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count55
01-14-2010, 01:15 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=TradeWatch-0910

He ranked players from Most likely to least likely...the ones pertinent to the Pacers:



2. Troy Murphy, F, Pacers
The Pacers look as though they're moving toward a youth movement as they continue to build around Danny Granger. With a number of contending teams interested in Murphy, the Pacers seem to be in the right place to make a deal. While Murphy may be overpaid, there are few bigs in the league that can rebound and spread the floor the way he can. With just one more year left on his contract, Murphy could be the missing piece for a team trying to compete for a title.

The Cavs seem to have the most interest, though several other teams have also told me they'll make a run at him. At the very least, the Pacers should be able to deal Murphy for expiring contracts and one asset (either a draft pick or a young prospect).

6. Jeff Foster, C, Pacers
The Pacers appear to be committed to developing Roy Hibbert and Tyler Hansbrough, leaving little room for Foster -- a mobile, high-energy big man who can defend 4s and 5s.

If you are a Western Conference team trying to stop Pau Gasol, Foster would be a great get. The Nuggets have shown considerable interest in Foster, but they aren't alone. The Blazers, Jazz, Spurs and Suns would all like to get him, too.

No mention of Ford.

FYI, here's a list of expiring contracts (partial, I assume)



Expiring contracts

Ilgauskas
Ilgauskas

1. Zydrunas Ilgauskas, C, Cavs
Cleveland may be the most motivated team in the league to do a deal. Another playoff failure could devastate the Cavs' chances of keeping LeBron this summer. Ilgauskas is their biggest chip. He can wipe nearly $12 million from someone else's books. Also, the team that trades for him would most likely waive him, allowing Big Z to rejoin the Cavs.

2. Tracy McGrady, G, Rockets
McGrady may no longer be a superstar, but his contract is. A team trading for T-Mac can wipe $22 million off its books next year.

The key for the Rockets is to get back players worth paying and worth giving up this year's potential cap space for. For the most part, talks have been slow. Teams like expiring contracts but tend to shy away from giving All-Stars or top young prospects in return. Too bad Chris Wallace doesn't need to cut payroll this season.

3. Kenny Thomas, PF, Kings
The Kings are suddenly better than anyone expected. However, they would still love to cut long-term payroll. They've been using Thomas' $8.8 million expiring contract as bait. In other words, you can have it if you take Andres Nocioni, too.

Dampier
Dampier

4. Erick Dampier, C, Mavs
Dampier is another intriguing trade chip. He's having a good season, and the Mavs are right in the Western Conference hunt. So, Dallas could surely use him. However, the fact that his contract isn't guaranteed next season makes him a tremendous asset and gives Dallas one last shot at adding a younger veteran who could put it over the top.

5. Brendan Haywood, C, Wizards
6. Mike Miller, F, Wizards
7. Mike James, G, Wizards
With the Wizards in rebuilding mode, you can be sure that all three contracts are coveted. Together they're worth about $20 million of cap relief. They may have to give away Jamison and Butler, but with these expiring contracts, they could end up with some decent young players or future first-round picks in return.

8. Travis Outlaw, F, Blazers
9. Steve Blake, G, Blazers
Together these two players can get roughly $8 million off a team's books. If Kevin Pritchard decides to make a big move, both players could be key assets to making a deal happen.

10. Kwame Brown, C, Pistons
Brown has been a bust in Detroit, just as he was in Washington and L.A. The Pistons will try to package his expiring $4 million contract with either Tayshaun Prince or Rip Hamilton to continue to remake their roster.

Naptown_Seth
01-14-2010, 01:23 PM
Conspiracy - I'm not the only one to even note it, but you can wonder if Troy is playing better because he's happier now that he senses he has a future elsewhere, possibly with a much better team.

I don't think it's nuts, nor do I think it's "just gotta be true". Just interesting timing. He even played really nice defense in the 2nd half last night, some of the best I've seen him play.

He might also be thinking that if he wants out (why wouldn't he) that the better he plays the easier the trade becomes.

Pacersfan46
01-14-2010, 01:37 PM
I hope we trade both netting us a couple of extra 1sts (even if they're late), or a couple of decent young players immediately. Only difference is I don't give a damn where Murphy goes, but I hope we trade Foster to a team that wins an NBA title.

-- Steve --

CableKC
01-14-2010, 01:38 PM
Conspiracy - I'm not the only one to even note it, but you can wonder if Troy is playing better because he's happier now that he senses he has a future elsewhere, possibly with a much better team.

I don't think it's nuts, nor do I think it's "just gotta be true". Just interesting timing. He even played really nice defense in the 2nd half last night, some of the best I've seen him play.

He might also be thinking that if he wants out (why wouldn't he) that the better he plays the easier the trade becomes.
At least in the OKC and Toronto games....I think that was being showcased to show that he's recovered from whatever recent minor injury that he's had.

He does appears to be playing with a renewed sense of purpose lately....especially whenever I see him drive to the hoop. You'd have to wonder if he is trying to drive up his trade value to get off the Team.

BillS
01-14-2010, 01:44 PM
My Ghod you folks are cynical.

I suppose that's why Dun has stepped up his game, because he wants to get out of here, as opposed to playing with no energy and trying to lose so he could get out of here?

Maybe after all the switching around and trying different things there are some groups of players who are starting to gel? Maybe there's some players and a coach doing something different since the old stuff wasn't working?

Naaah, not possible. Gotta hate the coach and the organization. No other solution.

:suicide4:

vnzla81
01-14-2010, 01:45 PM
Conspiracy - I'm not the only one to even note it, but you can wonder if Troy is playing better because he's happier now that he senses he has a future elsewhere, possibly with a much better team.

I don't think it's nuts, nor do I think it's "just gotta be true". Just interesting timing. He even played really nice defense in the 2nd half last night, some of the best I've seen him play.

He might also be thinking that if he wants out (why wouldn't he) that the better he plays the easier the trade becomes.

I been saying this for a long time, did you see Murphy blocking Bosh during the toronto game?:confused: the guy is playing out of his mind, I been reading stuff and one of the rumors is that he does not get along with the coaching staff here.

Trader Joe
01-14-2010, 01:51 PM
Blake and OUtlaw for Foster?

CableKC
01-14-2010, 01:52 PM
count55, can you provide the rest of the list of whose likely to go and who isnt?

It's interesting to see what other Teams are doing and how it would affect us moving Murphy....

CableKC
01-14-2010, 01:53 PM
Naaah, not possible. Gotta hate the coach and the organization. No other solution.

:suicide4:
I'm glad that we're on the same page then :D

Mourning
01-14-2010, 01:54 PM
I hope we trade both netting us a couple of extra 1sts (even if they're late), or a couple of decent young players immediately. Only difference is I don't give a damn where Murphy goes, but I hope we trade Foster to a team that wins an NBA title.

-- Steve --

I hope we trade one, not both or better put: I hope we trade as close as to what's necessary to prevent us from going into luxurytax land this summer.

Why not more? Simple: I think these contracts, or most of them atleast, will be worth more at next years trading deadline when they are probably worth more then they are now.

We need to prevent going over the luxurytax AND Bird to get up JOB's *** to stop playing Troy as much as he has and especially not in the fourth quarter. Maybe that's already happenned last night with Troy not playing as much and mainly early in the game and just getting in when Roy fouled out.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

CableKC
01-14-2010, 01:55 PM
Blake and OUtlaw for Foster?
If no Murphy to Cleveland.....then IMHO...it would be Foster+Diener for Blake+Outlaw. We're at 15 Players...we'd have to send out as many players as we take in.

Trophy
01-14-2010, 01:56 PM
I hope we trade both netting us a couple of extra 1sts (even if they're late), or a couple of decent young players immediately. Only difference is I don't give a damn where Murphy goes, but I hope we trade Foster to a team that wins an NBA title.

-- Steve --

I hope both guys enjoy and have success where ever they go.

Not because I'm a fan of them both, but because they play(ed) for the Pacers.

CableKC
01-14-2010, 02:00 PM
I hope we trade one, not both or better put: I hope we trade as close as to what's necessary to prevent us from going into luxurytax land this summer.

Why not more? Simple: I think these contracts, or most of them atleast, will be worth more at next years trading deadline when they are probably worth more then they are now.

We need to prevent going over the luxurytax AND Bird to get up JOB's *** to stop playing Troy as much as he has and especially not in the fourth quarter. Maybe that's already happenned last night with Troy not playing as much and mainly early in the game and just getting in when Roy fouled out.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:
Totally agree.......move Foster OR Murphy for an Expiring Contract for 2010-2011 LT reasons ( preferably Murphy cuz wiping his $11.9 mil contract from the 2010-2011 salarycap would make a huge difference for the Pacers ) and ( at the same time ) "addition by subtraction" by removing JO'Bs crutch and making this Team instantly more athletic in the frontcourt.

Before any of you think that this comment is directed at Murphy ( it sort of is ) but it's more directed at JO'Bs preference to pair Murphy up with Hibbert and Dunleavy ( at times ) to give us an incredibly smart but slow/unathletic Frontcourt. Remove Murphy from the PF/C equation and whoever replaces him will be more athletic ( whether it be Granger, Hansbrough, Foster, McRoberts or Solo ) and in the process make the whole Frontcourt more athletic.

90'sNBARocked
01-14-2010, 02:05 PM
Conspiracy - I'm not the only one to even note it, but you can wonder if Troy is playing better because he's happier now that he senses he has a future elsewhere, possibly with a much better team.
I don't think it's nuts, nor do I think it's "just gotta be true". Just interesting timing. He even played really nice defense in the 2nd half last night, some of the best I've seen him play.

He might also be thinking that if he wants out (why wouldn't he) that the better he plays the easier the trade becomes.


We can only pray! :angel::angel:

esabyrn333
01-14-2010, 02:22 PM
Who is Solo? Hibbert I thought it was Hansbrouh than I thought it might be McRoberts now I'm just not to sure please help I have to know

BRushWithDeath
01-14-2010, 02:25 PM
Who is Solo? Hibbert I thought it was Hansbrouh than I thought it might be McRoberts now I'm just not to sure please help I have to know

Solomon Jones.

tadscout
01-14-2010, 05:45 PM
Who is Solo? Hibbert I thought it was Hansbrouh than I thought it might be McRoberts now I'm just not to sure please help I have to know

He's the player that wears #44 that constantly gets pushed around 4-8 ft about every other play... :-p

tadscout
01-14-2010, 05:49 PM
Blake and OUtlaw for Foster?

Could we dream for Outlaw and Fernandez for Foster and Head?

I know unlikely but hey could be our starting high point in negotiations to see how desperate they are for a big... anyway they like Blake the most out of their PGs, so I don't know if they'd want to trade him... especially if they are going to try to trade Miller somewhere.

NZPacer
01-14-2010, 05:53 PM
Rest of Chad Ford's article

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=TradeWatch-0910

1. Antawn Jamison, F, Wizards
Jamison is at the top of this list for three reasons. First, the Wizards are a mess and seem to be moving rapidly toward a fire sale. Second, Jamison is in the latter stages of his career. Neither he nor the Wizards want him stuck on a terrible team. Third, a number of contenders want him, namely the Cavs. That's the perfect recipe for a big deadline trade.

2. Troy Murphy, F, Pacers
The Pacers look as though they're moving toward a youth movement as they continue to build around Danny Granger. With a number of contending teams interested in Murphy, the Pacers seem to be in the right place to make a deal. While Murphy may be overpaid, there are few bigs in the league who can rebound and spread the floor the way he can. With just one more year left on his contract, Murphy could be the missing piece for a team trying to compete for a title.

The Cavs seem to have the most interest, though several other teams have also told me they'll make a run at him. At the very least, the Pacers should be able to deal Murphy for expiring contracts and one asset (either a draft pick or a young prospect).

3. Tayshaun Prince, F, Pistons
Joe Dumars didn't expect the Pistons to be championship contenders this season. But he also didn't anticipate the team losing 13 games in a row. The fact that the Pistons drafted three small forwards in last year's draft and that two of them -- Jonas Jerebko and Austin Daye -- look very promising is all you need to know. The word on the street is that the Pistons are in very active trade discussions on Prince.

While the team would prefer to move Richard Hamilton, I don't think it's going to be able to find a home for him given his enormous contract. If the Pistons can swap Prince for some help in the paint, they've got to do it. The combination of Charlie Villanueva, Jason Maxiell, Ben Wallace and Kwame Brown just isn't getting it done.

4. Caron Butler, G/F, Wizards
If Jamison goes, Butler probably won't be far behind. He actually has a little more desirability than Jamison because his contract is shorter (just one year remaining) and he's younger. However, it's not clear that the Wizards are willing to just give away Butler, who is a good player in his prime. The Wizards have to build around someone, don't they?

5. Andre Miller, PG, Blazers
Miller may be a wily veteran, but he's struggled to adapt to Portland's culture and, more specifically, head coach Nate McMillan. Miller's addition was never seen as a slam dunk, but more of a desperation ploy by the Blazers, who felt compelled to use their cap space this past summer after being spurned by Hedo Turkoglu.

While the team's original stance was that it wanted to hold on to Miller, his recent run-in with McMillan has cleared the way for a possible trade. If the Blazers want expiring contracts in return, they can probably move him. If they demand a young player or a future first-round draft pick, probably not.

6. Jeff Foster, C, Pacers
The Pacers appear to be committed to developing Roy Hibbert and Tyler Hansbrough, leaving little room for Foster -- a mobile, high-energy big man who can defend 4s and 5s.

If you are a Western Conference team trying to stop Pau Gasol, Foster would be a great get. The Nuggets have shown considerable interest in Foster, but they aren't alone. The Blazers, Jazz, Spurs and Suns would all like to get him, too.

7. Kirk Hinrich, G, Bulls
The Bulls need to move Hinrich for an expiring contract in order to have a realistic shot at making a pitch to both LeBron James and Chris Bosh this summer. Can you imagine a team with LeBron, Bosh, Derrick Rose, Luol Deng and Joakim Noah? John Paxson can. If Bosh isn't traded before the deadline, you have to believe the Bulls have a good chance to get both.

However, trading Hinrich won't be easy. His productivity has really fallen the past two years, and he still has two years and $17 million left on his contract. Bill Simmons swears the Celtics will be interested. But that's a lot of money for a backup point guard.

8. Tyrus Thomas, F, Bulls
Thomas has a lot of talent but has been unable to put it all together. At times, he has been more of a distraction than an asset in Chicago. The challenge in trading Thomas is twofold. One, the Bulls don't want to wreck their cap space this summer, meaning what they'll likely want in return is an expiring contract and a draft pick. Two, whoever trades for him has to decide quickly whether he's worth keeping, given that he's heading toward restricted free agency this summer.

Those two factors complicate things pretty dramatically. But given that there's interest from both the Bulls and Thomas' camp in moving on, don't be surprised if a deal happens.

9. Marcus Camby, C, Clippers
Camby may be one of the hottest commodities on the list. Not only is he still a legitimate defensive force in the paint, but he also has an expiring contract. You get a player for the rest of the season and cap relief at the end. The biggest question isn't whether the Clippers could move Camby, it's whether the Clippers will move him. And as Marc Stein wrote this week, Blake Griffin's absence complicates the Clippers' calculations.

The team is positioned to have significant cap room this summer if it keeps Camby and lets his contract expire. Whatever offer they get for him will have to match or exceed what they believe they could get on the open market next season.

10. Carlos Boozer, F/C, Jazz
Boozer is in the same camp as Camby. He's a very productive big man in the last year of his deal. However, Boozer is infinitely harder to move than Camby. Why? Because the Jazz want something significant in return and because Boozer will want a huge contract as a free agent this summer.

A team trading for him is making a huge commitment. Not only is it giving away a prized asset (probably some combination of a young player or draft pick plus cap relief), but it is also committing to being held over the coals by Boozer and his agent, Rob Pelinka, this summer. That's why it's harder than you might think to move Boozer.

11. Jose Calderon, PG, Raptors
Calderon was considered a gem just a year ago, but he struggled out of the gate this season, and the Raptors have played much better without him. Now that he's back from injury, you can expect the Raptors to shop him around. They could really use some help at the 2-guard position. DeMar DeRozan is a nice prospect, but he's not ready yet.

There have been rumblings of a Calderon-Kevin Martin swap. The move would give the Raptors a lot of offensive firepower, but it would also cement their status as one of the worst defensive teams ever.

12. Al Jefferson, PF, Timberwolves
David Kahn has been pretty adamant that he's not shopping Jefferson, saying he wants to use the entire season to evaluate his players. But a number of GMs around the league are equally adamant that Jefferson's name has been brought up in discussions. Kahn doesn't sound like a guy who's convinced Kevin Love and Jefferson can play together in the frontcourt.

Kahn knows he wouldn't get a talent like Danny Granger in return, but if he could get an athletic center or a big-time shooter for Jefferson, he might decide to make a move.

13. Devin Harris, PG, Nets
Last year we were plugging Harris as an All-Star. This year? I have sources who say the Nets are no longer sold on Harris as a core piece on the team. If they can package him with an expiring contract or two and get a young All-Star in return, they might do it. If they knew they were getting John Wall, they'd surely do it.

But even if they have to settle for something else, it sounds as though Harris' lackluster performance this season has soured folks on him. There will be a lot of interest in Harris, but I'm not sure anyone will be willing to give up an All-Star for him.

14. Chris Bosh, PF, Raptors
Much to the chagrin of Raptors fans, I've been writing that Toronto needs to trade Bosh now while it can still get value for him. The closer we get to the trade deadline, the more real that possibility sounds.

Over the weekend, reports by ESPN's Marc Stein and the New York Post fingered the Rockets and Lakers as teams with heavy interest in Bosh. While neither team has made an official offer for Bosh, I expect both will by the deadline.

I'm not sure the Rockets can put together a compelling package, but the Lakers can. If L.A. offered Andrew Bynum, Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo would have to say yes, wouldn't he? Bynum is a legit center who is still only 22 years old. And most important, he is already locked into a long-term deal. If the Lakers are willing to offer Bynum (a big if), the Raptors won't get a better offer.

15. Amare Stoudemire, PF, Suns
Amare would have been at the top of this list in August. However, the Suns are back to playing Mike D'Antoni basketball, and the team is winning and having fun again. While I wouldn't call the Suns contenders quite yet, they've been very competitive against the top teams in the West. That should effectively squelch all of the potential Stoudemire trade rumors we expected to hear.

The Suns are clearly trying to go for it all, and I doubt they'll disrupt the flow and swap Stoudemire out before giving him and Steve Nash one more chance to lead Phoenix to the Finals.

90'sNBARocked
01-14-2010, 05:56 PM
Id love to see us make a run at Tyrus Thomas

tadscout
01-14-2010, 06:00 PM
Id love to see us make a run at Tyrus Thomas

We don't have the expiring contracts that they want unless we turn Z around from a Murph trade...

Young
01-14-2010, 06:02 PM
I would love to trade Murphy but I just have my doubts.

Rumors are just that...rumors. This article is really just speculation/opinion. The Cavs are mentioned as the team with the most interest, which makes sense, but who are the other teams intersted in Murphy and what are they willing to offer?

90'sNBARocked
01-14-2010, 06:06 PM
We don't have the expiring contracts that they want unless we turn Z around from a Murph trade...

I feel ya,

Its my "wish list"

but maybe if we took heinrich as well and they took Ford and fillers

I know pipe dream :eek:

Sparhawk
01-14-2010, 06:11 PM
I hope we trade both netting us a couple of extra 1sts (even if they're late), or a couple of decent young players immediately. Only difference is I don't give a damn where Murphy goes, but I hope we trade Foster to a team that wins an NBA title.

-- Steve --

That's exactly what I'm hoping for and hope the Pacers are trying to do.

tadscout
01-14-2010, 06:22 PM
The Cavs seem to have the most interest, though several other teams have also told me they'll make a run at him. At the very least, the Pacers should be able to deal Murphy for expiring contracts and one asset (either a draft pick or a young prospect).



Any guesses who are the several other teams are?

I'd think he'd fit with the Suns (although not sure how a trade would work w/o another team, unless this- http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yl9lqhn was done (and that took some finagling)... nothing much else worked unless you use one of the suns big contracts which, well you doubt they'd do for Murph)...

Trying to think of some of the others...

judicata
01-14-2010, 06:24 PM
With Murphy on the Suns, they'd need to score 150 every night to win games.

90'sNBARocked
01-14-2010, 06:27 PM
With Murphy on the Suns, they'd need to score 150 every night to win games.

Well I currently reside in Phoenix and they already have a "Murphy"

His name is Channing Frye :)

judicata
01-14-2010, 06:31 PM
Well I currently reside in Phoenix and they already have a "Murphy"

His name is Channing Frye :)

Don't tell JOB, he'll offer Troy and himself for peanuts to get in on that action.

How do you like Phoenix?

tadscout
01-14-2010, 06:34 PM
With Murphy on the Suns, they'd need to score 150 every night to win games.

Hey you never know... with their philosophy they may like that idea, lol...

Shade
01-14-2010, 06:49 PM
I don't think we'll trade Troy until next season. If we trade him now, even for an expiring contract, that is one less chip to deal next season when trying to land a quality player. Trading him now would kind of force us into the FA market, and a town like Indy is unlikely to be too successful there.

I also don't see us trading Foster, unless the deal is too good to pass up. We obviously expressed our loyalty to him by giving him this last payday.

pwee31
01-14-2010, 07:29 PM
Why not make the Cavs deal a 3 way with the Bulls?

Indiana trade: Murphy, Watson
Indiana gets: Hinrich, Ty Thomas

Cavs trade: Z, Danny Green
Cavs get: Murphy

Bulls trade: Ty Thomas, Hinrich
Bulls get: Z, Watson, Danny Green

Pacers get a PG to start and can still bring Price off the bench, plus they ge an athletic PF to play alongside Hibbert.

Cavs get Murphy to stretch the floor

Bulls get Z's expiring to help make room for free agency, they get another expiring in Watson who is also a nice backup for Rose. Danny Green is a young wing player the Bulls may get some use out of.

Not trying to turn this into a trade thread, just saw the players on that trade list and became intrigued

rexnom
01-14-2010, 07:32 PM
It's gotten to the point where I'll be disappointed if we don't deal at least one.

Haggard
01-14-2010, 07:51 PM
Only difference is I don't give a damn where Murphy goes, but I hope we trade Foster to a team that wins an NBA title.

-- Steve --
The Pacers should be looking after themselves when it comes to trades.

CableKC
01-14-2010, 08:06 PM
The Pacers should be looking after themselves when it comes to trades.
I agree on this. But the reality is that any Team that would likely be interested in Foster or Murphy would be one that is Playoff Bound.

tadscout
01-14-2010, 08:17 PM
I agree on this. But the reality is that any Team that would likely be interested in Foster or Murphy would be one that is Playoff Bound.

Thus you're normally able to hold those teams for a little more if they think what you have is the final piece they need... Therefore we are in the drivers set, not them! ;)

Zelmo Beatty
01-14-2010, 08:45 PM
Assuming NJ is really interested in moving Harris, it'd sure be
nice to think the Pacers have the assets to acquire him without
including either DG or Hibbs in a deal.

But unfortunately, they don't.

Naptown_Seth
01-14-2010, 08:55 PM
My Ghod you folks are cynical.

I suppose that's why Dun has stepped up his game, because he wants to get out of here, as opposed to playing with no energy and trying to lose so he could get out of here?

Maybe after all the switching around and trying different things there are some groups of players who are starting to gel? Maybe there's some players and a coach doing something different since the old stuff wasn't working?

Naaah, not possible. Gotta hate the coach and the organization. No other solution.

:suicide4:
WTF kind of reaction is that? I didn't hate Troy in that post, I sympathized with him AND acknowledge his nice defense the other night.

Get more touchy why don't you.

You don't think a person hearing that they might be moving to a better life situation, partially based on how they perform some actions, wouldn't improve on those actions or at least have their spirits lifted and a sense of renewed energy?


I never ever said Dun was playing bad to get off the team. I said Dun was still hurting, that something was wrong and that I was worried. Worried because I didn't want it to be true, not because I hate him.

The other theory we'd kicked around as less likely but curious was that Dun was not that inspired by JOB's system and the general situation. We've also discussed that possibility while Danny bombed the 3 at a record attempt rate.


Maybe the choice is this: play bad and get the coach fired, play good and get traded. If you sense no trade opportunity then you go into "riding it out" mode and are depressed, if you hear quality buzz or get back door phone calls you ramp it up because you are finally getting out of the s***.

Naptown_Seth
01-14-2010, 09:01 PM
Shade, I don't think the Pacers want to take on that much salary next year, the kind you'd get if Troy was just part of a package you put together for a player. At Troy's talent level along with most of the other pieces, teams aren't going to give up that expensive a player if he's actually worth the salary.

What really good $15m player is going to be available simply for expiring contracts with little to no serious talent coming in return? You'd have to throw in tasty draft picks or guys like Hibbert or Granger to get teams interested.



Troy for Z sounds like a home run to me. Big time financial help and the team has McBob waiting for PT and just drafted Tyler. Not to mention that they'll be right in line to take Patterson (IMO) or perhaps Favors in this draft.


Seriously, you swap Reggie and McKey at SG/SF and call them Granger and Rush, then look at how AJ plays PG and how Roy scores vs rebounding/defense much like Smits did, and then have Patterson as the strong, physical PF ala Dale.

It's not that far away from looking like the 96 team (coach being the big difference at that point) and I don't think it's all that speculative to see the pending similarities. And you can do it without bringing back $10m in more years of contract for Troy in a trade. Just a little maturing and a style that matches the half court ability that team would have.

focused444
01-14-2010, 09:30 PM
You don't think a person hearing that they might be moving to a better life situation, partially based on how they perform some actions, wouldn't improve on those actions or at least have their spirits lifted and a sense of renewed energy?

I agree...

I wanted to add the quote from the article that said Murphy and Jamison were both receptive to a move to Cleveland, but I couldn't find it. It's in one of those Troy to Cleveland threads, maybe someone else can find it. I think Murph knows exactly whats going on and the thought of going to a new situation, especially Cleveland, has to effect him psychologically in some manner. It just so happened in Troy's case it is positive.

Now how he would perform in big time, high pressure games if he goes will be interesting.

CableKC
01-14-2010, 09:46 PM
What really good $15m player is going to be available simply for expiring contracts with little to no serious talent coming in return? You'd have to throw in tasty draft picks or guys like Hibbert or Granger to get teams interested.


And you can do it without bringing back $10m in more years of contract for Troy in a trade. Just a little maturing and a style that matches the half court ability that team would have.

Why no one pays attention to these 2 parts is baffling to me. No Team is going to take on Murphy without sending something back with a comprable contract. If a team with Capspace is willing to take Murphy while sending back the necessary Trade Exception that we'd need.....it's going to likely require us to send back some sweetner ( something that we cannot part with now ). On top of that...there are few ( if any ) Players that I'd consider adding to our future core that has a contract that is comprable and not overpaid.

In any other season, expiring Contracts have some value.....next season during the Lebron/Wade/Bosh FA Sweepstakes....not adding 2010-2011 Capspace is the preference for many Teams....while taking on 2010-2011 isn't.

vnzla81
01-14-2010, 09:49 PM
I agree...

I wanted to add the quote from the article that said Murphy and Jamison were both receptive to a move to Cleveland, but I couldn't find it. It's in one of those Troy to Cleveland threads, maybe someone else can find it. I think Murph knows exactly whats going on and the thought of going to a new situation, especially Cleveland, has to effect him psychologically in some manner. It just so happened in Troy's case it is positive.

Now how he would perform in big time, high pressure games if he goes will be interesting.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ah.Vvpii2J.qAXJoEBDHL7q8vLYF?slug=aw-jeffersongranger011010&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


Sources close to Jamison and Murphy say both players would welcome a trade to the contending Cavs.

Will Galen
01-14-2010, 09:53 PM
WTF kind of reaction is that? I didn't hate Troy in that post, I sympathized with him AND acknowledge his nice defense the other night.

Get more touchy why don't you.

You don't think a person hearing that they might be moving to a better life situation, partially based on how they perform some actions, wouldn't improve on those actions or at least have their spirits lifted and a sense of renewed energy?

I believe he was comitting on this statement of yours: "He might also be thinking that if he wants out (why wouldn't he) that the better he plays the easier the trade becomes"

You could be right about Troy, I kind of lean that way myself since he knows he's not part of the core the Pacers want to keep, however as for the "why wouldn't he want out, " theres many reasons why he wouldn't want to be traded. He and his family like Indy, he likes his teammates, he doesn't want to move, etc.

Jeff Foster is another player others are saying similar things about, but Jeff has said he wants to retire here.

tadscout
01-14-2010, 10:00 PM
In any other season, expiring Contracts have some value.....next season during the Lebron/Wade/Bosh FA Sweepstakes....not adding 2010-2011 Capspace is the preference for many Teams....while taking on 2010-2011 isn't.

Ummm those sweepstakes happen this off season...

So technically we don't have really any contracts to help people with those sweepstakes... it's the next off season after this one our contracts that will be expiring will help us or others with the FA market...

Justin Tyme
01-14-2010, 10:31 PM
Why not make the Cavs deal a 3 way with the Bulls?

Indiana trade: Murphy, Watson
Indiana gets: Hinrich, Ty Thomas

Cavs trade: Z, Danny Green
Cavs get: Murphy

Bulls trade: Ty Thomas, Hinrich
Bulls get: Z, Watson, Danny Green

Pacers get a PG to start and can still bring Price off the bench, plus they ge an athletic PF to play alongside Hibbert.

Cavs get Murphy to stretch the floor

Bulls get Z's expiring to help make room for free agency, they get another expiring in Watson who is also a nice backup for Rose. Danny Green is a young wing player the Bulls may get some use out of.

Not trying to turn this into a trade thread, just saw the players on that trade list and became intrigued


I don't see the Bulls doing the trade. They got nothing from allowing Ben Gordon go, and they are getting nothing for Hinrich or Thomas. That's losing 3 players for salary only.

tadscout
01-14-2010, 10:43 PM
I don't see the Bulls doing the trade. They got nothing from allowing Ben Gordon go, and they are getting nothing for Hinrich or Thomas. That's losing 3 players for salary only.

They would get cap room to go after a big time free agent like Bosh... which is what supposedly their goal is this trade deadline...

Anthem
01-14-2010, 10:44 PM
Sources close to Jamison and Murphy say both players would welcome a trade to the contending Cavs.
So maybe he is trying to audition for the role...

Shade, we MUST trade one of our big contracts for an expiring or we'll be in luxury tax hell next year. If we trade TMurda for cap space, we'll have freedom to use our exceptions this coming offseason. Pick up a good player on the cheap and it's as if we'd gotten them in return for Murphy.

CableKC
01-15-2010, 01:12 AM
Ummm those sweepstakes happen this off season...

So technically we don't have really any contracts to help people with those sweepstakes... it's the next off season after this one our contracts that will be expiring will help us or others with the FA market...
Okay....so let's step through the logic here...if we eliminate those Teams that are interested in the 2010-2011 FA Sweepstakes and would not be interested in adding any of the Big 4 to their SalaryCap ( specifically the only Teams that are under the Salarycap and therefore the only ones that can send us a Trade Exception ), that leaves us Teams that are very close to or over the Salary Cap. That means that if we trade any of the Big 4 contracts, we'd can only take back no less then 25% of what we send out.

Assuming that we do not make any moves at all....specifically "waiting and seeing" what our Expiring Contracts could get us and therefore having all of the Big 4 Contracts on the 2010-2011 SalaryCap...how do you propose that the Pacers get under the 2010-2011 Luxury Tax ( which we are likely between $6-7 mil over the expected Luxury Tax Threshold ) next season?

tadscout
01-15-2010, 01:43 AM
Okay....so let's step through the logic here...if we eliminate those Teams that are interested in the 2010-2011 FA Sweepstakes and would not be interested in adding any of the Big 4 to their SalaryCap ( specifically the only Teams that are under the Salarycap and therefore the only ones that can send us a Trade Exception ), that leaves us Teams that are very close to or over the Salary Cap. That means that if we trade any of the Big 4 contracts, we'd can only take back no less then 25% of what we send out.

Assuming that we do not make any moves at all....specifically "waiting and seeing" what our Expiring Contracts could get us and therefore having all of the Big 4 Contracts on the 2010-2011 SalaryCap...how do you propose that the Pacers get under the 2010-2011 Luxury Tax ( which we are likely between $6-7 mil over the expected Luxury Tax Threshold ) next season?

Umm your comment made it sound like you thought the Bosh/Wade/Lebron/etc wasn't this coming off season, but the next one after....

All I was pointing out was that it was this up coming one (ie this summer)...

Never once said we shouldn't trade anyone or anything like that... just that teams like Chicago, Miami, New York, New Jersey, among others will highly be unlikely to want to add to their own payroll with our contracts if they want to be in the race for the superstar sweepstakes this summer...

Last I count there are 29 other teams than us, and I only listed 4 (of course there are probably a couple others) of those will be holding out racing for the free agent stars this summer... so there are plenty of other teams out there that are able to trade... and you only need two to tango in the trade world.

So please everyone we have what, a month left, in which most the deals don't happen till the last week... Take a deep breath, and cross you fingers even if you wish, just relax...

CableKC
01-15-2010, 12:35 PM
Umm your comment made it sound like you thought the Bosh/Wade/Lebron/etc wasn't this coming off season, but the next one after....

All I was pointing out was that it was this up coming one (ie this summer)...

Never once said we shouldn't trade anyone or anything like that... just that teams like Chicago, Miami, New York, New Jersey, among others will highly be unlikely to want to add to their own payroll with our contracts if they want to be in the race for the superstar sweepstakes this summer...

Last I count there are 29 other teams than us, and I only listed 4 (of course there are probably a couple others) of those will be holding out racing for the free agent stars this summer... so there are plenty of other teams out there that are able to trade... and you only need two to tango in the trade world.

So please everyone we have what, a month left, in which most the deals don't happen till the last week... Take a deep breath, and cross you fingers even if you wish, just relax...
Sorry, I apologize for misreading your post. I guess my question shouldn't have been directed at you....but more at those that advocate waiting until the 2010-2011 Trade Deadline ( Feb 2011....as in 1 year from now ) as opposed to the 2009-2010 Trade Deadline ( Feb 2010...as in 1 month from now ).

How does one that advocate waiting until the 2010-2011 Trade Deadline get around the likely fact that the Owners will want to avoid paying the LT at the end of the 2010-2011 season?

Although it would be nice to get something out of our Expiring Contracts in 2010-2011 ( the Big 4 Contracts ) AND avoiding paying the LT, I think that it will be exceedingly difficult to achieve BOTH goals without giving up something ( future Financial Flexbility, assets such as Picks/Prospects/$$$ ) that we cannot afford to pay. IMHO....the practical thing is to choose one or the other. Given the Financial situation of the Pacers, I think the prudent choice is obvious but not optimal when it comes to improving the Team....avoid paying the LT in the 2010-2011 season. The Pacers Organization is a business first and must stay afloat before it can improve the Team.

90'sNBARocked
01-15-2010, 12:38 PM
Don't tell JOB, he'll offer Troy and himself for peanuts to get in on that action.

How do you like Phoenix?

thanks for asking

Its pretty cool, no more cold weather, beautiful mountains and low cost of living

on the negative side July and August its hotter than heck, and the job market pays les than places like Chi, NYC, ATL

But its really growing and if you like the snow you just drive 2 hours north to flagstaff!!

BillS
01-15-2010, 03:52 PM
WTF kind of reaction is that?

Really wasn't commenting just on you, it was mostly everyone who has been hinting all of these things in more threads than just this one.

And, you'll note I never said anything about hating on the players. The general consensus amongst the whole playing badly as rebellion conspiracy theorists is that the team is really trying to find sneaky ways to get rid of JOB or Bird or both, thus "Gotta hate the coach and the organization".

I just think too many people take delight in coming up with conspiracy theories rather than looking at a simple "losing wears you down" or "hit the wall and struggled over".

OakMoses
01-15-2010, 07:00 PM
Just going on record with my thoughts here.

Troy Murphy for Cap Relief = Good Trade
Troy Murphy for Cap Relief + Asset (Prospect or 1st Round Pick) = Home Run

CableKC
01-15-2010, 07:03 PM
Just going on record with my thoughts here.

Troy Murphy for Cap Relief = Good Trade
Troy Murphy for Cap Relief + Asset (Prospect or 1st Round Pick) = Home Run
I'd love for us to hit a Home Run....but I'd settle for a "Good trade" rather then miss our chance of even stepping up to the batter's box if Bird asks for too much. As many have said...hopefully Bird is just bidding high and working his way down to something reasonable for both parties involved.

Trader Joe
01-15-2010, 10:31 PM
Shade, I don't think the Pacers want to take on that much salary next year, the kind you'd get if Troy was just part of a package you put together for a player. At Troy's talent level along with most of the other pieces, teams aren't going to give up that expensive a player if he's actually worth the salary.

What really good $15m player is going to be available simply for expiring contracts with little to no serious talent coming in return? You'd have to throw in tasty draft picks or guys like Hibbert or Granger to get teams interested.



Troy for Z sounds like a home run to me. Big time financial help and the team has McBob waiting for PT and just drafted Tyler. Not to mention that they'll be right in line to take Patterson (IMO) or perhaps Favors in this draft.


Seriously, you swap Reggie and McKey at SG/SF and call them Granger and Rush, then look at how AJ plays PG and how Roy scores vs rebounding/defense much like Smits did, and then have Patterson as the strong, physical PF ala Dale.

It's not that far away from looking like the 96 team (coach being the big difference at that point) and I don't think it's all that speculative to see the pending similarities. And you can do it without bringing back $10m in more years of contract for Troy in a trade. Just a little maturing and a style that matches the half court ability that team would have.

Did AJ Price get compared to Mark Jackson in this post?

tadscout
01-16-2010, 03:19 AM
I'd love for us to hit a Home Run....but I'd settle for a "Good trade" rather then miss our chance of even stepping up to the batter's box if Bird asks for too much. As many have said...hopefully Bird is just bidding high and working his way down to something reasonable for both parties involved.

From everything I've heard from every trade deadlines of past ALL GMs do the start high and work you way strat... it's not till the last week, to maybe even the last couple days do things start getting reasonable.

It's called the person in the drivers seat directing were all the negotiations w/ all the teams go and try to use the rest against each other to get the best deal possible.

If you just try to hammer out a quick 'fair' trade out with one team, you may never know that another team was willing to offer something far better...

So being a month aways GMs have thick skins they know asking prices are going to be starting high, and in no way are going to be offended... the only way you're going to offend someone is if you do a starting high offer with only a couple hours left to the deadline, then that would probably be insulting... and vis-versa of low balling people.

MLB007
01-17-2010, 05:50 AM
I don't see how the Lakers trading Bynum for Bosh improves them that much now. certainly not long term.
Gasol is not a real post player, nor is Bosh. Bynum iS. Bynum/Gasol is a more balanced front than Bosh/Gasol.
Playing 2 power forwards instead a true center seldom helps anyone.