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bulletproof
07-25-2004, 12:26 PM
Saw this over on the Lakers board on realgm. If it's true, it confirms something I heard as well—that Peja is not happy in Sacramento. This of course could have implications regarding Ron. The article is in Serbian, so I have no idea what it says exactly, but the person who posted it said it basically says that Stojakovic is disappointed with Kings managment for letting Vlade go and says changes are needed if they want to contend, etc.

http://www.b92.net/sport/intervju.php?nav_id=146623&dd=24&mm=07&yyyy=2004

Hicks
07-25-2004, 12:42 PM
I read a translation of the article on Kingsfans.com , and he doesn't say he wants out, but he does say like you said that he's not happy to see Vlade go, and he said more than once he thinks the team needs changes and their current window may be closed.

bulletproof
07-25-2004, 12:43 PM
Someone did a translation:

Q: Peja, you had a good personal season but many think that you could be better. Larry Bird said that summer is the best time to get better, extend your game. How will you spend your summer and will you work on your game?

A: Speaking of this past season, I had statistical improvement, but I need to work on some things. There is room to grow. I have a movie in my mind of how defenses played me. I plan on working on it and I'll try to come back a better player.

Q: With the departure of Divac, some things may change in the style of play. Do you see yourself staying with the Kings or would you like to move to another team?

A: The departure of Divac is more business than basketball. He did what was a good deal for him and Kings' managment did what they wanted to do. I played with Divac for 6 years and he was the best teammate and a friend. I wish him the best. He'll probably finish his career where he started.

As far as I am concerned, I really don't know if I'll stay with the Kings. It's clear that this team needs change, new faces. Will there be changes in the lineups? I don't know. Those things are done in the shadows in the NBA and us players take it as a done deal. I said already I was disappointed that Divac left because he was the face of the team and put Sacramento on the NBA map. I am very disappointed that they didn't let him finnish career here. I told Kings managment that they did wrong with the Divac situation since he was the leader here, but I also know that the NBA is business.

Q: Do you have a reaction at the ending of the season and comments by Chris Webber that not everyone put forth an effort?

A:Lots of players expressed frustration at the end. I don't want to pinpoint anybody. I think we did a lot during my time here and and we shouldn't exaggerate individual losses and wins. I think that this teams' window of opportunity is closing which is why I say that changes are needed. I don't want to talk about who said what. It's in the past.

PacerMan
07-25-2004, 01:31 PM
Welcome to the BUSINESS of basketball Peja!
Ya gotta wonder about some of these athletes when they STILL act surprised when teams make financially based business decisions.

PacerMan
07-25-2004, 01:32 PM
And it sounds like typical post trade reaction, like Jermaine when they fired Isiah.

ABADays
07-25-2004, 03:20 PM
Welcome to the BUSINESS of basketball Peja!
Ya gotta wonder about some of these athletes when they STILL act surprised when teams make financially based business decisions.

Yet, THEIR financial moves seem quite necessary.

sixthman
07-25-2004, 03:29 PM
When even the Kings management isn't allowed to have it all by ownership, you know things are tightening up, despite some of the crazy contracts this summer.

bulletproof
07-25-2004, 04:02 PM
Anyone else get a sense by reading Peja's interview, especially his answer to the last question, that he's talking like he's already got one foot out the door? Or at the very least has already expressed an interest to mangement and/or his agent that he'd like to be moved?

sixthman
07-25-2004, 05:17 PM
Anyone else get a sense by reading Peja's interview, especially his answer to the last question, that he's talking like he's already got one foot out the door? Or at the very least has already expressed an interest to mangement and/or his agent that he'd like to be moved?


Or, maybe, his agent has told him that the management folks in Sactown have trotted out his name a time or two in trade talks.

3Ball
07-25-2004, 10:45 PM
Welcome to the BUSINESS of basketball Peja!
Ya gotta wonder about some of these athletes when they STILL act surprised when teams make financially based business decisions.

Yet, THEIR financial moves seem quite necessary.




I don't know. One element of the whole Boozer thing: that's exactly the kind of crap that a GM would pull, and everyone would just say, "Well, that's business. Wasn't he a clever GM." Of course it's a business, but it's a business full of real people. What makes it so interesting...

indygeezer
07-26-2004, 01:02 AM
SOme of my Uni of Michigan contacts have mentioned in the past that they've heard of friction between Weber and Peja for some time. I don't think CW likes sharing the light.

indygeezer
07-26-2004, 07:45 AM
I asked this in another thread this AM...but if you didn't see it this came to me during the night.

What would Brad Miller's response be if the Kings mgmnt told/asked him about a trade with them getting Artest???

bulletproof
07-26-2004, 09:19 AM
I asked this in another thread this AM...but if you didn't see it this came to me during the night.

What would Brad Miller's response be if the Kings mgmnt told/asked him about a trade with them getting Artest???


I seriously doubt Kings management would consult him if they wanted to make a move they thought would improve their team, regardless of the player.

Normally I'd say you're right, but with Ron's history, they just might ask Miller what he thought about him as a player and a person.

sixthman
07-26-2004, 09:24 AM
I'm under the impression Brad Miller and Ron Artest get along well.

bulletproof
07-26-2004, 10:00 AM
I would hope Kings management, given their rather succesful track record and successful Vegas businesses, would have better sources than Brad Miller.

Yeah, but how many of those "sources" have actually been a teammate of Ron's? Spent time with him in a locker room, traveled with him, etc.?

bulletproof
07-26-2004, 10:05 AM
Many of them, I would like to believe. Otherwise the Maloofs have been just kind of winging it and have gotten really lucky over and over again.

They also inherited their daddy's vast gambling empire. Sometimes that helps. So you're saying they'd have better player sources than Brad? Who?

BigDawg44
07-26-2004, 01:52 PM
I checked the trade out on Real GM and a straight up trade Peja for ROnny works....I dont know if this has already been posted, but if it has sorry. I personally would not mind that trade, we get a prolific outside threat. Only thing is i have not heard much about his defense....Can anyone fill me in? and would you do this trade?

Mourning
07-26-2004, 02:04 PM
great, so is going to do the job inside for us, except for JO:confused:

indygeezer
07-26-2004, 02:36 PM
uh, pollard??????

Cro??


(now you see why I say we need another bigman??)


Wait!!! How much "INSIDE" work does Ron do, really?

Mourning
07-26-2004, 03:23 PM
Well atleast Ron works a lot more from the inside than Peja and can atleast pound it decently for a SF.

Slick Pinkham
07-26-2004, 03:58 PM
Is it true that Bobby Jackson might want out?

I heard on another board (perhaps Clutch City) that he took a lot of heat for failing to come back from his abdominal injury late last year, and may be tired of taking crap for it and being a perennial backup to Bibby.

I know he's not a pure PG, but I'd take him any day of the week.

Mourning
07-26-2004, 04:01 PM
Btw just another reason there again, that IF, IF we HAD to absolutely trade him Marion would be one of the few I would be willing to trade him for, he gets rebounds, blocks lots of 2nd chance points too, beside being a pretty good passer, shooter, ball handler and having good speed and a good D.
We wont get Pierce, without gutting the team and I dont think Pierce is worth that, personally.

Just my two cents.

Regards,

Mourning:cool:

Youman
07-28-2004, 02:07 PM
I say if he wants out, lets see if they want Bender. We could even toss in Pollard since they now need a back up...lol

fwpacerfan
07-28-2004, 05:26 PM
Anyone else get a sense by reading Peja's interview, especially his answer to the last question, that he's talking like he's already got one foot out the door? Or at the very least has already expressed an interest to mangement and/or his agent that he'd like to be moved?


I agree with you - especially this part:

"I think we did a lot during my time here and and we shouldn't exaggerate individual losses and wins."

As for a Ron for Peja trade - I don't like it. SJax is supposed to help our outside shooting and removing Ron (one of the few Pacers who aggressively drive to the basket) and replacing him with another outside shooter would basically leave JO as our only inside threat. That doesn't even take into consideration the defensive side of the ball, where the Pacers would go from top 2 defensive team to a middle of the pack defensive team at best.

Lord Helmet
07-28-2004, 08:50 PM
Ron for Peja:suicide:

Hoop
07-28-2004, 09:07 PM
Ron for Peja:suicide:

Exactly.

With Al gone, besides JO, Ron is the only post up threat we have. This trade would suck big time.

Hicks
07-28-2004, 09:22 PM
If we got Peja it'd mean we'd be pairing one of the best low-post players in the game with one of if not the best outside shooter in the game. You tell me while I'd take my chances on offense with that team. Especially with Rick in charge.

As for defense, losing Ron means we lose the ability to have him shut down somebody. What it does not do is drag out team defense down from one of the best to mediocre at best. That's nonsense. Our team defense was mediocre WITH Ron in 02-03, it's all about how the coach gets the TEAM to play defense. We'll still have a very good team defense IMO. Worse? Yeah some. You'll miss not having Ron for one on one matchups. But it won't be nearly the end of the world some of you think.

Artest's D couldn't help us vs Detroit, and Miami hardly has any terrifying SFs to worry about. If we make the Finals, think Bruce Bowen is going to eat us alive on offense? :rolleyes:

RimBender
07-28-2004, 11:52 PM
:funny: haha.....I can see it now Bowen scores 35 as Pacers fall short again to win one for Reggie.

SoupIsGood
07-29-2004, 01:22 AM
Peja is too one dimensional, if we to acquire maybe another decent player in a ron for peja trade, I'd do it. But, the only other players on their roster i would want would be bibby or miller, and we aren't getting them.

Snickers
07-29-2004, 02:05 AM
Peja has career averages of 47% FG, 40% 3s and 89% FT.

He is to buckets what yo momma is to fried chicken. Allll over it. Seriously, imagine how easily Jermaine could score in the post if he had Jackson, Peja, and Reggie around to spread the D.... And Freddie and Jamaal looked like decent shooters in the playoffs too.

As for the defensive loss, we would definitely lose some ground without Ron to shut down the stars. It's been pointed out before [pointed out, as in beaten into our heads repeatedly], but defense is played by 5 guys on the court, not one. I'm well aware that not having to double guys like Tmac and Kobe is a huge advantage, but Foster/O'neal/Peja/Jackson/Tinsley isn't a bad defensive lineup.

Jackson is no slouch on D, and Peja isn't horrid. Both could turn into nice defenders. Remember how bad Tinsley was last year?

Ron for Peja, we could certainly do worse.

Burt_Reincarnated
07-29-2004, 03:23 AM
a Ron for Peja trade would not be good imo, but then again I can't think of any trade involving Ron that would be good.

I would sure like to see Peja as a Pacer though. Not only that, he has a cheap contract (relatively, of course), Any trade for Peja except Ron would be OK with me. Notably Bender. Their salaries aren't too far apart I dont think.