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Psyren
06-25-2010, 02:29 PM
Okay, so I understand the frustration a lot of us have with Larry Bird in regards to not executing a trade, especially one for a point guard. But was this draft really that big of a disappointment as some have made it seem?

This was an extremely weak point guard draft, with only 3 first round talents, one of which was John Wall. That leaves us with the option of either Avery Bradley or Eric Bledsoe, neither of which I valued very highly at all. Taking either of them at 10 would have been a huge risk, and I can see the complaints flying had we taken either of them.

That leads us to our potential trade options.

1. Eric Maynor/21/26 for 10
or
21/26 for 10

Sure, this deal may not have been all that bad, but honestly, Maynor is a backup point guard. I don't think he truly has the talent to be a starter, but maybe I'm wrong. At 18 and 21 James Anderson and Craig Brackins were available, and while I like them both, I still don't see us having a legit point guard.

*Edit, OKC wanted to keep Maynor, so you can take him off. (Thanks to HanSolo)

2. The Jonny Flynn deal

David Kahn proved once again why he may be the worst GM in the entire NBA. After calling out the Pacers and their front office on certain deals, nothing was going to get done with them anyways. I like Flynn, but I don't know if he's the PG of the future. He reminds me too much of TJ 2.0

3. Ty Lawson

Again, another player who reminds me too much of TJ. He's a bit stronger, but seems to be another shoot first, pass second point guard who I don't believe was the PG of the future, and paying the 10th pick seemed to be a steep price.

4. Darren Collison/Emeka Okafor for 10/Rush/Ford or Murphy

Okay, so I agree this was the deal we maybe should have made. I don't know who we'd throw in, but of those possibilities, I don't really care. I'd be open to trading all of them. But when you look at it, we have just as good of a chance of getting them now, while still keeping the 10th pick and having Paul George be a potential stud. We can still land Collison for point guard of the future, and even though I hate Okafor's contract, I like him up front with Hibby.

Recap:

I think this was a good draft, and with all of our expirers left, plus the increasingly annoying Brandon Rush, we can still get a great point guard while drafting two studs with George and Stephenson.

Maybe I'm wrong, and that's ok. But don't bash Larry for not getting you a mediocre point guard in a weak point guard draft. We got talent. We got athleticism. We've got expirers :happydanc and we have time to get a great point guard.

That is all

BornReady
06-25-2010, 02:33 PM
none of these deals were available during the draft
OKC wanted to keep Maynor and trade us the 21 and 26 pick (where both Bradley and Bledsoe were gone)
Kahn is an idiot
Ty Lawson was not for trade..Denver straight up said that
I still feel like there's potential for a NO trade :)

pacers_heath
06-25-2010, 02:35 PM
We don't need a point guard this season. Our goal is to eventually win the championship and all getting one of those point guards on the table now would get us is maybe 38-39 wins and the 8th seed AT BEST, while leaving us with no real long term PG solution. We'll get a PG when there is a good one available and when we are actually planning on making a playoff run.

Psyren
06-25-2010, 02:38 PM
none of these deals were available during the draft
OKC wanted to keep Maynor and trade us the 21 and 26 pick (where both Bradley and Bledsoe were gone)
Kahn is an idiot
Ty Lawson was not for trade..Denver straight up said that
I still feel like there's potential for a NO trade :)
Very true, maybe none were available DURING the draft, but at one point they were all at least allegedly discussed.

But I agree, NO is a possibility still in my mind :dance:

btowncolt
06-25-2010, 02:40 PM
Are you asking why people are upset that the Pacers don't have a quality starting point guard in general, as the title suggests, or are you asking why people are upset they didn't come out of the 2010 NBA Draft with a point guard to add to the roster as the bulk of your post would suggest?

If the former, it's tough to win games without one. If the latter.......probably the same answer actually (though who really knows what, if any players, were available outside of this year's supposedly weak draft prospects).

Kegboy
06-25-2010, 02:41 PM
We don't need a point guard this season.

Yep, we'll just play Rush at point and that'll be that. It's not like anybody cares about next season anyway. Except for the six people who still get tickets, but that's their own damn fault. [/green]

Psyren
06-25-2010, 02:42 PM
Are you asking why people are upset that the Pacers don't have a quality starting point guard in general, as the title suggests, or are you asking why people are upset they didn't come out of the 2010 NBA Draft with a point guard to add to the roster as the bulk of your post would suggest?

If the former, it's tough to win games without one. If the latter.......probably the same answer actually (though who really knows what, if any players, were available outside of this year's supposedly weak draft prospects).
My apologies for a vague title. But the question is, Why is everyone upset at not acquiring a PG out of the draft or a trade?

btowncolt
06-25-2010, 02:45 PM
My apologies for a vague title. But the question is, Why is everyone upset at not acquiring a PG out of the draft or a trade?

No worries - just wanted to make sure I knew what you were going for.

I generally agree with you - if there was a decent option actually available, I get the impression that the front office's desperation has sunk to the point where they would have made a move. But they're not going to make a deal so completely lopsided that they just sold the farm for a mediocre player. You're better off just trying to stockpile more talent with your picks and making a trade later. It's not like the Pacers are so talent-laden that they can start making picks based solely on need.

BobbyMac
06-25-2010, 02:45 PM
Im not upset, yet. I will be upset if we don't have a servicable point guard by the opening of training camp.

QuickRelease
06-25-2010, 07:21 PM
I think it's time to nail this position down for awhile. The season-to-season thing isn't good for such a critical position.

maragin
06-25-2010, 07:38 PM
Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?

Because we don't have a Point Guard.

idioteque
06-25-2010, 07:43 PM
I think we'll likely get someone who we at least think is multi-season solution this offseason.

I also don't necessarily think we need a really young point guard. If we can calculate with some certainty that Andre Miller has three good years left, I'd consider trading for him. A smart veteran like that would enormously help the development of all of our young talent. We've never had the pleasure of seeing even Granger play with an above average point guard. Once Dre retires and then you find a way to bring in a young PG who can be brought into his own sort of like Rondo did but older, more experienced talent.

Really?
06-25-2010, 08:27 PM
Thanks as I have said before I don't feel that any of the PG's that we could have gotten will get us to out ultimate goal of winning a championship... The playoffs mean nothing to me if you know that you have no chance to win it all..

We will get the point that we want in time, don't you know when you rush something it always ends up BAD.... Be patient Pacer Fans

odeez
06-25-2010, 08:31 PM
We will get a new starting PG for next season, but it's going to take some patience. Of course some folks will be upset, and for good reason, we have all gone through some serious pain over the last few seasons and we're sick and tired of losing. But I am just going with patience on this one and the thought that a deal will happen. There is plenty of time and it is probably wiser to wait and see what happens with free agency anyways.

I know how bad everyone wants to be a winner again. So I can totally dig some folks being upset, they will continue to be until we win again. I am not upset, I am happy with draft and look forward to Summer League. This is a business and making deals is not easy. Bird is being patient and waiting for the right move. We will make something happen once things start to level off after Lebron decides where he's going. Everything will follow that, IMO.

To be honest I don't know who we will get? I think patiences is the way to go, enjoy that we drafted a great player in Paul George and wait till mid July we should know a whole lot more then.

Justin Tyme
06-25-2010, 08:36 PM
Im not upset, yet. I will be upset if we don't have a servicable point guard by the opening of training camp.


The Pacers have a serviceable PG, but most just don't want him rendering his services.

IndyPacer
06-25-2010, 10:04 PM
I'm not upset, so not "everyone" is. There just weren't a lot of great opportunities available to upgrade at PG in this draft, and I don't want our team gimped by a lopsided desperation trade for a mediocre PG. Our most pressing need right now is adding talent, not adding a mediocre PG.

We still have room for improvement through trades of expiring contracts. The recent trades we've seen should have taught us all that teams will do surprising things to shed salary. We should be waiting for that type of deal, not trading off our picks and young players and ending up with an even weaker team.

pwee31
06-25-2010, 10:04 PM
Sorry if this is buried elsewhere

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16602


The 2010 NBA Draft is over and the basketball world is shifting their attention to free agency, which is now less than one week away. The appetizer was great but everyone is patiently waiting for the main entrée.

But before free agency kicks off on July 1, could we see more movement from teams in the form of trades? After last night, fourteen deals had been completed and several others could be consummated in the coming days. Several situations that received a lot of attention heading into draft night could be could be back in the headlines very soon.

The Indiana Pacers were actively shopping the tenth overall pick for a point guard heading into the draft but after talks for Jonny Flynn, Eric Maynor, Darren Collison, George Hill, Ty Lawson, and others broke down, they decided to draft Paul George. But don't be surprised if the team continues talks in the coming days to fill that vacant point guard spot.

Sources say that while the Pacers have inquired about several free agent point guards, the team is first looking at what is available in terms of trades. In the days leading up to the draft, Indiana was willing to package Troy Murphy with the tenth overall pick in an effort to get a deal done so the Pacers are serious about finding their point guard of the future. Don't be surprised if Indiana resumes trade talks with several teams and eventually lands their floor general.

Another team that was involved in many crazy rumors on draft night was the Orlando Magic. While Magic fans were still drooling over a potential Chris Paul trade, it seems a more realistic deal to wrap their head around could be coming. Multiple sources say that the Magic have discussed a deal with the Washington Wizards that would swap Vince Carter for Kirk Hinrich, Randy Foye, and Al Thornton.

The Wizards first inquired about Carter on Wednesday, initiating the brief Arenas for Carter talks. While the deal couldn't be completed until July, it could be consummated in coming days and may involve a third team. But there are other options on the table for Orlando as well. Otis Smith told reporters in Orlando that he has talked with all but three teams (Milwaukee, Chicago, and Phoenix) in recent days and even mentioned that he had a brief discussion with the Toronto Raptors about Hedo Turkoglu. After selecting Daniel Orton with the twenty-ninth pick, Marcin Gortat now seems more expendable than ever.

Nobody is sure what's next for the Magic but everyone is patiently waiting for news. Most of the players are keeping up with the rumors and hearing of the potential trades, according to text messages, and the message boards are blowing up in anticipation of a trade. The ball is in Otis' court and many are expecting him to make a move.

One final scenario that received significant press heading into the draft was that the Detroit Pistons were looking to move up to DeMarcus Cousins. Sources say that Joe Dumars hasn't given up hope and will make one last run to pry Cousins from Sacramento.

Other players who could be moved shortly include Hedo Turkoglu, Al Jefferson, Michael Beasley, Monta Ellis, Rudy Fernandez, and Leandro Barbosa if the right deal comes along.

If you thought the days leading up to the draft were crazy, the rumors and movement in the coming weeks may just exceed that.

bphil
06-25-2010, 10:27 PM
Now that the 2010 draft is over, it's time to start looking toward the 2011 draft. Anyone know what kind of PG talent will be available next year?

Smell The Glove
06-25-2010, 10:30 PM
One option for the Pacers will be a sign & trade. Here is the list of soon-to-be free agents PGs. Are there any interesting ones? Felton perhaps? Ridnour? Blake? Is Shaun Livingston healthy? He was playing starter minutes the end of last season.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16181


Point Guards:
Raymond Felton (Unrestricted)
Luke Ridnour (Unrestricted)
Steve Blake (Unrestricted)
Chris Duhon (Unrestricted)
C.J. Watson (Restricted)
Kyle Lowry (Restricted)
T.J. Ford (player option for '10-'11 - owed 8.5 million)
J.J. Barea (Team Option - $1.8 million)
Nate Robinson (Unrestricted)
Mario Chalmers (Team Option)
Shaun Livingston (Unrestricted)
Sergio Rodriquez (Knicks can make QO – likely Unrestricted)
Earl Watson (Unrestricted)
Keyon Dooling (Team Option)
Jordan Farmar (Restricted)
Will Bynum (Restricted)
Derek Fisher (Unrestricted)
Mardy Collins (Restricted)
Sebastian Telfair (Player Option)
Marcus Williams (Restricted)
Speedy Claxton (Unrestricted)
Anthony Carter (Unrestricted)
Rafer Alston (Unrestricted)
Antonio Daniels (Unrestricted)
Acie Law (Unrestricted)
Travis Diener (Unrestricted)
Jannero Pargo (Unrestricted)
Chris Quinn (Unrestricted)
Mike James (Unrestricted)
Kevin Ollie (Unrestricted)
Jason Hart (Unrestricted)
Javaris Crittenton (Unrestricted)
Jason Williams (Unrestricted)
Sundiata Gaines (Unrestricted)
Carlos Arroyo (Unrestricted)
Bobby Brown (Unrestricted)
Jamaal Tinsley (Unrestricted)
Lester Hudson (Unrestricted)
Royal Ivey (Unrestricted)
Earl Boykins (Unrestricted)
Patrick Mills (Restricted)
Anthony Johnson (Unrestricted)
Chucky Atkins (Unrestricted)

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16181#ixzz0rvDjh18b

Trophy
06-25-2010, 10:37 PM
At this point I wouldn't mind bringing in Okafor if it means getting Collison and giving up one of our expiring contracts.

Okafor can play PF and defend the post well which is what we want/need.

Murphy and Rush for Collison and Okafor. Take it or leave it New Orleans!

tadscout
06-25-2010, 10:38 PM
Sources say that while the Pacers have inquired about several free agent point guards, the team is first looking at what is available in terms of trades. In the days leading up to the draft, Indiana was willing to package Troy Murphy with the tenth overall pick in an effort to get a deal done so the Pacers are serious about finding their point guard of the future. Don't be surprised if Indiana resumes trade talks with several teams and eventually lands their floor general.

So now sounds like it's time to shop Murph and Rush... (N.O. deal :pray:)

Smell The Glove
06-25-2010, 10:39 PM
Now that the 2010 draft is over, it's time to start looking toward the 2011 draft. Anyone know what kind of PG talent will be available next year?

http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft

Mr_Smith
06-25-2010, 11:01 PM
Its not over yet....theres still a chance to get a point guard in here. I'm positive something will happen since price is hurt and T.J. Ford losing the teams confidence

McKeyFan
06-25-2010, 11:20 PM
The Pacers have a serviceable PG, but most just don't want him rendering his services.

No, we have a serviceable mouseketeer shooting guard.

Ozwalt72
06-25-2010, 11:29 PM
Larry Bird walks through the door to Mysterious GM A.

"Hi there, we are interested in Point Guard A."

Other GM: "How do I know you are serious?"

/Larry leans forward with a serious look and pulls out a Troy Murphy trading card. "We're bringin the big guns."

*silence as larry stares into the eyes of this GM, and toward the end of the moment his serious look slowly becomes his goofy press conference smile.

pizza guy
06-26-2010, 12:06 AM
At this point I wouldn't mind bringing in Okafor if it means getting Collison and giving up one of our expiring contracts.

Okafor can play PF and defend the post well which is what we want/need.

Murphy and Rush for Collison and Okafor. Take it or leave it New Orleans!

I don't think I can explain how quickly I'd make this deal.

--pizza

Day-V
06-26-2010, 12:08 AM
Why is everyone upset we don't have a Point Guard?

Because people always have to have something to b*tch about.

Psyren
06-26-2010, 12:24 AM
One option for the Pacers will be a sign & trade. Here is the list of soon-to-be free agents PGs. Are there any interesting ones? Felton perhaps? Ridnour? Blake? Is Shaun Livingston healthy? He was playing starter minutes the end of last season.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16181


Point Guards:
Raymond Felton (Unrestricted)
Luke Ridnour (Unrestricted)
Steve Blake (Unrestricted)
Chris Duhon (Unrestricted)
C.J. Watson (Restricted)
Kyle Lowry (Restricted)
T.J. Ford (player option for '10-'11 - owed 8.5 million)
J.J. Barea (Team Option - $1.8 million)
Nate Robinson (Unrestricted)
Mario Chalmers (Team Option)
Shaun Livingston (Unrestricted)
Sergio Rodriquez (Knicks can make QO – likely Unrestricted)
Earl Watson (Unrestricted)
Keyon Dooling (Team Option)
Jordan Farmar (Restricted)
Will Bynum (Restricted)
Derek Fisher (Unrestricted)
Mardy Collins (Restricted)
Sebastian Telfair (Player Option)
Marcus Williams (Restricted)
Speedy Claxton (Unrestricted)
Anthony Carter (Unrestricted)
Antonio Daniels (Unrestricted)
Acie Law (Unrestricted)
Travis Diener (Unrestricted)
Jannero Pargo (Unrestricted)
Chris Quinn (Unrestricted)
Mike James (Unrestricted)
Kevin Ollie (Unrestricted)
Jason Hart (Unrestricted)
Javaris Crittenton (Unrestricted)
Jason Williams (Unrestricted)
Sundiata Gaines (Unrestricted)
Carlos Arroyo (Unrestricted)
Bobby Brown (Unrestricted)
Jamaal Tinsley (Unrestricted)
Lester Hudson (Unrestricted)
Royal Ivey (Unrestricted)
Earl Boykins (Unrestricted)
Patrick Mills (Restricted)
Anthony Johnson (Unrestricted)
Chucky Atkins (Unrestricted)

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16181#ixzz0rvDjh18b
The 4 that I highlighted would be the ones I'd like to have the most. I don't know if they're all realistic, but here it goes.

I can't say Felton is super high on my list, but if a sign in trade doesn't come along, I wouldn't mind giving Felton a shot.

Nate Robinson is a guy I've liked for a while now. He's not so much a traditional point guard, and shoots too much. Ok, so what if he's not at all what we need? I like him :D

Shaun Livingston played very well last year. Yes, he's injury prone. But he really can play, and last year proved it, although the Wiz may pick him back up.

And to end it, Earl Watson. He was more than decent last year, and I thought did a great job running the team as a vet. He's no long term solution, but I wouldn't mind having him back.

Sparhawk
06-26-2010, 12:24 AM
Because people always have to have something to b*tch about.

Of course. We would be bored otherwise.

jeffg-body
06-26-2010, 12:39 AM
I don't understand as well. Just because the P's didn't land their PG at the draft means very little. S&T seems the best option right now, especially with our expirings. I would really push hard for a young PG such as Lawson or another PG with potential. As long as Hibbert and Danny are never included in that trade I would be ok.

On the other hand, if we could pry possibly a Derek Fisher or even Andre Miller from their prospective teams to be a leader for a year or two and draft the PG we need in the next draft we'd be good.

BornReady
06-26-2010, 12:54 AM
pardon my ignorance, but what is wrong with Raymond Felton? I always thought he was a solid pg.