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odeez
07-02-2010, 04:34 PM
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odeez
07-02-2010, 04:39 PM
George is getting me all excited about what he is going to bring to our team. Highlights in the this 12 min video are: he makes a silky smooth jumper (his shot is a pleasure to watch), gets a steal then dunks, blocks a shot, hits a three at the buzzer, and makes the correct play by passing the ball when his shot is not there. He did get beat to the rim on one play, but let's not be negative here. I love him so far! I know, it's just practice!

BornReady
07-02-2010, 04:40 PM
I'm having a hard time distinguishing who is who :/ can somebody help me with this?

odeez
07-02-2010, 04:43 PM
I'm having a hard time distinguishing who is who :/ can somebody help me with this?

Just look for 24, the video is better when you make it full screen, you can see who is who. I did not see Lance in any of the shots, which makes me wonder...

Really?
07-02-2010, 04:47 PM
Things that I observed, T Heurtel looks like the lil pg on the suns...pretty good but maybe it is because he is playing against Russell Robinson...

Marcus Williams is ok, but not going to be much of a offensive threat at the next level

Although Paul George is good and I believe he has the handles to play the 2 but he still has a lot of room to improve...defending the 2 will take a more time to develop, I can see why many scouts have said his potential is so high.

Magnum seems like he will be a force on the defensive end eventually

Josh needs to stop taking all those 3's

Hendricks is good enough to make a NBA roster

Where was Lance?

Everyone else pretty much doesn't have a chance

Hicks
07-02-2010, 04:48 PM
That bullet half-court pass by Josh was fantastic.

Really?
07-02-2010, 04:48 PM
I'm having a hard time distinguishing who is who :/ can somebody help me with this?

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/highlights_100702.html

Check out this link they have the player names and the numbers on the side so it is easier to follow

BornReady
07-02-2010, 04:49 PM
tell you what...i thought 51 looked the best out there

Really?
07-02-2010, 04:52 PM
tell you what...i thought 51 looked the best out there

Yeah he is like a lil Goran Dragic from the Suns...good passes, defense was pretty decent besides the time he got crosses by Robinson and he can make shots and drive it in....

It will be interesting to see what he does in summer league...

odeez
07-02-2010, 04:53 PM
I am just happy they let us see the practice video, I can't wait till Monday!

Hicks
07-02-2010, 04:54 PM
Commenting as I watch, but how about that shot-clock beater by George? Love that.

The Hustler
07-02-2010, 04:59 PM
Does Paul George look like he's lost weight? He seems fairly thinned out. Good that it likely suggests he is working hard, if one wants to read into it, maybe an attempt to display himself as a shooting guard.

Enjoyable video to watch, although at this stage we can't read too much into it, still early training sessions and against relatively lower oposition. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

odeez
07-02-2010, 05:00 PM
I wonder why Lance is not playing?

BornReady
07-02-2010, 05:01 PM
do you know what worries me? McRoberts did not stand out to me, even with his NBA experience. IMO he didn't look any better than Marcus Williams.

odeez
07-02-2010, 05:05 PM
So Lance is hurt, that's why he not playing.

"Lance Stephenson is hurt right now so he missed the last two practices."

Quote from: http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/web_100702.html

odeez
07-02-2010, 05:06 PM
do you know what worries me? McRoberts did not stand out to me, even with his NBA experience. IMO he didn't look any better than Marcus Williams.


He probably shouldn't be there and he played like it. He is not a rookie anymore or even second year player. And he must stop taking threes.

BornReady
07-02-2010, 05:08 PM
So Lance is hurt, that's why he not playing.

"Lance Stephenson is hurt right now so he missed the last two practices."

Quote from: http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/web_100702.html

Hopefully it's something minor. Looks that way, as it wasn't a big flashing headline or something.

righteouscool
07-02-2010, 05:08 PM
I think the most impressive thing about George is his body control. He's got such great balance and everything he does looks so smooth. Incredibly impressive when you realize he went into college as a center..

diehard31
07-02-2010, 05:11 PM
Stevenson has a foot injury. Says so in the article about Rolle

Magic P
07-02-2010, 05:14 PM
I love him so far! I know, it's just practice!

http://ourkitchensink.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/practice-allen-iverson-our-kitchen-sink.jpg

Hicks
07-02-2010, 05:15 PM
George does look very smooth, but what scares me is sometimes he looks kind of lifeless, too.

Magic P
07-02-2010, 05:16 PM
do you know what worries me? McRoberts did not stand out to me, even with his NBA experience. IMO he didn't look any better than Marcus Williams.

He played the role of a facilitator to me? -shrugs-

OakMoses
07-02-2010, 05:16 PM
Four things stand out:

1. McRoberts is shooting too many jumpers.

2. George has a beautiful jump shot.

3. I wonder if Stephenson is hurt, because he's not practicing.

4. Heurtel (#51) looks really good. He gets totally beat on one play by Robinson, but offensively he looks fantastic. He's got a lot of crafty little passes. He throws four or five different types of passes in this video. He also looks confident and aggressive. He also looks like a 17 year old. He's got a nice jumper too.

odeez
07-02-2010, 05:19 PM
George does look very smooth, but what scares me is sometimes he looks kind of lifeless, too.

I did notice that a bit as well, seems like he was kind of floating along at times, then he steals the ball goes the length of the floor and dunks and I say, well OK!!! I think he is going to have to work on his defense a lot, but I love him offensively already!

pwee31
07-02-2010, 05:19 PM
Yeah Stephenson apparently injured his foot. Hope he's good by summer league.

Marcus Williams is thinner then I expected. Can handle the rock, but seemed to be lacking defensively.

Magnum Rolle appears to be very active on both ends. If he continues to improve say goodbye to Hans Solo and hello to Magnum P.I

Paul George looks smooth, and seems to let the game come to him, I think that's a good thing for a rookie, as long as he's aggressive once it comes to him.

Thomas Heurtel (spelling?) looks intriguing, ran the team well, had a nice jump shot, and made so nice passes. Got crossover pretty badly but seemed to be decent on defense. Needs to add some muscle.

Russell Robinson actually didn't look bad either, seemed very active on the defensive end, pushed the tempo and made some nice plays.

McRoberts really seemed like a floor general. Very vocal and active. Too many jump shots for my liking though, especially against the competition. Guess he truly is working his way into the rotation?!

odeez
07-02-2010, 05:20 PM
Four things stand out:

1. McRoberts is shooting too many jumpers.

2. George has a beautiful jump shot.

3. I wonder if Stephenson is hurt, because he's not practicing.

4. Heurtel (#51) looks really good. He gets totally beat on one play by Robinson, but offensively he looks fantastic. He's got a lot of crafty little passes. He throws four or five different types of passes in this video. He also looks confident and aggressive. He also looks like a 17 year old. He's got a nice jumper too.

Stephenson is hurt: http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/web_100702.html

Really?
07-02-2010, 05:21 PM
George does look very smooth, but what scares me is sometimes he looks kind of lifeless, too.

Yeah I think I understand what your saying, to me he kind of still looks like he isn't challenged or the hustle isn't there, like at times just standing around instead of going for rebounds, or not being as active on D as he could...

But I'm hoping that that will come with time.

One thing about good players they are always doing something, whether they have the ball in their hands or not, they are making plays... thats what he will have to learn.

Magic P
07-02-2010, 05:26 PM
Come on guys #51 didn't get crossed that bad, he was looking for the screen.

Rupert Stilinski
07-02-2010, 05:28 PM
He probably shouldn't be there and he played like it. He is not a rookie anymore or even second year player. And he must stop taking threes.

What's he supposed to do? Not try to earn playing time?

His coach explicitly said that's what he wants him to do. Seems like if I was in his shoes, I'd think "well, I'm playing with a lot of scrubs here, might as well just jack tons of threes so maybe JOB will give me a chance. I want to play."

odeez
07-02-2010, 05:33 PM
What's he supposed to do? Not try to earn playing time?

His coach explicitly said that's what he wants him to do. Seems like if I was in his shoes, I'd think "well, I'm playing with a lot of scrubs here, might as well just jack tons of threes so maybe JOB will give me a chance. I want to play."

He is doing what he is supposed to be doing by playing with the rookies if he wants more time. But, I would think he has been to enough Summer Leagues by now. I know the coaches want him there, so he is doing what they ask, no problem. To me he just looked disinterested at times. But also you are talking to someone who is not on the McRoberts needs to play bandwagon. I think he can throw it down like no ones business, but he needs to develop jumper before I start asking for them to play him more.

Rupert Stilinski
07-02-2010, 05:45 PM
He is doing what he is supposed to be doing by playing with the rookies if he wants more time. But, I would think he has been to enough Summer Leagues by now. I know the coaches want him there, so he is doing what they ask, no problem. To me he just looked disinterested at times. But also you are talking to someone who is not on the McRoberts needs to play bandwagon. I think he can throw it down like no ones business, but he needs to develop jumper before I start asking for them to play him more.

I get what you're saying but when the coach essentially says, "he needs to take more threes if he wants to play." It shouldn't be a surprise when, especially in practices when the coach is the only one really watching, he takes more threes.

Anthem
07-02-2010, 05:56 PM
I get what you're saying but when the coach essentially says, "he needs to take more threes if he wants to play." It shouldn't be a surprise when, especially in practices when the coach is the only one really watching, he takes more threes.
Not surprising at all, and I'd do the same thing if I was in his shoes.

But great gravy do I hate what Obie is doing to McRoberts' game.

Anthem
07-02-2010, 06:03 PM
Is that Roy on the near left sideline at the 6:06 mark?

dal9
07-02-2010, 06:33 PM
kramer actually did ok...

and why ripping on McBobbers? He actually hit the deck trying to get a steal

indyaway
07-02-2010, 07:07 PM
Not surprising at all, and I'd do the same thing if I was in his shoes.

But great gravy do I hate what Obie is doing to McRoberts' game.

Agreed. He's doing what the coach wants him to do. The issue is with a coach so fascinated with putting energetic power forwards beyond the arc when they should be playing close to the rim, setting screens/picks, and making the outlet pass to get the offense started.

Who exactly is #51? Whenever I see him I keep thinking Bird just went completely off his rocker and got "The Professor" to come try out for the team.

odeez
07-02-2010, 07:12 PM
Not surprising at all, and I'd do the same thing if I was in his shoes.

But great gravy do I hate what Obie is doing to McRoberts' game.


This is awesome because you used "great gravy" in it! Love it!

tadscout
07-02-2010, 07:25 PM
kramer actually did ok...

and why ripping on McBobbers? He actually hit the deck trying to get a steal

I dunno.. I think people are reading into things so they can :3deadhors (JoB)

I don't get the people who think McBob looked uninterested... he was going after every rebound, diving for a loose ball, and directing his teammates on offense.

Yes he shot 2 three pointers (some of you are making it sound like he took much more... or they were completely illivised/ un-open)... What do you :censored: expect under the same :3deadhors (JoB) -- (opps I did it too)

Anyway good grief people...

I'm happy to look at the bright spots like George, Rolle and the Frenchman...

TheRifleman51
07-02-2010, 07:37 PM
Did anyone see Roy in the corner cheering hahaha

Taterhead
07-02-2010, 08:05 PM
Did anyone see Roy in the corner cheering hahaha

Am I the only one who has just absolutely has fallen in love with Roy Hibbert? He just has so much enthusiasm. I have no doubt he will get every shred of potential out of himself. I don't remember seeing that enthusiasm from him as much in college. But he just appears to be so happy living his dream, and it is just a huge breath of fresh air for me. He looks and acts like a born leader. I have no doubts this kid will turn into a hell of a C and good leader for us.

You can also see some great things from George and Rolle in that video. I really like both these guys. I don't know how good Rolle will be eventually but he seems to have all the tools to be a great fit next to Roy on the front line. Great pick by Bird. Even if he doesn't develop into much in his career, I can definitely see why they traded for him. And George is very smooth. He is so tall and long for shooting guard. That, combined with that quick release of his he has the potential to be an offensive force someday. Defensively he looked bad at times, and I agree he was loafing a little here and there in that video. But he has all the tools to be a very, VERY good player eventually. I think the defense will come in time. It will improve greatly just by practicing day to day against the actual rotation players in camp and during the season. He is so young and these are his first days as an NBA player so I don't see any reason to over analyze the video. What I want to see as how he responds to a real challenge, like the first time he has to guard Danny in practice.

I am so excited to see these guys progression this year it's ridiculous.

bphil
07-02-2010, 08:07 PM
PG looked tentative at times, but when he decided what he was going to do it was pretty obvious that he has a natural flow that you can't teach. It's probably going to take him some time to adjust to the NBA, but he definitely has the necessary skills. Hopefully he also has the drive... I would suggest the Pacers put his locker as far away from BRush's as possible...

Marlin
07-02-2010, 08:59 PM
Let me thank you here, odeez, other than the thanks button. For some reason I can't see videos on pacers.com (only there), so when you inbed these videos you give me the opportunity to see something. Really appreciated.

By the way, Heurtel didn't look half bad. Good court vision and nice zip on his passes, I need to find more about him. I knew he was on the French NT radar, let's see if he shows some of that potential.

imawhat
07-03-2010, 03:00 AM
Not surprising at all, and I'd do the same thing if I was in his shoes.

But great gravy do I hate what Obie is doing to McRoberts' game.

I do too, to echo a few others in this thread. He's really regressed, and it appears to be based on what he thinks will gain more playing time from O'Brien (the jumpshot).

Jim's saying the right things in press and Josh is doing the opposite. They need to bridge the gap.

imawhat
07-03-2010, 03:02 AM
Btw, nobody left a great impression on me in this video. It looked like pretty low quality basketball for pro level...to be expected at this point.

CableKC
07-03-2010, 03:34 AM
That bullet half-court pass by Josh was fantastic.
Totally agree. Why JO'B doesn't use him more is beyond me.

Anthem
07-03-2010, 07:22 AM
I do too, to echo a few others in this thread. He's really regressed, and it appears to be based on what he thinks will gain more playing time from O'Brien (the jumpshot).

Jim's saying the right things in press and Josh is doing the opposite. They need to bridge the gap.
Jim's not said anything different from usual... he hasn't retracted his statement that Josh needs to shoot threes like Reggie Miller or Larry Bird. Actually I think it makes a lot of sense... Josh seemed to be facilitating the offense from the top of the key... in perfect position for a 3-pointer. I very strongly doubt that those two things are unrelated in Obie's mind.

Kuq_e_Zi91
07-03-2010, 08:08 AM
To add to that, I'm thinking JOB wants him to at least develop a three so he's more of a threat to the defense. If he's going to be at the top of the key, and the defense doesn't have to respect his shot from three, they can just sag off and clog the passing lanes. Having the ability to shoot from out there just opens things up for him to make plays with his passing ability.

Will Galen
07-03-2010, 08:09 AM
Actually I think it makes a lot of sense... Josh seemed to be facilitating the offense from the top of the key... in perfect position for a 3-pointer. I very strongly doubt that those two things are unrelated in Obie's mind.

I agree. It also appears to me to be a workable way to have Stevenson be the point guard of the second unit. Stevenson brings the ball down court and then Josh starts the offence.

count55
07-03-2010, 08:35 AM
http://www.indystar.com/article/20100703/SPORTS04/7030321/1088/SPORTS04/Summer-sessions-suit-McRoberts


McRoberts is taking part in the four-day rookie/free agent camp at the fieldhouse and probably will play in a couple of games during next week's summer league in Orlando, Fla.

"I was surprised they asked me to play because they said in the exit meeting that they didn't want me to play summer league," McRoberts said. "They wanted me working out. They came up to me about a week ago and asked if I would play. It's something I wasn't prepared for, but I'm looking forward to it because it's a great opportunity to play."

I had been surprised by mg1070 tweets that McRoberts wasn't expecting to play in summer league. I would have thought that was a foregone conclusion for a guy who was still largely on the fringe, but I guess this explains it.


"Josh proved at the end of the season that his playing time is going to continue to increase," coach Jim O'Brien said. "His strengths are his playmaking ability at his size -- he can do it off the dribble, he can do it off the catch -- so we want to put the ball in his hands . . . and have him be a facilitator as well as, if the pass is not there, to put the ball on the ground and get his own shot.

"He's also worked really hard on his shooting. Take the shot that's there."

McRoberts said working on his jump shot, which is almost a must in O'Brien's system, has been his top priority. He attempted only 23 3-pointers last season -- making eight -- but the ability to shoot from the free throw line area will help earn him more playing time.

Anthem
07-03-2010, 08:53 AM
To add to that, I'm thinking JOB wants him to at least develop a three so he's more of a threat to the defense. If he's going to be at the top of the key, and the defense doesn't have to respect his shot from three, they can just sag off and clog the passing lanes. Having the ability to shoot from out there just opens things up for him to make plays with his passing ability.
That's true, they will do that if he's at the top of the key. But the key point is that he shouldn't be at the top of the key anyway. It's stupid.

"Hey, I've got an energetic high-flying hustle player who's great around the rim. Maybe I should put him out behind the 3-point arc."

I'd love to see what Rick Carlisle could do with this group of players.

OakMoses
07-03-2010, 09:25 AM
That's true, they will do that if he's at the top of the key. But the key point is that he shouldn't be at the top of the key anyway. It's stupid.

"Hey, I've got an energetic high-flying hustle player who's great around the rim. Maybe I should put him out behind the 3-point arc."

I'd love to see what Rick Carlisle could do with this group of players.

Where should he be?

Brad8888
07-03-2010, 11:41 AM
Two things that stood out for me.

1.) McRoberts, as his interview elsewhere has indicated, was not in playing shape, at all. He looked slow and his reflexes weren't sharp. Since he was out of shape, he had no lift on his jumpers and appeared to be a set shot shooting Smooth wannabe on his 3's (really, really, really has no business out there at this point). He didn't look disinterested to me, though. He just looked out of shape compared to the rest on the floor. I am not sure what to think about that, but it is pretty concerning.

2.) Heurtel looked like a good pg out there. He is still raw, obviously, but he did understand what was going on around him, and seemed comfortable running the offense. His passing looked good, but who knows how it would look against better players who are actually playing defense?

Otherwise, George looked OK, and Rolle looked OK then disappeared for whatever reason.

But, it was good that they at least showed a decent amount of the scrimmage.

count55
07-03-2010, 11:49 AM
Is that Roy on the near left sideline at the 6:06 mark?

No, it's McCarty. He's reffing the game.


That's true, they will do that if he's at the top of the key. But the key point is that he shouldn't be at the top of the key anyway. It's stupid.

"Hey, I've got an energetic high-flying hustle player who's great around the rim. Maybe I should put him out behind the 3-point arc."

I'd love to see what Rick Carlisle could do with this group of players.

Where should he be? He's shown no post game. He's shown no mid-range. His strength isn't at the rim, it's going to the rim...and the most developed skill he has offensively is his passing.

I've seen you refer to lineup with McRoberts as a 4 as a "traditional" lineup, but my problem with that is that = other than by height - McBob is not a traditional 4. He looks like a classic 'tweener to me.

On this team, he looks both more traditional - and more athletic - but that's largely because most of the bigs besides Roy are largely unathletic misfits. (Roy is a largely unathletic classic '70's style center.) In the league as a whole, he looks like a 'tweener. (Granted, there are a lot of those these days.)

There are two different things at work here. O'Brien played Murphy at the top of the key because he absolutely belonged there. That shot was the point of Murphy's offensive existence. It was the only game he had.

O'Brien wants McBob to develop a shot because it's a way to keep open the rest of his game - both his passing and his ability to take the ball to the basket. Right now, he has nothing coherent outside of dunk. Additionally, he wants guys to pair with Hibbert who won't get in Roy's way on the low block.

O'Brien may be trying to make McBob into something he is not, but so are you, to a large degree.

LAPacer
07-03-2010, 12:10 PM
Nice to see an early glimpse of George. My initial thoughts are:
-George is much more fluid and athletically gifted than any of our other wings
-His jumper is high and he creates space stepping into his shot really well
-Concerns of his lack of motor are evident. He looked like he was trying the least. Didn't affect his game on offense, but during rebounds and on D he definitely slacked more than he should have. He looks lost boxing out and jumps at the wrong time trying to block shots on ball.
-O'Brien might be the one of the better coaches to have in terms of developing George's game as spacing, threes, conditioning are things O'brien focuses on

imawhat
07-03-2010, 02:20 PM
Where should he be? He's shown no post game. He's shown no mid-range. His strength isn't at the rim, it's going to the rim...and the most developed skill he has offensively is his passing.....

....O'Brien wants McBob to develop a shot because it's a way to keep open the rest of his game - both his passing and his ability to take the ball to the basket. Right now, he has nothing coherent outside of dunk. Additionally, he wants guys to pair with Hibbert who won't get in Roy's way on the low block.

I agree with this in principle, but my biggest criticism of O'Brien is that he's unwilling to change his system to fit his players' talents.

I'm one of Josh's biggest supporters on this board. Josh will never be a three point shooter. He will never be a consistent outside shooter. Period.

I'll take it even further. We have not run an offense that relies on backdoor cuts and player movement (don't believe Jim's lip service) since Rasho was here. So then, why is Josh spending so much time at the three point line?

Josh sees how playing time is rewarded. He sees the Troy Murphy treatment. He also sees "take the shot that's there" comment from Jim, which contradicts his previous statement about putting the ball on the floor by default. Nobody is going to guard Josh at the three point line.

Josh was a facilitator two years ago. He put the ball on the floor two years ago. The only thing that's changed about his game is the amount of time behind the three point line and the perimeter shots. That's obviously something he learned.

Jim wants Josh to be effective? He needs to recognize what Josh is doing and tell him to be somewhere else.

If he wants Josh to be a facilitator at the high post then he needs to rework backdoor cuts and screens into his offense.

If he wants Josh to be a facilitator in his current offense then he needs to put Josh closer to the post.

If he wants Josh to be in triple threat, then put him at 15 feet on the baseline. It's the only spot on the floor where he can hit a consistent jumpshot. Also, with his strengths (dribbling, quickness, and passing), he can face up his defender and penetrate in a position that gives the defense less time to react. If the defense reacts, then Josh can make them pay with his great passing. Someone will be open.

CableKC
07-03-2010, 02:29 PM
I missed it, but did Lance play?

Anthem
07-03-2010, 05:30 PM
Where should he be?
Look, if people are moving around and the PF is briefly at the top of the key, that's fine. But Obie's camping him there. I'd like my power forward somewhere closer to the basket.