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Brian
06-30-2010, 04:59 PM
Sorry I have no link as this was just said on the radio. But they are saying that MIA and TOR are working out the details for a S&T.

You may be able to find some info on realgm.com

Day-V
06-30-2010, 05:21 PM
This is off topic, but in regard to your signature Brian, I sincerely hope that LoneGranger33 knows that Guns & Roses did not say that.......


But anyway, back to Bosh.....while this is probably going to get him the most money, I think he's a way better fit in Chicago or New Jersey.

Kstat
06-30-2010, 05:25 PM
Bosh for Beasley is the only thing I see here.

tadscout
06-30-2010, 05:26 PM
How???

FA/ Negotiations don't start till midnight... then again hasn't stopped everyone and their posse from tampering...

count55
06-30-2010, 05:29 PM
How???

FA/ Negotiations don't start till midnight... then again hasn't stopped everyone and their posse from tampering...

Toronto and Miami could negotiate trades, which is what the rumor is reporting. It is not tampering.

I'm sure Toronto has been working the phones to sort out whether an S&T is in their best interest ever since it became clear that Bosh would not return.

tadscout
06-30-2010, 05:38 PM
Toronto and Miami could negotiate trades, which is what the rumor is reporting. It is not tampering.

I'm sure Toronto has been working the phones to sort out whether an S&T is in their best interest ever since it became clear that Bosh would not return.

Ok... but still Bosh still can't negotiate a contract or talk to Mia till Midnight... correct?

count55
06-30-2010, 05:39 PM
Ok... but still Bosh still can't negotiate a contract or talk to Mia till Midnight... correct?

He would be negotiating the contract with Toronto, with the intent of going to Miami.

tadscout
06-30-2010, 05:43 PM
He would be negotiating the contract with Toronto, with the intent of going to Miami.

Ahh yeah :blush:

I still would think it's short sighted not to check out options first... but then again maybe his talks with Wade was all he needed to hear.

Now if they do S&T for Bosh that would likely get them low enough for another max guy along with Wade and Bosh right?

CableKC
06-30-2010, 05:47 PM
Wierd....I'd think that Bosh wouldn't go anywhere without knowing where Lebron would go. Whose the next Best Big Man that could join Lebron to be the "Pau" to Lebron's "Kobe"? Is it Amare or Boozer?

I just have 1 word for Lebron......it starts with a "M" and ends with a "urphy".

Slick Pinkham
06-30-2010, 05:47 PM
Miami has only two contracts left, I believe, Beasley and Mario Chalmers, given that they released James Jones yesterday, plus thay have draftee rights.

Never underestimate the powers of persuation of Pat Riley.

It will be interesting to see what is left over to fill a roster if Wade, Bosh, and a third free agent all go to Miami. Lots of low-salaried players, no doubt. In future years they can add MLE players, but there is no MLE when you are unde the cap. You can keep adding vet minimum players even if you get over the cap,, though.

Pacers2012
06-30-2010, 05:59 PM
Miami has practically no one to offer for Bosh. From what I hear they can't give Beasley away and only other guy is Chalmers. Toronto has PGs Jack,Calderon,Banks. So while S&T is a must for toronto to salvage something Miami is most likely not their target. Bosh undoubtable wants to be in Miami with wade or in Chicago with Lebron.

Best situation would be S&T with chicago sending Deng and Noah to toronto. Even if there is no Noah in the trade losing Dengs contract would give them 10mil more in cap space. therefore being able to sign Lebron.

count55
06-30-2010, 06:07 PM
Miami has practically no one to offer for Bosh. From what I hear they can't give Beasley away and only other guy is Chalmers. Toronto has PGs Jack,Calderon,Banks. So while S&T is a must for toronto to salvage something Miami is most likely not their target. Bosh undoubtable wants to be in Miami with wade or in Chicago with Lebron.

Best situation would be S&T with chicago sending Deng and Noah to toronto. Even if there is no Noah in the trade losing Dengs contract would give them 10mil more in cap space. therefore being able to sign Lebron.

It's possible that what Miami is willing to "offer" Toronto is a willingness to take on Hedo's contract. That may not be the most likely scenario, but if you aren't going to get LeBron (which I doubt they will), why not take Hedo instead of paying more money for either Gay or Johnson?

So, something like Beasley & future picks for Bosh/Hedo might be very attractive to Toronto.

Slick Pinkham
06-30-2010, 06:25 PM
Miami is under the cap, so they could just offer Toronto Michael Beasley, some draft picks, and rights to players that they just drafted. No matching of salaries is needed. Something is better than nothing, from a Toronto perspective, though I am not sure that Beasley is better than nothing, considering his "issues". I sincerely doubt that Hedo would be going to Miami. That would prevent the Heat from getting a third free agent (Bosh, Wade, X) of any substance.

count55
06-30-2010, 06:31 PM
Miami is under the cap, so they could just offer Toronto Michael Beasley, some draft picks, and rights to players that they just drafted. No matching of salaries is needed. Something is better than nothing, from a Toronto perspective, though I am not sure that Beasley is better than nothing, considering his "issues". I sincerely doubt that Hedo would be going to Miami. That would prevent the Heat from getting a third free agent (Bosh, Wade, X) of any substance.

If you take LeBron out of the equation, and you've already got your big guy, then are Gay or Joe Johnson of any more substance than Hedo? Are you going to be able to get them any cheaper?

Justin Tyme
06-30-2010, 06:36 PM
Miami is under the cap, so they could just offer Toronto Michael Beasley, some draft picks, and rights to players that they just drafted. No matching of salaries is needed. Something is better than nothing, from a Toronto perspective, though I am not sure that Beasley is better than nothing, considering his "issues". I sincerely doubt that Hedo would be going to Miami. That would prevent the Heat from getting a third free agent (Bosh, Wade, X) of any substance.


This is exactly why being under the cap is great. You can get a player by being able to be under the cap and not have to take a bad contract like Turk's to make the deal work.

tadscout
06-30-2010, 06:39 PM
Sources said the Raptors will try to acquire draft picks and young players in return for Bosh. They would likely ask for forward Michael Beasley and point guard Mario Chalmers in any deal with the Miami Heat. If Bosh were to go to the Chicago Bulls, the Raptors like forward Taj Gibson and center Joakim Noah, though Noah could prove impossible to pry from Chicago. If Bosh settles on the New York Knicks, the Raptors would try to engage in a double sign-and-trade that sends Knicks forward David Lee to Toronto.

LINK- Raptors look at Bosh sign-and-trade options (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AgIB2kj4wqWeK3FAOb.ZYNu8vLYF?slug=ys-boshwade062910)

vnzla81
06-30-2010, 06:43 PM
I still don't understand why Cleveland is not doing anything to keep Lebron, if I was them I would send Varejao, JJ and whoever they want for Bosh.

I would also send Jamison for Hedo.

By the way does anybody here think that Lebron moving to another team and the rumor about his mom dating one of his teammates has any coincidence?

Kstat
06-30-2010, 06:44 PM
Cleveland isn't doing anything because they CAN'T do anything.

They can't just trade for Bosh. He would have to want to come to Cleveland, and why would he do that, when they already have Jamison at PF and no LeBron?

The Cavs used their last bullet on Jamison. They have no options left.

vnzla81
06-30-2010, 06:46 PM
This is exactly why being under the cap is great. You can get a player by being able to be under the cap and not have to take a bad contract like Turk's to make the deal work.

actually this is exactly were teams make mistakes, Toronto wants to move Hedo and Miami has the cap space to get him, I am pretty sure that Toronto is pushing hard to make Bosh and Hedo a package.

Kstat
06-30-2010, 06:48 PM
actually this is exactly were teams make mistakes, Toronto wants to move Hedo and Miami has the cap space to get him, I am pretty sure that Toronto is pushing hard to make Bosh and Hedo a package.

No, they can't. It's illegal under the CBA to sign and trade a player in a package with another player.

vnzla81
06-30-2010, 06:56 PM
No, they can't. It's illegal under the CBA to sign and trade a player in a package with another player.

yeah I forgot about that :blush:


so what do you think about my question related to Lebron?

Pacers2012
06-30-2010, 07:13 PM
It's possible that what Miami is willing to "offer" Toronto is a willingness to take on Hedo's contract. That may not be the most likely scenario, but if you aren't going to get LeBron (which I doubt they will), why not take Hedo instead of paying more money for either Gay or Johnson?

So, something like Beasley & future picks for Bosh/Hedo might be very attractive to Toronto.

NO WAY Miami takes Hedo's contract. He had one good season in Orlando. From what i've heard from writers and many fans is Hedo is hung over every game almost. I mean come on last season he sat out a game then it was learned that he was out drinking all night at a club. So to over pay Hedo and put him in miami with so many temptaions I would rather have Beasley a guy with a moderate contract who just hasn't lived up to where he was drafted at No.2

Kstat
06-30-2010, 07:32 PM
yeah I forgot about that :blush:


so what do you think about my question related to Lebron?

I think that Delonte west would be gone tomorrow if LeBron made that a condition on his coming back.

pwee31
06-30-2010, 09:05 PM
I've felt Bosh to Miami would be the move he made as well. I expect the Heat to also eat a contract as well, my guess is a PG, not Hedo. It's weird b/c both teams have leverage to an extent b/c the Heat can threaten to sign him out right, and the Raptors can threaten to S&T elsewhere. Of course it will all come down to where Bosh wants to go.

It will likely be Jack or Calderon trade with Bosh. My guess is Calderon due to the contract, but Bosh may have a say in that as well which could lead to Jack.

What pieces the Heat send back is unknown since they don't have many under contract. They'll likely send a future pick or 2.

Pacers2012
06-30-2010, 09:19 PM
No, they can't. It's illegal under the CBA to sign and trade a player in a package with another player.

rules wont let that happen. team with the best shot would be the bulls for deng and noah

tadscout
06-30-2010, 09:24 PM
rules wont let that happen. team with the best shot would be the bulls for deng and noah

The team with the best shot to land Bosh is the team the Bosh wants to go too...

Toronto is trying to salvage something from nothing.

1984
06-30-2010, 09:30 PM
Signing Turk was the smartest thing Toronto has ever done. Personally I think the Raptors should become a vacuum for international players. It is hard for a Canadian city to keep American-born players. However, I think that Toronto has an appeal to international players. Perhaps you could say it is a little more global than many, not all, NBA cities?

On the Chicago subject: I think coaching is a large issue. Besides, Chicago is most likely focused on LeBron. I think Miami is wise to chase after the "scraps" while everyone is pursuing LeBron.

count55
07-01-2010, 10:40 AM
No, they can't. It's illegal under the CBA to sign and trade a player in a package with another player.

No, it's not.

vnzla81
07-01-2010, 10:43 AM
No, it's not.

so what is it? :confused:

count55
07-01-2010, 10:49 AM
Yes. RT @toothpicksray: Can a player in an S&T be packaged with another player...example: could Bosh be packaged with Hedo? 17 minutes ago via TweetDeck

Larry Coon


http://twitter.com/LarryCoon/status/17496220354

wintermute
07-01-2010, 11:10 AM
count is right. i can remember several trades where a s&t player was included as part of the package. it happened in the gasol trade (lakers s&t aaron mckie) and the kidd trade (mavs s&t keith van horn).

Pacersalltheway10
07-01-2010, 11:13 AM
I don't see Bosh going anywhere with Lebron or wade. He's already said he doesn't want to be an "addition". He wants to be the guy.

pizza guy
07-01-2010, 11:19 AM
If these guys were smart, they'd try to hook up with one of the "2nd tier" guys. Lebron and Amare or Boozer. Bosh and Joe Johnson. You can put a #1 with a #2 (Kobe & Gasol), or multiple #2s together (Boston's Big Three), but to have a couple of #1s will always fall apart.

--pizza

Pacersalltheway10
07-01-2010, 11:52 AM
Can a sign and trade be a 3 team deal?

NYentre
07-01-2010, 11:55 AM
Cleveland isn't doing anything because they CAN'T do anything.

They can't just trade for Bosh. He would have to want to come to Cleveland, and why would he do that, when they already have Jamison at PF and no LeBron?

The Cavs used their last bullet on Jamison. They have no options left.


Isn't Jamison a free agent?

count55
07-01-2010, 11:58 AM
Can a sign and trade be a 3 team deal?

Yes.

Basically, a player in a sign & trade is treated under all of the rules of pretty much any other trade.

As long as the contract meets the requirements for an S&T (minimum of 3 years, with the first guaranteed), then the player becomes just another contract that has to fit into the deal.

Justin Tyme
07-01-2010, 12:10 PM
I've felt Bosh to Miami would be the move he made as well. I expect the Heat to also eat a contract as well, my guess is a PG, not Hedo. It's weird b/c both teams have leverage to an extent b/c the Heat can threaten to sign him out right, and the Raptors can threaten to S&T elsewhere. Of course it will all come down to where Bosh wants to go.

It will likely be Jack or Calderon trade with Bosh. My guess is Calderon due to the contract, but Bosh may have a say in that as well which could lead to Jack.

What pieces the Heat send back is unknown since they don't have many under contract. They'll likely send a future pick or 2.


Everyone keeps talking about teams S&T players, but ,as you alluded to, the
player being S&T has to agree to the deal. If the player doesn't want to be traded to a team he doesn't have to give his ok to the trade.

I get the feeling many posters don't understand a S&T can't happen w/o the player giving his ok to the trade. No ok no trade. The player is a FA who can deterrmine where he wants to play.

diamonddave00
07-01-2010, 12:13 PM
With the Heat now far under the cap they can just trade the Raptors back the Raptors own #1 in 2011 and say Canadian native Joel Anthony for Chris Bosh.

This creates a close to 16 mil trade exemption for the Raptors to use to fill Bosh's spot and up grade other areas of their roster.