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odeez
01-02-2010, 10:30 PM
I Wanted to see what your guys thoughts were on TJ not playing tonight? Was there an injury? It says DNP COACH'S DECISION. I am fine with his minutes being cut, but to not play at all, makes you wonder. It was great in terms of the players that got minutes tonight, they played well and deserved to be on the floor. What are your thoughts on TJ not playing?

Thesterovic
01-02-2010, 10:31 PM
Yay!

LG33
01-02-2010, 10:33 PM
I was surprised that with T.J. out (I assume he was inactive for whatever reason), A.J. Price could only see 14 minutes of floor time. I'm not complaining - because we won - but I found it to be rather odd.

KnicksRGarbage
01-02-2010, 10:38 PM
Is it possible we can actually win without TJ and Troy?? Say it ain't so! But anyhow...
My thoughts?
We won.
Those are my thoughts.
Albeit against the Wolves, but we still won.

Justin Tyme
01-02-2010, 10:38 PM
I'm hoping it's b/c he's in the process of being traded.:);)

odeez
01-02-2010, 10:41 PM
I would rather see Head get TJ's minutes. I know Head is not a point guard, and not sure if him and AJ could play extend minutes together? I really feel we have to see what we have in AJ, so he needs to play. Head has shown he deserves time, with 30 last game and 21 tonight, and I just checked he had 6 assists as well tonight.

imawhat
01-02-2010, 10:45 PM
Ford needs a wakeup call. He's playing worse than I've ever seen him play, and in the past three games his defensive effort has waned to the point where it's non-existent.

It's the best thing O'Brien's done in a month. On a team with little leadership, O'Brien needs to step in and hold players accountable for their effort.

BlueNGold
01-02-2010, 10:59 PM
I'm hoping it's b/c he's in the process of being traded.:);)

I just about wet my pants when I read this....:D

BlueNGold
01-02-2010, 11:00 PM
I think this has been in the works for awhile. It's a new year and new plan....I hope.

spreedom
01-02-2010, 11:02 PM
Please say we're sitting him because a trade involving him is imminent....!

McKeyFan
01-02-2010, 11:03 PM
Will Obie have the stones to do the same with Troy?

By the way, I'm guessing TJ was one of the main guys Dahntay smoked out as not playing hard enough.

BlueNGold
01-02-2010, 11:07 PM
Will Obie have the stones to do the same with Troy?

By the way, I'm guessing TJ was one of the main guys Dahntay smoked out as not playing hard enough.

Very good question. I think the answer is no. I expect Murphy to retain his position. Obie loves Troy.

As for TJ being one of the slackers, IDK. I just think he's bad. In fact, I don't think any of these guys are slackers.

Hicks
01-02-2010, 11:09 PM
According to Wells on twitter before the game, Jim decided to bench him and promote AJ to backup.

kester99
01-02-2010, 11:26 PM
So...anything on the post-game show on this? Don't see it on League Pass.

Anthem
01-02-2010, 11:29 PM
Anybody think this is related to the "TJ Ford is laughing on the bench during a big loss" tweet?

Timing fits.

bambam
01-02-2010, 11:52 PM
murphy and ford for mcgrady works.....#1 reason, 23 million off the books for 2010 season. Remember the list of Free Agents avalaible. We are getting a guy that can be really good if healthy and seat filler. We use him and he uses us to prove he can be healthy. Giving him a better chance to sign a contract in 2010 with another team.

just my 2 cents

cdash
01-03-2010, 12:03 AM
murphy and ford for mcgrady works.....#1 reason, 23 million off the books for 2010 season. Remember the list of Free Agents avalaible. We are getting a guy that can be really good if healthy and seat filler. We use him and he uses us to prove he can be healthy. Giving him a better chance to sign a contract in 2010 with another team.

just my 2 cents

Why would Houston do that though?

dlewyus
01-03-2010, 12:08 AM
murphy and ford for mcgrady works.....#1 reason, 23 million off the books for 2010 season. Remember the list of Free Agents avalaible. We are getting a guy that can be really good if healthy and seat filler. We use him and he uses us to prove he can be healthy. Giving him a better chance to sign a contract in 2010 with another team.

just my 2 cents

Houston has a good team and 23 million coming off the books in 2010. Why on earth do they need Murphy and Ford?

NapTonius Monk
01-03-2010, 12:09 AM
Why would Houston do that though?

They wouldn't.

Hoop
01-03-2010, 12:24 AM
Traded, Benched, doesn't matter to me, as long as I don't have to see him play anymore. If he's now 3rd string, FABULOUS. I hope he's 4th string when Diener comes back.

Now if Murphy would get demoted to 3 or 4th string this just might be an enjoyable rest of the season win or lose.

kester99
01-03-2010, 12:28 AM
The only thing quoted from JOB before the game is that the line-up change gave the Pacers 'the best chance to win.'

bambam
01-03-2010, 12:59 AM
Why would Houston do that though?

Just my opinion, they are 3rd and only 3 games out in division and 7th in west (7games out of 1st). Right now McGrady is nothing to them, he isnt playing and they are in OK position in the West. Right now Houstons starting center Chuck Hayes is 6'6", not real tall in the NBA. Murphy is obviously a better player than him. Also, with Ming out for season and could be forever. TJ wont hurt with Brooks and Lowry as their guards. Seems when you are contending adding two descent players for none (atleast to them) isnt so bad continuing 20m on payroll for 1 more season.

pianoman
01-03-2010, 01:37 AM
Anybody else notice the noteworthy section of the game recap?

"With Watson ensconced as the starting point guard, A.J. Price has moved into the backup role. Former starter T.J. Ford is out of the rotation for the time being."

bulldog
01-03-2010, 01:39 AM
Anybody else notice the noteworthy section of the game recap?

"With Watson ensconced as the starting point guard, A.J. Price has moved into the backup role. Former starter T.J. Ford is out of the rotation for the time being."

I think a lot of people need to go back and make edits to the O'brien thread.

pianoman
01-03-2010, 01:46 AM
No, no they don't. We all know Obrien reads PD, and he listens to us! hahahaha

docpaul
01-03-2010, 01:49 AM
I Wanted to see what your guys thoughts were on TJ not playing tonight? Was there an injury? It says DNP COACH'S DECISION. I am fine with his minutes being cut, but to not play at all, makes you wonder. It was great in terms of the players that got minutes tonight, they played well and deserved to be on the floor. What are your thoughts on TJ not playing?

I think this is actually a pretty damn big deal, and might represent a turning point for the morale of the team.

I think the clear message that had been sent prior to the 2nd half of the Memphis game was: "regardless of the effort you put in, if you're getting starter's salary, you're going to be out on the court"... and there's nothing that's more demoralizing for the rooks then knowing that hard work isn't rewarded. I think DJones has been dead on with his comments, and they clearly center around Ford.

One potential development to look out for: benching TJ for the rest of the year, in the hopes that he'll forfeit his contract option year.

I think this is the beginning of the end of seeing complacent TJ. He'll either man up, or he'll be riding the pine. Likely won't be out on the court in his current form, though.

pwee31
01-03-2010, 01:54 AM
Hey we won the game, so I'm happy. Maybe he'll get his act together. As long as it's not another Tinsley situation and he gets sent home and becomes untradeable. I mean he does have a player option next year, that he'll be a fool not to pick up.

jeffg-body
01-03-2010, 02:33 AM
I think I am with the most in that I am hoping it was in preparation for a pending/upcoming trade.

Hicks
01-03-2010, 03:03 AM
I want to point out in fairness to TJ Ford that you could see him on the bench cheering. Even specifically for his current replacement, AJ Price, when he drilled a 3 pointer. Says a lot about his character.

Sookie
01-03-2010, 03:18 AM
I want to point out in fairness to TJ Ford that you could see him on the bench cheering. Even specifically for his current replacement, AJ Price, when he drilled a 3 pointer. Says a lot about his character.

That's the thing with Ford.

Like, he does seem like a good guy. I could see a possibility of complaining about playing time, but overall..seems like the qualities about the guy that are unlikeable, are mainly oncourt stuff. He's just either not a good fit for the team, or not a good player.

He seems to be good to the rookies specifically. But I've heard plenty of news reports say that the team gets along fine, but the oncourt Chemistry sucks.

Which is why, I really wouldn't like to see the guy Tinsley'd or treated like..many of the other idiots in this league. *I get the feeling arenas is next*...so a trade is preferable. Give him a chance..just..somewhere else.

pristinecollector
01-03-2010, 03:30 AM
I want to point out in fairness to TJ Ford that you could see him on the bench cheering. Even specifically for his current replacement, AJ Price, when he drilled a 3 pointer. Says a lot about his character.

You're absolutely right Hicks, he was cheering his team on even though he was sitting.

Another thing about TJ....I went to the Locker Room Restaurant with about 4 minutes left in the 4th quarter. TJ was in the tunnel signing autographs for about 5 kids, 10-11 year olds. I thought it was strange he was in the tunnel at this time. Maybe he had to use the restroom and on his way out the kids stopped him. Anyway, my wife asked why he wasn't playing. TJ looked at her and just said, "I don't know". I feel for the guy on a personal level because I think he's a good person.

CableKC
01-03-2010, 05:11 AM
Okay....I don't know about you....but if this continues where TJ is in street clothes or his minutes significantly cut ( which I doubt will last too much longer ).....I'm waiting for the inevitable "blow-up" by TJ to the media or rumors that he's not happy...wants a trade....blah-blah-blah. I don't get the impression that TJ is the type to stay quiet for too long if he's being benched/punished for some reason....legit or not.

Kaufman
01-03-2010, 08:00 AM
It would be some what foolish for him to say he wants a trade if he has limited trade value, don't you think?

Second of all, he's not going to forfeit the option on his contract - who else would pay him as much as we are?

Seems his only option, if he is unhappy - is to man up. Dahntay isn't the only person to call TJ Ford out, Jarrett Jack did it last year.

Sookie
01-03-2010, 12:05 PM
It would be some what foolish for him to say he wants a trade if he has limited trade value, don't you think?

Second of all, he's not going to forfeit the option on his contract - who else would pay him as much as we are?

Seems his only option, if he is unhappy - is to man up. Dahntay isn't the only person to call TJ Ford out, Jarrett Jack did it last year.

If he stays behind Watson and AJ in the lineup he might.

Money is obviously worth a lot of consideration. But guys who think they should be playing, get really really frustrated when they don't. If we don't play him, he might not want to sit on the bench for another year. If there was a team that would offer him 5 million, he might do it.

Ozwalt72
01-03-2010, 12:44 PM
There is the possibility that if the cap continues to drop that Ford would get better contract value THIS offseason than next. I don't think him picking up his option is as sure a bet as it seems.

d_c
01-03-2010, 02:30 PM
There is the possibility that if the cap continues to drop that Ford would get better contract value THIS offseason than next. I don't think him picking up his option is as sure a bet as it seems.

TJ Ford isn't leaving $8.5M on the table. It's not happening.

Who is going to offer him a long term deal to make him want to walk away from $8.5M? If no other team does, nobody is going to leave that money on the table in the name of playing time.

BRushWithDeath
01-03-2010, 02:31 PM
TJ Ford isn't leaving $8.5M on the table. It's not happening.

Who is going to offer him a long term deal to make him want to walk away from $8.5M? If no other team does, nobody is going to leave that money on the table in the name of playing time.

No chance.

El Pacero
01-03-2010, 02:39 PM
I want to point out in fairness to TJ Ford that you could see him on the bench cheering. Even specifically for his current replacement, AJ Price, when he drilled a 3 pointer. Says a lot about his character.

I was going to say the same thing. And I don't think I've ever admitted it here, but the beginning of last season I went to Bob's Cellular in Westfield to get TJ's autograph. I brought a blue Pacers ball and a fancy white marker for him to sign it with. Well he shakes the pen, the cap falls off, and drops of white ink spray all over him.... his hands, his arms, oh the agony. I thought I was going to die. He looked to make sure his designer jeans and shirt didn't get any ink, and then was pretty cool considering what had just happened. For some reason I stuck around, maybe to try to feel a little better about the situation, and ended up showing him PD on the computer he was on. He was a laid back, cool, nice guy - especially since I had just got ink all over him!

But I still want to trade him. We need to deal with this soon because he can be a pretty vocal guy on Twitter and elsewhere. We benched Tinsley because of his off court antics, it wouldn't be fair to TJ to do the same thing for the rest of the season. He would get playing time on a team that was a better fit for him . . . whoever that would be!

Ozwalt72
01-03-2010, 03:06 PM
TJ Ford isn't leaving $8.5M on the table. It's not happening.

Who is going to offer him a long term deal to make him want to walk away from $8.5M? If no other team does, nobody is going to leave that money on the table in the name of playing time.

But the way it is looking is that there will be significantly more money available next year vs the year after.

The kind of contract he would get next year is likely to be better than the one he would get the year after. There are teams that will miss out on the big tickets and have all this money left over to play around with. I'm not saying he is GOING to opt out. I'm saying that the "8.5" isn't quite "8.5"...SOMEONE would be willing to give him a contract for the MLE...and if that figure is ,say, 2 mil more over the life of the contract than it would be the next year... it wouldn't be inconceivable.

I still put it at about 10%, but if his seat on the bench is permanent he will think about it.

sportfireman
01-03-2010, 03:08 PM
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63788/20100103/ford_demoted_to_third_pg_in_indiana/



Pacers point guard T.J. Ford will be the team's third option behind Earl Watson and rookie A.J. Price until he proves to coach Jim O'Brien that he belongs in the rotation.

"It's a matter of playing the people you think give you the best opportunity to win," O'Brien said Saturday.

Prior to Indiana's win over Minnesota, they had lost eight consecutive games.

"We're trying to put perimeter guys on the court that can all space the court, and we think that A.J. has the capabilities of being a guy that can not only space the court but is very effective off of pick-and-rolls, and we like the way the offense moves when he's on the basketball court," O'Brien added.

hopefully troy's next and i know it will hurt their trade value..............but i think they need to be benched to give us a better chance of winning.

pwee31
01-03-2010, 03:12 PM
http://www.indycornrows.com/2010/1/3/1231412/ic-cold-links-ford-confused-after?ref=yahoo



T.J. Ford made it clear Saturday night that he isn't going to play the prima donna card after being benched during a win against the Timberwolves. Well, at least for now.

After receiving his first DNP-CD box score line for the first time in a year, Ford has officially dropped out of the playing rotation and is currently the No. 4 point guard for the Indiana Pacers behind Earl Watson, Luther Head and rookie A.J. Price. Head and Watson started as the team's backcourt Saturday as each totaled more than 34 minutes and they combined for 33 points, 15 assists and only three turnovers. Price added eight points and six dishes off the bench.

After the game, Ford told Mike Wells of the Indianapolis Star that he will accept his new role in a professional manner, but he doesn't understand what has prompted coach Jim O'Brien to keep his season-opening starter on the bench.

"I just have to stay professional. I have to come in and do what I need to do keep myself ready. At the end of the day it's a business, you have to just respect their decision and go from there. This is the first time that I've had to deal with a situation to this extent."

[On why he was benched] "I still don't know, I'm still in limbo. Do I plan on talking to (coach O'Brien) about it? No, not really. What's done is what's done. I'm here. If they decide to (trade me) it's not because of me, it's because they choose to. I'm not forcing anybody's hand. Just going to support the people that's playing the same way they supported me when I was playing. There's no salty feelings. It is what it is." -- T.J. Ford

I'm always fascinated by how players, particularly in the NBA, refuse to meet with their coach, when they've been benched, to find out what they can do to get back into the playing rotation. Ford didn't come out and attack the Pacers or O'Brien in his statement, but he shows that he's not comfortable enough with O'Brien to go directly to him for help, and he's also hurt enough by the benching that he's holding it against the coach.

Unfortunately, for Ford, his replacements are exciting to watch, playing well and helping their teammates find open shots in good positions on the court. None of that can describe how Ford has played up to this point in the 2009-10 campaign. It's easily his worst statistical season since his rookie year. He's averaging under 10 points per game, less than three assists below his career average, and he's made less free throws than Jonathan Bender (he's got four).

So check out tonight's game against Bender and the Knicks to see if Ford manages to make it into the game, but first click the jump for links to more stories about last night's

Sookie
01-03-2010, 03:19 PM
He doesn't understand why? Really?

......

Anthem
01-03-2010, 03:45 PM
He's averaging under 10 points per game, less than three assists below his career average, and he's made less free throws than Jonathan Bender (he's got four).
FEWER! He's made FEWER free throws than J. Bender!

count55
01-03-2010, 04:30 PM
FEWER! He's made FEWER free throws than J. Bender!

Well, he actually meant fewer THREE POINTERS, but you corrected the important part.

Anthem
01-03-2010, 05:37 PM
Well, he actually meant fewer THREE POINTERS, but you corrected the important part.
My very first publishing job had an exam at the interview... they gave you a half-page snippet of technical report and said "fix it."

I still remember the one thing that really got me: "There are four types of rock: igneous, metamorphic, and sedimentary." There were multiple spelling errors in the sentence and the grammar was terrible, which distracted me from the fact that the sentence itself was wrong.

Apparently I haven't grown as much as I'd like to believe. :D

BlueNGold
01-03-2010, 05:46 PM
I have to admit, he's saying the right things. You have to respect that. The best thing to do with him is play him off the bench depending on matchups. Sure, try to trade him but if he really has a decent attitude about it, no need to move him.

Thesterovic
01-03-2010, 05:47 PM
What did the interviewer say?

ksuttonjr76
01-03-2010, 08:28 PM
After tonight's game, they won't be able to blame him for the sloppy PG play though. Indiana is killed by the Knicks, and Hibbert is leading the team in assists.

Naptown_Seth
01-03-2010, 09:17 PM
I was surprised that with T.J. out (I assume he was inactive for whatever reason), A.J. Price could only see 14 minutes of floor time. I'm not complaining - because we won - but I found it to be rather odd.
Clearly you don't actively follow the team. ;)

Yes normally you see the starting PG go about 30 or so if he's not a serious star type, and then the backup go about 20 (or more if you go double PG at times), but this is Indy and that's not how we roll. It's not like they had a road game the next day or anything.


I agree that in no way do I think you need to s***can Ford here, he's not been some jerk as far as we know. I have no problem with him being used in limited time for now and I greatly prefer your actual PG being Watson and then Price. TJ can spell Luther Head as the combo guard scorer role at times.

Now if it's defensive effort and you are pretty certain it's remaining low or disinterested, then the guy does have to sit. It wouldn't be fair to the other players if he didn't.

But it is nice to see his fairly positive reaction to the situation. Refreshing really.


The team has role issues, and a lot of that comes from JOB himself, but they aren't winning period so none of these guys should even dare carry themselves above the others. They need to all remain supportive and try to push each other to get better.

Of course that implies that you can't just be jovial about a benching, you've got to show that you care and are working to undo that.

IndyPacer
01-04-2010, 09:44 AM
I'm hopeful that this 1. means TJ will be traded away and 2. AJ Price's development will be more rapid due to increased playing time.

Unclebuck
01-04-2010, 11:34 AM
he is almost getting the Tinsley treatment.

odeez
01-05-2010, 05:32 PM
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=14875')

I thought I would add this to the TJ not playing thread. I know we have a ESPN one going too. Thought it was interesting, his take on the situation.


Dealing With T.J.: The Indiana Pacers have decided to put T.J. Ford on the bench for the foreseeable future. The decision according to head coach Jim O'Brien was about putting a different look on the floor that includes rookie A.J. Price. O'Brien swears it has nothing to do with T.J. as a person, but there is little doubt that Ford truly doesn't fit O'Brien's system.

T.J. has never lived up to his mega money contract, despite being a very good guy who is extremely personable. T.J. is a ball-dominating guard and that's a bad fit in an "everyone touches the ball" offense.

Add Ford's $8.7 million contract this year, and player option for $8.7 million next, and the Pacers are likely stuck with another guard on the roster they simply have no plans to use.

Ford took the news of his benching in stride, saying he just had to be a professional about it and cheer on his team.

"I just have to stay professional," Ford said to Mike Wells of the Indianapolis Star. "I have to come in and do what I need to do keep myself ready. At the end of the day it's a business, you have to just respect their decision and go from there. This is the first time that I've had to deal with a situation to this extent."

"I still don't know, I'm still in limbo," he said. "Do I plan on talking to him about it? No, not really. What's done is what's done. I'm here. If they decide to (trade me) it's not because of me, it's because they choose to."

"I'm not forcing anybody's hand. Just going to support the people that's playing the same way they supported me when I was playing. There's no salty feelings. It is what it is."

HOOPSWORLD recently talked with T.J. about his situation and he admitted quite frankly that while the situation wasn't ideal from a losing point of view that he was not trying to force a trade. T.J. reminded that he understood all too clearly how the business worked. His exact words were: "If a trade happens, it's not because I was looking for it to happen."

Jim O'Brien made it clear that T.J. was being a real pro about the situation and that he's handled the news with poise.

"He responded like the man I know he is," Pacers coach Jim O'Brien said of Ford. "He said, 'Coach, I'll do whatever. You've got to make the decision, and I'll do whatever I need to do to make this a better basketball team.' I have the ultimate respect for him, and I really like T.J. a lot, but sometimes you have to make decisions that impact people you like."

Pacers' management has tried to move Ford in trade, but the fact that T.J.'s numbers (9.9 points per game and 3.6 assists) are off his career averages and he has dollars owed next year that makes for a tough combination to move.

The Pacers have been as active as anyone trying to find deals to improve their squad and you can bet that any deal the Pacers trigger before the trade deadline includes T.J. Ford, however the Pacers may have to put in some sweeteners if they really want to move him.

BillS
01-05-2010, 06:25 PM
he is almost getting the Tinsley treatment.

I do not think that means what you think it means.

Seriously, which Tinsley treatment are you talking about? If you are talking about his sophomore year in the league where he got shifted way down the rotation after starting, yeah, OK, but that wasn't JOB so how is it relevant? If you are talking about the most recent Tinsley situation, then being moved to the back of the rotation is nowhere near being told you aren't welcome in the arena.

Unclebuck
01-07-2010, 09:09 AM
BillS. I guess by the Tinsley treatment I meant benching him, although as you point out it isn't a good comparison. Just an offhanded comment by me.

On to a related topic. if you heard O'Brien's radio show last week you heard him raving about Watson's leadership and how he'll be an excellent coach someday. I think that is one huge reason why he's starting, plus I'm sensing there was a lot of unrest between Ford and some of his teammates. Reading between the lines on Wells latest article seems like some players didn't enjoy playing with Ford. So Watson and Price seem to be improving team chemistry

threein73
01-07-2010, 12:36 PM
Too bad we can't trade him for J. Jack.....

McKeyFan
01-07-2010, 12:36 PM
Anybody think Watson should be resigned for next year? I sure do.

duke dynamite
01-07-2010, 12:42 PM
Anybody think Watson should be resigned for next year? I sure do.
I was actually going to make a thread about that. Why not discuss it here? I fully agree, but I am not sure what that will make for AJ Price if Ford is still around by then.

Hitman02
01-07-2010, 12:43 PM
I'm curious, where do you guys think TJ will end up? What team could use a player like him?

Also, a little off topic but I'm really liking AJ Price. What happens if lightning strikes and we get John Wall in the draft? Maybe it's just me, but I really think AJ has a chance of starting someday.

count55
01-07-2010, 12:52 PM
Anybody think Watson should be resigned for next year? I sure do.

If he starts this season, and has success, then we'll lose him like we did with Jack. He's making $2.8mm this season, and unless we clear significant payroll for next year, I highly doubt we'd be in a position to offer him anything more than the vet min.

McKeyFan
01-07-2010, 12:57 PM
I was actually going to make a thread about that. Why not discuss it here? I fully agree, but I am not sure what that will make for AJ Price if Ford is still around by then.

You know, I'm tired of these prima donnas or whatever it is that makes JOS walk on tip toes so as not to offend the psyches of these precious little multimillionaires.

Watson being around and Ford being around are two different things. Apples and oranges. Watson doesn't pout. Watson is a future coach. Watson is great to have off the bench when you need him.

In terms of the development of AJ, you could argue that Watson would be more of a plus than a minus.

McKeyFan
01-07-2010, 12:59 PM
If he starts this season, and has success, then we'll lose him like we did with Jack. He's making $2.8mm this season, and unless we clear significant payroll for next year, I highly doubt we'd be in a position to offer him anything more than the vet min.

Crud.

Naptown_Seth
01-07-2010, 01:13 PM
I'm not a fan of Watson returning next year really. Not that I don't like having him start, but I think he shows his age at times, he certainly has his own troubles keeping guards in front of him, and doesn't always really have the outside shot going.

I'd just as soon get on with working up Price whom I think can put up very similar numbers to Watson even by next year. Now if you swap them as starter/bench and DON'T draft a PG, then okay.

But as Count said you might not get him back anyway, and if you have to pay him too much to return then he doesn't make sense as a backup.

There is a lot of risk here with the "better than the other guy" effect that makes us overlook some of the flaws. I'm pleased with Watson as a signing, I just don't want to make the mistake of overdoing it.

Unclebuck
01-07-2010, 01:38 PM
Depends if the Pacers decide Price is the answer as the back-up point guard. If he is, then the Pacers need to get their starting point guard and as much as I like Watson, he isn't it

Will Galen
01-07-2010, 01:57 PM
No use making a big deal out of this, ESPN's did it before. A couple weks ago they had one about Hans. Today one of their rumor headlines says this,


Rumors: T.J. Ford, packing up/shipping out (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors) http://a.espncdn.com/icons/in.gif


However when you go there it doesn't say anything about TJ going anywhere. It just rehashes him being demoted.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors
Will Ford ask for a trade?

T.J. Ford (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1979) has been demoted from a starter to the third-string point guard recently, but he won't ask for a trade.
"I've never requested a trade, and I won't request a trade," Ford told The Indianapolis Star (http://www.indystar.com/article/20100107/SPORTS04/1070432/1062/SPORTS04/Ford-remains-positive-despite-benching) Wednesday. "It's my job to come out and do what they pay me to do. Right now it's limited, but it doesn't stop me from continuing to improve myself and my game."
Ford is making $8.5 million this season and has a $8.5 million player option for next season, which he'll pick up.
"I think we could all do things different and better," Ford said. "Fortunately I think both parties hate that it came down to this. I think there's a better light at the end of tunnel. I think for me, it's keeping my spirits high, continue to smile. I just try to be the same person and not let these things affect me."
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gummy
01-07-2010, 02:24 PM
If he starts this season, and has success, then we'll lose him like we did with Jack. He's making $2.8mm this season, and unless we clear significant payroll for next year, I highly doubt we'd be in a position to offer him anything more than the vet min.

I'm tired of being on the one year leadership rental plan. Can we get a vocal leader on this team that isn't on a one year deal? Maybe DJones will be that when Earl is gone. :sigh:

McKeyFan
01-07-2010, 02:33 PM
He already is.

Sookie
01-07-2010, 02:34 PM
I'm curious, where do you guys think TJ will end up? What team could use a player like him?

Also, a little off topic but I'm really liking AJ Price. What happens if lightning strikes and we get John Wall in the draft? Maybe it's just me, but I really think AJ has a chance of starting someday.

I think Wall is like Evans, who was like Wade before him.

They can play the point, but are better suited for shooting guard.

But then Indiana makes a decision. Do you start Price/Wall or Wall/Rush.

Sookie
01-07-2010, 02:38 PM
I'm not a fan of Watson returning next year really. Not that I don't like having him start, but I think he shows his age at times, he certainly has his own troubles keeping guards in front of him, and doesn't always really have the outside shot going.

I'd just as soon get on with working up Price whom I think can put up very similar numbers to Watson even by next year. Now if you swap them as starter/bench and DON'T draft a PG, then okay.

But as Count said you might not get him back anyway, and if you have to pay him too much to return then he doesn't make sense as a backup.

There is a lot of risk here with the "better than the other guy" effect that makes us overlook some of the flaws. I'm pleased with Watson as a signing, I just don't want to make the mistake of overdoing it.

Now, I'm not sure that it'll continue..

But AJ has averaged about nine points and 3 assists and 3 rebounds in his 15 minutes of game time he's seen the last three games.

Earl's averaging a little more than 7 points, a little more than 3 rebounds and about 4 assists in 25+ minutes.

Quite frankly I think AJ could have better numbers than Earl THIS season.

sportfireman
01-07-2010, 03:04 PM
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63883/20100107/ford_wont_ask_for_trade_out_of_indiana/



T.J. Ford's is limited to play in practice because Jim O'Brien has no intention of playing him anytime soon. Ford hasn't played in the past three games, including the 43-point loss at New York on Sunday.

"I've come to grips with it," Ford said. "Initially, first hearing the news on game day (Saturday) was definitely tough. It was shocking. It's a business.

"I've been dealing with a lot of adversity throughout my professional career, so you just use this as an experience."

Ford won't ask for a trade, though the Pacers may attempt to move him.

"I've never requested a trade, and I won't request a trade," Ford said. "It's my job to come out and do what they pay me to do. Right now it's limited, but it doesn't stop me from continuing to improve myself and my game."

Naptown_Seth
01-07-2010, 03:09 PM
He already is.
Yep. If you go to games close enough to notice, Roy and DJones seem to be the most vocal, passionate guys out there. It's not that other guys don't care or aren't vocal, just that those 2 are the most vested in it.

DJ made a bad play the other night and slapped himself in the head a couple of times afterward. So he's "into it". ;)

Watson has a lot of that fire too though.