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Will Galen
01-15-2010, 05:56 PM
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Could Miller fit in Indy?

Andre Miller | Trail Blazers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=por)


http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/557.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=557)Let's connect a few dots here, shall we?
Jeff Foster (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=250) of the Pacers is a hot commodity for Western Conference teams looking for a guy that can defend the likes of Pau Gasol (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=996) come the playoffs. Portland, a team that is likely without the services of Greg Oden (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3225) and Joel Przybilla (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=682) for the rest of the season, might look to bring in a stopgap option for the second half of the season on their frontline. Foster does have one year left on his deal after this, so if the Blazers just want a half-season rental, Foster isn't quite ideal.
Andre Miller (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=557) is rumored to be on the trading block, because he's recently feuded with Nate McMillan (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2679) at practice, and hasn't quite fit in with the team this year on the court.
So might the Blazers and Pacers make a straight-up swap? Both are making $6 million this season and as ESPN's John Hollinger points out today, the pace the Blazers play at -- dead last in the league -- doesn't suit Miller.
The Pacers, who have the second fastest pace in the league behind Golden State, could be a home for Miller's style.
Perhaps not an ideal fit either way, especially because the Blazers seem content to stand pat with their current lineup unless something real good comes along, but it could potentially work.

http://a.espncdn.com/i/columnists/hollinger_john_30.jpg John Hollinger

Blazers are playing at a slower pace than Miller wants (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-100115)
"The Miller-Brandon Roy (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3027) marriage is an imperfect one, as they've seemed to fight to see whose pace the game will be played at. Miller has lost that battle emphatically, as the Blazers are dead last in pace factor, and his numbers have suffered for it. He's shooting only 42.6 percent from the floor and since he's spotting up from the perimeter more often, he's on pace to shatter his career high in 3-point attempts -- not a good thing considering he's a 21.0 percent career marksman."
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My answer is NO!

1. We are already paying 5 point guards if you count Tinsley, Miller would make 6.

2. We already have 4 point guards, Miller would make 5.

3. Miller's contract is a year longer than Jeff's effecting our rebuilding plan.

4. We have already been short of big men a couple games this year, so it wouldn't be a smart move in that respect. Yes I know we like to go small, but you need to be able to go big.

5. Miller would add about $700,000 to our payroll in each of the next two years. And right now next years would be doubled since we are over the projected lux tax.

Phildog
01-15-2010, 06:01 PM
Wouldn't happen unless they were taking on TJ Ford and giving us young prospects/draft picks in return.

vnzla81
01-15-2010, 06:04 PM
it won't happen, he can't shoot the three.

Bball
01-15-2010, 06:07 PM
I want to make a point.. or ask why it's different in this case. Some have argued you have to play Murphy to showcase him. That's why he gets big minutes it is said.

Meanwhile, Jeff Foster has played about 30 secs this season and yet he's viewed as a hot commodity?

How can both things be true?

90'sNBARocked
01-15-2010, 06:14 PM
If it was a bigger package like (and I dont know the numnbers)

Miller/Webster

for

Ford/Foster

but a straight up Miller for Foster I wouldnt do, as it seems Andre Miller has regressed, and add to the fact he iss 33 years old

thelostpacer
01-15-2010, 06:16 PM
wont happen no three shot and he old pass

PacerDude
01-15-2010, 06:19 PM
Could Andre Miller fit in Indy?
No.

Erik
01-15-2010, 06:25 PM
I want to make a point.. or ask why it's different in this case. Some have argued you have to play Murphy to showcase him. That's why he gets big minutes it is said.

Meanwhile, Jeff Foster has played about 30 secs this season and yet he's viewed as a hot commodity?

How can both things be true?Someone else here made this same point recently. I don't buy into the "Showcasing" idea, personally. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, just not near as much as implied. It may be a good idea when trying to trade a young player, but TPTB of the league already know what these players are about.

CableKC
01-15-2010, 07:01 PM
I know that I'm in the minority here....but I'd certainly consider trading Foster+Diener for DreMiller+filler......but this ( of course ) assumes MANY THINGS. I'd do a Foster for DreMiller swap IF ALL of the following occurs:

1 ) If we move Murphy to the Cavs for Big Zs contract
2 ) Ford is somehow traded or bought out ( yeah, I know that's highly unlikely )
3 ) TPTB decide not to "tank" and continue make a Playoff Push for the next 2 seasons

Despite his age....DreMiller is still a highly efficient pass-first PG that can run the point the way that it should be run, score and hit the mid-range jumper when needed. Of course, he can't ( nor should he be trying to ) hit the 3pt shot....which is a huge negative for JO'B. As to what to do with a 3 headed PG rotation...I have no clue...but as far as I am concerned....this is a happy problem for 4 more months.

Keep in mind.....this assumes a lot....especially what to do with Ford ( which I doubt would happen )....so I'm not holding my breath.

esabyrn333
01-15-2010, 07:16 PM
Move Murhphy and I would do this. Koponen could be a steal in this trade



Change in Team Outlook: +6.1 ppg, -2.2 rpg, and +2.7 apg.

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pwee31
01-15-2010, 07:20 PM
I liked Koponen heading into the draft, I also liked what I saw in his summer league play that year.

I don't like Dre Miller's age, but I think he would be decent value for Foster, and showed in Philly he can excel in a fast paced lineup. Not sure about his attitude though....

Wish we could somehow get Rudy Fernandez, who's stuck behind Roy and always will be.

Sparhawk
01-15-2010, 07:24 PM
Good lord no.

TJ would have to be moved first anyhow. I'm fine with Watson and Price for right now. No need for over paid PGs

wintermute
01-15-2010, 08:12 PM
My answer is NO!

1. We are already paying 5 point guards if you count Tinsley, Miller would make 6.

2. We already have 4 point guards, Miller would make 5.

3. Miller's contract is a year longer than Jeff's effecting our rebuilding plan.

4. We have already been short of big men a couple games this year, so it wouldn't be a smart move in that respect. Yes I know we like to go small, but you need to be able to go big.

5. Miller would add about $700,000 to our payroll in each of the next two years. And right now next years would be doubled since we are over the projected lux tax.



of the point guards on the roster now, only aj price will be playing here next year. tj would be here, but he will be known as "tj ford's expiring contract". i won't count tinsley.

miller's last year is a team option. so he's essentially a 2011 expiring like our other contracts. he's slightly more expensive than foster, true, but as cablekc says, if we move murphy to the cavs for expirings then that wouldn't be an issue.

if we move both foster and murphy, and assuming we buy out z, we'd be left with a big man rotation of hibbert-hans-mcbob-solo with granger occasionally playing 4. that's still serviceable in my opinion.

edit: and btw, i'm a fan of andre miller. if anything would get us to the playoffs this year, it would be a move like this.

Spirit
01-15-2010, 10:05 PM
No thanks.

IUfan4life
01-15-2010, 10:16 PM
I want to make a point.. or ask why it's different in this case. Some have argued you have to play Murphy to showcase him. That's why he gets big minutes it is said.

Meanwhile, Jeff Foster has played about 30 secs this season and yet he's viewed as a hot commodity?

How can both things be true?

Jeff Foster isn't playing because he isn't healthy. When he is healthy he will be getting plenty of minutes

MyFavMartin
01-15-2010, 10:25 PM
Last year on Andre's contract is a team option.

Also, he doesn't shoot the long ball well.

Bball
01-15-2010, 11:26 PM
Jeff Foster isn't playing because he isn't healthy. When he is healthy he will be getting plenty of minutes

That's not the point though.... The point is how can the argument be that a player like Murphy is getting big minutes because you have to do that to showcase him when a player like Foster (who's on the bench injured) is getting lots of attention and has barely played this season.

BTW... Is Foster still injured or is he actually on the shelf to preserve him for a trade?

jeffg-body
01-16-2010, 01:54 AM
If we could swing a deal to pick up Dre and send TJ I would be all for it unless they want Hibbert or Granger in the deal. Anyone else could be fair game if they offer us the right pieces.

IndyProdigy
01-16-2010, 02:40 AM
of the point guards on the roster now, only aj price will be playing here next year. tj would be here, but he will be known as "tj ford's expiring contract". i won't count tinsley.

miller's last year is a team option. so he's essentially a 2011 expiring like our other contracts. he's slightly more expensive than foster, true, but as cablekc says, if we move murphy to the cavs for expirings then that wouldn't be an issue.

if we move both foster and murphy, and assuming we buy out z, we'd be left with a big man rotation of hibbert-hans-mcbob-solo with granger occasionally playing 4. that's still serviceable in my opinion.

edit: and btw, i'm a fan of andre miller. if anything would get us to the playoffs this year, it would be a move like this.

honestly, id rather us not get him, give time for our young guys to progress like aj, and let earl be the veteran to groom them. miller didnt work in philly, he didnt work in portland and he wont work here. besides, if he WOULD be the piece that puts us in the playoffs, i dont want him for that exact reason alone. i want a lottery pick (we need a lottery pick). and unless we make a blockbuster trade that puts us in contention for a title, id rather rely on building our young guys up and giving them all the minutes they can handle instead of feeling obligated to give minutes to andre miller who will AT BEST get us an 7-8 seed in the playoffs and get crushed in the first round.

cinotimz
01-16-2010, 03:35 AM
The only way I would trade for Miller is if they took TJ straight up. Otherwise he doesnt fit in with what we are doing in any way shape or form. We have a youth movement. Hes like a 52 year old pg(who I have incidentally loved since his college days) that would only tempt coaches to play instead of develop the younger players. We wouldnt keep him past next year so why bother. Only reason I can think of is if you can unload TJ, because Andre would be easier to trade right now than TJ.

wintermute
01-16-2010, 08:28 AM
honestly, id rather us not get him, give time for our young guys to progress like aj, and let earl be the veteran to groom them. miller didnt work in philly, he didnt work in portland and he wont work here. besides, if he WOULD be the piece that puts us in the playoffs, i dont want him for that exact reason alone. i want a lottery pick (we need a lottery pick). and unless we make a blockbuster trade that puts us in contention for a title, id rather rely on building our young guys up and giving them all the minutes they can handle instead of feeling obligated to give minutes to andre miller who will AT BEST get us an 7-8 seed in the playoffs and get crushed in the first round.

that's a valid viewpoint, i guess. there are other threads debating high draft pick vs playoffs, so i won't get into that here.

as to miller's stint in philly, i think he did fairly well. it's pretty clear now that the sixers overachieved in reaching the playoffs the past 2 seasons, and i think andre miller was a significant factor in that.


The only way I would trade for Miller is if they took TJ straight up. Otherwise he doesnt fit in with what we are doing in any way shape or form. We have a youth movement. Hes like a 52 year old pg(who I have incidentally loved since his college days) that would only tempt coaches to play instead of develop the younger players. We wouldnt keep him past next year so why bother. Only reason I can think of is if you can unload TJ, because Andre would be easier to trade right now than TJ.

well, if you're trading foster for miller, that hardly hinders the youth movement. obtaining miller might cut into aj's minutes; on the other hand, opening up front court minutes would be beneficial for hibbert, hans, and mcbob.

it would be tempting for the coach i guess to use a veteran miller-watson rotation at pg, but hopefully aj would keep the backup spot with watson either being the third pg or getting traded. as to tj, well it would be nice to see him moved, but that's probably not going to happen until next season.

thefeistyone
01-16-2010, 10:06 AM
I've coveted Miller since his days in Utah. However, to get him now would be a waste of time. He's had a pretty good career but i would say his best days are behind him. When we make moves right now they should be for the future. Miller wouldn't fit that.

Let the blazers keep him and that contract the heck away from us.

Shade
01-16-2010, 11:31 AM
I've been wanting Dre in Indy for years, but I don't know if he would mesh with the current team. Not to mention, I'm not a big fan of his contract.

odeez
01-16-2010, 11:41 AM
No, though Miller is a great PG and would fit into our system. I would rather us continue to play Price and really see what he can do! I want us to move Murph or Ford before Foster.

idioteque
01-16-2010, 11:44 AM
I am not that familiar with his contract, but I'd love to have Andre in Indy, have wanted him here for years and years just like Shade.

Gamble1
01-16-2010, 12:02 PM
The odds are against it but I would be totally for it. I don't understand why Price needs to play so many minutes. Don't get me wrong I like his game but wouldn't it be smart to limit him so we can resign him on the cheap rather than pay him twice as much next year. He does only have a one year contract, correct?

As for Millers inablity to hit the 3 I would say his ability to be a floor general is much more valuable than his "stretching" the floor. The offense would flow smoothly which is critical for Dun, Danny and Rush.

count55
01-16-2010, 12:19 PM
The odds are against it but I would be totally for it. I don't understand why Price needs to play so many minutes. Don't get me wrong I like his game but wouldn't it be smart to limit him so we can resign him on the cheap rather than pay him twice as much next year. He does only have a one year contract, correct?

As for Millers inablity to hit the 3 I would say his ability to be a floor general is much more valuable than his "stetching" the floor. The offense would flow smoothly which is critical for Dun, Danny and Rush.

AJ Price is signed for two more years after this. The money is unguaranteed, but he belongs to the Pacers.

Kenny Anderson only took 33 3's (making 9) as the starting point guard on Obie's ECF team in Boston.

bulldog
01-16-2010, 12:27 PM
I like the version of the trade where we get Petri Koponen. Dre's not a long-term solution, but in the Leastern conference you're only a free agent signing away from making noise, and a Pacers ream with a rejuvenated Andre Miller would be one move away from being a second round playoff team in the east next year. Plus we'd have two long-term solutions at point in Price and Koponen.

Not to mention, if the last year of his deal really is a team option, there's no difference in contracts. We still have cap space for the free agent year after this one.

I vote pull the trigger.

diamonddave00
01-16-2010, 12:56 PM
I'd send them Jeff Foster and Earl Watson for Andre Miller and filler. With all the point guards we currently have under contract re-signing Watson is very unlikely anyway. Making Miller the starting point guard for this and next year still allows the Pacers to incorperate Price into the rotation behind a solid vet.

Miller is an upgrade of Watson , as things stand Jeff Foster has been a non-factor this entire season so moving him has no effect on the court at all. With Hansbrough and Hibbert getting more time Jeff in truth has no spot in the rotation and as such is being paid 6mil this season and if here next season to watch the NBA from the bench.

I'd rather the 6 mil go to Miller as a playing mentor to Price than to Foster as voice from the bench to Tyler and Roy, if thats Jeff's role make him a coach.

Anthem
01-16-2010, 01:36 PM
I don't understand the folks complaining about his contract. His contract is no worse than whoever we'd be sending to get him... it's a lateral move from that perspective.

IUfan4life
01-16-2010, 01:54 PM
That's not the point though.... The point is how can the argument be that a player like Murphy is getting big minutes because you have to do that to showcase him when a player like Foster (who's on the bench injured) is getting lots of attention and has barely played this season.

BTW... Is Foster still injured or is he actually on the shelf to preserve him for a trade?

he is a hot commodity because the entire league knows what a good defensive player he is, and how he can guard both 4's and 5's

Bball
01-16-2010, 02:10 PM
he is a hot commodity because the entire league knows what a good defensive player he is, and how he can guard both 4's and 5's


That's still not the point. I'm saying this situation (using Foster and Murphy as examples) shows that you do not have to give a veteran player big minutes (more than you should even) for showcasing purposes. The league already knows who they are and what they can do.

It doesn't even look like Foster needs to get some minutes to show he's healthy again to get trading partners interested.

People have been saying that O'Brien/Bird must be playing Murphy big minutes to showcase him... I think he's being played big minutes because that is what the coach wants to do.

CableKC
01-16-2010, 03:29 PM
I'd send them Jeff Foster and Earl Watson for Andre Miller and filler. With all the point guards we currently have under contract re-signing Watson is very unlikely anyway. Making Miller the starting point guard for this and next year still allows the Pacers to incorperate Price into the rotation behind a solid vet.

Miller is an upgrade of Watson , as things stand Jeff Foster has been a non-factor this entire season so moving him has no effect on the court at all. With Hansbrough and Hibbert getting more time Jeff in truth has no spot in the rotation and as such is being paid 6mil this season and if here next season to watch the NBA from the bench.

I'd rather the 6 mil go to Miller as a playing mentor to Price than to Foster as voice from the bench to Tyler and Roy, if thats Jeff's role make him a coach.
A Foster+Diener ( or Watson ) for DreMiller+Dante Cunningham would work and ( assuming that Murphy is traded for BigZs Expiring Contract ) would not affect our 2010-2011 SalaryCap since we essentially send out the same amount that we take in.

Also...to be clear.....DreMiller is currently 33 years old and will be 34 years old at the end of his contract in the 2010-2011 season ( his contract in the 2011-2012 season is not guaranteed )....which is pretty much the same as Foster's contract.

NOTE - count55, how does an unguaranteed contract work for the last year? Does it have to be picked up by a certain time in the previous season or is it picked up in the offseason?

However, given the depth at the PF/C rotation....I don't mind having Foster mentor Hibbert and Hansbrough just like the way that DreMiller would mentor AJ.

Anthem
01-16-2010, 03:38 PM
TJ / Foster / Diener

works for

Andre / Outlaw / Przybilla.

:signit:

Just sayin'.

Thunder/Pacers Fan
01-17-2010, 12:01 AM
3. Miller's contract is a year longer than Jeff's effecting our rebuilding plan.

I don't know if this was mentioned, but Miller's 2010/11 year is a team option. In my opinion, I would stick with A.J. Price. That kid tore my Thunder up!

BKK
01-17-2010, 03:42 PM
TJ / Foster / Diener

works for

Andre / Outlaw / Przybilla.

:signit:

Just sayin'.

as I was reading the thread I was thinking the same thing basically a TJ+Foster for Dre+Prizbo

I don't know the numbers but it would be balanced in terms of contract length, IIRC Prizbo expires at the end of the season. Is he done for the season? Anyway if they want him back they can give us some cash to buy him out. Getting Outlaw would be the icing on the cake I've always likes his game a lot that would give us a long athletic 3-4 from the bench