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DisplacedKnick
07-27-2004, 12:18 PM
I'd steer clear of Peja just because his defense is pretty suspect and that would make your perimeter defense pretty iffy.

I'd go for the others but it takes two to tango and neither would fill out Indy's dance card.

RimBender
07-27-2004, 12:34 PM
If Artest was traded, I would like to get a young good player for him. Players that still have alot to do and are already amazing, example J Rich over in GS.

I would take Pierce or Marion without taking a second look, but I don't know about Peja. ALL he can do is shoot, I never seen him get "down and dirty" in the post and c'mon he is 6'10!!!

Dirk would be nice :laugh:

Maybe Michael Redd...I don't really know his value, but he is an outstanding player.

If they do trade Ron, is it gonna be for the 3 spot? Maybe we could get a good center for Ron and have Jackson start SF. And Jones could back up SG and Bender at SF. Just a thought.

PacerBlade
07-27-2004, 01:11 PM
Maybe Michael Redd...I don't really know his value, but he is an outstanding player.



I would definitely trade Artest for Redd!... :nod:

... or Nowitzki

Hicks
07-27-2004, 01:40 PM
Redd trade idea:

Ron
Fred
Cro

for

Redd
A.Mason's expiring contract
Caffey's expiring contract

Our lineup:

Tinsley
Redd
Jackson
O'Neal
Foster

RimBender
07-27-2004, 01:53 PM
Artest for Kurt Thomas
Magloire
Camby

I don't know, not too many "great" centers in the league that match Ron's value. I was happy when I heard Cro for Coleman but then that got shot down so.....

Kegboy
07-27-2004, 01:55 PM
Milwaukee will never trade Michael Redd. :shakehead:

Mourning
07-27-2004, 02:11 PM
Only player named here that I would want and that I see fitting well into the team, longterm without radical extra changes is Marion.

He gives us extra rebounding which we DESPERATELY need, his D is not Artests, but its definitely without a doubt upper-echolon of the NBA. Gets lots of 2nd chance points, doesnt have to be "The Man", has a good shot, can create and overmatch almost all SFs, but ehhh ... that contract of his, oi?:(

But, it all doesnt add up, because I dont want to assume gets traded;).

Regards,

Mourning:cool:

Vicious Tyrant
07-27-2004, 02:46 PM
Mourning, good sir, I agree. I don't think S Marion is the individual player Ron is, but I think he might fit the team we have better than Ron, for the reasons you mentioned.

I also think the premise here is flawed. Regardless of the problems Ron has been part of, the dramatic improvement he made in all aspects of his game and attitude last year, plus his great contract, plus his competitive intensity almost guarantee he will be given more time to continue to improve.

waxman
07-27-2004, 03:11 PM
I wouldn't assume Ron will be traded....nor should he.... he did "melt-down" in the Detroit series....but I think he can continue to grow and be a more willing teammate. Its extremely valuable to have a stopper on D like him and someone who gives a high level of effort on a nightly basis.

I do hope the Pacers run a more open offense this year.... I think that helps keep everyone involved in the game, promotes sharing and is a fun way to play..... rather than constant Iso's and "prevent" type basketball.

We don't need to play like Dallas or Sac....just open it up a bit.

Young
07-27-2004, 03:15 PM
I would not mind to see Lamar Odom here. He brings ball handling to the team. He can shoot the ball decently. But he mainly creates for others. My only concerns with him are health and contract.

Marion would be alright with me but I have concerns about how he will play when he doesn't have the athletic abilty.

Corey Maggette is my top choice to get but the Clippers wont trade him.

James Posey would be nice too.

DisplacedKnick
07-27-2004, 03:42 PM
Marion would be alright with me but I have concerns about how he will play when he doesn't have the athletic abilty.


Shawn Marion doesn't have athletic ability?

I think that I have indeed now heard everything. :confused:

Suaveness
07-27-2004, 04:51 PM
I am going to assume that we aren't trading Artest.

Unclebuck
07-27-2004, 05:02 PM
I choose not to believe that Artest will be traded.

The whole idea, even the thought of it makes me sick to my stomach

DisplacedKnick
07-27-2004, 05:06 PM
I choose not to believe that Artest will be traded.

The whole idea, even the thought of it makes me sick to my stomach

Every now and then I'll read an article that says something like, "Expect Artest to be gone from the Pacers by the beginning of the season. He's been openly shopped since disappearing in the Detroit series."

Every time I read something like this I'm responding with, "WTF?"

I don't know what shopping they're talking about and I expect Artest will be a Pacer next year.

Young
07-27-2004, 10:20 PM
Marion would be alright with me but I have concerns about how he will play when he doesn't have the athletic abilty.


Shawn Marion doesn't have athletic ability?

I think that I have indeed now heard everything. :confused:

Of course he does. duh.:rolleyes:

I am refering to the future when he does not have it. You know when players get older they lose there quickness. Its natural. It happens.

Lord Helmet
07-27-2004, 10:33 PM
Artest should not be traded!!:mad:If he were to be though I guess I would like Paul Pierce out of VA's 3.Don't get me wrong I like Peja (During the regular season!)He just fades in the postseason unlike Pierce.If we trade Ronnie which we shouldn't it should be for Pierce.But hasn't Ainge said he isn't shopping him? Anyway don't trade Ron!

TheSauceMaster
07-27-2004, 11:02 PM
Wonders how many will roll over in their graves if ron doesn't get traded this year :rolleyes: and I am pretty confident , he will be playing with the Pacers for the 04/05 season.

Lord Helmet
07-27-2004, 11:06 PM
Why trade Ron?Is everyone on this board an Artest hater?:laugh:

Suaveness
07-27-2004, 11:14 PM
It's pretty amazing, really

fooddaman
07-27-2004, 11:18 PM
I do not want to see Artest traded. I believe he is a key piece of the puzzle last year. His pros outweigh the cons. I think if Artest is traded the team takes a step back, not forward.

It is too hard to replace the heart and passion he brings.

bulletproof
07-27-2004, 11:29 PM
It's pretty amazing, really

It's almost like you take it personally.

bulletproof
07-27-2004, 11:32 PM
Wonders how many will roll over in their graves if ron doesn't get traded this year :rolleyes: and I am pretty confident , he will be playing with the Pacers for the 04/05 season.

I wouldn't roll over in my grave, and I like Ron as a player, but I'm confident he won't be in a Pacers' uniform for the 2005 playoffs.

Hicks
07-27-2004, 11:37 PM
I don't hate Ron Artest at all (except for his moments of stupidity; otherwise no)

Anthem
07-28-2004, 04:32 AM
Assuming Artest is going to be traded....

....is the root of all kinds of stupid trade proposals.

Anthem
07-28-2004, 04:34 AM
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Marion would be alright with me but I have concerns about how he will play when he doesn't have the athletic abilty.


Shawn Marion doesn't have athletic ability?

I think that I have indeed now heard everything. :confused:

Of course he does. duh.:rolleyes:

I am refering to the future when he does not have it. You know when players get older they lose there quickness. Its natural. It happens.

Yeah... I'll be really worried about that IN A DECADE!!! :devil:

Anthem
07-28-2004, 04:35 AM
Wonders how many will roll over in their graves if ron doesn't get traded this year :rolleyes: and I am pretty confident , he will be playing with the Pacers for the 04/05 season.

I wouldn't roll over in my grave, and I like Ron as a player, but I'm confident he won't be in a Pacers' uniform for the 2005 playoffs.

First it was the trading deadline... then "the start of the season...." then "all-star break..." now it's "the 2005 playoffs."

Methinks I've spotted a trend. :devil: Here's hoping it continues.

DisplacedKnick
07-28-2004, 09:37 AM
Marion would be alright with me but I have concerns about how he will play when he doesn't have the athletic abilty.


Shawn Marion doesn't have athletic ability?

I think that I have indeed now heard everything. :confused:

Of course he does. duh.:rolleyes:

I am refering to the future when he does not have it. You know when players get older they lose there quickness. Its natural. It happens.

Uh, he's 26. Just what future are you talking about? Ten years from now?

bulletproof
07-28-2004, 10:24 AM
Wonders how many will roll over in their graves if ron doesn't get traded this year :rolleyes: and I am pretty confident , he will be playing with the Pacers for the 04/05 season.

I wouldn't roll over in my grave, and I like Ron as a player, but I'm confident he won't be in a Pacers' uniform for the 2005 playoffs.

First it was the trading deadline... then "the start of the season...." then "all-star break..." now it's "the 2005 playoffs."

Methinks I've spotted a trend. :devil: Here's hoping it continues.

Uh, that would mean the mid-season trade deadline.

MSA2CF
07-28-2004, 11:02 AM
I wonder if I can start a thread titled: "Assuming Smits is going to be signed for a one-year deal"

:sarcasm:

Suaveness
07-28-2004, 11:42 AM
Wonders how many will roll over in their graves if ron doesn't get traded this year :rolleyes: and I am pretty confident , he will be playing with the Pacers for the 04/05 season.

I wouldn't roll over in my grave, and I like Ron as a player, but I'm confident he won't be in a Pacers' uniform for the 2005 playoffs.

First it was the trading deadline... then "the start of the season...." then "all-star break..." now it's "the 2005 playoffs."

Methinks I've spotted a trend. :devil: Here's hoping it continues.

I noticed that

Hicks
07-28-2004, 02:17 PM
The truth hurts :p :laugh:

Vicious Tyrant
07-28-2004, 02:58 PM
Rommie mentioned James Posey as an option. I don't know a GREAT deal about him, but from the little I've seen him play and other things I've heard, I could imagine him being a really nice addition.

I don't suppose that really means he'd make a good straight up trade, but an intriguing possibility. In fact if anyone knows more about him, I'd love to hear it.

Real GM says OK for a straight up trade - Trade ID number 1793632. That is, if I did it right (I don't know if I did). For whatever that's worth.

RimBender
07-28-2004, 03:03 PM
James Posey is literally the poor man's Ron Artest, he may have a more polished offensive game, but is known as a defensive specialist, although I'm sure Artest's offensive game will soon pass Posey's. I hope we wouldn't even think about trading Ron for Posey.

Vicious Tyrant
07-28-2004, 03:25 PM
Maybe it would also be interesting to mention here that I'm kind of new to the message board thing. I've used this sites "Fundamentals" section (great idea, btw) to check out some other teams message boards and noticed that almost every other teams board has at least one thread about how great it would be if they could get Artest.

I don't know if that's really an indication of his value, but I don't think there are any other players I've noticed getting as much attention (except Dampier, of course).

Vicious Tyrant
07-28-2004, 03:31 PM
RimBender, I actually agree with you - Posey would not be a good straight up trade. I would point out, however, that Posey seems to have that "point-forward" mentality which I think our team could use. Artest just doesn't impress me with his ability to get his teammates involved. I don't imagine Bender will bring much to the table in that sense either. I think a passer in the SF position could really benenfit this team - especially when Tinsley takes a seat and AJ steps in.

This is probably a crummy comparison, but maybe you could think of Posey/Artest's offense in comparison to the defense of Artest/Derrick McKey. I know McKey had plenty of detractors, but the man could play team defense in a way I don't see Artest doing. Is Artest a better defender? One on one, there is really no doubt. Does Artest's defense benefit the team as much as McKey's did? I think there are strong arguments either way.

BigDawg44
07-28-2004, 03:39 PM
I guess I would consider Artest for Melo:laugh: PRAY FOR IT!

RimBender
07-28-2004, 03:50 PM
I'm beginning to be like John Kerry, a "flip-flopper" as I heard him called. I'm having second thoughts on trading Artest.

It's going to be next to impossible to replace what Ron brings to the table everynight. I like how if the other team has a superstar thats getting hot, we can just put Ron on 'em to cool 'em down. I'm sure Rick loves it too.

At first I was all for trading him, but now looking at the big picture if we lost Ron we would also lose alot more games........

Suaveness
07-28-2004, 04:12 PM
The truth hurts :p :laugh:

You mean that Artest is staying? :flirt:

And Kerry is not a flipflopper :rolleyes:

RimBender
07-28-2004, 04:17 PM
The truth hurts :p :laugh:

You mean that Artest is staying? :flirt:

And Kerry is not a flipflopper :rolleyes:


Haha:laugh:

Lord Helmet
07-28-2004, 05:20 PM
I guess I would consider Artest for Melo:laugh: PRAY FOR IT!
:laugh: Denver would never do that.We would have to at least add Bender to the deal.

BigDawg44
07-28-2004, 08:12 PM
I guess I would consider Artest for Melo:laugh: PRAY FOR IT!
:laugh: Denver would never do that.We would have to at least add Bender to the deal.


I guess i could part with Bender OR CROSHERE!