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Unclebuck
01-01-2010, 03:42 PM
from the years when the Pacers were really good.

Several things I really miss, but what I miss most of all --

I was thinking about this earlier today. How long has it been since the Pacers played a big game? I guess that is what I miss most. No game anymore is a big game and hasn't been since the '05. And no a game against the Lakers right now is not a big game. Playing an elite team might sem important, but for it to be a truly big game it has to be a big game for both teams. Afterall, the Lakers will probably coast for 3 or three and a half quarters and still win by 8 points. Lakers vs Celtics or Lakers vs Cavs is a big game.

Pacers used to play those type of games against the Knicks, against the Bulls, but that was a long time ago.

What do you miss most

pwee31
01-01-2010, 03:52 PM
Well wins of course, but I miss the buzz around the team. I miss the national coverage, and not having games on ABC, ESPN, TNT, etc. Buzz around town, or even friends and family talking about the team, players, or previous and upcoming games.

That's one thing that brought me to the Digest was that I could discuss the Pacers with others, b/c when you're losing, the average fair weather fans don't care.

I miss the coverage and interest in the team

Thesterovic
01-01-2010, 04:04 PM
I miss the arena full.

I miss Jamaal Tinsleys' rookie season. I thought he was something.

I miss when the fans weren't ashamed of them.

Peck
01-01-2010, 04:05 PM
Not being pushed around.

Not looking at every single front line and worrying about how bad we are going to be abused on the inside.

Defense that led to offense.

A point guard who was an absolute wizard with the ball.

Before that a point guard who wasn't as talented but played with the heart of a lion.

Toughness, not just from the powerforward position.

Reggie's big moments

90'sNBARocked
01-01-2010, 04:08 PM
I miss :

Being relevant in the NBA
The Davis duo
Reggie
MSA
The Shimmy
Hicks vs Knicks
Rivalry with Pistons
Team of real athletic basketball players
The swagger we had under Larry Brown and Bird coaching
Mentioning this phrase before a game "Gee the Pacers might win tonight"

joew8302
01-01-2010, 04:10 PM
I miss the atmosphere at MSA the most. Conseco is nice, but MSA was nuts.

bellisimo
01-01-2010, 04:11 PM
I miss the competiteness of the games...the hunt for the home court advantage in playoffs, the big games, the all or nothing last second efforts by Uncle Reggie, the ability to trash talk my friends and actually have the Pacers back me up by winning...

nowadays we're just walking in circles going nowhere....*sigh*

Thesterovic
01-01-2010, 04:16 PM
A coach, a fanbase, basketball players (not a bunch of bums), our old jerseys, and of course the rivalries.

count55
01-01-2010, 04:20 PM
I miss being sure that the Pacers were going to stay in Indy.

Kaufman
01-01-2010, 04:26 PM
i miss: cheering for a team that i like.

sweabs
01-01-2010, 04:32 PM
Some real good posters that have limited their posting or dropped off the map altogether.

Hicks
01-01-2010, 04:32 PM
I miss the big games, that's a good one. I hadn't thought about those in a long while, but now that I am I'm with you, UB, I really miss big games. I miss big games that were on TNT, ESPN, or ABC that meant something to people outside of central Indiana. I miss having players on our team that are part of the national discussion of the NBA as a league.

Staying on that tangent, I miss the playoffs for the same reason.

I miss finishes that had me noticing my heart beating in my chest.

I miss the pride associated with my team being good.

I miss the joy of having my team be one of the few that play (sometimes very) good basketball the majority of the time. That could be offensively, defensively, or both.

Kaufman
01-01-2010, 04:36 PM
Some real good posters that have limited their posting or dropped off the map altogether.

i've been a fan since 1990. the very first game i paid any attention to was game 5 of round one against the celtics when larry left the court and chuck shot the three from 40 feet away.

this is too painful to watch.

90'sNBARocked
01-01-2010, 04:38 PM
I miss being sure that the Pacers were going to stay in Indy.

Ouch, the million dollar question

Natston
01-01-2010, 04:47 PM
The same feelings I have now with the Colts...

The feeling that the team could win any game.
The feeling that the team could come back after a slow start.
The feeling that the team could blowout anyone even the best teams.
The feeling that the best player could take over at any point.
The feeling that the players could win a game at the end no matter what.

BlueNGold
01-01-2010, 05:05 PM
I miss the 90's. The team that rose from nothing to perennial contenders. Hopefully this year will start a better decade.

I miss the Knicks rivalry. We've not had a rivalry in years now. I barely even care anymore who wins.

I miss the way we operated on offense and the maturity of the 90's team. At times, watching Mark Jackson was like watching a surgeon. Watching TJ is like watching a miniature version of a cross between Jamaal Tinsley and Travis Best...picking up only the worst qualities of those two players.

I miss a SG that could shoot. Reggie Miller could always get an open look. Of course, that required an offensive scheme...which we no longer have either.

I miss having a real PG. A leader at that position. Tinsley had some interesting talent...but Mark Jackson was a leader and far better PG.

I miss the size and the length. It was nice having the tallest good player in the league and a 6'11" SF...to go with a shot blocking, tough guy at PF. ...and I miss having two Davis's. We could use one right now.

HOOPFANATIC
01-01-2010, 05:12 PM
I miss Jalen Rose (of course)... though he had the ugliest game of all time, he did have a winning attitude. My theory is if we had kept him at small forward, not made the trade, bought Rick back, we may have been back in contention.

acea22
01-01-2010, 05:34 PM
Kinda small..

I miss the back breaking three ball from the top of the key with 2 secs left on the shot clock

(Enter Players name) HOME RUN...TIMEOUT (enter oposing player)

acea22
01-01-2010, 05:37 PM
Also

I miss a team playing hard no matter what. I remember the weeks after the brawl, we had a team of NOBODYS(Tinsley, Fred Jones, Foster, etc) playing their hearts out. We didnt always win, but you were proud to root for a team like that.

Peck
01-01-2010, 05:38 PM
The FloJo's

duke dynamite
01-01-2010, 05:38 PM
I miss Jalen, too.

I miss the most was this state being proud of this team.

I miss having a hard time getting a ticket to a game.

I miss the fact that each game was just about as important as the next, with the intensity of a playoff game.

I miss Bowser...

I miss all the hype that surrounded Conseco Fieldhouse during the first two years. That place seems like a barren desert where basketball isn't fun to watch. More like where the next Metallica concert is being held.

I miss "Pacers Crazy". It still isn't a tip-off without that song.

I miss stuff like this:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c276/tlaurenzana/147331605WBjqrb_fs.jpg

esabyrn333
01-01-2010, 05:51 PM
Not being pushed around.

Not looking at every single front line and worrying about how bad we are going to be abused on the inside.

Defense that led to offense.

A point guard who was an absolute wizard with the ball.

Before that a point guard who wasn't as talented but played with the heart of a lion.

Toughness, not just from the powerforward position.

Reggie's big moments

Wow this just sums it up....Makes me miss the 90's

How about a PF that doesn't shoot 3's and takes pride in his post game

RamBo_Lamar
01-01-2010, 05:51 PM
I most miss being able to watch many of the away games on TV channel 4.

Los Angeles
01-01-2010, 05:57 PM
I miss caring.

PacerDude
01-01-2010, 06:00 PM
Times were that one could wear a Pacers shirt/jersey and get a random 'Yeah Pacers' or a thumbs up from a total stranger.

Duke ........... Bowser ?? WTF ??

Kaufman
01-01-2010, 06:04 PM
i also miss not being able to hold my head up high when i say that i am a pacers fan..... in the middle of new england.

duke dynamite
01-01-2010, 06:16 PM
Times were that one could wear a Pacers shirt/jersey and get a random 'Yeah Pacers' or a thumbs up from a total stranger.

Duke ........... Bowser ?? WTF ??
It's a Balcony thing...

idioteque
01-01-2010, 06:45 PM
Going to Conseco now is going to a game. Going to MSA in the 90's was going to an event.

I miss the jam packed arena. I miss being excited and wanting to watch every game. I miss the flo-jo's. I miss the Pacers getting national TV coverage rather than being one of the biggest afterthought franchises in professional sports. I tell people in Washington, D.C. that I am a Pacers fan and it takes them a second to remember that the Pacers are a basketball team in the NBA from Indiana.

But most of all, I miss Reggie. I miss Rik and Mark too.

CableKC
01-01-2010, 06:48 PM
I miss having confidence in this Team. It used to be that we had a fighting chance with this Team against any Team....we beat Teams we were supposed to beat....and had some chance of beating Teams that were considered Elite.

Now, I don't know whether we can pull off a win against any Team....whether they are Playoff or Lottery bound.

PacerDude
01-01-2010, 06:58 PM
It's a Balcony thing...Uh, yeah ........ OoooooooooooooooK.

duke dynamite
01-01-2010, 07:04 PM
Uh, yeah ........ OoooooooooooooooK.

I am sorry...

Alabama-Redneck
01-01-2010, 07:11 PM
I miss the old Pacers Digest where you could visit and receive a lot of really good basketball info and engage in some meaningful conversations instead of all of the current "hate" threads that seem to exist.

:cool:

quailman
01-01-2010, 07:16 PM
I grew up a Pacers fan because of watching Reggie in the playoffs. Obviously miss that.

Being the class of the East, debating whether or not they could win the Finals.

vnzla81
01-01-2010, 07:32 PM
I miss Reggie.......:(

Brad8888
01-01-2010, 07:39 PM
I miss pinstripes representing both class and excellence as well as a world class franchise in a sport besides baseball. To me, the move away from the pinstripes never felt right somehow, but in fact it must have actually been, because that is exactly when the Pacers stopped being the same franchise it had been for years prior to that.

I miss teeth rattling defense played by guys who left everything they had on the floor, and when they failed to do that, were called out for it by both players and coaches alike.

I miss a time when the phrase "In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!" actually meant something, even outside Indiana.

I miss fundamentally sound teams that had the ability to be explosive as needed, and clutch performances that came not just from Reggie but other guys at crucial times as well just enough times so that the opponents never 100% knew what play to think was coming or where it might come from.

Ultimately, I guess I miss the essence of the Pacers from the Reggie era, and fear we might not see that again.

How depressing...:cry: :cry: :cry:

Happy New Year? :sadbanana

Spirit
01-01-2010, 07:53 PM
The old style basketball. This "run up the court, shoot a three" offense is a pain to watch.

PaceBalls
01-01-2010, 08:29 PM
I miss seeing our team completely dominate every other team except the best of the best. When I used to watch the games, I wasn't hoping for a win, that was given. I was excited about how badly they were going to destroy whomever they faced.

dohman
01-01-2010, 08:34 PM
Not having to get laughed at when I say I am a pacers fan.

Kid Minneapolis
01-01-2010, 08:37 PM
I miss being a good defensive team... getting timely turnovers and stops when they needed it.
I miss having savvy/wily veterans who might not have been the most athletic, but they were extremely fundamentally sound, did their jobs, were smart, understood offensive flow, passed the ball well, knew when to pass and when to take the shot, knew how to draw fouls, and knew how to hit their foul shots almost automatically, and they shot from the field with much better form, more accuracy and consistency.

BlueNGold
01-01-2010, 10:33 PM
Not having to get laughed at when I say I am a pacers fan.

I still don't feel comfortable wearing the gear. Honestly, I feel like I'm wearing a leisure suit...;)

Seriously though, it's a lot easier to put the Purdue cap on these days...particularly since they are undefeated and just spanked the #6 team in the NCAA.

Hoop
01-01-2010, 11:16 PM
I miss being happy about going to watch my favorite team play.

I miss liking our coach.

I miss recognizing some type of actual game plan, style or substitution pattern.

I miss looking down the road and still being optimistic.

I miss being able to complain about incompetence without the complain police telling me how I should feel.

IndyHoosier
01-02-2010, 12:10 AM
I miss national articles about the Pacers like this one from a little over 10 years ago. We were 22-10, on a good run, 1st year in Conseco, getting ready to make it to the Finals, and the team was on the verge of being blown up by a coaching change and losing some key players. It's hard to believe this was a decade ago!



http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-27410647_ITM

Fighting age, uncertainty, Pacers may finally win it all.
The Sporting News| January 17, 2000 | D'Alessandro, Dave
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The hottest team in the league outside of El-Lay is a team with no future. Maybe that sounds melodramatic, but there's no kinder or gentler way to put it.

Even the Pacers themselves acknowledge this to be true.

But instead of feeling sorry for themselves, instead of fading quietly into the domain of has-beens, Indiana players seem to have adopted a don't-give-a-damn attitude.

It has resulted in a remarkable stretch of basketball: They came out of last weekend winners of 15 of their last 18, and no matter how long this trend continues, no matter how much space they put between themselves and the rest of the Eastern Conference, the Pacers know they cannot be taken seriously unless they continue to play through the distractions they are facing.

Start with age. Mark Jackson and Reggie Miller are 34-year-old free agents. Rik Smits is 33 and probably in his last season. Sam Perkins is 38. Even 30-year-old Dale Davis has asked to be traded if the team doesn't give him an extension. They are the club's nucleus, and team president Donnie Walsh has not committed to re-signing any of them.

That creates a great deal of uncertainty--even more than Larry Bird's lame-duck status. Yes, the Pacers are playing beautifully fight now. And it could lead to an NBA title, or it could lead to another postseason flameout, followed by a very emotional bust-up.

It keeps coming up, yet it has had no noticeable effect on the product Jackson, for one, continues to question why management hasn't rewarded its veterans for reaching the conference finals four limes in the last six years. Even if they plan to rebuild, the point guard said, they should do it gradually.

"If any team is considering rebuilding, you'd better throw in a mixture of good veterans to help facilitate the development of the young players while keeping the team competitive and worth the fans supporting," Jackson said. "I believe that the composition we have fight now is a good one.

"What better shooting guard to practice with and learn from than Reggie? Dale also can teach defense and rebounding, and I can share my backcourt knowledge, too. Sam Perkins, Chris Mullin and Derrick McKey--those veterans also have wisdom to offer."

Somehow, he overlooks the fact that these six would take up half the roster and roughly $30 million in cap space. It's not good business. Unless, of course, they finally win a title this year. Walsh can table these tough decisions for when that time comes, but until then, Jackson admits the players are disappointed they haven't all received contractual rewards. In fact, he has interpreted management's inaction as a tacit suggestion they're not expected to compete for a title this season.

"I think it's good what (Utah owner) Larry Miller did for Karl Malone, John Stockton and Jeff Hornacek," Jackson said. "He knows that Karl probably won't play out his new contract until he's 40 or olden But it was his way of rewarding loyalty and production. And I believe that when an organization does that, good things will happen to it."

Or, they'll be saddled with cap-busting, long-term deals that will curtail their rebuilding program for years and years.

Meanwhile, perhaps the Pacers should be satisfied that management doesn't want to tinker any further. Walsh, one of the sagest heads in the business, does not act impulsively. That Antonio Davis-Jonathan Bender deal last summer--still don't get it--was the most dramatic move he has made in his long and successful career.

And even though that move hasn't paid any dividends yet, Walsh and Bird merely have to point out that there has been just enough contribution from the younger group (Travis Best, Jalen Rose, Al Harrington and Austin Croshere) to give Indy a formidable mix. Enough to satisfy the coach, anyway.

"I don't feel a need to do anything," Bird said last week. "We're playing well."

Much of the Pacers' future is in Bird's hands, but he hasn't decided what he'll do next year. He admits the idea of directing basketball operations appeals to him on some days and not on others. He could pick his own successor. He could make his own decisions on the major free agents (Rose among them). As of now, that could be the only incentive the Pacers have to continue their run under a lame-duck coach.

A month ago, they were 7-7 and there was persistent doubt--even some debate--that Walsh's rebuilding hadn't taken a more radical form. Now, at 22-10 through Saturday, they're talking the talk again. They were two wins from The Finals last year, but in retrospect, we all learned they were a team built to defeat the Patrick Ewing Knicks. Against the Marcus Camby Knicks, they were hopelessly overmatched in terms of athleticism up front, and they didn't deserve the title shot, regardless of Jess Kersey's brainlock in Game 3.

Had they advanced past the Knicks, it was very possible the Pacers would have won the title, because they would have had some very favorable matchups and circumstances against San Antonio--plenty of big bodies to draw fouls on the Twin Towers, an overwhelming physical mismatch at point guard, a chance for Reggie to show his skill on the biggest stage of all and a matchup nightmare in Rose, to name a few.

The Pacers knew it. They still know it. Now it's all woulda, shoulda, coulda. Now they're not competing against the Knicks or Spurs. They're competing against a perception that their time has passed, and they've convinced themselves their own management is against them.

"As long as we continue to move the ball and play with effort, we have a chance to win the whole thing," Rose says. "The cream always rises to the top. We have guys who have been around and know what to do on a nightly basis. When the playoffs come we have as good a chance as anybody else."

Don't doubt it. Have you reviewed the teams in the East lately? If everything breaks fight, Walsh and Bird may have more difficult choices than they originally had thought.

TSN's Power Poll


Rk. Team W-L

1. LA. Lakers 29-5
2. Portland 25-8
3. Indiana 22-10
4. Utah 22-10
5. San Antonio 23-12
6 Miami 21-11
7. Seattle 20-13
8. New York 20-13
9. Sacramento 18-12
10. Phoenix 19-13
11. Toronto 18-14
12. Philadelphia 19-15
13. Charlotte 18-15
14. Detroit 18-15
15. Milwaukee 19-15
16. Minnesota 16-14
17. Denver 17-15
18. Orlando 16-18
19. Boston 14-18
20. New Jersey 13-20
21 Cleveland 14-19
22. Atlanta 12-21
23. Dallas 10-23
24. Houston 10-23
25. Washington 11-23
26. L.A. Clippers 10-22
27. Vancouver 8-24
28. Golden State 6-26
29. Chicago 5-26

Team Comment

LA. Lakers Kobe and Shaq are enough to fill up anyone. Who
needs that side of Rice?
Portland With all their stars, Blazers' player of the week
was Bonzi Wells.
Indiana Reggie is hitting on all cylinders, including
(gasp!) defense.
Utah Malone's elbows are finally starting to heat up.
So is the Jazz.
San Antonio Even with their struggles, the Spurs still can rely
on twin towers for wins.
Miami If team is looking for point guard insurance,
trouble could be looming.
Seattle Patterson is hustling again after a bit of pouting
and a trip to the bench.
New York Houston's asserting himself; Ewing seems to be
accepting his (small) role.
Sacramento Williams' recklessness is starting to catch up to
him at times.
Phoenix Hardaway's return should make an immediate impact.
Toronto Oakley's shot is falling, but Carter may be tiring.
Philadelphia Healthy Ratliff could be a pick-me-up. So can
Iverson, whenever he wants.
Charlotte Silas says it best: Contenders with Eddie,
mediocre without him.
Detroit Hill has turned into a machine, putting the team
on his back.
Milwaukee Traylor, Thomas for Ike Austin? Johnson isn't a
center, but neither is Ike.
Minnesota Now starting, Sealy is making the most of his
opportunity.
Denver Van Exel is very streaky, but when he's on, lookout.
Orlando Crashing back to earth as defensive specialist
Armstrong struggles on D.
Boston Pitino abandons full-court pressure for man-to-man
... Celts lose to Bulls.
New Jersey Just when they learn how to win again, Nets hear
Williams may not return.
Cleveland Can anyone explain Sura's resurgence?
Atlanta If this keeps up, Wilkens may want to keep the
"flu."
Dallas Even Mailman haters would root for him in a
steel-cage match with Nellie.
Houston The talent seems to be in place to win games--it's
just not happening.
Washington Team isn't as bad as two losses to Bulls would
indicate. But it's close.
L.A. Clippers Taylor rips Olowokandi, but Mo could be the one on
his way out.
Vancouver Dickerson is becoming a first-rate scorer; Bibby
is getting him the ball.
Golden State Reality: The Warriors aren't that good, regardless
of who's coaching them.
Chicago Playing the Wizards can increase anyone's
confidence.
Through last Saturday's games. TSN's Power Poll is determined by TSN editors. Comments by Stephen Siegel.

RELATED ARTICLE: inside dish

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Dave D'Alessandro covers the NBA for the Newark (N.J.) Star-Ledger. E-mail him at daved@sportingnews.com.

jeffg-body
01-02-2010, 12:17 AM
I miss being able to rub it in my childhood friend's faces that I am still a Pacer's fan good or bad.

cdash
01-02-2010, 12:56 AM
Winning.

Antonio
01-03-2010, 06:14 AM
The yellow paint :(