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Taterhead
06-08-2010, 06:49 PM
Pacers

Outgoing
Troy Murphy
TJ Ford
Jeff Foster
Dahntay Jones
2011 Unprotected 1st Round Pick

Incoming
Elton Brand
Andre Igoudala
Ricky Rubio (rights)

Why?

Well we get exactly what we need, a major influx of talent to create some excitement in this city for basketball again. Igoudala is a 26 year old SG with a world of talent that fits in great with Granger. And getting the rights to Rubio eases the pain of taking on Elton Brand and his salary. It is a lot of salary to commit to on our end, but Igoudala is likely better than anybody we'd sign in 2011 anyways. And Elton Brand is a pretty descent big to throw in the rotation down low, despite his salary. Snagging Rubio also makes losing the 2011 pick insignificant, as he's planning on coming over after next season. Also shedding Dahntay Jones salary off the books gives us a little breathing room under the tax. And we did it without giving up #10.

Philadelphia

Outgoing
Elton Brand
Andre Igoudala
Evan Turner (2nd Pick)

Incoming
Troy Murphy
TJ Ford
Jeff Foster
4th Pick (from Minny)
2011 Unprotected 1st Round Pick (from Indiana)

Why?

They get exactly what they want. To blow the team up and start over. They get rid of two guys they have tried to trade recently, clear minutes for their young players, and set themselves up for 2011 with over 30 million in cap room plus 2 first round picks, plus keep a top 5 pick in this draft. They will struggle mightily next year, but they were going to anyways. Atleast with this approach, they set themselves up for a quick turn around. And they only drop 2 spots in this years draft.

Minnesota
Outgoing
4th Pick
Ricky Rubio (rights)
Incoming
Dahntay Jones
2nd Pick

They want Turner bad. Getting him without taking on Elton Brand is a huge coup for them. And that is probably the only way they can get him. So we take on Brands salary for them, with Rubio being our prize for that. Rubio doesn't want to be there anyways. They also get Dahntay Jones from us who gives them a nice defender off the bench at a low salary at a position of need for them.

BBALL56HACKER
06-08-2010, 07:04 PM
No way pacers would do this. pick up to much $$$$$$ .

CooperManning
06-08-2010, 09:10 PM
The reason Philly might not draft Turner is because he's a lot like Igoudala (likes the ball in his hands, good scorer but not a 3-point shooter). If they move Igoduala, they'd love to have Turner. There's no way neither Igoduala or Turner will be on Philly's roster when the season starts. In all likelihood, they both will be.

Taterhead
06-09-2010, 02:35 PM
The reason Philly might not draft Turner is because he's a lot like Igoudala (likes the ball in his hands, good scorer but not a 3-point shooter). If they move Igoduala, they'd love to have Turner. There's no way neither Igoduala or Turner will be on Philly's roster when the season starts. In all likelihood, they both will be.

Remember they were open to trading Iggy a few months ago for cap relief before they even had any idea they could get Turner to replace him.

Taterhead
06-09-2010, 03:13 PM
No way pacers would do this. pick up to much $$$$$$ .

I don't really understand this line of thinking.

1. The trade as structured shaves off almost 2.7 off next years payroll.
2. When we do finally have cap space, the plan is to spend it right? Well if we can snag a player of Igoudala's caliber after next season I'd be thrilled, especially at his current salary. But I am very skeptical we actually can.
3. After next season our payroll would decrease considerably with the departures of Solomon Jones and Mike Dunleavy. Leaving us in a very stable place financially. Sure we would be over the cap, but comfortably under the tax.
4. I personally think Elton Brand can return to form. People have written him off, but the fact is he is just a bad fit in Philly. Combined with the injuries which he seems to be past now. The problem in Philly has been no outside shooting. We have that here with Granger and Dunleavy. I think he would play much better here.

Plus the thing being forgotten is Rubio and his affect on this franchise. He would bring much needed attention to this struggling franchise. He would also have a Yao Ming affect, opening up a market for the Pacers to make money overseas, which is much needed at this point.

CooperManning
06-09-2010, 04:39 PM
Remember they were open to trading Iggy a few months ago for cap relief before they even had any idea they could get Turner to replace him.

But they need cap relief because of Brand, who they also get rid of in your scenario. Let's just say they could hypothetically do a simple trade of Brand + #2 to Minnesota for #4 and Ryan Gomes with Minnesota just absorbing Brand's contract to get the #2. We might as well assume that the Pacers and Timberwolves are equally willing (or unwilling) to take on Brand's massive contract since Bird has explicitly said that he wouldn't take back a big contract in a trade.

So since in both of our trades Philly loses #2 and Brand to gain #4 and other players, the question becomes, who would you rather have to help build your franchise: Murphy, Ford, Foster, and the Pacers' 2011 pick (we'll say #16 overall) or Igoduala and Gomes? Ford and Foster are for the most part worthless, so Murphy + #16 or Igoudala and Gomes?

Holiday/Green
Williams/Kapono
Igoduala/Gomes
Speights/Young
Cousins/Dalembert

2011 cap #: Approx. $29 million

vs.

Holiday/Ford
Williams/Green
Young/Kapono + 2011 #16
Murphy/Speights
Cousins/Dalembert/Foster

2011 cap #: Approx. $17 million


I think almost anyone goes with option #1. The cap number is higher, but the 2011 free agent class isn't great, so they wouldn't be spending all of their money anyway.

Taterhead
06-09-2010, 05:21 PM
But they need cap relief because of Brand, who they also get rid of in your scenario. Let's just say they could hypothetically do a simple trade of Brand + #2 to Minnesota for #4 and Ryan Gomes with Minnesota just absorbing Brand's contract to get the #2. We might as well assume that the Pacers and Timberwolves are equally willing (or unwilling) to take on Brand's massive contract since Bird has explicitly said that he wouldn't take back a big contract in a trade.

So since in both of our trades Philly loses #2 and Brand to gain #4 and other players, the question becomes, who would you rather have to help build your franchise: Murphy, Ford, Foster, and the Pacers' 2011 pick (we'll say #16 overall) or Igoduala and Gomes? Ford and Foster are for the most part worthless, so Murphy + #16 or Igoudala and Gomes?

Holiday/Green
Williams/Kapono
Igoduala/Gomes
Speights/Young
Cousins/Dalembert

2011 cap #: Approx. $29 million

vs.

Holiday/Ford
Williams/Green
Young/Kapono + 2011 #16
Murphy/Speights
Cousins/Dalembert/Foster

2011 cap #: Approx. $17 million


I think almost anyone goes with option #1. The cap number is higher, but the 2011 free agent class isn't great, so they wouldn't be spending all of their money anyway.

Ok you're right, but that is not their choice here. No way Minnesota takes Brand under any circumstances. It doesn't make any sense for them. They would much rather stay at 4 and just take Johnson or Cousins, plus hold on to whatever else getting Turner would cost them. Thats why I included them in the deal in the first place, Rubio is in exchange for us taking on Brand for them.

Murphy, Foster and Ford are all one year stop gaps for cap relief. 25 million dollars in extra cap space is worth a lot on the trade market.