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Peck
01-04-2010, 04:34 AM
barring a trade or high draft pick (which I believe we should get just probably not the #1) I am going to make this bold prediction now.

A.J. Price is our starting point guard next season. In fact I would not be suprised if he does not start getting the lions share of the min. in the second half of the season.

This is not your typical late 2nd round pick. This guy has ice water in his veins and it not intimidated by anyone and certainly is not afraid to shoot.

Is is possible that this years first and second round picks will end up being better in the long run than last years two first round picks? I like Roy and think he can be with the club for a long time and maybe even be a special player. But I also think that of Tyler.

Here is where I am going out on a limb, but at this moment I think Price will end up being more with us than Rush. Brandon has played better of late but his dropoff has certainly been a dissapointment.

But what I really hope is that all 4 become regulars here. Think about that in two drafts Bird has gotten us a center, a point guard, a power forward and a wing (I don't know if I would call him a shooting guard).

With a good high quality pick this year then hopefully by the time next season rolls around we can at least get out of this nose dive that we are in.

Thought I would look for a silver lining in some very dark clouds.:cool:

Unclebuck
01-04-2010, 09:43 AM
I have not seen nearly enough of Price to have any comments on whether he is capable of being a starting NBA point guard, let alone a successful one

ksuttonjr76
01-04-2010, 09:52 AM
Brandon Rush will develop into a better defensive player over time though with some occassional explosive offensive nights. Honestly, he's the extra piece that will keep other teams honest, because he'll hit the open jumper or make teams pay for double teaming Hibbert/Granger/Hansbrough. Roy Hibbert IS the center of the future. The jury is still out on Tyler Hansbrough, but I'm liking his game thus far this season. The more and more I think about it, Tyler should REALLY model his game after Karl Malone. I had made the comment earlier kinda serious kinda not, but I watched some Karl Malone videos on youtube, and I was like...yeah...that's we need at the PF spot.

Speed
01-04-2010, 09:52 AM
I like what I've seen so far with AJ. He's aggressive, sees the floor, good handles.

I think he'll have a night, this year, where he's hitting those shots and he'll drop 30 on someone. Watch. :D

If he works more on his shot, I think he has a pretty high ceiling.

Slick Pinkham
01-04-2010, 10:25 AM
Also on the bright side, the Knicks game has to be pretty near rock-bottom, right?

It can only get better, one would hope, getting routed by a team that has no particular interest in winning this year but is biding time until lots of bloated contracts expire.

duke dynamite
01-04-2010, 10:38 AM
So far Price has done a great job. He was chucking an awful lot of shots last night, though.

bphil
01-04-2010, 10:40 AM
Another positive is the fact that we may set the NBA record for the most variations in the starting lineup for a single season. Are Price and Hans the only guys who haven't gotten a start yet this season? They're due, aren't they?

sportfireman
01-04-2010, 10:51 AM
after allstar break i think a.j. and tyler will be starting..........

after a.s.break lineup.........price, rush, granger, handsbrough, hibbert....... my prediction:dance:

bphil
01-04-2010, 10:55 AM
after allstar break i think a.j. and tyler will be starting..........

after a.s.break lineup.........price, rush, granger, handsbrough, hibbert....... my prediction:dance:

That would be a killer summer league lineup! :happydanc

Speed
01-04-2010, 10:56 AM
after allstar break i think a.j. and tyler will be starting..........

after a.s.break lineup.........price, rush, granger, handsbrough, hibbert....... my prediction:dance:

aka the All-John Wall squad.

PaceBalls
01-04-2010, 10:56 AM
after allstar break i think a.j. and tyler will be starting..........

after a.s.break lineup.........price, rush, granger, handsbrough, hibbert....... my prediction:dance:


So what you are saying is we are going to have a new coach? :dance:

McKeyFan
01-04-2010, 10:56 AM
I have not seen nearly enough of Price to have any comments on whether he is capable of being a starting NBA point guard, let alone a successful one

I like everything about him except that he threw up a bunch of bricks last night from the perimeter.

It seems, at best, he is only going to be a streak shooter from out there, not a consistent one.

sportfireman
01-04-2010, 11:13 AM
That would be a killer summer league lineup! :happydanc
bettter than our current nba line up....IMO




So what you are saying is we are going to have a new coach? :dance:

oh how i wish:happydanc

another bold predition by a.s.break jim will change his mind on the vets:rolleyes:

UNLESS we are trying to showcase them.

sportfireman
01-04-2010, 11:17 AM
I like everything about him except that he threw up a bunch of bricks last night from the perimeter.

It seems, at best, he is only going to be a streak shooter from out there, not a consistent one.

i didn't see all the game last night but he was 5-11 how many were jumpers?

Kid Minneapolis
01-04-2010, 12:10 PM
Price isn't bad... not sure if he's NBA-caliber yet, though... he drove into the paint last night and got painfully swatted.

Sookie
01-04-2010, 02:42 PM
I like what I've seen so far with AJ. He's aggressive, sees the floor, good handles.

I think he'll have a night, this year, where he's hitting those shots and he'll drop 30 on someone. Watch. :D

If he works more on his shot, I think he has a pretty high ceiling.

I've honestly been suprised that he's on such a poor streak of shooting. He'd have an off game here or there, but not like this.

However, he jumps really high on his shots, and I think more than anything he just needs to get used to the back to backs and adjust to that. His legs are probably tired. At least the midrange shot, which was automatic for him in college, was falling last night.

I'm glad he keeps shooting though. He needs to work himself out of it. In college if he missed one or two it was like "I'm not able to score now, it would be better if I set someone else up" And honestly, I think JOB would put him on the bench for it.

CableKC
01-04-2010, 03:08 PM
I've honestly been suprised that he's on such a poor streak of shooting. He'd have an off game here or there, but not like this.

However, he jumps really high on his shots, and I think more than anything he just needs to get used to the back to backs and adjust to that. His legs are probably tired. At least the midrange shot, which was automatic for him in college, was falling last night.

I'm glad he keeps shooting though. He needs to work himself out of it. In college if he missed one or two it was like "I'm not able to score now, it would be better if I set someone else up" And honestly, I think JOB would put him on the bench for it.
This question is directed to Sookie ( as well as anyone else that paid attention to his game in College ); but was AJ more of a shooter, scorer or neither in College?

To me, there's a difference between a shooter and a scorer. I get the impression that as the floor leader of a very solid UCONN Team....I'd guess that he can put up points and hope ( and :pray: ) that any shooting/scoring funk that he is in is a bi-product of NBA-Rookie-shock or the ineffective way that JO'B uses him on the offensive end ( mostly sharing the floor with another primary ball-handler that has to wait for the ball to get to him while standing at the 3pt line ). As you have suggested......I just hope that it's a matter of time when he starts figuring out his shot in the NBA.

As for the prediction that AJ becomes the Starter by next year....I doubt it. My prediction ( which is more of a "duh" since Diener won't be renewed ) is that he'll be the 1st PG off the bench no later then the start of the 2011-2012 season. I am hoping his "floor" is a solid Backup PG while :pray: that his ceiling is a Starting Caliber PG ( a la Steve Blake...which isn't a bad thing ). Given our luck and the way this team is run....I'd hope for the latter ( Starting PG ) but wouldn't be surprised ( nor disappointed ) if he turned out to be the former ( a solid backup PG ).

Speed
01-04-2010, 03:16 PM
i didn't see all the game last night but he was 5-11 how many were jumpers?

3 were 3s. I think he is streaky, but I think that guys coming into the NBA can absolutely become improved pretty quickly too. I mean you see guys who are horrible college (Kidd/Rondo) become guys you have to guard (at least some) and you see guys who are good in college become outstanding (Redd/Rip). So I think he can become very very good, but more important, consistent.

I'll defer to the guys who saw him in college, but the two games I saw of him start to finish, he was the best player on the court.

Just a side note, I think I remember from when we drafted him that he was a pretty explosive athlete who got injured and had become hesitant to take it to the hole, but was rounding back into that game.

odeez
01-04-2010, 03:16 PM
Yeah, we all just need to see AJ on the floor more before we can make any judgements on whether he can be that guy. Would love it if he was, no doubt. I like that he is aggressive, I just need to see more of him.

Hicks
01-04-2010, 03:23 PM
He shot I believe 40 or 41% from both the field and from 3 last year in college, so I think he should become a decent jumpshooter for us, but probably not a slasher/finisher. Especially for a 2nd rounder, I can live with that if he can shoot around 40% from long range and be at least okay on D.

Shawne#4
01-04-2010, 03:29 PM
I'd rather have him backing up John Wall.

Sookie
01-04-2010, 03:31 PM
This question is directed to Sookie ( as well as anyone else that paid attention to his game in College ); but was AJ more of a shooter, scorer or neither in College?

To me, there's a difference between a shooter and a scorer. I get the impression that as the floor leader of a very solid UCONN Team....I'd guess that he can put up points and hope ( and :pray: ) that any shooting/scoring funk that he is in is a bi-product of NBA-Rookie-shock or the ineffective way that JO'B uses him on the offensive end ( mostly sharing the floor with another primary ball-handler that has to wait for the ball to get to him while standing at the 3pt line ). As you have suggested......I just hope that it's a matter of time when he starts figuring out his shot in the NBA.

As for the prediction that AJ becomes the Starter by next year....I doubt it. My prediction ( which is more of a "duh" since Diener won't be renewed ) is that he'll be the 1st PG off the bench no later then the start of the 2011-2012 season. I am hoping his "floor" is a solid Backup PG while :pray: that his ceiling is a Starting Caliber PG ( a la Steve Blake...which isn't a bad thing ). Given our luck and the way this team is run....I'd hope for the latter ( Starting PG ) but wouldn't be surprised ( nor disappointed ) if he turned out to be the former ( a solid backup PG ).

That is a really really tough question to answer. The guy never got a year in college where he wasn't trying to bring himself back from something.

His junior year may have been his best statistically. That year, he was more of a scorer. He'd make 3's when needed, but it wasn't a strong part of his game, most would say he was a "solid" three point shooter. That year, had he not been injured and had decided to leave school for the draft, he would have been a first round pick.

But he was injured. (ACL) And he came back, first half of the year..he was..inconsistent. Which is expected. The most consistent thing about him was his three point shot. He was a shooter his senior year. Did he have his off games..sure he did. Most of his senior year he was around 42% from three point land, which is very good, especially since he was the only three point shooter on his team. *and I mean only. When Jerome Dyson went down, the other three players who supposedly could make threes, went 4 for 59 the rest of the regular season. Craig Austrie 1, Kemba Walker 2, and Stanley Robinson 1.* So to shoot that high of a percentage when you are the only player teams need to bother to guard, well clearly he was a shooter.

Early on, with the exception of the first preseason game. AJ was shooting fine. It's just as of late that he's missing. But like I said. He has good form on his shot, but he does jump quite high when he shoots. There have been a mass of games lately, and my guess is it's more of a Rookie's legs trying to adjust, rather than a "he's a really streaky shooter"

The interesting thing to me, is that he seems pretty comfortable, in fact a lot more comfortable, slashing to the basket. His explosiveness and quickness should be fully returned by about March. They say it takes about two years with ACL injuries.

Honestly, AJ Price is just "good" at everything. He's a good shooter, a good passer, a good defender, a good ball handler..ect...He is excellent at the pick and roll, very smart, was clutch in college, and has the leadership intangibles..that my guess is we won't see too much this year..unless JOB fully hands the team over to Price, Hibbert, and Tyler. He's not outstanding at one particular thing. But he's not bad at anything either.

personally, I think he'll end up a starting caliber point guard, but not if you want your point guard to be a star. And he's also the type of player that fans don't get annoyed with, because rarely does he do anything stupid.

Trophy
01-04-2010, 03:37 PM
I'm happy to see JOB give a future PG in A.J. more time as Earl's backup.

I think Brandon is still finding his "true" role in the rotation. He's a great SG and has been better lately which is great to see for future reference. I see him here for more years to come.

I honestly think even when Danny, Troy, and Tyler all return, it won't be enough to pull us into the playoffs. The whole team hasn't been stepping up in anyone's place.

Speed
01-04-2010, 04:36 PM
When everyone returns healthy it will be just enough to drop 5 draft positions. Green.

sportfireman
01-04-2010, 04:48 PM
Brandon Rush will develop into a better defensive player over time though with some occassional explosive offensive nights. Honestly, he's the extra piece that will keep other teams honest, because he'll hit the open jumper or make teams pay for double teaming Hibbert/Granger/Hansbrough. Roy Hibbert IS the center of the future. The jury is still out on Tyler Hansbrough, but I'm liking his game thus far this season. The more and more I think about it, Tyler should REALLY model his game after Karl Malone. I had made the comment earlier kinda serious kinda not, but I watched some Karl Malone videos on youtube, and I was like...yeah...that's we need at the PF spot.



i think and hope rush can and will turn into a bruce bowen type player........ a smart good defensive minded player that can hit the open shot.... and a key part of our championship team.


EDIT: if u look at their style its kind of similiar..........bowen isn't and attacker on offense, neither is rush but bowen will hit the open jumper when given to him...... not the in transition jumper, the half court offense im in the corner open jumper. thats what i think rush can develop into.

but on defense bowen is aggressive thats what i see in rush he likes playing defensive......he and all the rest of our players are just too tired from running up and down the floor with obriens offensive style that he can't play defense as effective as he can

this post made me think about rush and his game....so i posted my thoughts on rush's game in the "Is Rush a Shooter" thread........and im bringing it here to get some of you all opinions....if you don't mind.:D

BornReady
01-04-2010, 04:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf7jFxx91Ek

PacerDude
01-04-2010, 06:23 PM
another bold predition by a.s.break jim will change his mind on the vets:rolleyes:

UNLESS we are trying to showcase them.Doubtful.

The rest of the league already knows they're mediocre at best.

Kraft
01-04-2010, 06:25 PM
I think success for the next year-and-a-half for the Pacers is pretty simple:

-- Keep Danny Granger healthy.
-- Play Hibbert, Hansbrough, Price and Rush at least 25 minutes a game.
-- Surround them with players on one-year deals, a la Head and Watson, and Dunleavy and Murphy next year. Surround them with players who play hard, a la Jones and Foster.
-- Add no more long-term salary.
-- Draft well.
-- Did I mention playing Hibbert, Hansbrough, Price and Rush at least 25 minutes a game?

I suppose I didn't mention winning or coaching. Funny how that works.

NashvilleKat
01-04-2010, 07:26 PM
Also on the bright side, the Knicks game has to be pretty near rock-bottom, right?

It can only get better, one would hope, getting routed by a team that has no particular interest in winning this year but is biding time until lots of bloated contracts expire.


We're playing without our #1 scoring option (Granger), our #2 scoring option (Murphy), our veteran rebounding center (Foster) and our power forward of the future (Hansbrough). Mix in our $8-million dollar man (TJ Ford) who is proving to be a bust, and it's no wonder we're getting drubbed....four starters + Tyler are missing in action! If that isn't enough, Dunleavy is gassed from not being in game shape yet. No team could be competitive under these conditions.

dohman
01-04-2010, 07:30 PM
We're playing without our #1 scoring option (Granger), our #2 scoring option (Murphy), our veteran rebounding center (Foster) and our power forward of the future (Hansbrough). Mix in our $8-million dollar man (TJ Ford) who is proving to be a bust, and it's no wonder we're getting drubbed....four starters + Tyler are missing in action! No team could be competitive under these conditions.



Don't forget we are paying tinsley.... There's another start player we could have with that money

duke dynamite
01-04-2010, 08:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf7jFxx91Ek
Please make it stop. Remembering last year only makes this one more painful to live through. We actually beat the Lakers last year. Things like that only happen once a millennia.

Anthem
01-04-2010, 08:13 PM
I think success for the next year-and-a-half for the Pacers is pretty simple:

-- Keep Danny Granger healthy.
-- Play Hibbert, Hansbrough, Price and Rush at least 25 minutes a game.
-- Surround them with players on one-year deals, a la Head and Watson, and Dunleavy and Murphy next year. Surround them with players who play hard, a la Jones and Foster.
-- Add no more long-term salary.
-- Draft well.
-- Did I mention playing Hibbert, Hansbrough, Price and Rush at least 25 minutes a game?

I suppose I didn't mention winning or coaching. Funny how that works.
Kraft! Good to see you, man! Post more often!

the jaddler
01-04-2010, 10:32 PM
He shot I believe 40 or 41% from both the field and from 3 last year in college, so I think he should become a decent jumpshooter for us, but probably not a slasher/finisher. Especially for a 2nd rounder, I can live with that if he can shoot around 40% from long range and be at least okay on D.

better than what we got going on now! i think price will be come an excellent player for us...if we can keep him and get him minutes for some experince.

but is tyler really good enough to be our next true power foward.....his he going to be are great jedi?

ksuttonjr76
01-05-2010, 12:16 AM
this post made me think about rush and his game....so i posted my thoughts on rush's game in the "Is Rush a Shooter" thread........and im bringing it here to get some of you all opinions....if you don't mind.:D

Yeah, I saw your comment, and it was a D*MN good summary of Brandon Rush.

Midcoasted
01-05-2010, 03:01 AM
barring a trade or high draft pick (which I believe we should get just probably not the #1) I am going to make this bold prediction now.

A.J. Price is our starting point guard next season. In fact I would not be suprised if he does not start getting the lions share of the min. in the second half of the season.

This is not your typical late 2nd round pick. This guy has ice water in his veins and it not intimidated by anyone and certainly is not afraid to shoot.

Is is possible that this years first and second round picks will end up being better in the long run than last years two first round picks? I like Roy and think he can be with the club for a long time and maybe even be a special player. But I also think that of Tyler.

Here is where I am going out on a limb, but at this moment I think Price will end up being more with us than Rush. Brandon has played better of late but his dropoff has certainly been a dissapointment.

But what I really hope is that all 4 become regulars here. Think about that in two drafts Bird has gotten us a center, a point guard, a power forward and a wing (I don't know if I would call him a shooting guard).

With a good high quality pick this year then hopefully by the time next season rolls around we can at least get out of this nose dive that we are in.

Thought I would look for a silver lining in some very dark clouds.:cool:

Old news. I've been talking this for a while. You can check out some of my older threads. :p

I think Its obvious all four of these need to be starting right now. Along with Granger we have a real team again. Along with Dunleavy, Watson, McRoberts and Foster coming off the bench, this is a very solid 9 man rotation for us at this point.

Even if we suck it up this year and are mediocore this year and next, and get mid round picks, we still have 30 something million coming off the books in 2011. Birds draft record with where he has drafted is an A to me so far. AJ may be the steal of the draft. He is an NBA ready PG late in the second round, so we still get Hansboro, and a PG. Yea it was the most PG heavy draft and AJ may be the most underated PG of them all.

Hibbert and Rush were obvious picks IMO. Next year we might actually be good even if we get say, a 10-15 pick, due to the progression of our young guys and Granger. Noone knows the future for sure.


My question is if we draft a guy like John Wall how do we have the cap space to sign him? I mean he is going to get big bucks right? Maybe a mid round pick is more desireable so I havent given up. I just dont know what to do about Murphy or Ford. They just don't fit here, and noone wants them for their price. We are pretty much screwed. I don't know how we will get out of this but 60 something million dollars over the next 2 years for bench players or players that are no longer here? We are getting raped in this deal.

Murphy is a great player, on another team. Ford would be a good player, on a winning team. People say he wouldn't fit on the Lakers, I think he would. Think of how wide open he would be in the lanes. He can create, and hit the midrange when wide open. I don't know why a team like LA wouldn't take a chance.

And for Murphy, Im still shocked why Cleveland hasn't bit, he would actually be a good fit there with Lebron collapsing defenses. Last time I checked they still have Shaq. I wouldnt be surprised to see the big fella full speed come post season. Murphy would just kill the other teams with wide open threes. He would definitely shoot over 40 percent from three in Cleveland from three. Maybe another coach could use him more effectively than we are. You do have to admit he does have some talent. We just are by no means a strong defensive team so we can't allow a liability on defense like that, they could for 20 minutes a game. Murphy could easily get a double double for them in 20.

:signit:

d_c
01-05-2010, 03:42 AM
My question is if we draft a guy like John Wall how do we have the cap space to sign him? I mean he is going to get big bucks right? Maybe a mid round pick is more desireable so I havent given up. I just dont know what to do about Murphy or Ford. They just don't fit here, and noone wants them for their price. We are pretty much screwed. I don't know how we will get out of this but 60 something million dollars over the next 2 years for bench players or players that are no longer here? We are getting raped in this deal.

Murphy is a great player, on another team. Ford would be a good player, on a winning team. People say he wouldn't fit on the Lakers, I think he would. Think of how wide open he would be in the lanes. He can create, and hit the midrange when wide open. I don't know why a team like LA wouldn't take a chance.

And for Murphy, Im still shocked why Cleveland hasn't bit, he would actually be a good fit there with Lebron collapsing defenses. Last time I checked they still have Shaq. I wouldnt be surprised to see the big fella full speed come post season. Murphy would just kill the other teams with wide open threes. He would definitely shoot over 40 percent from three in Cleveland from three. Maybe another coach could use him more effectively than we are. You do have to admit he does have some talent. We just are by no means a strong defensive team so we can't allow a liability on defense like that, they could for 20 minutes a game. Murphy could easily get a double double for them in 20.
:signit:

John Wall will be like every other player drafted in the 1st round. He'll be on a 4 year rookie scale contract, with team options for the 3rd and 4th seasons. By rule, you are allowed to go over the cap to sign your 1st round draft picks. No team in the league has had a problem signing their first round picks ever since the league started rookie scale contracts in 1995. The only problems have been with international players with large buyouts with their previous pro team. And in some cases, players have changed their mind about wanting to play in the NBA after getting drafted (Fran Vazquez). Other than that, 1st round pick signability has been a non-issue.

Murphy isn't a great player on any NBA team by any stretch of the word. He was a great NCAA player, I'll give you that. In the NBA, he's a decent change of pace backup bigman.