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90'sNBARocked
12-31-2009, 01:32 PM
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Player of the Decade: O'Neal. Though Granger is far more popular and almost certainly will wind up with more prolific career numbers, you simply cannot overlook O'Neal's productivity. From 2000-08, he averaged 18.6 points, 9.6 rebounds and 2.42 blocked shots and was a six-time All-Star. Of course, the number many will remember is the 122 games he missed in his final four seasons. But before he started breaking down, J.O. was one of the best.

I tend to agree with that although one could say Jalen Rose or Reggie Miller


All-Decade Lineup: O'Neal at power forward and Granger at small forward are no-brainers. So is Reggie Miller at shooting guard. Even though he was winding down his great career in his final five seasons, the old lion could still roar. Jeff Foster gets the nod at center because of his selfless service and underrated productivity. [B]And at point guard, there really is no option other than Jamaal Tinsley.

Still rings true today!! :censored::censored:

Speed
12-31-2009, 01:45 PM
Just makes me realize the Pacers have really not had a Point Guard since Mark Jackson.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a more PG deprived franchise in NBA History.

Vern Fleming
Mark Jackson

Thats it. Really amazing.

Hicks
12-31-2009, 01:48 PM
Decade of transition. Just contemplating that phrase makes me dizzy and sad. Decade. 10. Freaking. Years.

Ugh

Unclebuck
12-31-2009, 01:51 PM
Just makes me realize the Pacers have really not had a Point Guard since Mark Jackson.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a more PG deprived franchise in NBA History.

Vern Fleming
Mark Jackson

Thats it. Really amazing.

You are forgetting the player who finished a good portion of the close games during the 1998 - 2000 era. (I always really liked him and didn't ever look at message boards until after the 2000 Finals and was absolutely shocked that so many didn't like the guy) I'm afraid to even post his name for fear I might be dragged from my office and taken away to never be seen from again.

Speed
12-31-2009, 02:03 PM
You are forgetting the player who finished a good portion of the close games during the 1998 - 2000 era. (I always really liked him and didn't ever look at message boards until after the 2000 Finals and was absolutely shocked that so many didn't like the guy) I'm afraid to even post his name for fear I might be dragged from my office and taken away to never be seen from again.

Oops, I should have remembered him in talking about the Best point guards.

That shot from the corner against Milwaukee in the playoffs was assasin-like.

theboyjwo
12-31-2009, 02:19 PM
How could the trade of the decade not be the one that sen Jalen Rose and AD to the bulls for Brad Miller and Ron Artest? That trade set the stage for that season best 61 wins. Established us as the new "Bad Boys" of the east.

Best free agent signing would have be Steven Jackson. That guy has been one of the best 2way players in the league. The the results the warriors had after we traded him is proof of his quality.

This why I don't like Bruno, you know he isn't going to mention the black sheep players because he works for the team. How can Anthony Johnson, the back up PG be the best Free agent signing?

Peck
12-31-2009, 02:22 PM
How could the trade of the decade not be the one that sen Jalen Rose and AD to the bulls for Brad Miller and Ron Artest? That trade set the stage for that season best 61 wins. Established us as the new "Bad Boys" of the east.

Best free agent signing would have be Steven Jackson. That guy has been one of the best 2way players in the league. The the results the warriors had after we traded him is proof of his quality.

This why I don't like Bruno, you know he isn't going to mention the black sheep players because he works for the team. How can Anthony Johnson, the back up PG be the best Free agent signing?

Could it be because Jackson was traded to Indiana for Al Harrington?

theboyjwo
12-31-2009, 02:24 PM
I stand corrected.

count55
12-31-2009, 02:26 PM
Well, and it was Jalen Rose and Travis Best to Chicago.

AD had been traded for Bender, then Toronto later traded him to Chicago for Jalen Rose (among others).

Los Angeles
12-31-2009, 02:27 PM
Decade of transition. Just contemplating that phrase makes me dizzy and sad. Decade. 10. Freaking. Years.

Ugh

We've only been on the downswing since the brawl. That's 5 years. OR you can say that we've only been on the street so to speak for 3 years.

The first half of the 00's had a LOT of good basketball no matter how you feel about Coach Thomas, Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson, Jamaal Tinsley or finally the Nice Guys That Finish Last.

Speed
12-31-2009, 02:27 PM
Best trade, on paper, was easily Dale for JO.

JO wasn't even a rotation guy in Portland went on to be a multi all star for Indy.

Free Agents shouldn't even have been a category. They have never gotten any Free Agents that were significant, to me.

count55
12-31-2009, 02:27 PM
AD was to the Raptors for the #5 pick, Bender.

Miller/Artest was for Jalen and I think T Best and maybe Mercer?

Mercer came over with Miller & Artest, as did Kevin Ollie.

idioteque
12-31-2009, 02:28 PM
"Decade of Transition" is just a nice way to say decade of ****.

A very frustrating ECF against Detroit that I really thought we were going to win (Rasheed to Detroit was one of the most brilliant trades of the decade), the brawl, and Reggie retiring. That's how I'll remember this decade. Bleh. There were a few good moments, sure, but not too many.

Going into this decade my hope was that the Pacers would show that the mid to late 90's was not just a flash in the pan, and that we were here to stay as one of the NBA's premier franchises. Mission not accomplished.

Tom White
12-31-2009, 02:29 PM
Oops, I should have remembered him in talking about the Best point guards.

That shot from the corner against Milwaukee in the playoffs was assasin-like.

Had he not gone 1-15 (or close) prior to that shot, it would not have been needed.

Tom White
12-31-2009, 02:30 PM
Could it be because Jackson was traded to Indiana for Al Harrington?

...and that since then the Warriors have moved him on.

Speed
12-31-2009, 02:31 PM
Had he not gone 1-15 (or close) prior to that shot, it would not have been needed.

Lol, this is not a conversation that I have the energy to have. :) Cheers.

90'sNBARocked
12-31-2009, 02:39 PM
Decade of transition. Just contemplating that phrase makes me dizzy and sad. Decade. 10. Freaking. Years.

Ugh

SO that means you were 15 when the Pacers began the current century

Man,poor guy , you have had to row watching these Pacers dilute the talent level

Still have eternal optimism though :)

Squirrelz
12-31-2009, 02:47 PM
How could the trade of the decade not be the one that sen Jalen Rose and AD to the bulls for Brad Miller and Ron Artest? That trade set the stage for that season best 61 wins. Established us as the new "Bad Boys" of the east.

Best free agent signing would have be Steven Jackson. That guy has been one of the best 2way players in the league. The the results the warriors had after we traded him is proof of his quality.

This why I don't like Bruno, you know he isn't going to mention the black sheep players because he works for the team. How can Anthony Johnson, the back up PG be the best Free agent signing?

AD was traded nearly 3 years prior for Bender's rights... It was Travis Best you're thinking of...

Anyways.

I am not a fan of this last 10 years being called a "Decade of Transition", as if it's some sort of slap in the face. 10 years ago this team was in the finals, nearly on top of the world. 5 years ago this team was a perennial playoff LOCK. We had one of the best playoff streaks going for years. These last 5 years, however, have definitely been a "half-decade" of transition... To say the least, really.

Besides stating the obvious, I think it's ridiculous to class the entire decade as one of transition. I mean, doesn't every NBA team go through transition over the course of a decade? It's redundant to even say that for any team outside of maybe two teams..

Look back,

99-00 - Peak of the Pacers as a franchise...
00-01 - Transition? Most definitely...
01-02 - Finding another identity after going through somewhat of an overhaul, especially after the all-star break bringing in Artest, Miller, Mercer, etc...
02-03 - Becoming a power in the East.
03-04 - Best record in the league, injuries hurt them in the playoffs. The could have won it all.
04-05 - Favorites for the championship, then we all know what happened next...
05-06 - Turmoil and injuries hit this team, reality set in. Artest wants a trade. Peja comes in, we're a playoff dud.
06-07 - We bring Al Harrington back to town, maybe he can bring us "back" as far as top teams go... January comes, we're underperforming, and we make the trade for Murphy and Dun. This is the year Danny begins to break out. We end up having a terrible record to finish the year, we miss the playoffs for the first time in years.

We all know it's been transition since then, but we had a great run at being a top player in the playoffs every year.

Every franchise goes through a transition. To throw this whole decade out is a slap in the face. Reggie had a fun little playoff series in 02, one of my all time favorites, JO is an all decade player for the conference IMO, 6x all star, 20/10 lock... You can't disregard that.

It was a decade of faces, I can say that. From Reggie + Jalen, to JO + Artest, to Danny + Dunleavy, to Harrington + Jax... We've seen Tim Hardaway, Kenny Anderson, Darrell Armstrong, even Michael Curry. Traded for Eddie Jones and Danny Ferry, though they never played for us.

I'm rambling on right now, but this has been a fruitful decade, and we've been lucky to have this team. A decade of transition... Pssh, who's wasn't?

PaceBalls
12-31-2009, 05:15 PM
Good post Squirrelz..

I too think this decade of basketball was pretty good when viewed as a whole, that 03 team was amazing, even if people don't like the players, they were a damn fine basketball team. I would say the best defensive team since the ABA days. I miss watching games like that where our team was so dominant and could shut down other teams offense for whole quarters. The caveat is that is the team which brought about the situation we are in now.

It is just hard to be positive right now when looking back. We are ending the decade not having gotten better or maintained the expected level of Indiana basketball, but being at the low point in the last 20+ years. We are ending this decade with a whimper on an eight game losing streak :(

happy new year :p

gummy
12-31-2009, 05:30 PM
Technically speaking the decade isn't over until December 31, 2010.

A decade is a grouping of every 10 years. There is no year 0 in the Gregorian calendar that most of us use in the Western world. We went from 1 BC/BCE to 1AD/CE

Thus the very first AD/CE decade was:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10

The second decade was years:
11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20

If you've got that down we can skip ahead a couple thousand years to the current decade:
2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010.

I know, I know - that was so obnoxious, and most people have no idea, but it's still a fact! So we've got a whole year to really make our mark on this decade. ;)

Happy New Year!

PaceBalls
12-31-2009, 05:33 PM
Technically speaking the decade isn't over until December 31, 2010.

A decade is a grouping of every 10 years. There is no year 0 in the Gregorian calendar that most of us use in the Western world. We went from 1 BC/BCE to 1AD/CE

Thus the very first AD/CE decade was:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10

The second decade was years:
11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20

If you've got that down we can skip ahead a couple thousand years to the current decade:

2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010.

I know, that was so obnoxious. But also true. So we've got a whole year to really make our mark on this decade. ;)

Happy New Year!

lol...
well, the rest of the world is calling it the end of the decade, even if they are all technically mistaken. But that does give us a 2nd chance to end the decade on a good note next year I suppose.

Hicks
12-31-2009, 05:35 PM
I like it better the wrong way.

gummy
12-31-2009, 05:36 PM
lol...
well, the rest of the world is calling it the end of the decade, even if they are all technically mistaken.

I know, just playing the role of factual contrarian today. :happydanc

Los Angeles
12-31-2009, 06:16 PM
I know, just playing the role of factual contrarian today. :happydanc

The first "decade" was only nine years long. All the others have been correct.

gummy
12-31-2009, 07:14 PM
The first "decade" was only nine years long. All the others have been correct.

Ummm, sure. Why not. Not technically accurate, but if that's what floats your year counting boat. ;)

cinotimz
12-31-2009, 10:13 PM
I think if I had to pick 5 guys to start from this decade I would go with a lineup of Reggie, Jalen, RonRon, Danny and JO and take my chances.

Only thing that scares me a bit about that is the guy who invented the 'Quick' might agree and thats just plain terrifying...

ChicagoJ
01-01-2010, 11:37 AM
Just makes me realize the Pacers have really not had a Point Guard since Mark Jackson.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a more PG deprived franchise in NBA History.

Vern Fleming
Mark Jackson

Thats it. Really amazing.

Micheal Williams would like to have some words with you.

ChicagoJ
01-01-2010, 11:41 AM
How could the trade of the decade not be the one that sen Jalen Rose and AD to the bulls for Brad Miller and Ron Artest? That trade set the stage for that season best 61 wins. Established us as the new "Bad Boys" of the east.

Chicago fleeced us on that trade. That was the beginning of the decline. Sure, it went uphill first, but they were more than delighted to trade Ron within the division, and that should tell you all you need to know.

Best trade of the decade was definitely Ron for Peja. Because we got a short term rental and salary relief from the player who worked the hardest to make this decade a nightmare for Pacers fans.

And the worst GM decision was to pass on Ron-for-Brent-Barry when Rick initially wanted to trade Ron (during their first training camp together.) That would have saved us a lot of heartbreak.

Bball
01-01-2010, 11:53 AM
In hindsight I would've traded JO back for Dale at any point.

Brad8888
01-01-2010, 12:09 PM
I think it sums things up nicely that our final 30 point performance during that decade was Luther Head in a loss to Memphis. It represents the injuries and other problems we have faced pretty succinctly in that he hasn't played that much since we picked him up cheap in the off season and that this truly is the bottom that we have seen so far.