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I Love P
01-12-2010, 11:05 PM
Inside article on ESPN.com...if someone is a member of Insider could you please post the article. Murphy has to be mentioned.

Thank You

Dr. Awesome
01-12-2010, 11:12 PM
Nothing big, just listing David West as another option.

DGPR
01-12-2010, 11:14 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors
ESPN.com




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http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/2177.jpg (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2177) Most trade chatter surrounding the Cavs right now has them pining after the services of either Antawn Jamison (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=385) or Troy Murphy (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1013). Zydrunas Ilgauskas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=362)' expiring contract is usually what's included from the Cavs' end.
But there's an entirely different scenario that ESPN's Chris Sheridan outlines for the Cavs, one involving Daniel Gibson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3006) and a few other parts to the Hornets for David West (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2177).
West is a similar player to Murphy and Jamison and would fill a similar role: a bit of a "stretch 4" who can score and rebound at a high volume.
Take it away, Mr. Sheridan.


http://a.espncdn.com/i/columnists/sheridan_chris_30.jpg Chris Sheridan

Gibson, others could be used to acquire West (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/30259)

"If they can upgrade Gibson and use Wally Szczerbiak (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=831)/Lorenzen Wright (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=959) to make the money work, I think they'll do something. I'd say a Gibson trade is five times more likely than a Big Z trade. Also, I know Jamario Moon (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3249) is out three weeks, but it still sort of feels like I'm watching a showcase every time I see Jawad Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2850) on the floor. If they combo Jawad, Gibson and Wally, they could get a nice piece back. If they added J.J. Hickson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3437) to that threesome, I'd bet they could get David West."



Nothing new really.

I Love P
01-12-2010, 11:20 PM
Thanks, I wish Bird would make a move already.

BlueNGold
01-12-2010, 11:52 PM
I love the "similar player to Murphy and Jamison" comment. Again, someone help me. How are they similar?

Ok, they both can shoot from 25 feet. So can I. What else?

IUfan4life
01-12-2010, 11:54 PM
I love the "similar player to Murphy and Jamison" comment. Again, someone help me. How are they similar?

Ok, they both can shoot from 25 feet. So can I. What else?

rebound and no D. just because one is black...

BlueNGold
01-13-2010, 12:01 AM
rebound and no D. just because one is black...

What? Jamison has averaged over 20 ppg 6 times in his career and 25 once. Troy's had a few years around 14-15 ppg. ...and Jamison is very athletic and hard to guard. There is no comparison.

tadscout
01-13-2010, 12:03 AM
Thanks, I wish Bird would make a move already.

Ever think it's not Bird that is stalling things but the Wiz Dragging their feet trying to decide what they are going to do with Jamison?

Bird may be calling Ferry every hour on the hour, but if the Cavs want Jamison as option #1 then there is nothing Bird can do till everything in Wizard land is cleared up and decided what direction they are going to head.

Sooo everyone take a deep breath and remember it takes two to tango in trades, and just b/c nothing is happening doesn't mean that Bird isn't doing anything...

Lance George
01-13-2010, 12:07 AM
What? Jamison has averaged over 20 ppg 6 times in his career and 25 once. Troy's had a few years around 14-15 ppg. ...and Jamison is very athletic and hard to guard. There is no comparison.

Judging by his lack of team success, it's safe to conclude that Jamison is a hollow stats guy.

Dr. Awesome
01-13-2010, 12:15 AM
Judging by his lack of team success, it's safe to conclude that Jamison is a hollow stats guy.

I wouldn't say that. His teams have had some success, when they almost beat LeBron's Cavs and so on - but on top of that he gives 110% every time I've watched him play and hes a team player. I think he's just had bad luck with the teams he ends up on - but his Mavs were good, even though he was the 6th man there.

cdash
01-13-2010, 12:19 AM
What? Jamison has averaged over 20 ppg 6 times in his career and 25 once. Troy's had a few years around 14-15 ppg. ...and Jamison is very athletic and hard to guard. There is no comparison.

What do you mean there's no comparison? Just because Jamison has been more successful than Murphy doesn't mean you can't compare them. They are both 4's that stretch the floor and rebound.

bulldog
01-13-2010, 12:51 AM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors
ESPN.com

Nothing new really.

It's news to me that the Cavs could get David West in exchange for spare parts without giving up Big Z, in one sportswriter's opinion.
For a league that's all about dollars and cents, its interesting that personal loyalty and a decade of solid service are keeping Ilgauskas in a Cavs uniform.
I can't imagine any reason he's still there except that LeBron and the Cavs fans like him personally.

BornReady
01-13-2010, 01:28 AM
Judging by his lack of team success, it's safe to conclude that Jamison is a hollow stats guy.

really? does the same go for granger then?

IndyProdigy
01-13-2010, 01:43 AM
really? does the same go for granger then?

no. the wiz are loaded with talent. alot of ppl picked them to win 50+games this year in the preseason.

CableKC
01-13-2010, 04:17 AM
What do you mean there's no comparison? Just because Jamison has been more successful than Murphy doesn't mean you can't compare them. They are both 4's that stretch the floor and rebound.
Difference being that one is way more athletic then the other one....while one has a shorter contract then the other.

I really hope that the Wizards are asking for Hickson and that the Pacers ( ultimately ) settle for Big Z and something less ( maybe a 2nd rounder or something ). I know that some of you think that I am undervaluing Murphy....but unless there is some other Teams that are interested in him.....the Cavs are the best option for the Pacers to move him and I don't want to let some minor incentive get in the way of that. I really believe that it will come down to how much the Cavs are going to give up to get Jamison ( a likely 1st choice ), Murphy or West. I wouldn't be surprised if Hickson is the sticking point for the Wizards.

CableKC
01-13-2010, 05:01 AM
One of the things to consider when it comes to West.....one of the goals of the Hornets is to try to reduce their 2009-2010 Salary Cap as much as they can. If they do a straight up swap of Big Z for West+small filler....the Hornets will only increase their Salary cap for 2009-2010....which is what they want to avoid. The Hornets could add more contracts to reduce the amount of Salary Cap that they send in while taking in less...but there would be less incentive for the Cavs to do it.

90'sNBARocked
01-13-2010, 03:14 PM
Difference being that one is way more athletic then the other one....while one has a shorter contract then the other.

I really hope that the Wizards are asking for Hickson and that the Pacers ( ultimately ) settle for Big Z and something less ( maybe a 2nd rounder or something ). I know that some of you think that I am undervaluing Murphy....but unless there is some other Teams that are interested in him.....the Cavs are the best option for the Pacers to move him and I don't want to let some minor incentive get in the way of that. I really believe that it will come down to how much the Cavs are going to give up to get Jamison ( a likely 1st choice ), Murphy or West. I wouldn't be surprised if Hickson is the sticking point for the Wizards.

Im with you a 100% bro,

If They hold out for Hickson I will be highly critical. Unless the counter point is holding on to Murph to possibly have better options next year

Speed
01-13-2010, 03:18 PM
Im with you a 100% bro,

If They hold out for Hickson I will be highly critical. Unless the counter point is holding on to Murph to possibly have better options next year

It's something to consider, I mean better options later. What about Dajuan Blair from San Antonio?

I mean almost any true contender could use a Murphy, right?

If Murphy can stay healthy, keep playing at his current level, they really could make a decent move, I think.

90'sNBARocked
01-13-2010, 04:18 PM
It's something to consider, I mean better options later. What about Dajuan Blair from San Antonio?

I mean almost any true contender could use a Murphy, right?

If Murphy can stay healthy, keep playing at his current level, they really could make a decent move, I think.

Yeah thats the dilema

The risk is injury or ssever drop in production would lesson his value , while its about plateaued currently

BornReady
01-13-2010, 04:20 PM
looks like NO isnt looking to move west

BlueNGold
01-13-2010, 10:36 PM
What do you mean there's no comparison? Just because Jamison has been more successful than Murphy doesn't mean you can't compare them. They are both 4's that stretch the floor and rebound.

Then you might as well compare Roy Hibbert to Kareem...

The fact is, Murphy's teams have been worse on average. Washington is terrible now but has been really good in the recent past...and Jamison has been a huge reason for that. If any GM would trade Jamison for Murphy, just let me know who that is.