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vnzla81
02-09-2010, 07:01 AM
They continue bashing Brandon Rush, 12.7pts and 51% in 3s in the last 13games and that is bad? he is maybe the more productive player in the whole team, he does the small things, plays defense on the other team best player, block shots and get rebounds, I don't understand what is JOB deal? if you want him just to play just offense and score points make somebody play defense just the same way they do with Danny. "SORRY ABOUT THE LINK"
http://www.indystar.com/article/20100209/SPORTS04/2090342/1004/SPORTS/Pacers-still-mystified-by-Rush-s-inconsistency


Trying to solve the mystery of Brandon Rush is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
His body language and expressions are the same whether he has scored 20 points or missed 10 consecutive shots.




"That's always been me. I never show too much emotion," Rush said. "I never show it when I get down on myself or anything like that. That's always been my personality. It's too late to change me."
His teammates have tried to encourage him only to receive an occasional cold shoulder. His coaches have basically given up trying to flip the right switch. Coach Jim O'Brien can't talk about the second-year swingman without looking flustered or throwing up his arms in annoyance.
What drives those in the organization up a wall is that Rush has as much potential as anybody on the roster.
He starts the game defending players the way LeBron James and Kobe Bryant defend. He can rebound. He can shoot from the perimeter and attack the basket. But he also has had 27 games in which he failed to reach double figures in scoring.
Recently, Rush has found a rhythm offensively. He is averaging 12.7 points over the past 13 games. He has failed to reach double figures in just three of those games. Rush also has made 51 percent of his 3-point attempts in the past nine games.
What brought on the scoring surge?
"We don't know, but we didn't have to do anything to turn on a light bulb," O'Brien said. "He just seems to find his level. We try not to bother him too much."
Rush's recent play reminds people of how he closed last season, when he averaged 15.9 points and shot 47 percent, including 41 percent on 3-pointers, in the final 12 games.
The last thing the Pacers want is for Rush to revert to the player who got off to a slow start this season and dealt with confidence issues. He is too talented to let his offensive game dictate other things he does on the court.
"I'm certainly hoping the production he has given us over the last 15 games or so is who he is because he's playing really well," O'Brien said. "He's shooting the ball at a very high clip with a lot of confidence. On-ball defense is good. We certainly need to continue to grow him off the ball because we think he can be a special defensive player. But I'm hoping and praying that this is who he is."

sportfireman
02-09-2010, 07:37 AM
Rush is not what they want him to be........Rush is what he is doing down. I've posted before Rush is a Bruce Bowen type player his style and mentality is the same as Bowen. Rush is a better shooter but game style and play, are both the same. Bowen excelled in a structured half court offense, so will Rush when given the chance. Could you imagine Bowen in the gun and gun offense doing well???........exactly and Rush won't do well until we change coaches.

And Flim is a terrible coach that is ruining our young players ...........

vnzla81
02-09-2010, 07:47 AM
Rush is not what they want him to be........Rush is what he is doing down. I've posted before Rush is a Bruce Bowen type player his style and mentality is the same as Bowen. Rush is a better shooter but game style and play, are both the same. Bowen excelled in a structured half court offense, so will Rush when given the chance. Could you imagine Bowen in the gun and gun offense doing well???........exactly and Rush won't do well until we change coaches.

And Flim is a terrible coach that is ruining our young players ...........

I been saying the same thing also, everytime he makes a 3 he receives the ball and shoot, he is not the kind of player who creates his own shot, ofcourse the guy is a more athletic player than BB and should be able to get an easy dunk here and there.

Anthem
02-09-2010, 07:52 AM
Of all the problems this team has, I'd say inconsistency from Rush would be pretty low on my list.

I'm more mystified by our coach's inconsistency. Just imagine if the players said (publicly) the kind of stuff about him that he says about them.

sportfireman
02-09-2010, 08:29 AM
Of all the problems this team has, I'd say inconsistency from Rush would be pretty low on my list.

I'm more mystified by our coach's inconsistency. Just imagine if the players said (publicly) the kind of stuff about him that he says about them.

its about time the team as a whole did step up and say these things about Flim.

Putnam
02-09-2010, 08:41 AM
Part of this is the lack of appreciation for the meaning of "average." Wells implies that a player who averages 12 points a game ought to score 12 points every game. Or that if he averages 12 then he is capable of stepping up and averaging 18. Or something.

But the average means little. Whatever a player's average in any category, he is still likely to exceed it or fall short of it on any given night. Consistency is a desirable quality in a player, but there's no saying that a player who can score 12 one night can do it every night.


Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Scottie Pippin, Elton Brand, Michael Jordan, Dikembe Motumbo, Rasheed Wallace and Shane Battier are some of the NBA players who have started a game, played more than 40 minutes, and scored 3 or fewer points. Many of them are Hall of Famers with career averages in the double digits. But they were not consistent every single night the stepped on the floor.


Let's just start calling Brandon Rush "Satan 2" or "Son of McKey" or something like that and let him play his game.

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sportfireman
02-09-2010, 09:11 AM
Part of this is the lack of appreciation for the meaning of "average." Wells implies that a player who averages 12 points a game ought to score 12 points every game. Or that if he averages 12 then he is capable of stepping up and averaging 18. Or something.

But the average means little. Whatever a player's average in any category, he is still likely to exceed it or fall short of it on any given night. Consistency is a desirable quality in a player, but there's no saying that a player who can score 12 one night can do it every night.


Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Scottie Pippin, Elton Brand, Michael Jordan, Dikembe Motumbo, Rasheed Wallace and Shane Battier are some of the NBA players who have started a game, played more than 40 minutes, and scored 3 or fewer points. Many of them are Hall of Famers with career averages in the double digits. But they were not consistent every single night the stepped on the floor.


Let's just start calling Brandon Rush "Satan 2" or "Son of McKey" or something like that and let him play his game.

.
thats what i want........

graphic-er
02-09-2010, 09:24 AM
Rush is not what they want him to be........Rush is what he is doing down. I've posted before Rush is a Bruce Bowen type player his style and mentality is the same as Bowen. Rush is a better shooter but game style and play, are both the same. Bowen excelled in a structured half court offense, so will Rush when given the chance. Could you imagine Bowen in the gun and gun offense doing well???........exactly and Rush won't do well until we change coaches.

And Flim is a terrible coach that is ruining our young players ...........

It is very obvious to see now that JOB is terrible at developing young players. his offense is too free wheeling. And he only cares about offensive production. Defense is just gravy for him.

jhondog28
02-09-2010, 09:30 AM
OK I just read this and to me this article is not talking about his play. This article is talking about his lack of emotion and I think it is dead on. Rush never shows a lot of emotion. I mentioned it in a game thread earlier. I think most players on this team are inconsistent including the coach. But I think this article is not bashing Rush for his inconsistency on the court but is just talking about how he does not show emotion.

sportfireman
02-09-2010, 09:40 AM
OK I just read this and to me this article is not talking about his play. This article is talking about his lack of emotion and I think it is dead on. Rush never shows a lot of emotion. I mentioned it in a game thread earlier. I think most players on this team are inconsistent including the coach. But I think this article is not bashing Rush for his inconsistency on the court but is just talking about how he does not show emotion.

thats not who he is ...............i'm sick of this coaching staff trying to turn our young guys into what they want.....let them be who they are.

if Rush goes out there and averages 14 ppg 1 blk 1 stl 3 ast.....and it's helping us win......i don't care if he doesnt smile or yell YEAH all game as long as he gives 100% why should it matter if he's "fired up" or not.

he we can go after Artest and Jax they show emotion


WOW I REALLY HATE this coaching staff!!!!!!!!......Flim that is.

sportfireman
02-09-2010, 09:45 AM
OK I just read this and to me this article is not talking about his play. This article is talking about his lack of emotion and I think it is dead on. Rush never shows a lot of emotion. I mentioned it in a game thread earlier. I think most players on this team are inconsistent including the coach. But I think this article is not bashing Rush for his inconsistency on the court but is just talking about how he does not show emotion.
your right i just reread the article and the title again and the title is misleading.......what does inconsistentcy have to due with lack of emotion??

should have titled the article "Pacer's Rush in no Rush" or something corny like that.........

HC
02-09-2010, 09:55 AM
your right i just reread the article and the title again and the title is misleading.......what does inconsistentcy have to due with lack of emotion??

should have titled the article "Pacer's Rush in no Rush" or something corny like that.........

They are still flipping switches and in an attempt to throw us off track have declared that they ceased in doing such. :shrug:

Thesterovic
02-09-2010, 10:37 AM
I think Brandon is a type of player that wants to do very well, but just gets lost in the paint with the big boys, and an extremely streaky shooter. He also lacks explosiveness, something I thought would of been brought up while i've been gone. He never blows by defenders, mostly because he's too decisive with the ball, and he just doesn't want to bulldoze into the paint and draw fouls. He feels lost because he doesn't know where people are going to be and he doesn't know what to do when he gets into trouble. I believe that has more to do with the structure, or lack thereof, of our offense.

I also think that Brandon should start going inside-out to get his game going. What I mean is, he should try to get to the basket, or get putbacks, and just make plays, so that it opens up it perimeter game. He also needs to improve moving off the ball, making backdoor cuts so that he can become that player that is "always at the right place at the right time". But anyway, with attacking the basket, the defender will eventually sag off, taking the drive away, leaving him open for threes.

Oh, defense. Forgot what that was for awhile. His is great. I especially like his on-ball defense, but his decision-making on the defensive end shouldn't go unnoticed. He'd lie under the PnR on a bad shooter, and fight through on a very good perimeter shooter, thus lockdown time on Ray Allen and Rip Hamilton when Rush gets to guard them. He's too strong and laterally quick to let them get past him when he plays tight, so they have to work extremely hard to get their shots off, and Rush usually turns them into turnover machines. Rush especially made Rip plain awful, forcing him to take near impossible shots, and also causing Rip to make bad passes.

Shade
02-09-2010, 10:47 AM
I'm starting to think TPTB severely mis-scouted Rush to begin with.

PacerGuy
02-09-2010, 10:50 AM
I have a gut feeling we are being set up to accept some B.S. B.Rush trade. :(

I fear he will be packaged w another (Murph/Ford) & we will not like what we get in return. Likely an expiring & a pick or some half-a** big or something. It will be largely a money dump, but will be spun as something else ("Good for Bradon & good for Us"). L.Head will take B.Rushes spot & we will have him + 3 PG's (if Murph is delt) in the PG/SG 4-man rotation for the remainder of the year.
Just my gut feel, & I'm not happy about it.

Mr. Sobchak
02-09-2010, 10:53 AM
He also lacks explosiveness, something I thought would of been brought up while i've been gone. He never blows by defenders, mostly because he's too decisive with the ball, and he just doesn't want to bulldoze into the paint and draw fouls. He feels lost because he doesn't know where people are going to be and he doesn't know what to do when he gets into trouble. I believe that has more to do with the structure, or lack thereof, of our offense.

I disagree here. Brandon is arguably the best athlete on the team. He has the capabilities to get to the bucket and throw it down but he just hasn't for some reason. IMO the problem lies with his ball handling. He dribbles too high to get to the rim on a consistent basis. I also know that he is working on this and it should be corrected in due time.

Anthem
02-09-2010, 11:06 AM
Maybe my expectations for the kid were too low, but I don't get the hand-wringing with Rush. This is what you get in a second-year mid-round pick.

Of all the complaints I've head about a Pacer in the past 5 years, I think this is the first I've heard "too calm." Really, that's what we're complaining about now? In other players we'd call that "professionalism."

Obie's frustration with Rush isn't based on his defense, rebounding, or passing. It's based on his shooting and aggressiveness on the offensive end. Don't dress it up in emotion, coach. Call it what it is. You want him to be a gun.

sportfireman
02-09-2010, 11:11 AM
Ok mods, I'm in total agreement of PD's link policy. But maybe instead of deleting the entire thread and the discussion that went with it, we could just delete the text of the original post and replace it with <CITATION NEEDED> or something?
Back on track, here's the comment I wrote for the now-deceased thread.

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Maybe my expectations for the kid were too low, but I don't get the hand-wringing with Rush. This is what you get in a second-year mid-round pick.

Of all the complaints I've head about a Pacer in the past 5 years, I think this is the first I've heard "too calm." Really, that's what we're complaining about now? In other players we'd call that "professionalism."

Obie's frustration with Rush isn't based on his defense, rebounding, or passing. It's based on his shooting and aggressiveness on the offensive end. Don't dress it up in emotion, coach. Call it what it is. You want him to be a gun.

very nice suggestion...........because I don't even remember exactly what was being discussed. Kind of like being put on hold in a phone conversation and them coming back and you're lost and just say I'll call you back.

so um "I'll call you back."

PacerGuy
02-09-2010, 11:14 AM
As I was typing while the thread I was involved with was RUDELY interrupt....errr ...... deleted! :mad:
(Thanks Anthem for stating it well & for restarting a "hypothetical" thread w/ very real content, thought & interest)

In Re to Speed' "Mis-scouted Rush comment:

Maybe in part, but IMO it's they mis-picked his style & JO'B's working together.
I like BR. I am maddened by him not taking the step he looked like he had in part already taken at the end of l/y, but I like that he has a complete box score. IMO he needs someone to take him under his wing - not someone we hire & stick him with, but a vet who bond w/ him & make him better. I thought Danny might be that guy, but I don't see him that way anymore.

On a side thought, but wome what related:
*Isn't it both sad & ironic that no one on this team is better this year then last year except Roy, & Roy is the least fit w/ what JO'B wants to do?

*This is NOT a "JO'B is a bad coach" shot. I am getting tierd of reading those. I think JO'B is a good coach, but just not for this team & more importantly this roster. Those that say he is a bad coach do not like his style/philosophy, but that is different from his coaching abilities.

sportfireman
02-09-2010, 11:15 AM
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20102090342


Trying to solve the mystery of Brandon Rush is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

His body language and expressions are the same whether he has scored 20 points or missed 10 consecutive shots.




"That's always been me. I never show too much emotion," Rush said. "I never show it when I get down on myself or anything like that. That's always been my personality. It's too late to change me."

His teammates have tried to encourage him only to receive an occasional cold shoulder. His coaches have basically given up trying to flip the right switch. Coach Jim O'Brien can't talk about the second-year swingman without looking flustered or throwing up his arms in annoyance.

What drives those in the organization up a wall is that Rush has as much potential as anybody on the roster.

He starts the game defending players the way LeBron James and Kobe Bryant defend. He can rebound. He can shoot from the perimeter and attack the basket. But he also has had 27 games in which he failed to reach double figures in scoring.

Recently, Rush has found a rhythm offensively. He is averaging 12.7 points over the past 13 games. He has failed to reach double figures in just three of those games. Rush also has made 51 percent of his 3-point attempts in the past nine games.

What brought on the scoring surge?

"We don't know, but we didn't have to do anything to turn on a light bulb," O'Brien said. "He just seems to find his level. We try not to bother him too much."

Rush's recent play reminds people of how he closed last season, when he averaged 15.9 points and shot 47 percent, including 41 percent on 3-pointers, in the final 12 games.

The last thing the Pacers want is for Rush to revert to the player who got off to a slow start this season and dealt with confidence issues. He is too talented to let his offensive game dictate other things he does on the court.

"I'm certainly hoping the production he has given us over the last 15 games or so is who he is because he's playing really well," O'Brien said. "He's shooting the ball at a very high clip with a lot of confidence. On-ball defense is good. We certainly need to continue to grow him off the ball because we think he can be a special defensive player. But I'm hoping and praying that this is who he is."

travmil
02-09-2010, 11:21 AM
Those that say he is a bad coach do not like his style/philosophy, but that is different from his coaching abilities.

I have to disagree here. JOB might be able to coach his style like nobody's business. Part of being a good coach is recognizing your own limitations, and that of your roster, and adjusting accordingly. If the roster doesn't fit your style, one of them needs to be changed and it sure isn't gonna be the roster. It's precisely his refusal to adjust his style that makes him a bad coach, or at the very least stubborn to his own detriment.

sportfireman
02-09-2010, 11:25 AM
I have to disagree here. JOB might be able to coach his style like nobody's business. Part of being a good coach is recognizing your own limitations, and that of your roster, and adjusting accordingly. If the roster doesn't fit your style, one of them needs to be changed and it sure isn't gonna be the roster. It's precisely his refusal to adjust his style that makes him a bad coach, or at the very least stubborn to his own detriment.

ding ding ding.............EXACTLY a good coach should be able to adjust just like he wants his players to adjust , not be stubborn and bull headed.

PacerGuy
02-09-2010, 11:32 AM
I have to disagree here. JOB might be able to coach his style like nobody's business. Part of being a good coach is recognizing your own limitations, and that of your roster, and adjusting accordingly. If the roster doesn't fit your style, one of them needs to be changed and it sure isn't gonna be the roster. It's precisely his refusal to adjust his style that makes him a bad coach, or at the very least stubborn to his own detriment.

In part, yes, but JO'B was hired because 1). he is a good coach & basketball mind, 2). he favors the style TPTB wanted to play, & 3). familuarity, LB new JO'B & felt he was the right guy at the right time.
Now, you can argue those choices, but like JO'B, the are what they are. If you hire Mike Martz to coach your team, you are going to throw the football, if you hire Bobby knight you will run motion offense, if you hire Tony LaRusa, you will run the bases.... Coaches do need to make adjustments, & some of the greats can even change styles, but I never called JO'B great, not do I think he is capable of straying too far away from what he knows. He is doing what we hired him to be

Anyway, lets PLEASE not have another JO'B thread here. I think the BRANDON RUSH topic is worthy of discussion. IMO it does relate in that I don't think JO'B & B.Rush fit, but that is it.

PaceBalls
02-09-2010, 12:14 PM
In part, yes, but JO'B was hired because 1). he is a good coach & basketball mind, 2). he favors the style TPTB wanted to play, & 3). familuarity, LB new JO'B & felt he was the right guy at the right time.
Now, you can argue those choices, but like JO'B, the are what they are. If you hire Mike Martz to coach your team, you are going to throw the football, if you hire Bobby knight you will run motion offense, if you hire Tony LaRusa, you will run the bases.... Coaches do need to make adjustments, & some of the greats can even change styles, but I never called JO'B great, not do I think he is capable of straying too far away from what he knows. He is doing what we hired him to be

Anyway, lets PLEASE not have another JO'B thread here. I think the BRANDON RUSH topic is worthy of discussion. IMO it does relate in that I don't think JO'B & B.Rush fit, but that is it.

That is a big part of it though, Brandon does not fit Jim's system. In fact, most of the team does not. In fact most of the NBA does not. It seems only hall of famers (especially the ones who stretch the defense) fit this system. If only we had Kobe, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan we might make the playoffs.

Naptown_Seth
02-09-2010, 12:29 PM
I have to disagree here. JOB might be able to coach his style like nobody's business. Part of being a good coach is recognizing your own limitations, and that of your roster, and adjusting accordingly. If the roster doesn't fit your style, one of them needs to be changed and it sure isn't gonna be the roster. It's precisely his refusal to adjust his style that makes him a bad coach, or at the very least stubborn to his own detriment.
A GOOD coach adjusts, not just great ones. Just emphasizing what you said which I agree with.

I'm tired of letting guys off the hook as if only Phil, Pop and Sloan can adjust to different rosters. I'm not even trying to bash him here because I'm done with that myself.

But with that in mind it's much easier to let it go when I don't have to keep seeing these player rips from the coach.

"You don't like JOB, we get it, stop complaining". Ok, not a problem.

"You don't like Rush, we get it, stop complaining"...right back at ya.

Until then I continue to worry when I see these evaluations of Rush, who by most accounts plays a steady, good awareness game based in large part around being the best defender on the team (yes, clearly better than the off/on Dahntay).

To me if there's a guy you are penciling in every day and not worrying about his production, it's Brandon. He will impact every game somehow, even if he's not scoring. He's one of the few things a coach doesn't have to worry about, and from my coaching days my opinion is that those guys are my favorite. They make your job easier.

imawhat
02-09-2010, 12:33 PM
That is a big part of it though, Brandon does fit Jim's system. In fact, most of the team does not. In fact most of the NBA does not. It seems only hall of famers (and guys who stretch the defense) fit this system. If only we had Kobe, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan we might make the playoffs.

Magic 1) doesn't shoot the three good enough and 2) dominates the ball too much for Jim's liking. He'd need to learn how to initiate the offense by setting up Kevin in the high post and cutting.

PaceBalls
02-09-2010, 12:34 PM
He is my favorite on the team as well, it's like we are watching a completely different season than the coaching staff.

They better not trade him as some filler just to get rid of TJ. I think that would be the last straw for me. Actually I'm out of straws, but that would really suck.

Hicks
02-09-2010, 12:37 PM
My apologies for my blunt handling of the previous thread. It was done out of haste and frustration over repeated issues with absent inks, but I should have just edited the first post and left the thread alone.

I'm going to re open it and merge these two together.

Hicks
02-09-2010, 12:40 PM
I would ask, however, that you PM me with these kinds of comments instead of putting them on the public stage.

PaceBalls
02-09-2010, 12:42 PM
Magic 1) doesn't shoot the three good enough and 2) dominates the ball too much for Jim's liking. He'd need to learn how to initiate the offense by setting up Kevin in the high post and cutting.

I can totally see Jim benching Magic and going with the 30 year old vet with a 1 year contract.

Trophy
02-09-2010, 12:54 PM
No one on this team is being consistent. He's probably been our best consistent scorer than anyone else.

Naptown_Seth
02-09-2010, 12:58 PM
Let's just start calling Brandon Rush "Satan 2" or "Son of McKey" or something like that and let him play his game.

I literally said this since way back before the draft, and all night at the draft party as well, and I think in the PD party before the season.

He's the SG version of McKey. The only thing is I think most of us now understand the McKey type, whereas the coach seems to be struggling to come to grips with it.

McKey was a #7 pick BTW, so getting "him" at 13th (plus 1 year of Jack which should have been longer) is a pretty solid choice.


As I've said in other threads, this team has a lot of key pieces that look much like the 90's version:

Reggie = Danny
Rik = Roy
McKey = Rush

What they need is Mark Jackson and the Davis boys. I don't think Tyler fits the bill (nor Josh ;) ). Price is maybe an upgrade on Best, but I don't think he's Jax.

You don't get Jax till you clear salary, but you could draft one of the Davis boys this year. Unfortunately I think a Jax is more critical.

Oh, and you need a Larry Brown/Rick Carlisle coaching too. ;)

Infinite MAN_force
02-09-2010, 01:16 PM
This article is ridiculous, Brandon has been playing some of his best ball recently.

I can't wait to get a real coach in here. Its stuff like this that makes me question the Mcroberts situation, another passive offensive player who brings defense and intangibles. Gee no wonder he doesn't get time. Brandon Rush plays a smart game, but obviously by his comments JOB would prefer he jack more shots. This coach is a detriment to this team.

For the love of God can we please have a new coach next season???

Thesterovic
02-09-2010, 01:20 PM
I'm afraid we'd have new players before we'd have a new coach. I'm starting to believe he's here for the long run.

Bball
02-09-2010, 01:22 PM
For the love of God can we please have a new coach next game???

Fixed.

I agree with the rest of you... Brandon isn't jacking up shots left and right. That's what matters to O'Brien.

Kid Minneapolis
02-09-2010, 01:57 PM
Ya, I firmly subscribe to the theory that you work with what you got and use the system that best utilizes the strengths of your "parts"... not try to force-fit the parts you have into your preferred "system", whether they are a good fit or not. Which is what seems to be happening here in Indy. Even if the coaching staff is actually trying to do that, it's hard to tell... and it isn't working, so they need to go down a different avenue.

I also wish we'd see more continuity in our line-up... not changing the line-up every game. Take the five players that work the best together in whatever system they are most comfortable in, and then leave it alone and let that line-up build up time and experience together. Chemistry... it's how you win consistently.

Dr. Awesome
02-09-2010, 01:59 PM
I'm afraid we'd have new players before we'd have a new coach. I'm starting to believe he's here for the long run.

I've thought the same thing for 2 years now. I think Bird is too stubborn to fire him.

gummy
02-09-2010, 02:55 PM
This article is mostly recycled from a week or so ago. I wonder why? Do they have nothing else to write about?

vnzla81
02-09-2010, 02:57 PM
This article is mostly recycled from a week or so ago. I wonder why? Do they have nothing else to write about?

I think Mike Wells asked JOB what was wrong with the team and he came with the same excuse.

gummy
02-09-2010, 03:08 PM
I think Mike Wells asked JOB what was wrong with the team and he came with the same excuse.

If Brandon shooting over 50% from 3 over the last 13 or 14 games isn't enough to make JOB like him it's never going to happen. Maybe the problem is Jim thinks Rush should obviously be shooting more 3's since he hits so many. :rolleyes:

I do wonder if this repeated focus on Brandon's "inconsistency" in the press is to set us up for a trade. Here's a guy who can defend at an elite level, can rebound very well for a SG, can give you some assists and steals and a block every other game. He's finding his NBA three point range after being a good long range shooter in college, he's got good court awareness. He's a second year player who is a somewhat inconsistent scorer and needs to work on his dribble drive, who has spent his whole NBA career working in an offensive system that many people think is less than desirable with a coach that specializes in mixed messages/actions. Total bust. Let's trade him! ;)

I'm tired of the Rush *****ing, especially when he's in the midst of his best scoring stretch of the season. Give it a rest, coach.

ChicagoJ
02-09-2010, 03:11 PM
ding ding ding.............EXACTLY a good coach should be able to adjust just like he wants his players to adjust , not be stubborn and bull headed.

There are two types of coaches. Now I'm not saying Jim is in the other type of coach, but there are two types.

(a) Those that can adopt to the skills and abilities of their roster and

(b) Those than have the power to get a GM to build a roster around thier mindset.

As you all know, I'm not a big Rick Carlisle fan. But during his first season with the Pacers, he did an excellent job of #1.

But Larry Brown didn't take Bo Hill's roster and get a better record out of them. He forced Donnie into a number of roster changes to fit his style.

Unfortunately for Pacers fans, Jim hasn't shown "a" and hasn't been given "b".

And that's a recipe for disaster.

d_c
02-09-2010, 03:12 PM
I disagree here. Brandon is arguably the best athlete on the team. He has the capabilities to get to the bucket and throw it down but he just hasn't for some reason.

FWIW, he was criticized for the same thing while going up against college players.

McKeyFan
02-09-2010, 03:14 PM
It was done out of haste and frustration over repeated issues with absent inks

Your inks are pretty challenged, too.

:zip:

McKeyFan
02-09-2010, 03:18 PM
I've thought the same thing for 2 years now. I think Bird is too stubborn to fire him.

Worthy of a poll: who is more stubborn, JOB or Bird?

;)

Anthem
02-09-2010, 03:23 PM
I think Mike Wells asked JOB what was wrong with the team and he came with the same excuse.
I wondered the exact same thing.

McKeyFan
02-09-2010, 03:25 PM
Here's a theory regarding Rush's performance the past two years:

1. Rush gets new team and new coach. Strange, this coach doesn't emphasize defense and possessions like the former coach (NCAA champion coach).

2. After half a season, Rush starts to figure out the new coach's style. He begins to perform very well the second half of the season.

3. The new coach tells Larry Bird that he needs defenders in order to have a defensive emphasis, after being constantly criticized for a sieve of a defense all year long.

4. New players arrive for the second season. In the first ten games (okay, injuries forced this, we all know) the team wins a bunch of games in a row with a defensive emphasis and a style more like the winning style at Kansas. Rush re-adapts to this system, which he is a natural for.

5. No, actually the Pacers won't play that style. But it takes Rush another two or three months to cipher through JOB's mixed messages.

6. Rush starts playing good ball again with good shooting percentages.

7. JOB spouts nonsense and adds more messages to the contradictory mix.

Unclebuck
02-09-2010, 03:28 PM
I don't think there is any mystery to Rush's performance - you guys are making way too complicated. Rush has a timid personality and that carries over to the court. That is his problem.

Hicks
02-09-2010, 05:26 PM
Your inks are pretty challenged, too.

:zip:

My iPhone has failed me.

CableKC
02-09-2010, 05:32 PM
As I've said in other threads, this team has a lot of key pieces that look much like the 90's version:

Reggie = Danny
Rik = Roy
McKey = Rush

What they need is Mark Jackson and the Davis boys. I don't think Tyler fits the bill (nor Josh ;) ). Price is maybe an upgrade on Best, but I don't think he's Jax.

You don't get Jax till you clear salary, but you could draft one of the Davis boys this year. Unfortunately I think a Jax is more critical.

Oh, and you need a Larry Brown/Rick Carlisle coaching too. ;)
As long as Bird is guiding this rudderless ship....I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this is not a coincidence but by design. By the start of the 2011-2012 season.....we will have 2 draft picks and enough $$$ to spend on one or more FA that will get us there.

I'm half joking here.....but I really find the coincidence interesting.

BlueNGold
02-09-2010, 06:38 PM
I'm mystified that the focus is not Rush's 8 straight double figure games prior to his off night.

I'm mystified there wasn't an article every 10 days about Stephen Jackson's inconsistent shot.

I'm mystified that some people expect Rush to play like a top 10 pick when he was probably picked too high at 13.

The fact is, Rush is getting better. He is getting more consistent. Even Reggie Miller had an off night folks...and he didn't play nearly as good D.

ksuttonjr76
02-09-2010, 08:18 PM
I'm mystified that the focus is not Rush's 8 straight double figure games prior to his off night.

I'm mystified there wasn't an article every 10 days about Stephen Jackson's inconsistent shot.

I'm mystified that some people expect Rush to play like a top 10 pick when he was probably picked too high at 13.

The fact is, Rush is getting better. He is getting more consistent. Even Reggie Miller had an off night folks...and he didn't play nearly as good D.

I agree. Rush has been one of our more consistent players. Go figure.