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Kegboy
06-08-2010, 09:17 AM
You know, I do my best to ignore this stuff, but it's gotten to the point where I think it's serious.

What the hell is going on?

You've got the Big 12 threatening Nebraska and Missouri, you've got Texas threatening to go West and take the entire Big 12 south with them, and you've got the Big 10 talking to Austin and Storrs and just about every frakin' school in between. I just read a blog on IndyStar (from a J&C writer, natch) saying the only way to stop Armageddon is if ND would just wise up and join the Big 10, before the Pac 10, Big 10, and ACC go hexadecimal and the Irish don't have a Big East to play in anymore.

:brainmelt:

I guess I should have seen this coming when freaking Boston College went to the ACC. And don't get me started about the Big Ten Network. I don't care how much money it makes, the things a joke. Does anybody watch this? Anybody? No wonder it makes so much money, all it is is a bunch of junk shot by the school's Comm kids for free, and then they charge us an arm and a leg for it. Aaarghhh!

Anyway, I digress. Thoughts?

[edit] I just realized, with my hexadecimal comment, the Big 10 has to expand. It's the only way to make their moniker fit. Right now they're the Big 0xB. (Can you tell I'm studying IPv6?)

:crazy2:

Trader Joe
06-08-2010, 09:23 AM
It's pretty interesting that's for sure. I think Texas holds all the cards. They are a cash gold mine, and of course Notre Dame also has a lot of power from a financial standpoint, but I think everyone is tired of their posturing and waiting on them to finally commit.

I think it's incredibly interesting that the two conferences who have been ripped on relentlessly recently for being weak (the Big Ten and Pac 10) appear to be in the power positions.

Whereas, the Big 12, who has traditionally been viewed as THE most complete conference is being torn apart from the inside, and the SEC is just kind of hanging out and we haven't heard a single thing from them.

Rupert Stilinski
06-08-2010, 09:32 AM
And don't get me started about the Big Ten Network. I don't care how much money it makes, the things a joke. Does anybody watch this? Anybody? No wonder it makes so much money, all it is is a bunch of junk shot by the school's Comm kids for free, and then they charge us an arm and a leg for it. Aaarghhh!

Anyway, I digress. Thoughts?


I'm a Purdue alum, so naturally I'd be more inclined to watch the Big Ten Network than your average person, but I happen to think it is incredible. When I lived out west I was still able to get my Big Ten fix. Now that I'm back in Indy, I would still see most Purdue games, but now I don't have to worry about it. Every game is televised. I have no complaints, but I would never even consider not having DirecTV in my house, no matter where I live, so the cost does not bother me.

travmil
06-08-2010, 12:23 PM
ND doesn't hold any cards. I know one thing though. The Big East guys absolutely HATE the ACC guys for taking Miami and BC. Let's say Texas bolts to the Pac 10 and takes all of those teams with the. If that happens and I were the SEC, I'd immediately be on the phone getting Florida on board so I could jump in and make Florida State and Miami an offer they can't refuse and get that state locked down. Then the ACC can poach the cream of the crop of what's left of the Big East. That would leave ND with no place to play practically forcing them to join the Big Ten for all sports. The Big Ten then invites Mizzou and Nebraska, maybe Kansas too. The Big 12 dissolves in this scenario leaving one of the lesser conferences like the Mountain West as their most likely destination. Whew! What a whirlwind!

thewholefnshow31
06-08-2010, 04:04 PM
When there was just rumblings about this I knew the Big Ten was going to do something big. They were getting killed because they were not playing that last when when everyone was playing their conference championships and the voters forget the Big Ten teams when it comes to the BCS Bowls. You have to play a conference game becuase voters have the memory of an ant.

As an Indiana resident and ND fan I hope ND smartens up and joins the Big Ten. The Big East is about to be ripped to shreds and all the other sports at ND will suffer just to keep ND football independent. Just bite the bullet and join the Big Ten.

I am suprised that one pull of the thread and the Big 12 would be gone.

I would love to see Miami and Florida State join the SEC. Talk about a power conference.

Stryder
06-09-2010, 06:36 PM
Nebraska has supposedly agreed to join the Big 10.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5268408

Wu-Gambino
06-09-2010, 08:04 PM
So, if I understand this correctly, we will probably see four power conferences of 18 to 20 teams.

Does this mean we might see a Big Ten with:

- Nebraska (already done I suppose)
- Iowa State (instate rivals are in the Big Ten)
- Kansas (considered a Midwestern state, makes more sense than SEC or Pac 10)
- Kansas State (same as Kansas)
- Missouri (same as Kansas)

Then you factor in potential Big East schools, maybe 2 to 4. I'd be guessing the candidates would be:

Notre Dame
Pitt (the two most mentioned with strong basketball and football programs)

Louisville
West Virginia
Cincinnati (not sure if these three are up to the academic standards that the Big Ten claims to be a requirement)

It will be interesting regardless.

avoidingtheclowns
06-09-2010, 08:39 PM
Kansas is in an interesting position - neither the Big Ten nor the Pac-10 seem to have any interest in inviting them to the party (for the moment anyway). I guess it proves that no one making the decisions for these conferences cares about anything but football.

As far as the academic standard goes, all eleven Big Ten schools are members of the Association of American Universities (an organization of 61 leading research universities). I'd guess the schools most likely to be considered by the Big Ten would be too, like: Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Pitt, Rutgers and Syracuse (Vandy and Virginia seem less likely but I suppose could still be considered).

Wu-Gambino
06-09-2010, 08:52 PM
Kansas had a solid football team a few years back; it seems like they would be added for the sake that they have one of the best programs in college basketball historically and currently. Adding them and Kansas State would make the Big Ten right up there with the Big East and ACC for best conference for college basketball.

I am completely ignorant of the finances of college athletics, is college football really the only thing that matters? I know it is the most profitable, but wouldn't basketball matter to some degree?

ilive4sports
06-09-2010, 09:12 PM
Kansas had a solid football team a few years back; it seems like they would be added for the sake that they have one of the best programs in college basketball historically and currently. Adding them and Kansas State would make the Big Ten right up there with the Big East and ACC for best conference for college basketball.

I am completely ignorant of the finances of college athletics, is college football really the only thing that matters? I know it is the most profitable, but wouldn't basketball matter to some degree?

Depends on the school. I know at PSU three sports make money, football, mens bball and i believe the third is womens bball. I wouldnt be surprised is womens volleyball makes money now too. My one teacher did research on this a few years ago so thats when my info is from. The football program brings in enough money to run the entire athletic department though. Thats why they try for 8 home games, a minimum of 7.

My dream list for the Big Ten would be the following:

Texas - most profitable school when it comes to sports and strong in many sports
ND - obvious reasons, plus I would love to beat them on a regular basis.
Nebraska - seems like a good fit, glad they are joining. got a history that will fit in with Big Ten Schools
Missouri - not flashy, but always puts out a solid team
Kansas - mainly want them for basketball. Adding them to the mix would be awesome
Pitt - mainly to shut up their fans that think they are on par with PSU, plus a good bball school
Syracuse - basketball and academics (yes i said academics)

What I think is most realistic is Nebraska (duh), Missouri, Pitt, Syracuse. Kansas depends on if Texas leaves the Big 12. If they do I think the Big Ten is their first spot to land.

Texas is interesting. They could make more money in the Big Ten. But the Pac 10 has USC and playing them regularly is something that is good. Honestly right now I don't see Texas leaving. I don't really know why, but to me it just doesn't seem like they will fit in with either the Pac 10 or Big Ten.

Notre Dame is probably going to be feeling left behind and then will join the Big Ten.

indygeezer
06-10-2010, 05:25 AM
Penn State is part of the Big Ten with no real "hated rival" other than say Ohio State and for the Buckeyes its all about the Wolverines. To boost rivalries and regional interest a Pitt or Syracuse makes sense. Otherwise you have the Lions travelling long distances all the time....Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, etc, whereas those schools are somewhat clustered and only travel to PS occassionally.

This ma sound trite but adding ND would place 3 schools within the same state in the Big 10....would that be seen as too much regional influence?

Stryder
06-10-2010, 07:48 AM
Penn State is part of the Big Ten with no real "hated rival" other than say Ohio State and for the Buckeyes its all about the Wolverines. To boost rivalries and regional interest a Pitt or Syracuse makes sense. Otherwise you have the Lions travelling long distances all the time....Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, etc, whereas those schools are somewhat clustered and only travel to PS occassionally.

This ma sound trite but adding ND would place 3 schools within the same state in the Big 10....would that be seen as too much regional influence?

Here's a breakdown of miles from Indy to other schools.

Indy to Bloomington, IN is 52 miles.
Indy to West Lafayette, IN is 66 miles.
Indy to South Bend, IN is 138 miles.
Indy to Champaign-Urbana, IL is 125 miles.
Indy to Columbus, OH is 175 miles.
Indy to Evanston, IL is 199 miles.
Indy to Lansing, MI is 254 miles.
Indy to Ann Arbor, MI is 277 miles.
Indy to Madison, WI is 331 miles.
Indy to Iowa City, IA is 365 miles.
Indy to State College, PA is 511 miles.
Indy to Minneapolis, MN is 593 miles.
Indy to Lincoln, NE is 641 miles.


I think now to counter balance the geographic disparity, you need to invite a more eastern team.

travmil
06-10-2010, 08:20 AM
The Big 10 wants Rutgers and Syracuse badly so they can break their network into the NYC market. So, Nebraska is already in and the Big 12 is dissolving. Syracuse and Rutgers are going to get invited. I think Rutgers probably accepts straight away and Syracuse thinks about it before deciding to join. So now you're at 14 teams. Then, the best schools in the Big East will all get invites from other conferences. Some will accept, gutting the Big East. This forces ND's hand wo then requests to be invited to the Big Ten party, which is now at 15 teams. The Big Ten can now get to 16 or if it wants 18, by inviting more of the Big 12 teams, Likely Missouri. If they want to get to 18, Kansas and Kansas St. will also get invites.

That's a hell of a conference in both football and basketball if that's how it plays out.

indygeezer
06-10-2010, 11:09 AM
The Big 10 wants Rutgers and Syracuse badly so they can break their network into the NYC market. So, Nebraska is already in and the Big 12 is dissolving. Syracuse and Rutgers are going to get invited. I think Rutgers probably accepts straight away and Syracuse thinks about it before deciding to join. So now you're at 14 teams. Then, the best schools in the Big East will all get invites from other conferences. Some will accept, gutting the Big East. This forces ND's hand wo then requests to be invited to the Big Ten party, which is now at 15 teams. The Big Ten can now get to 16 or if it wants 18, by inviting more of the Big 12 teams, Likely Missouri. If they want to get to 18, Kansas and Kansas St. will also get invites.

That's a hell of a conference in both football and basketball if that's how it plays out.

Go to 20 and have two divisions of 10 and a Conference playoff while preserving the BIG TEN.

Trader Joe
06-10-2010, 11:22 AM
I don't understand why Louisville hasn't been all over trying to join the Big Ten.

Kegboy
06-10-2010, 12:03 PM
ATC hit the nail on the head regarding the AAU. I'm glad that even in a blatant money grab the conference isn't completely selling out.

So, let me see if I can work this out.

East
Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Purdue

West
Northwestern
Illinois
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Nebraska

From there, let's look at the individual sports. For football, I am glad to see a program like Nebraska in the West. A lesser school would have meant Wisconsin dominating one side of an extremely uneven bracket (even though they still might.) Men's basketball, Nebraska is a total non-factor, as Barry Collier can certainly attest to. I just read they have never won an NCAA game. Sure, you can say the same thing about Northwestern, but I think we can agree that if they were in an easier conference they would have gotten to the dance a few times in the last 10 years.

Women's basketball, Nebraska isn't a name program, but they are coming off a conference championship. They have a great baseball program (Purdue's quite thankful they got their new park approved), and one of THE volleyball programs (Penn State probably isn't happy right now). They have storied gymnastic and bowling programs, and a very good track program as well.

All in all a very well-rounded athletic school, with men's basketball as the only real blemish. We know they travel well, I just hope their fans are closer to Ohio State (besides that OH-IO bull**** they are very well behaved) than Wisconsin. Personally I've had very bad experiences with Iowa fans of all people, I sure hope they don't act like their neighbors.

As far as future expansion, I'd love to just stop here, but that's not going to happen. Provided ND still has their head up their ***, I would like to see Missouri and Pitt join, if for no other reason than geographically it makes the most sense. Travel is bad enough for the non-revenue sports already, let's not make it worse.

Actually, Iowa State probably makes more geographic sense than Missouri, but nobody's going to be hit worse by the destruction of the Big 12 than Kansas City (Sprint Center's not gonna be making a profit anymore.) Might as well throw them a bone.

Kegboy
06-10-2010, 12:05 PM
I don't understand why Louisville hasn't been all over trying to join the Big Ten.

Big fish, small pond maybe. They also aren't part of the AAU, and don't have the market potential to make up for that. Personally I'd love to have them over a school on the edges.

Trader Joe
06-10-2010, 12:23 PM
Louisville would be great here, but I agree the AAU seems to be a deciding designation required for acceptance.

Also, Kegboy, I still think the west is ridiculously better than the East in your twelve team scenario.

Trader Joe
06-10-2010, 12:54 PM
First domino falls...

Colorado signs on with the Pac 10

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5271438

avoidingtheclowns
06-10-2010, 12:54 PM
but nobody's going to be hit worse by the destruction of the Big 12 than Kansas City (Sprint Center's not gonna be making a profit anymore.) Might as well throw them a bone.

Aren't we giving them the Pacers?

Kegboy
06-10-2010, 01:44 PM
Louisville would be great here, but I agree the AAU seems to be a deciding designation required for acceptance.

Also, Kegboy, I still think the west is ridiculously better than the East in your twelve team scenario.

Well, yes, IU and Purdue suck so bad at football they do kind of tarnish the others. :(

Kegboy
06-10-2010, 01:45 PM
Aren't we giving them the Pacers?

No, we're trading the Pacers for the Tigers. Pretty fair, IMHO.

Trader Joe
06-10-2010, 01:53 PM
Well, yes, IU and Purdue suck so bad at football they do kind of tarnish the others. :(

I don't think you can have Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan in the same division.

travmil
06-10-2010, 02:10 PM
I don't think you can have Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan in the same division.

Yeah, the Big 10 would want two of those three to get the auto bids every year, and under this setup only one of them makes the title game.

Kegboy
06-10-2010, 04:22 PM
Well, if you're not basing the divisions on geography, then what, alphabetically?

Maybe Penn State should just move to St. Louis.

SycamoreKen
06-10-2010, 04:34 PM
If Missouri and Rutgers come aboard as has been reported that would balance it out more, but the East looks like the Big 12 South does now. If the teams are good enough they will get in big games.

indygeezer
06-10-2010, 04:52 PM
Does it have to be east....west? How's a North ... South division work.

SycamoreKen
06-10-2010, 07:31 PM
http://www.mizzou-bigten.com/mizzou2bigten_map.jpg

North South doesn't make sense to me. The split at the Ind/Ill border looks natural especially if a Big East team + Nebraska are added.

ilive4sports
06-10-2010, 08:49 PM
It will certainly be interesting in how they divide it. Michigan being down right now could help or worsen things for the division of the Big Ten. I mean if you put OSU, PSU and Michigan in the same division, only PSU and OSU have been good the past few years. Iowa has been very good recently and look to keep doing the same, Nebraska is back on the upswing as well. If Nebraska continues to get back to the level they are known for and Michigan stays down the conferences could be pretty balanced. More so than the current Big 12 at least.

But when Michigan returns to the level they are known for it could change things. That would be three power teams in one division. Wisconsin would need to be a consistent threat then too which is possible. It does look like the Indiana/Illinois border would be the best split.

No matter what happens people won't be happy, but in the long run I think it will be better for the Big Ten. Playing at the end of the season will help keep them in the spot light. Remember they went 4-0 with their top teams in the bowl games, 3-0 in the top ten. Adding programs like Nebraska, Missouri, and a Pitt/Cuse/Rutgers will only strengthen things.

Of Pitt/Cuse/Rutgers I want Pitt. Finally gives PSU a rival. Whoever comes from those three will be our new rival most likely. I think the Big Ten really wants Rutgers for the NY market though.

Trader Joe
06-10-2010, 09:31 PM
Couldn't you break it up randomly in theory?

I don't know east-west is easiest. I'm just wondering what happens if Michigan returns to being a top program in football, which I guess at some point they probably will.

Kegboy
06-10-2010, 10:27 PM
As long as they don't put the Colts in the AFC South and put Miami with 3 New England teams, I'm happy.

Seriously, I think no matter what Michigan and Ohio State will be in the same division, so they can preserve the last weekend game between the two. If UM returns to prominence, that game takes added importance because the winner may very well get the bid.

SycamoreKen
06-10-2010, 10:53 PM
Don't you think the whole bowl system will be realligned when the changes are made? How will those Big 12 spots be split? Down here we now have Pac 10 v. Big 12. in the Alamo Bowl. I would imagine the Big 10 will get back in the mix. The BCS will be redrawn as well I would think.

Kegboy
06-11-2010, 12:05 AM
Don't you think the whole bowl system will be realligned when the changes are made? How will those Big 12 spots be split? Down here we now have Pac 10 v. Big 12. in the Alamo Bowl. I would imagine the Big 10 will get back in the mix. The BCS will be redrawn as well I would think.

Yeah, I saw Herbstreit on ESPN talking about these issues. He also projected a little cautious optimism that, since everything's going to change anyway, now might be the time for the BCS to implement a true playoff system.

SycamoreKen
06-11-2010, 12:14 AM
I read, sorry no link because i don't remember where, that this hurts the chances of a playoff since the true power is now consolidated into even fewer groups. Why should 4 conferences give anyone else a real chance?

Kegboy
06-11-2010, 09:37 AM
That's certainly a possibility. ESPN.com has an interview with Roy Kramer where he says this absolutely will not result in a playoff, and if anybody would know, it would be him.

I'm just hoping that some good will come from this. Kramer did say that commisioners are worried about being seen as the bad guy, and maybe if there is enough backlash over the disolution of the Big 12 and, quite possibly, the Big East as well, TPTB will attempt to placate fans when it comes to reorganizing the postseason.

:graspingstraws:

SycamoreKen
06-11-2010, 11:47 AM
That would be nice, but i have my doubts. Money is talking here. To be honest though, If football has to be screwed up to prop up the rest of the sports then maybe it needs to be this way. Of course, there may have to be a super division one for the rich schools and one for the left overs.

Trader Joe
06-11-2010, 12:23 PM
Ok, so USC's players can now transfer without sitting out a year. (juniors and seniors)

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5275644

Any team can contact these players.

I'm sorry, but if I'm Texas I now want to go to the Big Ten which is interested in them.

USC is done for the next 5-10 years as a major college power IMO.

avoidingtheclowns
06-11-2010, 01:21 PM
A lot of people in this area are pretty convinced that Maryland is going to end up in the Big Ten. I can't quite tell if this is unfounded panic or if it's remotely realistic. I guess when the conference added Penn State it toyed with adding both Maryland and Texas (along with other schools --- I really didn't know/remember this as I was 6 when the Big Ten last expanded). Maryland is a member of the AAU so academically it would work and I suppose Maryland wouldn't stand out more than Boston College in the ACC or South Florida in the Big East.

I don't know.

Trader Joe
06-11-2010, 01:23 PM
The last time I read about Maryland possibly being added is way back when this first started their name was tossed out, mainly due to the strength of their bball program (a plus, but in the grand scheme of conference expansion, irrelevant. Football is king). I haven't heard them brought up since.

Nothing against Maryland, but I'd be kind of disappointed if we added them over a Pitt. Pitt is a much more natural fit and is on par or above Maryland athletically.

Trader Joe
06-11-2010, 01:31 PM
Boise State moves to the Mountain West...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5276064

How long til they officially become a BCS conference? They're already better than the Big East and if the Big 12 gets pillaged they're better than them as well. Might be on par with the ACC in terms of football as well.

Pig Nash
06-11-2010, 01:34 PM
I think that opens it up for Kansas/Kansas St to go to the MWC now too.

Trader Joe
06-11-2010, 01:35 PM
Kansas is gonna win 35 games a year in basketball if they play in the MWC.

I just can't believe the Big 12 leadership is this bad. Athletically,they might be the BEST all around conference. Dominant football, basketball, soccer teams, you name it. And yet here they are just getting destroyed. Zero business sense apparently among their leadership.

Pig Nash
06-11-2010, 01:37 PM
I agree. But it's pretty much all about football. I don't think they'd have a problem getting to the tourney every year so it doesn't really make that much of a difference. They're still Kansas.

travmil
06-11-2010, 02:03 PM
Boise knows something everyone else doesn't. They know already that the Mountain West is just waiting on the Big 12 to self destruct. I would bet anything that the Big 12 guys were trying to get Boise to come in and replace Nebraska and Boise just gave them the big FU. The Big 12 is done. Now the Mountain West has Utah, TCU, AND Boise and will likely pick up KState and KU. Two of those schools will now get BCS bids EVERY year while the rest of what's left of the Big 12 is going to have to be split among the WAC and whatever other conference will take them. My lord, I used to think the Pacers were ran by morons but they are Norman Eienstein's compared to the Big 12 guys.

Kegboy
06-14-2010, 10:15 PM
So after all the hub bub, the Pac 10 migration is a no go? Besides Colorado, of course.

Wierd.

Trader Joe
06-14-2010, 10:40 PM
Big 10 becomes the the big 12 and the big 12 becomes the big 10? Strange...

SycamoreKen
06-14-2010, 10:45 PM
Yes it is.

Trader Joe
06-14-2010, 10:51 PM
Also does colorado regret leaving the big 12 now? Would they rather have stayed if they knew it wasn't going to disintegrate?

SycamoreKen
06-14-2010, 11:40 PM
I think they are happier with the closer rivalries and the ability to beat teams weaker than what they were against in the Big 12.

Kegboy
06-14-2010, 11:53 PM
I agree. The Pac 10 is a much better fit for Colorado.

SycamoreKen
06-15-2010, 06:42 AM
Does this mean the Big 10 is done expanding for now? 6 teams in each division?

Kegboy
06-15-2010, 01:22 PM
I think/hope so. Missouri is commited to the Big 12 and have a bit bigger role there now. We could still raid the Big East, but with everyone else staying at 12, I don't think there's any need to start an arms race. In the grand scheme of things, Nebraska is a pretty substantial get, and we got the CCG (hopefully at Lucas), so it makes sense to call it a day.

I think Delaney said last week that they were done, and with everything simmering down, I'm thinking they'll stay with that.

ilive4sports
06-15-2010, 04:37 PM
I think/hope so. Missouri is commited to the Big 12 and have a bit bigger role there now. We could still raid the Big East, but with everyone else staying at 12, I don't think there's any need to start an arms race. In the grand scheme of things, Nebraska is a pretty substantial get, and we got the CCG (hopefully at Lucas), so it makes sense to call it a day.

I think Delaney said last week that they were done, and with everything simmering down, I'm thinking they'll stay with that.

I think they are done for this year. They will stay in pursuit of ND, they have to. They really want Rutgers too. I think they would have to grab two Big East teams before ND comes in fear of the Big East collapsing. Hopefully Pitt would be the other Big East team. And then to even things out I guess they would go after either Syracuse or Maryland.

Trader Joe
06-15-2010, 04:39 PM
I'd imagine their top 4 if they were ever to go to 16 teams is ND, Pitt, Cuse, and Rutgers.

ilive4sports
06-15-2010, 06:21 PM
I'd imagine their top 4 if they were ever to go to 16 teams is ND, Pitt, Cuse, and Rutgers.

Agreed. That would make the Big Ten a very good conference all around in multiple sports. Adding Pitt and Cuse would be a huge boost to basketball. If Brain Kelly gets ND back on track there is a top football program. Pitt puts together good football teams and so does Rutgers.

I just saw Joe Schad on ESPN and he said the offer is out there for ND to accept and its on their timetable now. He didn't say anything else about other teams. I think the Big Ten will be happy to enter with 12 teams.

So are the Big Ten and Big 12 switching names now or something? I mean you cant just do that because of all the history around the conferences. How are they going to fit a 12 to fit into the Big Ten logo instead of the 11?

Swish
06-24-2010, 11:02 AM
Big 10s wishlist really looks like this:

1. ND - Obvious
2. Rutgers - NY/NJ market
3. Maryland - DC market
4. Syracuse - Can get into the NY market

This expansion is solely about money from the Big 10 Network. They need to get into bigger markets than where they are now to charge cable companies more money to carry the channel. And don't believe the BS the cable company tells you about the Big 10 costing you, the consumer, so much more. The Big 10 charges cable companies ~1.50 per subscriber (hence why they want into bigger markets, more subscribers = bigtime dollars). The cable companies use it as an excuse to charge everyone an arm and a leg. "Never let a good crisis go to waste", as it were.

Also, those universities are all members of the AAU (except for Notre Dame, but their academics speak for themselves), which is very important to the Big 10. Moreso than anything sports related.

I love this. I have been reading everything I can lay my eyes on regarding this topic since it popped up in December. Not sure what it is, but I just find this whole thing fascinating.

I don't think that the Big 10 is done. Done for now (Nebraska was a huge coup), to be sure, but Delany has said that the expansion would/could happen in stages, and that's what is happening. The Big 10 got their 12th team and a conference championship, and that will be enough for now. The problem is that they haven't done anything to expand the reach of the BTN.

If Notre Dame decides to join, it will set into motion a 14th team joining (most likely Rutgers...I think Rutgers would die to get into the Big 10), as well. Only the Pac 10 going to 16 teams will trigger the Big 10 going to 16.

As for the name, it will either change to something with no number (like the Big East, SEC, etc), or will stay the Big 10. They'll ditch the clever number in the logo and just be the Big 10 no matter what. The name has been around too long to just throw away at this point, especially when it comes to renaming/rebranding the Big 10 Network.

EDIT: Also, someone mentioned Pitt. Pitt is probably on the list, but farther down. Pitt is a nice school, an AAU member, but Pittsburgh already has the Big Ten Network due to Penn State. Certainly not impossible, but I think their are other teams that the Big 10 would rather have.