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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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Wesley Johnson Late Night ATTACK Athletics Workout

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    Wesley Johnson Late Night ATTACK Athletics Workout

    http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...n-Garcia-3484/

    11 p.m. Central Time, Saturday night, Tim Grover’s ATTACK Athletics gym in Chicago.

    Projected top 10 picks Wesley Johnson and Ed Davis are running on fumes after an incredibly long and busy day at the NBA combine. It consists of athletic testing, interviews with NBA teams, a media session and an extended sit-down with the NBA Players Association that goes on for nearly three hours.

    Johnson and Davis are exhausted, but they need to get a workout in, and trainers Tim Grover and Mike Procopio are here to accommodate them in this incredibly important time of the year. Their agent, Rob Pelinka, is on hand as well, keeping tabs on everything that is going on inside the gym. Johnson’s brother Craig sits right next to him, urging Wesley along.

    In the corner are two sneaker company executives, here to evaluate the players both on and off the court and envision how they might look representing their company’s brand.

    They have to like what they’re seeing.

    Johnson stands out immediately. He looks every bit as smooth and polished as we envisioned coming in. The explosiveness he shows is unmistakable despite the late hour and the fact that his body is running on nothing but adrenaline at this point. Some of the dunks he pulls off are incredibly impressive. He glides through the air with the body control of a 6-2 guard, despite measuring out the previous day at 6-7 ΒΌ in shoes with a 7-1 wingspan (ideal size for an NBA wing). He’s going to be a terror in transition right off the bat. There’s no question about that.

    Johnson changes speeds fluidly, looking more comfortable executing advanced ball-handling moves in this setting than we expected. His mid-range game sharpens into focus. He elevates beautifully off the floor for a pretty pull-up jumper, creating separation and banking the shot off the glass effortlessly from 17 feet. His footwork is outstanding, his moves look quick and decisive, and the touch on his shot is excellent.




    Any team working out Johnson over the next month or so is bound to come away extremely impressed. He’s far more skilled and polished than most players entering the NBA. He’s ready to contribute immediately, which has to be incredibly attractive to the teams in the lottery who want to get better right away. The fact that Johnson a little bit older than other players in the lottery is probably working to his advantage at this point, since he comes in ready to play and is very much a proven commodity. He doesn’t think that limits his upside though.

    “I look at that as a positive more so than a negative,” he said. “I didn’t start playing basketball till the 8th grade or 9th grade. I’m a late bloomer. I’m still new to it basically. I’m still learning a lot.”

    Perhaps more impressive is what we’ve learned about Johnson off the court. He’s an incredibly humble, well spoken young man with an excellent demeanor. He looks genuinely happy to be here, and he’s not taking anything for granted at this stage.

    Johnson was nearly a complete unknown going into the 2009-10 season. He was completely off the radar as a high school prospect and therefore does not share the same sense of entitlement that some of his fellow future lottery picks may struggle with at times.

    “That journey getting from high school to Syracuse taught me a lot,” Johnson told us at the NBA combine. “Bouncing around made me mature. It made me more hungry than anything. I’ve had to prove a whole lot my whole life. Coming out of high school I wasn’t highly recruited. At Iowa State I had to battle through adversity. At Syracuse I had to prove myself. Still to this day I’ve had to prove myself. I’m up for a challenge. I’m a competitor. There’s a competitiveness inside of me.”

    Where will the next stage of Wesley Johnson’s journey take him? We’ll find out on June 24.
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    Re: Wesley Johnson Late Night ATTACK Athletics Workout

    He reminds me a ton of Shawn Marion. He's really good at everything except creating his own offense.

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    • #3
      Re: Wesley Johnson Late Night ATTACK Athletics Workout

      Originally posted by Kstat View Post
      He reminds me a ton of Shawn Marion. He's really good at everything except creating his own offense.
      I think he could end up being the second or third best pick in the draft

      The compairisson to Shawn Marion is spot on (minus the ugly form on the jump shot
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      • #4
        Re: Wesley Johnson Late Night ATTACK Athletics Workout

        If Johnson is a Tweener SF/PF, I could see the Pacers interest in him....but I'd consider the need to draft a PG a greater need.
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          Re: Wesley Johnson Late Night ATTACK Athletics Workout

          Originally posted by CableKC View Post
          If Johnson is a Tweener SF/PF, I could see the Pacers interest in him....but I'd consider the need to draft a PG a greater need.
          I would love for the Pacers to get him, but unless we trade up to #4 , I dont think there is any way he is on the board at 10
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            Re: Wesley Johnson Late Night ATTACK Athletics Workout

            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
            If Johnson is a Tweener SF/PF, I could see the Pacers interest in him....but I'd consider the need to draft a PG a greater need.
            It's my understanding that he's a 2/3.

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              Re: Wesley Johnson Late Night ATTACK Athletics Workout

              Originally posted by Hicks View Post
              It's my understanding that he's a 2/3.
              If that's the case.....that pushes him further down my list of needs.

              In terms of positional need; I rank the need for a PG 1st, PF/C 2nd, SF/PF 3rd and SG/SF last.
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              • #8
                Re: Wesley Johnson Late Night ATTACK Athletics Workout

                Sorry Cable, NBA teams should never draft for need.

                You do that, you pass on a more talented player. You draft the best player available & make trades or signings for what your needs are.

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                  Re: Wesley Johnson Late Night ATTACK Athletics Workout

                  I like the Marion thing too...depending on how smart you think Marion is as a player. Personally I think Wes lacks some amounts of awareness, possibly bred in him by the constant zone defense they run.

                  To me he's 100% SG due to lack of slashing/creating. I realize that SOME SGs are handlers/combos, but I guess the game he shows me is primary a catch and shoot wing and that's where I come away with SG. He literally can't take more than maybe 2 dribbles, sometimes not even that, without starting to lose the handle. One of the games I scouted/clipped the Big East announcers were going on about that issue even...right before he lost his dribble on a drive attempt.



                  Is he really that much taller than Reggie was? Enough to make "SG" sound crazy? If he was playing SF/PF it would be like Marion, which means not banging and being a bit undersized at PF, but running and shooting to beat his man at the other end, plus those help defense blocks/steals.




                  Wes is going top 6, so he's not on the Pacers radar regardless. He's about the only prospect with a true jumper working right now. Poindexter being the other, and frankly I don't like much else about QP's NBA game.

                  Bad news for JOB, this draft isn't handing you a bunch of shooters, just more banging and defending PFs to leave at the end of the bench. (grumble)
                  Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 05-29-2010, 02:39 AM.

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                    Re: Wesley Johnson Late Night ATTACK Athletics Workout

                    Originally posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
                    Sorry Cable, NBA teams should never draft for need.

                    You do that, you pass on a more talented player. You draft the best player available & make trades or signings for what your needs are.
                    I agree that we should draft the BPA. But at the 10 spot.....aka "No Man's land" where we always end up......unless someone you don't expect to be there drops ( such as Wesley Johnson )....I don't think that there is going to be a "clear cut" Player that is going to be "heads and shoulders" better then the rest.

                    As far as I am concerned....there is a 3rd/4th tier of Players that we will be considering at the 10 spot. Whose to say is the BPA when it comes to players like Patterson, Bledsoe, Bradley, George or Henry when none of them appear to really stand out among each other where all of them have enough flaws in their game to not really warrant picking one over the other?

                    At that point, if "all things are pretty much equal", I don't mind taking positional need into consideration.

                    Many here on PD and many "so called" Experts see the Pacers considering Players like Bledsoe and Bradley at the 10 spot.......even if they are not the BPA and are considered as a "reach"....whereas many "Mock Drafts" don't have either of them breaking into the top 15 spots.
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                      Re: Wesley Johnson Late Night ATTACK Athletics Workout

                      Offensively he may not be a slasher, but defensively he bangs more than your average SG prospect. He guarded PFs at 'Cuse but I see him shying away from them on the next level.

                      I see him as a SF/SG.

                      Now with the team needs. I think we need a PF/C more than a SF/PF. Our starting PF needs to slide over to C to play with Hans.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Wesley Johnson Late Night ATTACK Athletics Workout

                        For those who like the idea of a SG/SF #10, then consider Paul George. I could see him as the wing of the future for the Pacers.

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