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Will Galen
02-16-2010, 10:49 PM
Trade-talk roundup: What we know


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Here's the latest as of 9:45 p.m.
POSTED: Feb. 16 -- 7:51 p.m. ET
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<!--END INLINE MUG--> J.A. Adande: With rampant speculation that Miami is trying to pry Amare Stoudemire (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1727) from the Phoenix Suns (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=pho) before the Cleveland Cavaliers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=cle) can get him, here are two possible scenarios.
According to an NBA source, the Heat are offering Daequan Cook (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3196), Quentin Richardson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=703), Dorell Wright (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2423), Mario Chalmers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3419) and draft picks to the Suns. Cook is the only player among that group who is under contract for next season (Chalmers has a team option for $847,000). It is believed that the Suns would rather have a package from Cleveland that would include Zydrunas Ilgauskas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=362), J.J. Hickson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3437) and a draft pick, with the young Hickson as the most appealing part of the package.
Another league source said the Suns would like to attach Jason Richardson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1018) to a Stoudemire trade, which would relieve Phoenix from having to pay Richardson's $14 million salary next season. The combined $29 million of outgoing salary from Stoudemire and Richardson this season would be too difficult for Cleveland to match to make a trade work under the salary-cap guidelines. Miami, however, could add the $23 million expiring salary of Jermaine O'Neal to the previously mentioned offer and come within the 25 percent range of matching salaries. I have yet to hear that the Heat are willing to do so, I am merely mentioning the possibility.
That would have obvious appeal to the Suns, allowing them to escape from luxury-tax land next season and positioning them to go after a major free agent this summer.
The Suns would be looking at nine players under contract for a total of about $33 million next season: Steve Nash (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=592) ($10.3 million), Leandro Barbosa (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2166) ($7.1 million), Grant Hill (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=336) ($3.3 million player option), Channing Frye (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2754) ($2 million player option), Goran Dragic (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3423) ($2 million), Earl Clark (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3971) ($1.9 million), Robin Lopez (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3447) ($1.9 million), Jared Dudley (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3201) ($2.2 million) and Cook ($2.2 million).
The Heat would be stuck with Richardson's contract and could potentially have Stoudemire opt out and leave them as a free agent. But they would also have Stoudemire's Larry Bird rights, enabling them to offer a longer and more lucrative contract than any other team. And they would have demonstrated to Dwyane Wade (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1987) that they would do whatever it takes to bring another All-Star to play alongside him.

POSTED: Feb. 16 -- 6:02 p.m. ET
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Chad Ford: The Knicks have had discussions with both the Rockets and Bulls about deals that would bring Tracy McGrady (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=532) and Tyrus Thomas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3032), respectively, to New York.
However, as of Tuesday afternoon, the Knicks say they aren't sure where they stand with either team.
McGrady's agent, Arn Tellem, initiated talks with the Knicks and has been trying to make a deal happen, according to a source close to the process. The Knicks believe McGrady still can play and hope he can both lead them to a playoff berth and help persuade LeBron James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1966) to come to New York in the summer. Even if McGrady can do neither, he would allow the Knicks to get further under the cap this summer if the deal included Jared Jeffries (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1717).
But the Rockets' asking price is steep if they have to take back Jeffries and the $6.6 million remaining on his contract next season.
The same source said the Rockets want expiring contracts, 2009 first-round pick Jordan Hill (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3994) and future first-rounders from New York to make it happen. That's too rich for the Knicks' blood. Although they'd love to clear Jeffries' contract off the books, it'd be too big of a risk. If the Knicks didn't land a marquee free agent or two in the summer, they'd have given away up to three high draft picks for nothing.
If the Rockets drop the request for the future 2012 first-rounder, the Knicks might be game for a deal that would send Larry Hughes (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=356), Jeffries and Hill to Houston for McGrady. Still, a source close to the process believes the Rockets may have better options for McGrady if the Knicks aren't willing to meet their demands.
Meanwhile, New York also has initiated discussions with the Bulls about a Thomas swap. The Knicks are willing to offer Chicago Al Harrington (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=308) for Thomas and Jerome James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=383). But although Harrington would be a plus for the Bulls this season, Chicago has been hoping to get a future asset (preferably a first-round pick or a good player) in return for Thomas.

<hr>POSTED: Feb. 16 -- 4:31 p.m. ET
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<!--END INLINE MUG--> Marc Stein: Cleveland's interest in Antawn Jamison (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=385) dates to last season and apparently has spawned some radio rumblings in the D.C. area about the Wizards and Cavs discussing a deal that would swap Jamison and Mike Miller (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=558) for Shaquille O'Neal (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=614).
I've been encouraged by both teams to dispel that notion in the strongest possible terms. Both teams resoundingly shot down the idea when we checked with them. Got a flat "no" from one of the two teams and a louder "BIG no" from the other.
The Cavs still covet Jamison, but giving up Shaq to get him makes no sense, even if they do successfully strike a deal for Amare Stoudemire (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1727) before Thursday's 3 p.m. ET deadline.
On top of the fact that the Cavs are very pleased with Shaq's first 50-plus games in town, they need him for potential down-the-road playoff matchups against Dwight Howard (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2384), Andrew Bynum (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2748), etc. Cleveland, remember, thinks defense first.

<hr>POSTED: Feb. 16 -- 3:51 p.m. ET
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<!--END INLINE MUG--> Chad Ford: The Wolves continue to rebuff teams looking into the availability of Al Jefferson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2389).
A source close to the process told ESPN.com that the Wolves recently said no to a potential Luol Deng (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2429) and Tyrus Thomas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3032) for Jefferson deal, telling the Bulls that they aren't going to move Jefferson by the trade deadline, which is consistent with what Wolves GM David Kahn has been saying for weeks. However, a Deng-and-Thomas deal was the most realistic trade scenario we've heard for Jefferson.
Jefferson was one of the first big names to get mentioned in trade deadline buzz when word came out that the Pacers had rebuffed an offer of Jefferson for Danny Granger (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2760). Since then, Kahn has been adamant that he's not trading any member of his young core by the trade deadline. Kahn has maintained he wants an entire season to evaluate the talent he has on the roster.

<hr>POSTED: Feb. 16 -- 3:34 p.m. ET
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<!--END INLINE MUG--> Marc Stein: The Clippers fended off interest in newly minted All-Star center Chris Kaman (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1982) before trading Marcus Camby (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=125) to Portland on Monday.
Detroit needs a big man who can score and, according to sources close to the situation, recently followed up its interest in Utah's Carlos Boozer (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1703) and Phoenix's Amare Stoudemire (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1727) by trying to pry Kaman away from the Clips with a package headlined by Tayshaun Prince (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1724).
Don't forget that Kaman, besides ranking as one of the few players in the league averaging at least 20 points and nine rebounds this season, is a Michigan native.
Yet sources say the Clips made it clear that Kaman -- who has two seasons left on his contract after this one at a combined $23.5 million, compared to one more year left for Prince at $11.1 million -- was not available.
So with DeAndre Jordan (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3442) in the Clips' center rotation as well, they decided to ship Camby to the Blazers for Travis Outlaw (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2015), Steve Blake (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1994) and $1.5 million in cash, setting up Jordan as Kaman's new backup and leaving open the possibility that L.A. will be a free-agent factor this summer if it can ship out Al Thornton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3237) and/or Sebastian Telfair (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2417).

jhondog28
02-16-2010, 10:56 PM
Here is my best guess. Teams are actively talking with the Pacers but they are throwing in names like Hibbert, Rush and Price and Bird is not budging. My guess is that a desperate team that wants Murphy will make a better deal. My best guess is that it will come from a Western conference team like Sac. I think Cleveland will only make the trade if that is their last resort. To be honest I think Hickson would be the best that the Pacers can get and to me Hickson is better just from a contract standpoint and that is the main attraction. My first guess though is that the Pacers right now are all talk but no action will get done.

Will Galen
02-16-2010, 11:02 PM
POSTED: Feb. 16 -- 9:21 p.m. ET
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<!--END INLINE MUG-->Chris Sheridan:The Houston Rockets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=hou) and New York Knicks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=nyk) are "making progress" in their Tracy McGrady (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=532) trade discussions, according to a source close to the talks, and Knicks president Donnie Walsh is expected to speak with owner Jim Dolan on Wednesday to discuss the parameters of the deals that have been discussed, and how best to proceed forward. Several sources say the main holdup to this point has been the Rockets insistence on asking for at least one future No. 1 pick as the price for taking on Jeffries, who is owed $6.9 next season. Dolan has always been amenable to throwing $3 million cash into the kitty to make a deal go through, but a decade of sacrificing first-round draft picks has left him hesitant to sign off on letting another one go (The Knicks owe their own 2010 pick to Utah). The Rockets are believed to be seeking the Knicks' 2012 first-round pick, along with the option to swap first-round picks in 2011, and there are unresolved issues regarding lottery protection on the draft picks. But the bottom line for New York is that trading Jeffries opens up nearly $7 million in additional cap space for next summer, giving the Knicks the flexibility to not only make a max offer to LeBron James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1966), but also choose between retaining All-Star David Lee (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2772), or trying to use Lee in a sign-and-trade for Chris Bosh (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1977).
If the teams swap McGrady, Brian Cook and Joey Dorsey for Larry Hughes, Jeffries and Jordan (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzyqpq4), the Rockets would drop almost $2 million below the luxury tax threshold and would be eligible for a $4-plus million tax redistribution payment.
If Al Harrington was put in the trade instead of Hughes, and Cook was removed (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yh6xz8j), the financial savings for Houston would be about the same. As things stand now, the Rockets are $2.7 over the tax threshold.

pwee31
02-16-2010, 11:09 PM
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Just filed to ESPN.com: Rockets narrow T-Mac choices to offers from Knicks and Bulls and plan to make their choice Wednesday. Link to come 11 minutes ago from TweetDeck

Will Galen
02-16-2010, 11:52 PM
POSTED: Feb. 16 -- 10:44 p.m. EThttp://a.espncdn.com/i/teamlogos/nba/med/hou.gif

Chris Sheridan: Marc Stein has a news story (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4920108) with more on the Knicks-Rockets-Bulls trade situation, to which we'll add this nugget: If Chicago is willing to deal the expiring contracts of Tyrus Thomas, Brad Miller and Jerome James for McGrady and Brian Cook, it would shave $2.75 off the Rockets' payroll and move them just barely below the luxury tax line. Here is how that deal looks in the ESPN NBA Trade Machine. (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygo97vd)

Anthem
02-16-2010, 11:56 PM
Since then, Kahn has been adamant that he's not trading any member of his young core by the trade deadline. Kahn has maintained he wants an entire season to evaluate the talent he has on the roster.
Called it. Called it called it called it.

I'm not very happy about that.

Hicks
02-17-2010, 12:08 AM
Called it. Called it called it called it.

I'm not very happy about that.

What do you care about what Minny does?

Justin Tyme
02-17-2010, 12:29 AM
What do you care about what Minny does?


Perhaps he had a memory lapse with what team Kahn is presently associated with.

vnzla81
02-17-2010, 12:43 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/02/16/knicks.mcgrady/index.html


Knicks finalizing deal to land T-Mac from Rockets


The New York Knicks are finalizing a deal to acquire Houston Rockets forward Tracy McGrady, an NBA source told SI.com.

The framework of the deal involves sending McGrady to New York for forward Jared Jeffries, guard Larry Hughes and forward Jordan Hill. The Knicks and Rockets have agreed to swap 2011 first round picks and the Knicks will send the Rockets their first round pick in 2012.

The only outstanding issues involve protection for the draft picks.

The deal could be completed as early as tomorrow

vnzla81
02-17-2010, 12:47 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/02/16/jefferson.rumors/index.html


Spurs shopping Jefferson before trade deadline

Displeased with the way he has fit into their system, the San Antonio Spurs are attempting to trade forward Richard Jefferson just days before the trade deadline, multiple league sources have confirmed.

However, because of Jefferson's lack of production this season, as well as his $14.2 million salary, it does not seem likely the Spurs are going to find any takers.

"They're trying, but there may not be a market for his contract," one Eastern Conference executive told SI.com.

Jefferson has one year and $15.2 million remaining after this season.

The calls being placed by Spurs general manager R.C. Buford are a stark admittance that he made a mistake when trading Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas and Fabricio Oberto to the Milwaukee Bucks for Jefferson, envisioning him as yet another talented scoring option to complement Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili.

Instead, the 29-year-old Jefferson is having the worst season since his rookie year, averaging 12.2 points, 3.6 rebounds and 2.1 assists as he has struggled to fit in with the Spurs' primary trio.

Perhaps even more intriguing is whether Buford's intentions with Jefferson is a sign that he thinks the Spurs in their current form cannot win a title. The Spurs are essentially tied with the Oklahoma City Thunder and the Phoenix Suns for the fifth seed in the Western Conference but have lost eight of their past 14 games

Will Galen
02-17-2010, 02:14 AM
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<!--END INLINE MUG-->Chris Sheridan: There are reports in the New York Daily News and Boston Herald that the Knicks and Celtics are close to a deal that would send Nate Robinson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2782) to Boston. I have confirmed that the teams have renewed discussions, but there is one major thing to keep in mind: Robinson is what's known as a base-year compensation player, which can be a complicating factor. Robinson makes $4 million, but the Knicks can take back a maximum of only $2.02 million in returning salary.
Just an educated guess, but if Boston was willing to trade a No. 1 pick for Nate, it'd blunt the pain of New York surrendering a first-rounder or two to the Rockets in a McGrady deal. On a related note, three plugged-in sources indicated the Knicks seemed eager to get their business done Wednesday rather than wait until the 11th hour Thursday afternoon.

Will Galen
02-17-2010, 02:36 AM
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Chris Broussard: Sources with direct knowledge of negotiations between the Cavaliers and Wizards deny a report that the Cavs have made an offer (Zydrunas Ilgauskas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=362), Jamario Moon (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3249), first-round pick) for Antawn Jamison (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=385).
The clubs have had discussions, but no offer is on the table, according to the sources.
Cleveland is still waiting for Phoenix to give a verdict on its offer of Ilgauskas, J.J. Hickson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3437) and a first-round pick for Amare Stoudemire (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1727). But the Cavs' interest in Jamison is real. Cleveland is very excited about Hickson's development and if they could obtain Jamison without giving up Hickson, they may consider taking that deal over the Stoudemire deal.
The Cavs have also had talks with Indiana about Troy Murphy (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1013), as well as Golden State about Corey Maggette (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=497).
Phoenix has been shopping Cleveland's offer around the league, basically asking clubs if they can top it.
Miami is trying, and Charlotte also tried to get in the discussions. But since the Bobcats don't have any expiring contracts, they have nothing of interest to the Suns. Sources say Stoudemire would not be interested in re-signing with Charlotte anyway.
There has been speculation that the Cavs are not truly interested in Stoudemire because they have yet to contact his agent, Happy Walters, about whether Stoudemire would sign a long-term deal with Cleveland.
But sources close to the situation say Stoudemire would be of value to the Cavaliers regardless of his feelings about a long-term contract. If things go well and Cleveland wins a title, he'll likely want to re-sign, and if he doesn't want to re-sign, the Cavs will be able to use him in a sign-and-trade deal.
Milwaukee, loaded with expiring contracts, is one of the more active teams and is expected to make a deal before the Thursday deadline. The Bucks have interest in Indiana's Troy Murphy, but the Pacers' asking price is too steep.
Denver, in search of a big man, contacted the Bucks about Kurt Thomas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=846) and Hakim Warrick (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2794). But talks didn't go far after the Nuggets refused to offer any of their rotation players.

CableKC
02-17-2010, 03:52 AM
If making a trade involving Murphy for "some worth while asset for the future" is not going to happen....then why not make one to make another push ( despite it being futile ) for this season's playoffs?

Before you ask why on Earth I would even consider "trying to make the Playoffs", I don't....I'm perfectly cool with playing McRoberts and Solo while dumping Murphy for nothing and essentially "tanking". But do you think that it's out of the realm of possibility that the Pacers FO is not thinking of returning to the Playoffs ( again )?

The Pacers FO has essentially done the same thing over the last 2 seasons....why not continue to do so despite the fact that we are 8 games out of the 8th spot? For all we know, the Pacers FO could be thinking that if it weren't injuries to our decimated Frontcourt....we'd actually be doing much better.

I'd wonder if we could swing some deal with the Bucks and some 3rd Team.

Bucks send Kurt Thomas + Ridnour and gets Murphy+Watson+Solo

Pacers send Murphy+Watson+Solo and gets Kurt Thomas + "some asset from a 3rd Team"

3rd team gets Ridnour while sending back "some asset to the Pacers"

The Pacers gets some Frontcourt Depth for this season with Kurt Thomas and some other Asset for Ridnour's $6.5 mil 2009-2010 Expiring Contract :shrug:

I don't know...I'm bored and throwing the proverbial "spaghetti against the wall" to see what sticks. I think that we have seen what Murphy's trade value is....he's not even worth an Expiring Contract and some asset for the future. Maybe the best that we can expect is to do the same old ( stupid ) thing that we have done.....continue on the road of futility and try for the Playoffs again :banghead: .

EDIT - I was reading on the Bucks RealGM board that Chad Ford said that the Thunder maybe interested in moving Collison+Suns 2010 1st round pick for an Expiring. How about:

Bucks sends out Kurt Thomas + Warrick + Ridnour and get Murphy+Watson+Solo
Pacers send out Murphy+Watson+Solo and gets Kurt Thomas + Collison + Warrick + Thunder 1st round pick ( from the Suns )
Thunder sends out Collison + Thunder 1st round pick ( from the Suns ) and gets Ridnour

Bball
02-17-2010, 05:46 AM
Called it. Called it called it called it.

I'm not very happy about that.

Hmmmmmmm......

Capt. Kirk- KAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHN!!!!!!

Not sure why you're feeling the wrath of Kahn tho!

jhondog28
02-17-2010, 11:29 AM
God our talent is so bad we cannot even get our second best player to be some other teams 3rd option right now for a trade.

spreedom
02-17-2010, 11:33 AM
God our talent is so bad we cannot even get our second best player to be some other teams 3rd option right now for a trade.


The real problem is that we aren't dealing from a position of strength in talks with the Cavs. Murphy is overpaid, awful on defense, and not the best PF available; Cleveland doesn't have to make a deal at all, much less overpay for a guy like him.

Slick Pinkham
02-17-2010, 11:45 AM
To save you all from grief, here is the trade recap for this deadline from the pacers perspective:

NOTHING

All talk, but nothing gets done.

Seriously, do not get your hopes up. There are feelers out for teams willing to overpay for Troy Murphy or TJ Ford, but since there are no more NBA GM's with the basketball front office acumen of Isiah Thomas, IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN, PEOPLE.

Accept it, take a depth breath, and stop refreshing real gm and hoopshype windows every 5 minutes! otherwise the disappointment will make you "go PFFL"*.



* ask an old-timer what this means

Anthem
02-17-2010, 12:09 PM
Perhaps he had a memory lapse with what team Kahn is presently associated with.
:blush:

FlavaDave
02-17-2010, 01:18 PM
For all y'all complaining about Troy Murphy's trade value... What about Amare's? What about Jamison's? Kevin Martin's? Can anyone name me one single player getting anything close to equal trade value on the market?

Hell, if the rumors of JJ for Trophy are true, then Troy is probably getting the closest to his own value right now. Isn't he?

blanket
02-17-2010, 01:35 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-2010
POSTED: Feb. 17 -- 12:24 p.m. ET

Jamison
Chad Ford: For weeks, sources close to the situation have asserted to ESPN.com that the Wizards were reluctant to trade Antawn Jamison. Over the course of the last 72 hours, however, it appears that the Wizards' position on Jamison has softened considerably.

Sources say the Wizards and Cavs had discussions on Tuesday about several potential deals that would send Jamison to Cleveland. The same sources said talks ended without a firm offer from Cleveland.

As of Wednesday afternoon, the Wizards are waiting on the Cavs to see if those potential deals become an actual trade.

"The ball is in Cleveland's court," one source told ESPN.com. "If Cleveland comes back with a firm offer based on the potential deals they discussed, I think the Wizards will move Jamison."

The Wizards' new stance on Jamison is being fueled by two factors. First, the trade of Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood for Josh Howard has left the team lacking in talent. Jamsion signed an extension with the club 18 months ago expecting to be on a contender. Now that the Wizards are in rebuilding mode, Jamison would like to be traded to a contender.

"Jamison is a great guy," one source said. "He's been a model player for the Wizards on and off the floor. The Wizards don't want to lose him. He's been a rock in the locker room. However, I think the Wizards want to do right by him. He's at the end of his career. He deserves to have a chance to win a title."

The other factor is that the Wizards are currently over the NBA's luxury tax threshold. At least one potential deal discussed with Cleveland on Tuesday (Jamison and Mike James for Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Jamario Moon) would put the Wizards below the tax this season. Getting below the tax could save the Wizards around $10 million this year once you factor in rebates that teams under the tax receive from the league.

If the Cavs decide to pull the trigger on the Amare Stoudemire deal instead, look for the Wizards to explore ways of trading Jamison this summer.

Tom White
02-17-2010, 02:19 PM
For all y'all complaining about Troy Murphy's trade value... What about Amare's? What about Jamison's? Kevin Martin's? Can anyone name me one single player getting anything close to equal trade value on the market?

Hell, if the rumors of JJ for Trophy are true, then Troy is probably getting the closest to his own value right now. Isn't he?

Only when (IF) any of those players are traded will we know what their trade value is. Until then it is just speculation.

CableKC
02-17-2010, 02:25 PM
For all y'all complaining about Troy Murphy's trade value... What about Amare's? What about Jamison's? Kevin Martin's? Can anyone name me one single player getting anything close to equal trade value on the market?

Hell, if the rumors of JJ for Trophy are true, then Troy is probably getting the closest to his own value right now. Isn't he?
That's what been painfully clear, everything that we have heard is that the best offer that the Pacers received ( supposedly ) is the "Last resort / Plan B / Taco Bell 99 cent Value Menu Burrito / Choose the Ugliest Girl at the Bar cuz you have no choice at the end of the night" offer from the Cavs where we get an Expiring Contract and an extreme reluctance to give up anything of value.

What value does a $12+ mil Expiring Contract get on the Open Market in 2010-2011 Trade Deadline when the best offer that we got this season was a Expiring Contract and a prospect?

pwee31
02-17-2010, 02:38 PM
That's what been painfully clear, everything that we have heard is that the best offer that the Pacers received ( supposedly ) is the "Last resort / Plan B / Taco Bell 99 cent Value Menu Burrito / Choose the Ugliest Girl at the Bar cuz you have no choice at the end of the night" offer from the Cavs where we get an Expiring Contract and an extreme reluctance to give up anything of value.

What value does a $12+ mil Expiring Contract get on the Open Market in 2010-2011 Trade Deadline when the best offer that we got this season was a Expiring Contract and a prospect?

THIS.

That's the one thing I hope Bird and also the Pacers fans realize. Look at what expire contracts have to offer this year. And we're talking about what is suppose to be one of the biggest free agent years, with an array of superstars possibly available, and as of now an expiring gets you the like of Caron Butler, who is a good player don't get me wrong, but not necessarily a franchise changer, and he's only available b/c the Wizards are blowing up the team, same can be said for Jamison.

You also have Amare, but there are some who are even skeptical about him. Plus the Amare and Jamison deals are requiring a team to give up either a 1st round pick, or young prospect. SERIOUSLY?

Let's not forget the fact that the big "difference maker" being traded is going to have to want to play in Indiana.... :laugh: yeah right.

So far the guys on the move for expiring have gone to a contender Like Butler to Dallas, or Camby to Portland. Amare is rumored to the Heat or to the Cavs along with Jamison.

The same can be said for a free agent. of course money talks, but players these days want a chance to win as well, and the Pacers don't offer that right now, and we're not a big market so we don't have the Knicks or Nets type of attraction either

Our best bet is to luck out in the draft, or take a gamble by overpaying or signing for a young player who hasn't got a chance to show his stuff on another team and needs a change of scenery, or hoping a good player on a team that's stacked what's to be the main guy, or showcase his skills elsewhere to get more credit.

Though we have contracts coming off the books in 2011, that frankly means nothing except Bird better make his decisions a lot more wisely, b/c he can't afford to play it safe when that time comes

Will Galen
02-17-2010, 03:47 PM
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<!--END INLINE MUG-->Chad Ford: All is still quiet on the Amare Stoudemire (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1727) trade front. As of Wednesday afternoon, sources familiar with the negotiations said the Suns have yet to signal whether the team will trade Stoudemire to the Cavs or Heat -- or whether they'll trade him at all.
The Cavs have been pushing for the Suns to give them an answer. But Phoenix is holding out and will likely wait until Thursday to make a decision, according to sources.
Of the two teams vying for Stoudemire, only the Heat have actually received permission from the Suns to speak to Stoudemire's agent. The Cavs, as of Wednesday afternoon, have yet to call.
Still, sources close to the negotiations say that, right now, Cleveland is the front-runner. Why? Because the Heat have yet to offer the Suns a deal that would beat the Cavs' offer of Zydrunas Ilgauskas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=362) and J.J. Hickson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3437). One source familiar with the negotiations told ESPN.com that the Heat have yet to offer Michael Beasley (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3418) or either of their two first-round picks.
"I'm not sure Miami is willing to pay the price for Amare," a Suns source told ESPN.com. "We have to get something for him. We're not giving him away. If Miami gets serious then I think they would get him. But right now, they are not showing they're serious."
Is there a possibility that Amare isn't traded at all?
"It's possible," the Suns source said. "We haven't been blown away with an offer yet."
If the Suns decide to keep Stoudemire, it could be a rocky few months. A source familiar with the negotiations told ESPN.com that the Suns and Stoudemire have ended all talks on a contract extension. If Stoudemire plays out the season in Phoenix, he'll likely leave this summer.
"He's being personally wooed by LeBron James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1966) and Dwyane Wade (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1987)," the source said. "On the other side, he's being actively shopped by the Suns. He feels like he may be more wanted elsewhere."

Will Galen
02-17-2010, 04:19 PM
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<!--END INLINE MUG-->Chad Ford: The Knicks and Rockets spoke this morning about a potential Tracy McGrady (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=532) trade. Sources familiar with the negotiations told ESPN.com that while the Knicks told the Rockets that they remain interested in acquiring McGrady in a deal for Larry Hughes (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=356) and Jared Jeffries (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1717), they are still unwilling to meet all of the Rockets' demands -- cap relief, Jordan Hill (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3994), the swapping of 2011 first-round picks and the Knicks' 2012 first-round pick.
"We'd like McGrady and the cap relief," one Knicks source said. "But the Rockets are asking for too much. We're willing to pay a premium to make a deal. But the price right now is still too high."
According to the source, the Rockets are still looking for other partners. The Bulls have been mentioned as a possibility, however, sources believe that their offer is less attractive than the Knicks' -- even if the Knicks don't give the Rockets everything they're asking for.
The Knicks also had several other trades brewing on Wednesday. Two sources said the Celtics and Knicks are in advanced talks about a Nate Robinson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2782)-for-Eddie House (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=348) swap. However, both sources stressed that a deal was not completed yet.
The Timberwolves also inquired about a possible Darko Milicic (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2171)-for-Brian Cardinal (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=130) deal. The Knicks might be inclined to pull the trigger (it could save them some cash this year) depending on what happens with the Rockets and Celtics.

Will Galen
02-17-2010, 05:17 PM
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Chad Ford: The Knicks also had several other trades brewing Wednesday. Two sources said the Celtics and Knicks are in advanced talks about a Nate Robinson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2782)-for-Eddie House (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=348) swap. However, both sources stressed that a deal was not completed yet.
The Timberwolves also inquired about a possible Darko Milicic (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2171)-for-Brian Cardinal (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=130) deal. The Knicks might be inclined to pull the trigger (it could save them some cash this year) depending on what happens with the Rockets and Celtics.

Unclebuck
02-17-2010, 05:23 PM
FYI - NBATV has a 90 minute trade deadline special starting at 2 PM Thursday

Will Galen
02-17-2010, 05:44 PM
POSTED: Feb. 17 -- 4:39 p.m. ET
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Marc Stein: The Miami Heat (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mia) have indeed expressed interest in San Antonio's Roger Mason (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1721), but the Miami deal that interested the Spurs most is no longer possible.
The Spurs were hoping to tempt Miami into absorbing Mason's $3.8 million expiring contract into a $4.3 million trade exception that would have enabled the teams to complete a deal without San Antonio needing to take back another player. A future second-round pick from the Heat would have completed the transaction.
But the Heat, dealing with their own luxury-tax issues like San Antonio and reluctant to add to their payroll, ultimately declined.
And the trade exception in question -- created through the departure of Marcus Banks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2165) in Miami's Shawn Marion (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=510) trade with Toronto on Feb. 15, 2009 -- expired Monday at midnight.
The Spurs and Mason's agent, Mark Bartelstein, have mutually agreed to pursue trades before Thursday's 3 p.m. trading deadline, but it'll take a new trade construction to get Mason to Miami now if the Heat want to try again.
San Antonio is more than $10 million over the luxury-tax threshold, so the deal proposed Monday to Miami would have cut their tax bill by nearly 40 percent. Miami is roughly $2.8 million over the tax threshold.

PacerGuy
02-17-2010, 06:41 PM
New name in trade talks: Mike Conley
February, 17, 2010 Feb 175:12PM ETComment Email Print Share By Chad Ford
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Conley
It's rare that you hear a new name pop up on the trade front this late in the game, but two sources have told ESPN.com that the Grizzlies have let teams know Mike Conley can be had in exchange for cap relief and a good first-round pick.

The Grizzlies have had an on-again, off-again relationship with Conley since his rookie season. And with Jamaal Tinsley in place, and O.J. Mayo capable of swinging to the point, it sounds like they're ready to cut bait if the right deal comes along.

Although one source stressed that it's unlikely Conley is moved before the trade deadline, it's interesting that his name is even out there.

90'sNBARocked
02-17-2010, 06:55 PM
New name in trade talks: Mike Conley
February, 17, 2010 Feb 175:12PM ETComment Email Print Share By Chad Ford
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http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/category/_/name/truehoop-trade-reports

Conley
It's rare that you hear a new name pop up on the trade front this late in the game, but two sources have told ESPN.com that the Grizzlies have let teams know Mike Conley can be had in exchange for cap relief and a good first-round pick.

The Grizzlies have had an on-again, off-again relationship with Conley since his rookie season. And with Jamaal Tinsley in place, and O.J. Mayo capable of swinging to the point, it sounds like they're ready to cut bait if the right deal comes along.

Although one source stressed that it's unlikely Conley is moved before the trade deadline, it's interesting that his name is even out there.

Wow,

not trading away an existing starting PG becuase of Jammal Tinsley in place!

must really tell you something about Conley for them to give up on a young PG for expirings

AlexAustin
02-17-2010, 07:15 PM
Mike Conley isn't that good but by trading him it will make the mistake of not drafting Tyreke Evans or any other guard over Hasheem Thabeet when they already had a good young starting center more glaring.

vnzla81
02-17-2010, 07:19 PM
this team is so boring that can't even make the trade deadline exticing anymore........:(

pwee31
02-17-2010, 07:21 PM
http://twitter.com/Wells222


O'Brien says he believes the Pacers will not make a move before the deadline 2morrow. 2 minutes ago from web

Sookie
02-17-2010, 07:23 PM
http://twitter.com/Wells222

Well then that means we'll trade half our team, doesn't it.:laugh:

Speed
02-17-2010, 07:36 PM
RT @KCJHoop (http://twitter.com/KCJHoop): Bulls management has told Salmons to remain at team hotel as it works to finalize a trade. Won't play vs. Knicks.


http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA


Things starting to cook now.

Speed
02-17-2010, 07:40 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/cavaliers_trade_for_jamison_hlNp4gbzxDv0RfFUT2Y4fK


By PETER VECSEY
Last Updated: 6:24 PM, February 17, 2010


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/cavaliers_trade_for_jamison_hlNp4gbzxDv0RfFUT2Y4fK #ixzz0fq7OyHhk (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/cavaliers_trade_for_jamison_hlNp4gbzxDv0RfFUT2Y4fK #ixzz0fq7OyHhk)





The Cavaliers, Clippers and Wizards are in the midst of completing a three-way trade that sends Antawn Jamison and Sebastian Telfair to Cleveland; Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Al Thornton to Washington; and Drew Gooden to Los Angeles.
There may be one or two other players involved in the transaction but nobody of consequence.
The deal strongly indicates Amar'e Stoudemire, if traded by the Suns before Thursday's 3 p.m. NBA deadline, is bound for Miami.
By shedding next season's guaranteed contracts belonging to Thornton ($2.8 million) and Telefair ($2.7 million), the Clippers reduced their salary cap to the $33 million range, putting it in prime position to compete this summer for the services of LeBron James or another marquee free agent.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/cavaliers_trade_for_jamison_hlNp4gbzxDv0RfFUT2Y4fK #ixzz0fq7I5fQk (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/cavaliers_trade_for_jamison_hlNp4gbzxDv0RfFUT2Y4fK #ixzz0fq7I5fQk)

jhondog28
02-17-2010, 07:43 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/cavaliers_trade_for_jamison_hlNp4gbzxDv0RfFUT2Y4fK


By PETER VECSEY
Last Updated: 6:24 PM, February 17, 2010


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/cavaliers_trade_for_jamison_hlNp4gbzxDv0RfFUT2Y4fK #ixzz0fq7OyHhk (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/cavaliers_trade_for_jamison_hlNp4gbzxDv0RfFUT2Y4fK #ixzz0fq7OyHhk)





The Cavaliers, Clippers and Wizards are in the midst of completing a three-way trade that sends Antawn Jamison and Sebastian Telfair to Cleveland; Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Al Thornton to Washington; and Drew Gooden to Los Angeles.
There may be one or two other players involved in the transaction but nobody of consequence.
The deal strongly indicates Amar'e Stoudemire, if traded by the Suns before Thursday's 3 p.m. NBA deadline, is bound for Miami.
By shedding next season's guaranteed contracts belonging to Thornton ($2.8 million) and Telefair ($2.7 million), the Clippers reduced their salary cap to the $33 million range, putting it in prime position to compete this summer for the services of LeBron James or another marquee free agent.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/cavaliers_trade_for_jamison_hlNp4gbzxDv0RfFUT2Y4fK #ixzz0fq7I5fQk (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/cavaliers_trade_for_jamison_hlNp4gbzxDv0RfFUT2Y4fK #ixzz0fq7I5fQk)


Wow Clippers are making some hell of deals. Lebron to LA seems about right.

vnzla81
02-17-2010, 07:45 PM
yeah, lets get ready for another year with Murphy as PF/C :suicide:

PacerGuy
02-17-2010, 07:45 PM
Wow Clippers are making some hell of deals. Lebron to LA seems about right.

How ironc would it be if the Clip's signed LeBron w/ the cap space Clev. gave them to get Jamison, the player LeBron wanted.

Speed
02-17-2010, 07:47 PM
Wow Clippers are making some hell of deals. Lebron to LA seems about right.


Bill Simmons has been beating that drum for awhile. It is by far the most talented group/biggest market he could go to. Baron Davis, Kaman, Eric Gordon, Blake Griffen. And LA, crazy, potentially add Lebron, again crazy. I don't know why he wouldn't do it, actually.

PacerGuy
02-17-2010, 07:47 PM
yeah, lets get ready for another year with Murphy as PF/C :suicide:

There's still The Bucke (& maybe the Kings...)
:pray:

vnzla81
02-17-2010, 07:48 PM
There's still The Bucke (& maybe the Kings...)
:pray:

the bucks were shot down by Mike Wells yesterday

vnzla81
02-17-2010, 07:51 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/


@johnhollinger Just a thought: 3rd team in Cle-Was could be Chicago. Z, Moon for Salmons, Jamison, and then trade Gooden into newly created Chi exception

odeez
02-17-2010, 07:51 PM
I am starting to believe nothing will happen for us, it never does... at least it feels that way...

PacerGuy
02-17-2010, 07:52 PM
the bucks were shot down by Mike Wells yesterday

Well doesn't know his A** from a hole in the ground....
There were rumors today that there was still some conversations going on.
Now that our "Plan A" is gone, we will likely explore our own "B & C Plans".

vnzla81
02-17-2010, 07:55 PM
I am starting to believe nothing will happen for us, it never does... at least it feels that way...

yeah Morway was in 1070 the fan today and he sounded like nothing is going to happen

ksuttonjr76
02-17-2010, 07:58 PM
I am starting to believe nothing will happen for us, it never does... at least it feels that way...

It's starting to look like that.

90'sNBARocked
02-17-2010, 08:06 PM
It's starting to look like that.

Cross Murphy off the Cavaiers list

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=15336


It's not immediately clear what Washington will do if they are spurned by the Cavaliers. Miami isn't interested in Jamison. The Boston Celtics remain interested, likely with shooting guard Ray Allen and his expiring contract as their primary offering.

One report has the Wizards sitting the rest of the trade season out if they can't get the Cavaliers deal done, and then re-grouping to see if they can move Jamison in the summer.

It does seem the Cavaliers talks with the Indiana Pacers (Troy Murphy) and Golden State (Corey Maggette) are no longer necessary, and that they will be getting Stoudemire or Jamison.

pwee31
02-17-2010, 08:12 PM
Looks like the Cavs got their guy in Jamison. Wiz get a young player in Thornton AND a 1st round pick, plus Z's expiring. Clips just keep saving money

cdash
02-17-2010, 08:12 PM
How ironc would it be if the Clip's signed LeBron w/ the cap space Clev. gave them to get Jamison, the player LeBron wanted.

They had the cap space to sign him before the trade, actually.

Is there any doubt that Cleveland does not come out of the East this year? Is any other team even close at this point?

Edit: I guess they didn't have the cap space to sign him before the trade. Interesting. My mistake. For some reason with all of Bill Simmons' LeBron-to-Clippers talk, I assumed they had the cap space to actually make it happen.

Midcoasted
02-17-2010, 08:12 PM
Murphy really could have helped a team. I'm sure noone wanted to give up much though, but that is their loss. Shaq/Amare failed once it will fail again...

Justin Tyme
02-17-2010, 09:12 PM
[B]

The Timberwolves also inquired about a possible Darko Milicic (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2171)-for-Brian Cardinal (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=130) deal. The Knicks might be inclined to pull the trigger (it could save them some cash this year) depending on what happens with the Rockets and Celtics.


Minnie has nothing to lose doing this trade. Kahn should jump all over it if for no other reason than Darko is a better bigger big who can play the 4 & 5. He'd be a 30 game rental b4 going back to Europe. Cardinal is indebted to West forever giving him that contract. Cardinal will be extremely lucky to make a NBA team next year, period.

avoidingtheclowns
02-17-2010, 10:31 PM
In case anyone still cares...


Bucks trade chatter rampant. Salmons, murphy on radar.
42 minutes ago from txt

http://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/ (http://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/9262263864)

ksuttonjr76
02-17-2010, 10:36 PM
In case anyone still cares...

Salmons was just dealt to the Bucks for Thomas and Elson. Even with that trade, they still don't have a need for another big.

count55
02-17-2010, 10:37 PM
In case anyone still cares...
Bucks trade chatter rampant. Salmons, murphy on radar.
42 minutes ago from txt

http://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/

Apparently, he's in a sleigh with 8 tiny reindeer...but they've got the mobile SAMs deployed.

vnzla81
02-17-2010, 11:02 PM
the Bucks deal leave the door open for the pacers to trade Murphy, because they traded away two big guys I think


chadfordinsider Bad day for "trade rumors never = trades" curmudgeons. We still have Amare, T-Mac, Hinrich, Murphy out there. Could be more fun tomorrow

vnzla81
02-17-2010, 11:05 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=4922618
Sources: Bulls trade Salmons

The Chicago Bulls and Milwaukee Bucks have agreed to a deal in principle that will send John Salmons to the Bucks for the expiring contracts of Kurt Thomas and Francisco Elson, sources said on Wednesday.

The deal allows the Bulls to clear Salmons $5.8 million salary off the books for next season. That puts them roughly $20 million under the cap next summer as the Bulls make a push to sign free agents like LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.

The deal gives the Bucks a shooting guard to replace the injured Michael Redd.

The Bulls held Salmons out of Wednesday's game at New York in anticipation of a trade.


ESPNChicago.com has learned that Salmons remained at the team's hotel and did not even accompany the Bulls to the arena.

The trade will not be announced until Thursday, and a source told ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan there was a chance the deal would be expanded by the time it is finalized. But no matter what, the end result for Salmons will be a spot in the Bucks' starting backcourt alongside Brandon Jennings.

The Bulls had been trying to force teams interested in Tyrus Thomas to include Salmons in the deal. They had also wanted to include him as part of a package for Houston's Tracy McGrady.

Bulls guard Derrick Rose was unaware of a potential trade before the Knicks game.

"Man, that's crazy thinking about John leaving," Rose said. "He just came here [in a trade with the Kings on Feb. 18, 2009]. But, it's the NBA. If he does get traded we'll definitely miss him, but [the season] must continue."

Rose said trades could affect the focus of a team, but he understands the nature of the business.

"It hurts your team a little bit," he said. "Like when you have a game right after [a trade]. But that's just how the NBA goes.

"People are going to be on your team, the next thing you look up and they could be gone. We'll definitely miss him if he does get traded, but it didn't go through yet, so he's still a part of this team."

Bulls coach Vinny Del Negro said it's tough telling a player not to get on a bus to go to a game.

"It's never easy," he said. "It's never fun. We're dealing with good character people.

"It's part of the business. You just have to deal with it, and move forward."

Del Negro said he wasn't at liberty to discuss the possibility of the Bulls acquiring McGrady.

"There's a lot of speculation out there," he said. "There's a lot of things that as an organization we're working on.

"My focus is on the game, and then I'll talk to [general manager Gar Forman and team president John Paxson] after the game and see where everything's at."

Del Negro doesn't anticipate any potential trades interfering with his team's concentration.

"I think if you've been in the league a while you understand the business part of it," he said. "It just comes with being a pro player. You just hope it works out for everybody [on] both sides. We want to keep our flexibility moving forward and add some if we can.

"Whatever happens is going to happen if it makes sense for both sides. I think players understand that. We have some younger players, but, overall we have good character guys like I've said. They know what their job is tonight. My job is to hopefully get them going early and get them in the game and get them involved."

CableKC
02-17-2010, 11:17 PM
This would leave Ridnour ( $6.5 mil ), Joe Alexander ( $2.58 mil ), Warrick ( $3 mil ) left for the Bucks Expiring Contracts.

Ridnour+Warrick for Murphy+McRoberts still works :pray:

vnzla81
02-17-2010, 11:19 PM
This would leave Ridnour ( $6.5 mil ), Joe Alexander ( $2.58 mil ), Warrick ( $3 mil ) left for the Bucks Expiring Contracts.

Ridnour+Warrick for Murphy+McRoberts still works :pray:

I think is possible, now they need a big guy if they want to make it to the playoffs

CableKC
02-17-2010, 11:21 PM
I think is possible, now they need a big guy if they want to make it to the playoffs
If it were me....I'd look to swing Ridnour's expiring Contract for some assets.

Or, at the very least....see if i can swing something for Watson+Diener.

vnzla81
02-17-2010, 11:24 PM
If it were me....I'd look to swing Ridnour's expiring Contract for some assets.

Or, at the very least....see if i can swing something for Watson+Diener.

I think they are doing something else, they want to go to the playoffs bad and don't care about next year cap space(they got Salmons two years contract)

CableKC
02-17-2010, 11:36 PM
I think they are doing something else, they want to go to the playoffs bad and don't care about next year cap space(they got Salmons two years contract)
Maybe you misunderstood me.....I was suggesting that if we move Murphy+Diener to the Bucks for Ridnour+Warrick....that we try to do a subsequent deal to send Ridnour's contract to some other Team for some other useable assets.

Justin Tyme
02-17-2010, 11:44 PM
Maybe you misunderstood me.....I was suggesting that if we move Murphy+Diener to the Bucks for Ridnour+Warrick....that we try to do a subsequent deal to send Ridnour's contract to some other Team for some other useable assets.


Not enough time for Bird to ponder on a trade then only to come up empty handed.

pwee31
02-17-2010, 11:52 PM
Not sure what the Bucks would do or offer, but I would do the deal without Illyasova.

I'd take Ridnour, Warrick and Alexander and be just fine with that.

Ridnour would be our best PG instantly. Warrick could play the 4 and could actually start the 4 the rest of the season, and many think Alexander is a bust, so you can give him some time just to make sure. If not, they all expire at the end of the season anyways.

You could toss them the home town boy Diener to give them a PG in return.

Bird could even move Watson then if he wanted to for another asset.

Last I heard though the Bucks were wanting to send us Charlie Bell. I wonder who was offered with him.

Still don't expect anything to get done, but the Bucks did get smoked tonight at home against the Rockets so maybe they're a little more desperate... hopefully

DrFife
02-17-2010, 11:57 PM
Maybe you misunderstood me.....I was suggesting that if we move Murphy+Diener to the Bucks for Ridnour+Warrick....that we try to do a subsequent deal to send Ridnour's contract to some other Team for some other useable assets.

I don't see Larry pulling the trigger on just Ridnour & Warrick for Murphy (and whomever). They're just back-up expirings, and Larry may have been able to get that with Z (without Hickson).

If we're going to scheme for 16 more hours, let's let Milwaukee feel as though we're helping them make the playoffs ... and offer them Murphy & Watson for Ridnour, Warrick and their #1.

Seth might send me copies of his pro prospect tapes if this happens. :djmixing:

PR07
02-17-2010, 11:58 PM
I'd rather just hold onto Murphy than deal him for the Bucks package of mediocre talent. He'll probably have a lot more value at next year's deadline, I mean not many teams will have a double-double 10 million expiring big man.

PacerGuy
02-18-2010, 12:13 AM
The trade will not be announced until Thursday, and a source told ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan there was a chance the deal would be expanded by the time it is finalized. But no matter what, the end result for Salmons will be a spot in the Bucks' starting backcourt alongside Brandon Jennings.
The Bulls had been trying to force teams interested in Tyrus Thomas to include Salmons in the deal.

One could only hope it could "expand" to this:

Indiana Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Tyrus Thomas
Luke Ridnour
Charlie Bell
Joe Alexander
Ersan Ilyasova

Outgoing Players
Troy Murphy
Earl Watson
Travis Diener
Luther Head

Chicago Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Earl Watson
Luther Head
Kurt Thomas

Outgoing Players
John Salmons
Tyrus Thomas

Milwaukee Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Troy Murphy
Travis Diener
John Salmons

Outgoing Players
Luke Ridnour
Kurt Thomas
Charlie Bell
Joe Alexander
Ersan Ilyasova

While we do take on salery post-'11, but we get 3 young players - 2 on a 29-game trial, + cap space we want/need.
Chi no longer needs TT, & w/ KH playing more SG, Watson fills a need.
Mil gets Murph & rids themselves of Bell for the cost of Ilyasova.

Just a thought/ hope...

CableKC
02-18-2010, 01:03 AM
I don't see Larry pulling the trigger on just Ridnour & Warrick for Murphy (and whomever). They're just back-up expirings, and Larry may have been able to get that with Z (without Hickson).

If we're going to scheme for 16 more hours, let's let Milwaukee feel as though we're helping them make the playoffs ... and offer them Murphy & Watson for Ridnour, Warrick and their #1.

Seth might send me copies of his pro prospect tapes if this happens. :djmixing:
It's cute that you think that Murphy's value is still worth a 1st round pick....I'm beginning to wonder if we ever got any real offer beyond Expiring contracts for Murphy and that all we ever got were garbage long-term contracts.

Lance George
02-18-2010, 02:21 AM
I'm still holding out hope that we can land Ilyasova. I'm an idiot, I know.

pwee31
02-18-2010, 03:08 AM
Apparently I missed quite a bit of Murphy to the Bucks rumors today. Guess we'll know something by 3PM ET!

Warning. Long article or 2

http://www.fanfeedr.com/nba/2010/02/17/breaking-down-a-potential-troy-murphy-deal-or-in-two-days-this-m



The most talked about potential deal for Milwaukee has been the possible acquisition of Troy Murphy. Murphy is a slick shooting, rebounding, “stretch” four who seems to be a logical answer to the question, who can help the Bucks become more efficient on offense and do a better job on the boards? Murphy slides Luc Richard Mbah a Moute back down to the three, his most natural position in my opinion, and gives the Bucks a burly looking front-court. But at what price?

Talks have centered around expiring Buck contracts. Murphy’s contract calls for $11,047,619 this season and $11,968,253 next season. So, the Bucks could toss the combined $12 million in expiring contracts of Kurt Thomas, Luke Ridnour and Francisco Elson at the Pacers and make the numbers work. But from a pure talent standpoint, that would be crazy for the Pacers to accept. So they wouldn’t take something like that, especially if the Bucks aren’t willing to part with a first round pick (which hasn’t really been established either way at this point from what I understand, though the Bucks appear to be leaning against doing this). Indiana would probably counter (and reportedly has) with the inclusion of a young player in the trade, specifically Ersan Ilyasova. So, the Bucks would need to adjust the trade and replace Elson with Ilyasova. The numbers work, but now the Bucks are giving up two expiring contracts and a young player with (possibly) vast potential for the right to take a player off the Pacers hands that isn’t really helping them win games anyway.

In addition, this sets the Bucks back for next season. The addition of Murphy and subtraction of Ilyasova would leave the Bucks with a payroll of $59,815,722 without including rookies and any free agents they’d want to add to their roster which would stand at nine. A few more signings and the Bucks are getting awfully close to the luxury tax line, which is at roughly $69 million this year and will likely be lower next.

Isn’t that a little unbalanced? The Pacers don’t NEED Troy Murphy. He probably is doing them more harm than good right now due to his contract size. So the Pacers are more or less asking the Bucks to take his contract off their hands and give them a young player too. Well, the Bucks have reportedly rebuked that offer and countered with the rationale that if they are taking a contract off the Pacers hands and giving them a young player, the Pacers must do something for the Bucks. Namely, taking the (small, but lengthy and therefore burdensome) contract of Charlie Bell back in return. As I just detailed, the Bucks would really harm their financial flexibility next season (they’d regain it after Murphy, Michael Redd and Dan Gadzuric would total over $37 million in expiring contracts next season) by taking on Murphy’s deal. Including Bell and the remaining seven million dollars left on his deal allows the Bucks more wiggle room.

So here’s a likely Bucks proposal, assuming the Pacers are hung up on getting Ilyasova and the Bucks really want Murphy:
Bucks give: Thomas, Ridnour, Ilyasova and Bell
Pacers give: Murphy and Brandon Rush

The Bucks take on $14,037,293 in future salary obligations, but alleviates them of the $7,951,360 in Charlie Bell’s future money, leaving them on the hook for just $6,085,933 additional money for the services of Murphy and Rush.

Inlcuding Bell would be the key to this deal if the Bucks were forced to give up Ilyasova. But even in this situation, the best of the best financially, the Bucks are still not getting Murphy for nothing. The Bucks operate in the harsh reality that is small market NBA basketball. Something for nothing is never an option when every dollar counts.


I personally wouldn't add Rush to a deal. Obviously with Thomas and Elson being traded for Salmons. I'm guessing our deal will revolve around Ridnour and Ilyasova, with the Bucks asking the Pacers to take Charlie Bell in the process


another tidbit

http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/article_external/Milwaukee_Bucks_Trade_Rumors_Troy_Murphy_From_Indy _Michael_Redd_Staying_Put/2100964?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter



Dime: What are you hearing out in Milwaukee?
Jeremy Schmidt: There’s actually now been some rumblings about a deal with the Pacers. If the Bucks were to take on Troy Murphy, I’d think they’d move Kurt’s expiring, Luke’s expiring and then either Hak or Ersan, probably Ersan. Murphy has a year left after this one so he doesn’t kill the Bucks there. Pacers would probably rather have Ersan than Warrick, for the simple fact that we all know what Warrick is and Ersan can be better/may already be as good.

Dime: What does Murphy bring to Milwaukee?
JS: Murphy gives the Bucks the rebounding and outside shooting that Ersan provides, but isn’t as good a defender, fortunately Bogut covers everyone’s *** there.

pwee31
02-18-2010, 03:13 AM
Looks like the Salmons deal may have involved 2 different expiring contracts

http://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel


Barring last minute change, Bucks will get John Salmons for Hakim Warrick and Joe Alexander. More at myjournaltimes.com

CableKC
02-18-2010, 03:32 AM
I'm still holding out hope that we can land Ilyasova. I'm an idiot, I know.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that we trade Murphy to the Bucks....not for Ilyasova....but for Expiring Contracts. ;)

My absolute guess?

Murphy+Diener ( or Solo )

for

Kurt Thomas + Ridnour

From what I have been reading.....there are conflicting reports that the deal for Salmons is either for Warrick/Alexander or Kurt Thomas/Elson. I'm totally guessing here ( based off of what I have been reading on RealGM ) is that if Kurt Thomas isn't going to the Bulls...he's going to be offered as part of a package with Ridnour for Murphy and filler. Kurt+Ridnour works for Murphy+filler....Warrick+Ridnour doesn't work ( salarywise )

I'm totally guessing here....hence the "green" post....cuz I'm bored and maybe holding out hope for something that may not be there.....but I can totally see this happening. Despite his age....didn't someone here compare Kurt Thomas to Dale Davis? :devil:

EDIT - NM.....what pwee31 said.

Justin Tyme
02-18-2010, 09:49 AM
I'm still holding out hope that we can land Ilyasova. I'm an idiot, I know.


I don't think so, b/c I like Illy as well. I'd also like to get Ridnour and Warrick. Sure none of them are allstars, but they are better than what Bird got in last years offseason. I've kept my eye on Illy this year and Warrick the last couple both are nice players.

ksuttonjr76
02-18-2010, 10:18 AM
I rather have Warwick, because of his inability to hit 3's.

avoidingtheclowns
02-18-2010, 01:25 PM
Tyrus is a Bobkitty?



Chicago has agreed in principle to trade Tyrus Thomas to Charlotte for Flip Murray, Acie Law and a future first round pick, a source tells Y
9 minutes ago from web

link: Charlotte trades for Tyrus Thomas http://tinyurl.com/y95kkth
2 minutes ago from web


http://twitter.com/wojYahooNBA

pwee31
02-18-2010, 02:10 PM
http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ


Just filed to ESPN.com with @chadfordinsider: Utah and Miami have opened discussions on a possible Carlos Boozer deal before 3 PM deadline

count55
02-18-2010, 02:16 PM
STEIN_LINE_HQ

Sources close to the situation tell ESPN.com that all three teams have reached agreement on deal to send T-Mac to New York

avoidingtheclowns
02-18-2010, 02:17 PM
Chad Ford...


Looks like Jazz are going to say no to Heat on Boozer. Heat made the effort, but aren't offering enough (linkage coming soon) ...
19 minutes ago from web


Heat being awfully protective of 2 mid first round picks. They're trying to build a title contender. Those picks won't get minutes.
8 minutes ago from web


Jazz playing really well right now. Needed a replacement for Boozer (Haslem) + upside (pick or player). Miami hasn't offered latter ...yet
5 minutes ago from web


http://twitter.com/chadfordinsider

Speed
02-18-2010, 02:18 PM
STEIN_LINE_HQ

Sources close to the situation tell ESPN.com that all three teams have reached agreement on deal to send T-Mac to New York

As Arn Tellum laughs maniacly in the background.

count55
02-18-2010, 02:19 PM
# STEIN_LINE_HQ

Sources say Kings get Carl Landry, Joey Dorsey and Larry Hughes 5 minutes ago from TweetDeck

STEIN_LINE_HQ

Sources say Houston gets Kevin Martin, Jared Jeffries, right to swap first-round picks with NYK in 2011 and New York's first-rounder in 2012 6 minutes ago from TweetDeck

Speed
02-18-2010, 02:21 PM
# STEIN_LINE_HQ

Sources say Kings get Carl Landry, Joey Dorsey and Larry Hughes 5 minutes ago from TweetDeck

STEIN_LINE_HQ

Sources say Houston gets Kevin Martin, Jared Jeffries, right to swap first-round picks with NYK in 2011 and New York's first-rounder in 2012 6 minutes ago from TweetDeck

Walsh finally moved Jared Jeffries. Does this allow him to pursue two max players, now?

count55
02-18-2010, 02:22 PM
Walsh finally moved Jared Jeffries. Does this allow him to pursue two max players, now?

I think so...but I'd have to see all of the players.

count55
02-18-2010, 02:35 PM
STEIN_LINE_HQ

ESPN.com link has Jordan Hill in the deal because he IS in the deal and Houston-bound. Accidentally omitted from tweets http://bit.ly/99dTum

Speed
02-18-2010, 02:37 PM
Houston has done well. Even losing Landry who I really like, they get Jordan Hill as a prospect. Nicely done. If Yao can come back, I like that team. Well fitted pieces, I think.

wintermute
02-18-2010, 02:45 PM
Walsh finally moved Jared Jeffries. Does this allow him to pursue two max players, now?

but at what price? you'd think the knicks would be wary of trading future picks by now. walsh has heavily mortgaged the knicks' future.

jordan hill, right to swap 2011 picks, the 2012 pick - that's possibly 3 lottery picks right there.

obviously, walsh thinks they'll be pretty good, so the future picks won't be worth much. but if their 2 max free agent plan fails for any reason (chemistry, injury, etc), it would be a catastrophe of isiah thomas proportions.

count55
02-18-2010, 02:50 PM
but at what price? you'd think the knicks would be wary of trading future picks by now. walsh has heavily mortgaged the knicks' future.

jordan hill, right to swap 2011 picks, the 2012 pick - that's possibly 3 lottery picks right there.

obviously, walsh thinks they'll be pretty good, so the future picks won't be worth much. but if their 2 max free agent plan fails for any reason (chemistry, injury, etc), it would be a catastrophe of isiah thomas proportions.

Walsh is committed to the 2010 plan. He knows that if he doesn't deliver at least one, if not two max guys, he's done.

Let's put it this way, if the 2012 pick is a high one, Walsh won't be around to care.

pwee31
02-18-2010, 02:52 PM
If the Knicks don't land big time FAs, they're screwed b/c they've pretty much given up all the good draft picks they may land.

Looks like Walsh is all in at the NBA poker table