it would be worth it to land a perennial All-Star. Build around Paul and you might just might pull off a championship.

Is there any combination of players we could offer to make this happen?

Yes. Granger, Rush, and TJ for Paul and filler would probably get it done if Paul would want to come here, but why would he want to without Granger?

So, no, not if we can only have current players included in the trade. From back in the day, a combination of Mark Jackson and Reggie Miller probably could have gotten the job done.

joew8302
07-03-2010, 05:25 PM
Adding Paul while losing basically all of our young talent is rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. We would be in the same place we are now.

Alabama-Redneck
07-03-2010, 05:27 PM
If there really is a possibility that Chris Paul is available, shouldn't we throw everything at the Hornets to get him?

I'd hate to lose Granger, Hibbert, or George, our three biggest assets I suppose, but it seems like it would be worth it to land a perennial All-Star. Build around Paul and you might just might pull off a championship.

Is there any combination of players we could offer to make this happen?

I have nothing but the upmost respect for CP3 abilities but he has 0 championships and if we gut our team, what makes anyone think he will lead us any farther than he did New Orleans.

Getting CP3 would be wonderful but not at the expense of Granger and Hibbert. No thanks.

JMO

:cool:

MillerTime
07-03-2010, 05:27 PM
I think if we took on Okafor and game them Granger, George, Mruphy, Rush + first rounder...It'll get the job done...but quite frankly, I wouldnt do it...but to answer your question, yes we do have the assets

McKeyFan
07-03-2010, 05:32 PM
I think if we took on Okafor and game them Granger, George, Mruphy, Rush + first rounder...It'll get the job done...but quite frankly, I wouldnt do it...but to answer your question, yes we do have the assets

I'd do that.

It would be a trade, so technically Chris Paul would not have to "approve" it. How much longer before his contract is up?

Regarding the swap of our current assets for Paul, I think there is a much better percentage chance of getting a cast similar to Granger, Rush, and George after acquiring a perennial All-Star and top tier point guard like Paul . . . then the other strategy—keeping our assets and hoping to land another top tier All-Star player and/or point guard down the road.

Great small forwards are easier to find than great point guards.

MillerTime
07-03-2010, 05:38 PM
I'd do that.

It would be a trade, so technically Chris Paul would not have to "approve" it. How much longer before his contract is up?

Regarding the swap of our current assets for Paul, I think there is a much better percentage chance of getting a cast similar to Granger, Rush, and George after acquiring a perennial All-Star and top tier point guard like Paul . . . then the other strategy—keeping our assets and hoping to land another top tier All-Star player and/or point guard down the road.

Great small forwards are easier to find than great point guards.
CP3 is under contract until 2012/2013 (where he has an option).

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/hornets.jsp

pwee31
07-03-2010, 05:52 PM
Why couldn't we do it without Granger? Portland was almost able to pull it off, and Roy, Aldridge and Oden were no where to be found in the deal.

I'd offer Ford, Murphy, Paul George and either Hibbert or a future 1st for Paul and Okafor

They get 2 expiring contracts that can play and contribute for a year, and that give them 20 million in expiring contracts. They get a top 10 pick wing in George they can add to Collison and David West, then they can have a future 1st round pick (What I would prefer to give) or a young Center in Hibbert.

Pacers w/o Hibbert:

PG: Chris Paul, Price, FA?
SG: Rush, Stephenson, Dahntay
SF: Granger, Dunleavy, Dahntay
PF: Hansbrough, McRoberts, Solo
C: Okafor, Foster, Rolle

Pacers w/ Hibbert

PG: Chris Paul, Price, FA?
SG: Rush, Stephenson, Dahntay
SF: Granger, Dunleavy, Dahntay
PF: Okafor, Hansbrough, McRoberts
C: Hibbert, Foster, Rolle

Hornets w/ Hibbert

PG: Collison, Ford
SG: George, Thorton
SF: Posey, Wright, Peja, Pondexter
PF: West, Brackins
C: Hibbert, Murphy

The lineup w/o Hibbert is the same except they would have a 1st round pick they can target a center with. Hornets would also have 20 million to work with next summer w/Ford and Murphy coming off the books. 33 million if you count Peja.

The Pacers would still have about 15/16 of expiring with Dunleavy, Foster and Solo.

Pacers could also offer to swap Foster with Posey which would give the Hornets another expiring contract a year earlier and a Center option if the Pacers want to keep Hibbert.

Basically the Hornets get George and a 1st round pick, or George and Hibbert, to go with Collison, Thorton and West, as well as 20-26 million in expiring contracts (not including Peja), all while being able to still put a competitive team on the floor

joew8302
07-03-2010, 06:26 PM
If you think we could get Paul without Granger you must be in lala land. The citizens of New Orleans would burn down the french quarter (and rightfully so) if the Hornets traded the best pg in the NBA for a package centering around Roy Hibbert.

PacersPride
07-03-2010, 06:29 PM
yes we likely do have the assets, but why give up the farm when we could get collison for much cheaper; not having to give up Granger, George, Hibbert, or any draft picks.

i would rather take on Collison. did you guys see his stats the final 3 months of the season? Collison would be alot more affordable.

Pacers2012
07-03-2010, 06:33 PM
We would have to give up granger or a few of our young guys not to metion taking okafors contract. I would much rather go after collison who is much younger and would cost less.

vnzla81
07-03-2010, 06:38 PM
no we don't

PacersPride
07-03-2010, 06:43 PM
no we don't

Larry: hey NO's how bout we offer you Granger, Hibbert, 2 1st rounder unprotected, and Murphy

NO's Gm: and you want Paul/okafor in return. where do we sign.

i.e. if NO's turned that down for Paul,, they are dipsh*ts. if Larry offered it.. :confused:

vnzla81
07-03-2010, 06:49 PM
Larry: hey NO's how bout we offer you Granger, Hibbert, 2 1st rounder unprotected, and Murphy

NO's Gm: and you want Paul/okafor in return. where do we sign.

i.e. if NO's turned that down for Paul,, they are dipsh*ts. if Larry offered it.. :confused:

NO knows that Paul is once in a life time player when Granger is just another one of the guys

Ozwalt72
07-03-2010, 06:56 PM
NO knows that Paul is once in a life time player when Granger is just another one of the guys

Once in a lifetime? Don't overrate the guy. He's an all-star point guard. Top 5 at the positon. He's no Lebron, he's no Kobe.

tadscout
07-03-2010, 06:58 PM
Hornets prez Hugh Weber, at event WITH Chris Paul, when asked if it's 100 percent CP3 starts next season as a Hornet: "No question, yes."
about 3 hours ago via TweetDeck

Via- Marc Stein (http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ/status/17671669283)

Anyway, why gut your team for a PG when he'd have no one to create for? He can't pass to himself...

idioteque
07-03-2010, 07:03 PM
Trading for Paul while giving up Granger is plain dumb in my opinion. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic is all that is. New Orleans and Indiana are not ideal trading partners.

SycamoreKen
07-03-2010, 07:07 PM
If we wanted Paul we should have fired JOB and hired Scott. They are buddies and it would have given Paul a reason to reup. On that note, does Cleveland have expirings to trade for him?

PacersPride
07-03-2010, 07:09 PM
NO knows that Paul is once in a life time player when Granger is just another one of the guys

you know and i know NO's would not turn that down. Granger is a freaking all-star, and you add Hibbert, George who they coveted w/ 2 unprotected firsts... c'mon man lets be realistic here.

only player untouchable in the league is LeBron. again, if Larry offered that for Paul :censored::censored::censored:

pwee31
07-03-2010, 07:09 PM
Portland offered Dre Miller, Bayless, Pryzbilla, Batum, and pick #22 and the Hornets GM almost bit. Ford, Murphy, George and next year's 1st isn't far off. You could even add another future first in 2013. If take away a 1st and add Hibbert I personally think our package is better then Portland's

That being said, Paul is likely going nowhere

PacersPride
07-03-2010, 07:17 PM
Portland offered Dre Miller, Bayless, Pryzbilla, Batum, and pick #22 and the Hornets GM almost bit. Ford, Murphy, George and next year's 1st isn't far off. You could even add another future first in 2013. If take away a 1st and add Hibbert I personally think our package is better then Portland's

That being said, Paul is likely going nowhere

i agree.. Paul is likely going nowhere, but over on HOrnets report there is alot of specualtion that Paul wants out, and wants to win now.

reasonaly.. as you eluded to Paul is for hire.

Paul, Okafor, Posey @ 30 mill

for

Murphy, Dunleavy, TJ @ 30 and an unprotected first rounder.


pg: Paul, Price
sg: Rush, George, Jones, Stephenson
sf: Granger, Posey
pf: Okafor, Hansbrough, McBob
c: Hibbert, Foster, Solo, Rolle

looks like a 50 win squad to me and a potential championship caliber team. why NO's would do it.. 30 million in cap room next offseason along with a first rounder unprotected.

doubt Paul gets moved, but thats a very solid offer. still say go after Collison unless NO's would accept that.

vnzla81
07-03-2010, 07:22 PM
here is a video to remind some people what kind of player CP3 is, Im sorry but Granger is not even close

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PacersPride
07-03-2010, 07:25 PM
i know the type of player Paul is.. and didnt say Granger was equal, but he is close. Granger is a STUD on a bad team.

all im saying is the Pacers have the assets.

Ozwalt72
07-03-2010, 07:25 PM
here is a video to remind some people what kind of player CP3 is, Im sorry but Granger is not even close


I don't care. You don't trade your team for one player.

jeffg-body
07-03-2010, 07:34 PM
It all depends on what the Hornets want. If they want cap space then yes. If they want young talent then no. One player is not worth all of our young guys.

vnzla81
07-03-2010, 07:34 PM
I don't care. You don't trade your team for one player.

witch ad to my point that we don't have the pieces to get him

Ozwalt72
07-03-2010, 07:35 PM
witch ad to my point that we don't have the pieces to get him

My point is that Chris Paul is not worth Danny Granger, Roy Hibbert, Paul George, and a first.

idioteque
07-03-2010, 07:48 PM
My point is that Chris Paul is not worth Danny Granger, Roy Hibbert, Paul George, and a first.

No kidding. If Kevin Durant woke up one morning with a burning desire to play in Indiana I would consider the package, but even then I would be reluctant to give up the first. But for Chris Paul, no way.

imawhat
07-03-2010, 09:33 PM
We had this thread less than a week ago, McKeyFan, and you posted in it.

http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=54502&highlight=chris+paul

Imo, the only way Chris Paul gets traded is for cap relief. You don't have to give up Granger to get him.

What you need is a combination of expiring contracts and young players on small contracts with potential. In other words, a Troy Murphy/Roy Hibbert/Brandon Rush type of package.

That said, I'd give up our 2 best players (Granger, Hibbert) and a draft pick to get Chris Paul. It's extremely difficult to contend without a top level player. Chris Paul fixes that.

Also, he's the type of player that can take an average player and make them look like an all star. Look at what he did for Tyson Chandler's/David West's careers. He took an 18-64 team and improved them 20 wins in his first season. Two years later they were 56-26. They were 25-21 last year before he missed 30 games, and then they finished 12-24.

The guy is a huge difference maker. It's a no-brainer (imo) if he have a chance to get him.

McKeyFan
07-03-2010, 11:17 PM
We had this thread less than a week ago, McKeyFan, and you posted in it.

Well, I guess I am mesmerized by the possibility.

By the way, you posted in that thread as well and offered Lorbek and filler for Paul. Although . . .





That said, I'd give up our 2 best players (Granger, Hibbert) and a draft pick to get Chris Paul. It's extremely difficult to contend without a top level player. Chris Paul fixes that.



The guy is a huge difference maker. It's a no-brainer (imo) if he have a chance to get him.

you also just posted this. And I agree.

ksuttonjr76
07-03-2010, 11:55 PM
here is a video to remind some people what kind of player CP3 is, Im sorry but Granger is not even close

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And why we shouldn't trade Granger...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHopzP8M1xc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnzb8Q-1j7s&feature=related

If anyone knows how to embed these videos, it would be greatly appreciated.

Hicks
07-04-2010, 12:03 AM
On the youtube page of the video in question, click on the embed button, then copy the HTML code that will appear after you've clicked, then paste that code into your post.

BornReady
07-04-2010, 12:04 AM
sorry guys
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67798/20100703/no_question_paul_will_remain_with_hornets/

ksuttonjr76
07-04-2010, 12:13 AM
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ksuttonjr76
07-04-2010, 12:14 AM
On the youtube page of the video in question, click on the embed button, then copy the HTML code that will appear after you've clicked, then paste that code into your post.

Thanks!

tadscout
07-04-2010, 12:38 AM
sorry guys
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67798/20100703/no_question_paul_will_remain_with_hornets/

Yeah I mentioned that comment from the NO prez in post #16 of this thread and people kept debating, despite them saying they aren't moving him :-p

(Feel so Ignored at times, lol)

Day-V
07-04-2010, 02:43 AM
sorry guys
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67798/20100703/no_question_paul_will_remain_with_hornets/

I kind of figured this to be the case all along. Didn't he pretty much say he would only leave New Orleans if they weren't trying to win anymore?

If that's the case, then all this talk about packaging Granger to them wouldn't have worked anyway. Letting Paul go would mean they want under the cap, and simply swapping him for Granger would've done little to no good in terms of cap relief. If anything, a package of Roy, George/Tyler, and a 1st would be more to their liking, and even then that might not have been enough to their liking.

quinnthology
07-04-2010, 03:05 AM
i know the type of player Paul is.. and didnt say Granger was equal, but he is close. Granger is a STUD on a bad team.

You obviously don't know the type of player Paul is. Let me say this simply. Chris Paul has no weaknesses. He leads the league in assists and steals when healthy, can score over 20 points and hardly ever turns the ball over (no other point guard fills all those today, and not many ever). His one weakness was three pointers and he shot 40% when he played last year (and 60% for a while).

Danny is ridiculously limited without the ball, is mediocre when trying to get teammates involved and needs to improve on defense. To some, Chris Paul is the second best player in the league. And to most he is in the top five. If we could get Paul, which we can't, we should have traded anything necessary. It is not as one poster said "rearranging the seats on the Titanic." Chris Paul carried a pathetic Hornets team to 50+ games nearly by himself in the West, followed by a 49 win season. Not only would he drastically improve our team, he would make Indy a draw for other free agents if we had cap room and not many other teams were competing in the offseason.

underwave
07-04-2010, 06:34 AM
hmmm paul said to the hornets that he wants a improvement in roster right?

throw all our players and bring him to our team with, what?

a team that has nothing left but paul.

my answer is there's no way. and paul would also not consider the pacers.

underwave
07-04-2010, 06:40 AM
keeping our assets and hoping to land another top tier All-Star player and/or point guard down the road.
Great small forwards are easier to find than great point guards.

man. it's a very good point. but, wow. the situation that we even have to consider these kind of options really makes me sad.:cry:

extreme time, extreme measure.

underwave
07-04-2010, 06:43 AM
Why couldn't we do it without Granger? Portland was almost able to pull it off, and Roy, Aldridge and Oden were no where to be found in the deal.

I'd offer Ford, Murphy, Paul George and either Hibbert or a future 1st for Paul and Okafor

They get 2 expiring contracts that can play and contribute for a year, and that give them 20 million in expiring contracts. They get a top 10 pick wing in George they can add to Collison and David West, then they can have a future 1st round pick (What I would prefer to give) or a young Center in Hibbert.

Pacers w/o Hibbert:

PG: Chris Paul, Price, FA?
SG: Rush, Stephenson, Dahntay
SF: Granger, Dunleavy, Dahntay
PF: Hansbrough, McRoberts, Solo
C: Okafor, Foster, Rolle

Pacers w/ Hibbert

PG: Chris Paul, Price, FA?
SG: Rush, Stephenson, Dahntay
SF: Granger, Dunleavy, Dahntay
PF: Okafor, Hansbrough, McRoberts
C: Hibbert, Foster, Rolle

Hornets w/ Hibbert

PG: Collison, Ford
SG: George, Thorton
SF: Posey, Wright, Peja, Pondexter
PF: West, Brackins
C: Hibbert, Murphy

The lineup w/o Hibbert is the same except they would have a 1st round pick they can target a center with. Hornets would also have 20 million to work with next summer w/Ford and Murphy coming off the books. 33 million if you count Peja.

The Pacers would still have about 15/16 of expiring with Dunleavy, Foster and Solo.

Pacers could also offer to swap Foster with Posey which would give the Hornets another expiring contract a year earlier and a Center option if the Pacers want to keep Hibbert.

Basically the Hornets get George and a 1st round pick, or George and Hibbert, to go with Collison, Thorton and West, as well as 20-26 million in expiring contracts (not including Peja), all while being able to still put a competitive team on the floor

u dreamin?

Unclebuck
07-04-2010, 07:16 AM
Adding Paul while losing basically all of our young talent is rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. We would be in the same place we are now.

No, because then we would have the most imporant position filled with one of the best players in the NBA. We would be in much better position. Paul is someone other players want to play for and he is someone who can be the best player on a championship.

ksuttonjr76
07-04-2010, 10:21 AM
No, because then we would have the most imporant position filled with one of the best players in the NBA. We would be in much better position. Paul is someone other players want to play for and he is someone who can be the best player on a championship.

I disagree. If we gave up most of our talent for one player, Indiana would be WORSE then they are now. We DON'T need an All-Star PG. We just need a PG to fit JOB's system.