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Pacemaker
01-03-2010, 10:13 PM
I was wondering, what do you guys think about Brandon Rush's shooting ability? Is he really a good shooter or he just has a good looking shot? Clearly his percentages are not good but I seemed to fall in love with his beautiful form. Feel free to comment ;)

LG33
01-03-2010, 10:15 PM
Well, he's not one of the best shooters in the NBA like Kareem Rush or Travis Diener - that's clear.

Spirit
01-03-2010, 10:15 PM
I think the reason he's thought of as a shooter is because 1. his form and 2. it's the best thing about him on offense.

Trader Joe
01-03-2010, 10:16 PM
Rush's best asset on offense and defense is his mind followed by his athletic ability. Currently tho, he's boom or bust on offense, and most of the time it's bust.

LG33
01-03-2010, 10:17 PM
Rush's best asset on offense and defense is his mind followed by his athletic ability.

Apparently his greatest strength is also his biggest weakness.

By no means am I blaming his shortcomings on the coach, but I would love to see both he and Hibbert in a different offensive system before I'd feel comfortable passing judgement one way or another.

Trader Joe
01-03-2010, 10:21 PM
I guess it depends on your definition of mind, clearly to me at least, his basketball IQ is very good. He understands the game, if I were going to declare his greatest weakness I would say it is his passive, some might even say apathetic attitude.

jhondog28
01-03-2010, 10:23 PM
He looks completely lost out there and his release is very slow. What he does well is.......damn i thought I could think of something

NapTonius Monk
01-03-2010, 10:34 PM
Well, he's not one of the best shooters in the NBA like Kareem Rush or Travis Diener - that's clear.

:laugh:

Naptown_Seth
01-03-2010, 11:27 PM
Rush's best asset on offense and defense is his mind followed by his athletic ability. Currently tho, he's boom or bust on offense, and most of the time it's bust.
I agree. He's not a catch and shoot guy, he's a "what can I help you with today" offensive player. Look at his rebounding for example, it's typically well above what you'd expect from a "shooter". Same for his defense.

I say it again and again, Rush is the guy between guys when a play is made. He's the "B" in an A to B to C scoring play. He was this way at Kansas too. Then every now and then he'd have a game where he'd just go nuts with his scoring. But usually he was a facilitator between guys like Chalmers, Collins and Arthur.

This offense asks him to catch and shoot from a spot too often IMO. That's more of a Kareem Rush game than a Brandon thing.


The sooner people view him as Derrick McKey at SG and not Byron Scott, the better. That should include the coach. His points have to come from the flow rather than as the focus.


I'm not trying to "defend" him any more than I'd defend "2+2=4" if someone asked why it doesn't equal 5. That's just the way it is. You can hope it will change but I don't think it will, I don't think he's a good draft pick if you wanted a pure shooter. Doug-Rob was the "pure shooter" type in that draft, not BR or even C Lee. But then CDR's defense is not good. It's a tradeoff.

And if it's Price at PG, Granger at SF and you are working most sets off Roy in the low post then Rush is fine. Danny can bomb away, Price fills up a few, and then Rush cherry picks them from time to time while helping to keep the system running.

ksuttonjr76
01-03-2010, 11:54 PM
I agree. He's not a catch and shoot guy, he's a "what can I help you with today" offensive player. Look at his rebounding for example, it's typically well above what you'd expect from a "shooter". Same for his defense.

I say it again and again, Rush is the guy between guys when a play is made. He's the "B" in an A to B to C scoring play. He was this way at Kansas too. Then every now and then he'd have a game where he'd just go nuts with his scoring. But usually he was a facilitator between guys like Chalmers, Collins and Arthur.

This offense asks him to catch and shoot from a spot too often IMO. That's more of a Kareem Rush game than a Brandon thing.


The sooner people view him as Derrick McKey at SG and not Byron Scott, the better. That should include the coach. His points have to come from the flow rather than as the focus.


I'm not trying to "defend" him any more than I'd defend "2+2=4" if someone asked why it doesn't equal 5. That's just the way it is. You can hope it will change but I don't think it will, I don't think he's a good draft pick if you wanted a pure shooter. Doug-Rob was the "pure shooter" type in that draft, not BR or even C Lee. But then CDR's defense is not good. It's a tradeoff.

And if it's Price at PG, Granger at SF and you are working most sets off Roy in the low post then Rush is fine. Danny can bomb away, Price fills up a few, and then Rush cherry picks them from time to time while helping to keep the system running.

Good summary.

sportfireman
01-04-2010, 10:58 AM
i think and hope rush can and will turn into a bruce bowen type player........ a smart good defensive minded player that can hit the open shot.... and a key part of our championship team.


EDIT: if u look at their style its kind of similiar..........bowen isn't and attacker on offense, neither is rush but bowen will hit the open jumper when given to him...... not the in transition jumper, the half court offense im in the corner open jumper. thats what i think rush can develop into.

but on defense bowen is aggressive thats what i see in rush he likes playing defensive......he and all the rest of our players are just too tired from running up and down the floor with obriens offensive style that he can't play defense as effective as he can.

Kid Minneapolis
01-04-2010, 12:07 PM
His shot looks beautiful... the results of the shot are for the most part less than beautiful... unfortunately.

I think once (if) he marries his beautiful shot with accuracy, we'll see something special. As of now, he's just a beautiful shot, who misses it too often.

IndyPacer
01-04-2010, 10:56 PM
I agree. He's not a catch and shoot guy, he's a "what can I help you with today" offensive player. Look at his rebounding for example, it's typically well above what you'd expect from a "shooter". Same for his defense.

I say it again and again, Rush is the guy between guys when a play is made. He's the "B" in an A to B to C scoring play. He was this way at Kansas too. Then every now and then he'd have a game where he'd just go nuts with his scoring. But usually he was a facilitator between guys like Chalmers, Collins and Arthur.

This offense asks him to catch and shoot from a spot too often IMO. That's more of a Kareem Rush game than a Brandon thing.


The sooner people view him as Derrick McKey at SG and not Byron Scott, the better. That should include the coach. His points have to come from the flow rather than as the focus.


I'm not trying to "defend" him any more than I'd defend "2+2=4" if someone asked why it doesn't equal 5. That's just the way it is. You can hope it will change but I don't think it will, I don't think he's a good draft pick if you wanted a pure shooter. Doug-Rob was the "pure shooter" type in that draft, not BR or even C Lee. But then CDR's defense is not good. It's a tradeoff.

And if it's Price at PG, Granger at SF and you are working most sets off Roy in the low post then Rush is fine. Danny can bomb away, Price fills up a few, and then Rush cherry picks them from time to time while helping to keep the system running.

I'm feeling more and more like the Pacers desperately need a coaching change to make any improvements. I don't get the impression that this coach will be able to recognize the strengths of players he has or may get in the future. Hibbert especially. It's not working out. But given the NBA Draft is looking awesome at the top of the lottery, JO'B may be the perfect coach for Indiana for this season. :laugh:

Squirrelz
01-05-2010, 05:53 AM
I agree. He's not a catch and shoot guy, he's a "what can I help you with today" offensive player. Look at his rebounding for example, it's typically well above what you'd expect from a "shooter". Same for his defense.

I say it again and again, Rush is the guy between guys when a play is made. He's the "B" in an A to B to C scoring play. He was this way at Kansas too. Then every now and then he'd have a game where he'd just go nuts with his scoring. But usually he was a facilitator between guys like Chalmers, Collins and Arthur.

This offense asks him to catch and shoot from a spot too often IMO. That's more of a Kareem Rush game than a Brandon thing.


The sooner people view him as Derrick McKey at SG and not Byron Scott, the better. That should include the coach. His points have to come from the flow rather than as the focus.


I'm not trying to "defend" him any more than I'd defend "2+2=4" if someone asked why it doesn't equal 5. That's just the way it is. You can hope it will change but I don't think it will, I don't think he's a good draft pick if you wanted a pure shooter. Doug-Rob was the "pure shooter" type in that draft, not BR or even C Lee. But then CDR's defense is not good. It's a tradeoff.

And if it's Price at PG, Granger at SF and you are working most sets off Roy in the low post then Rush is fine. Danny can bomb away, Price fills up a few, and then Rush cherry picks them from time to time while helping to keep the system running.
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cordobes
01-05-2010, 08:18 AM
Yeah, I'm surprised he isn't shooting the ball better from distance and is so streaky; I agree he "should" be a better shooter and I'm not sure why he isn't.

I have a feeling he's better shooting off the catch on the move than in other type of shots, but this season his only good shot is the corner 3, which is mostly a spot up shot. It'd be nice to check his Sinergy file. And why is he so bad finishing at the rim and with the mid-range game?

I don't know, maybe there's something off in his shot nobody has noticed because the upper-body form looks so good. Has anyone noticed if he aligns his feet with the basket consistently? Perhaps he has vision problems. I have no idea. He rarely takes contested shots, his usage rate is fairly low, so it's not like he's forcing the issue. Maybe he's just streaky and is going through a slump.

Naptown_Seth
01-05-2010, 07:18 PM
His shot looks beautiful... the results of the shot are for the most part less than beautiful... unfortunately.

I think once (if) he marries his beautiful shot with accuracy, we'll see something special. As of now, he's just a beautiful shot, who misses it too often.
I've noticed that if he gets a pre-jump as he catches to go into his actual shot he seems to be a bit better. I think this also adds to why you want him shooting out of a play or planned situation where he can anticipate that the shot is coming to him. I don't think he's nearly as gifted when it comes to improvising or just rising up.

Of course Granger didn't use to have that game and last year it really took off for him. Still I'd consider him the exception not the rule.


He rarely takes contested shots, his usage rate is fairly low, so it's not like he's forcing the issue.
Great point, and look at his FTA rate because of this. Terrible. I don't need DJones crazy in the lane stuff, but he's got to show that he can get an advantage on guys in traffic from time to time.