Announcement

Collapse

The Rules of Pacers Digest

Hello everyone,

Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
See more
See less

Quick thoughts about the loss to the Grizz.

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Quick thoughts about the loss to the Grizz.

    This will probably be fairly brief tonight.

    I hate losing, there are no moral victories and at the end of the day we are now on an 8 game losing streak.

    Now having said that I want to say that I am fairly satisfied with the game. I am pretty happy with both the coaching and the effort from the players tonight.

    Let's be honest here 4 games in 5 nights is hard on a healthy club but when you add injury and illness to the mix it is no wonder that we lost.

    However this was not a tank job and even though we never really were in it, we never really got put out of it either till very late in the game and from a fans point of view that is about all I can ask when we are both short staffed and honestly missing our best player.

    It's not an excuse btw; it just is an honest assessment of what occurred.

    I am very happy that JOB took the steps tonight to limit the time on the court by certain players. If for no other reason we got to take a look at some of the younger guys just to see what they can do.

    Let's be honest with ourselves here for a min. None of the young fella's are going to break out into 1st team all-stars but we need to know if going forward next season if they can contribute. I know practice is one way for coach's to know this but there is nothing like real game experience and not in garbage time to see what you can do.

    A.J. Price is very interesting to me. Like I say all of the time I do not watch college ball so I had no idea who he was or what he did until he came here and frankly to begin with I read more about his Police blotter than scouting reports.

    But there is something there. This kid does not play like a low second round draft pick, he plays like he belongs and he is not bashful or shy about shooting the ball or leading a play.

    In other words for lack of a better term he has some swagger to him. Not in a bad cocky way but in a "I'm confident and you aren't going to get in my way" kind of way.

    I don't know if he is going to turn out to be something or not but right now I will say that it would not surprise me one bit to think that he might actually be a starting caliber point guard. If that is the case, then jackpot for Bird.

    BTW, I'm not saying he will be I am just saying with what I have seen I wouldn't be surprised.

    He has already made Travis Diener obsolete.

    Roy Hibbert just once again proved that given the ability to work with a mobile athletic power forward that he can be a force. His defense still is rough but notice how he did not look as bad tonight? Double double off of the bench, which btw Bird really should not let happen, I know you don't want to step on a coach's toes and all but in this case he needs to be told Roy needs to play. Roy does not need to play for future development, although that is also a side benefit; he needs to play because he is our best center right now.

    Josh McRoberts ultimately had a very good game as well. He had a few min. in the first half where I was starting to worry that he was going to pretend to be Brandon Rush and hide in the bushes. But by the end of the 2nd quarter he started to work up a sweat.

    Believe me I was relieved that he had a good, but not great game. The reason I say that is because a good middle of the road game makes it so that everyone can have their pound of flesh but nobody will be 100% correct.

    Nobody can claim that Josh should be bumped up to starter and nobody can just blow off the Chicago game as a fluke

    I think for those of us who want Josh to do well we can look at this and say "there is something there worth looking further at".

    My boy Seth has been jocking McBob up for me so I will let him do the honors again tonight but I do want to add one thing to the discussion about him.

    This guy really is one hell of a passer for a forward. I'm not talking about just good awareness and getting to his man. I am talking about crisp hard passes that hit his man in scoring positions. Hell Mark Jackson would have been proud of a couple of his passes.

    One last thing before I move on and yes I know once again I am beating the Troy and Jeff dead horse again but I have to say it.

    This season is lost, at least in the aspect of being playoff contenders. So with that in mind it is time to see both of them a little less and Josh and Solomon a little more. We need to go forward knowing if there is anything there at all.

    I was very concerned about Josh this summer because when I saw him in the pre-season he did not look like his offense had progressed at all. However the past two games have given me a glimmer of hope.

    But let's see how he does once team scout him a little more. That is if he continues to get playing time, we'll see.

    Luther Head, how this guy got DNP-CD's to begin the season with is beyond me. How he could not get anything but a partially guaranteed contract in the NBA is also a mystery to me. Look I realize that he is going to be a journeyman player for his career unless he hooks in the right place. But right now this guy is our best shooting guard, that actually says more about our club than it does him but still you have to give him some credit.

    I don't want to look at to many negatives tonight but there is something really wrong with Dunleavy. He doesn't have his legs for sure, so why then do we continue to start him when we are having trouble getting big deficits to begin the game you might ask? Well I don't know is the answer I will give you.

    But right now I am beginning to think there is something else wrong as well. I was more than willing to write it all off to conditioning but right now I'm not sure that is all of it. It could be the knee is acting up or it could be he hit a mental wall as well as a physical one or it could be something else. It would not offend me if we told Mike to take a couple of games off to see if maybe he could rest and get some energy back because I still believe that this is most of his issue.

    BTW, it is obvious from watching the post game show that Mike Connelly grew up a Pacer fan. Said he loved playing at home here and glad to play well in front of family and friends but he was sorry it had to be against the Pacers. The funny thing is from the way he said that I actually believe him.

    Nice to see Rip Van Rush awaken from his 20 game nap and join us for a ball game. Hell he even had a couple of hustle plays that saved the ball to us, one of which lead to an easy basket. I figure we should be in for another game like this sometime in March from him.

    Also I know that there are a lot of people who do not like Zach Randolph and I have heard that he is NOT a nice person from people who knew him up north. But it is kind of nice to see him start to actually get his career together and be a part of a team and not just some troubled gun for hire.

    As to Jamaal. I'm over it, I never really held Jamaal to the contempt that I did J.O. or Ron. Sure I turned on him about 3 years into him being here but it had to do with him missing so many games. Then as his career went on here he added the off court stuff and then he started to play bad.

    But I do remember when he was a rookie and I thought he was great. So overall I guess I just don't care. I'm glad to see he has made a home for himself.

    2009 will go down as one of the worse years in Pacers history, not the worst but certainly one of them. I know we won't start 2010 off well but let's hope by the time we get to the latter part of the 10 we will start to see light at the end of the tunnel.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

  • #2
    Re: Quick thoughts about the loss to the Grizz.

    Even in his college days McRoberts was looked at as a PG stuck in a big mans body. I dont know much about his game so I am not going to pretend I do and copy / paste stuff from somewhere but if he can make jumpers and slash to the basket he could be a very nice point forward.

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: Quick thoughts about the loss to the Grizz.

      I don't really care if Hibbert starts or not. More importantly he needs to get around the 30 minute mark he hit last night.

      TJ and Dun to the bench ASAP, please. The former permanently for all I care and the latter at least until whatever the issue gets resolved. I'd trade TJ for a bag of Fritos right now if possible. I just think having him out of the picture, which allows AJ to take over as the backup POINT GUARD, would get the rook much needed experience and time to assess his prospects. In addition, his attitude bring a welcome change.

      Now if we can just coerce OB into limiting Murphy's play somewhat.
      I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

      -Emiliano Zapata

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: Quick thoughts about the loss to the Grizz.

        Until Tyler and Hibbert are playing the majority of the minutes together I will be non stop calling for a coaching change. I realize Tyler was out and Jim had a limited roster to work with tonight, but you can bet your a** that it would've been Murph and Soloman Jones out there if he could do it. That or Murph and Hibbert... Murph and Foster, Murph and whoever else, and all of that else are horrible fits with Murph.

        There are other things about Jim that I do not like, but my dislike would be much less if we could just have Hibbert and Tyler at C and PF as our starters, finishers and playing the bulk of the mins. And have Murph be our 4th stringer, behind Soloman Jones.

        About tonights matchups, DJones on Randolph? uhhg.. McBob played solid, I am glad he is getting some time, he should be the first big off the bench. Unfortunately that is about to change as soon as Murph the Matador comes back.

        TJ is just so awful right now, he is playing so casual, brickin layups nonstop.. if there is anyone that quit on the team he is the only one I see.

        Dun is struggling too, and whenever he starts to dribble I cringe anymore, it is a guaranteed turnover. I think he is just hurting, I hope his knee isn't giving him probs. But he is night and day from how he played his first 2 weeks back.

        Jim needs to completely reevaluate his whole strategy and lineups and start from scratch.

        We need to have an inside outside game going with Hibbert as the focal point.

        We need to have AJ and Earl playing all the mins at PG, let TJ take AJs bench spot and come in when there is 30 seconds left in blowouts.

        Murph needs to be only playing spot minutes when matchups are favoreable, I am ok with him coming in the game behind McBob Foster and SJones

        Dunleavy needs to be playing spot minutes too, until he is 100%, because he is not, and he is hurting the club when he is out there because of it.

        I want to see Brandon Djones and Luther covering the minutes at our 2/3 until Danny is back and Jr is ready to go . We would have a much better team and maybe actually win 1 out of every 4 games.
        Last edited by PaceBalls; 12-31-2009, 08:34 AM.

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: Quick thoughts about the loss to the Grizz.

          Originally posted by Peck View Post
          This will probably be fairly brief tonight.


          Good post though.
          This space for rent.

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: Quick thoughts about the loss to the Grizz.

            The "sad" thing is that almost everyone in this forum is so focused on Jim O'Brien a lot of really important issues have not been addressed. Issues that Mike Wells has been mentioning all season long about player chemistry. Not sure exactly what to make of it yet, but in his blog he discusses it a little. I wish Wells would just tell Kravitz exactly what is going on so we would know too.

            Last year's chemistry was great and that IMO is evidenced by how hard the team played last season - this year it is obviously not good. the question is why??

            http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsi...n_sends_a.html

            Posted by Mike Wells

            I've said it in the past and I'll continue to say it, this is a bad mix of players for the Pacers.

            Their team chemistry is out of whack, but it's going to be difficult for them to pull off a trade.

            Swingman Dahntay Jones reiterated what he said late last week and in Miami earlier this week about the state of the team.

            "We have to assess ourselves and be honest," he said. "Certain people are not fighting as hard as others. We have to find a way to bring it every night."

            Jones didn't go into details on who he was talking about.

            The pieces continue to fall apart for the Pacers.

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: Quick thoughts about the loss to the Grizz.

              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
              The "sad" thing is that almost everyone in this forum is so focused on Jim O'Brien a lot of really important issues have not been addressed. Issues that Mike Wells has been mentioning all season long about player chemistry. Not sure exactly what to make of it yet, but in his blog he discusses it a little. I wish Wells would just tell Kravitz exactly what is going on so we would know too.

              Last year's chemistry was great and that IMO is evidenced by how hard the team played last season - this year it is obviously not good. the question is why??

              http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsi...n_sends_a.html

              Posted by Mike Wells

              I've said it in the past and I'll continue to say it, this is a bad mix of players for the Pacers.

              Their team chemistry is out of whack, but it's going to be difficult for them to pull off a trade.

              Swingman Dahntay Jones reiterated what he said late last week and in Miami earlier this week about the state of the team.

              "We have to assess ourselves and be honest," he said. "Certain people are not fighting as hard as others. We have to find a way to bring it every night."

              Jones didn't go into details on who he was talking about.

              The pieces continue to fall apart for the Pacers.
              Dahntay Jones reminds me a lot of Anthony Johnson.

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: Quick thoughts about the loss to the Grizz.

                That is an interesting question isn't it? Maybe some of the vets resent some of the younger guys stepping in and trying to be leaders on a rudderless ship. Sometimes I pick up that vibe. Seems like early in the year D Jones was very vocal and demonstrative on the floor, what about now?
                http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: Quick thoughts about the loss to the Grizz.

                  Originally posted by count55 View Post
                  Dahntay Jones reminds me a lot of Anthony Johnson.
                  He does seem like a dominant personality, and I think he tries to be a leader. But maybe his teammates don't respect him enough to be a leader. I don't know.

                  Who we lose from last season - Rasho, Jack, Daniels, Baston, Graham and they were replaced by D. Jones, S. Jones, Watson, Hansbrough, Head, Price.

                  I think the most significant change was D. Jones replacing Jack at least as far as leadership and heart and soul type players.

                  Although I think to "blame" Jones seems really unfair to him.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: Quick thoughts about the loss to the Grizz.

                    Originally posted by Mike Wells
                    Their team chemistry is out of whack.
                    Originally posted by Dahntay Jones
                    "Certain people are not fighting as hard as others. We have to find a way to bring it every night."
                    Originally posted by UncleBuck
                    Last year's chemistry was great and that IMO is evidenced by how hard the team played last season - this year it is obviously not good. the question is why??
                    Originally posted by Count55
                    Dahntay Jones reminds me a lot of Anthony Johnson.

                    Is there a best way or a usual way of solving team chemistry issues? Are there even case studies of team that solved such issues -- with details about what they did to solve them?

                    We all know fictional moments. In Remember the Titans, Denzel Washington takes his players to Gettysburg, PA and makes a rousing speech. Norman Dale wins his Huskers team back by kicking the fathers out of practice and talking directly to the players. But do inspiring speeches like that actually work? Ever?

                    Locker room insiders always use the all-inclusive pronoun "we" or the vague "certain people." Does there ever come a time when it would be the right thing to do to come out and say (even more specifically than AJ did and Dahntay is doing) that TJ is the problem, or that Dunleavy is the problem, or that the offense is the problem?
                    Last edited by Putnam; 12-31-2009, 09:38 AM.
                    And I won't be here to see the day
                    It all dries up and blows away
                    I'd hang around just to see
                    But they never had much use for me
                    In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Re: Quick thoughts about the loss to the Grizz.

                      D Jones is always a guy standing and cheering good plays, when he is on the bench or at least it looks like this on TV. Can anyone at the game confirm?

                      I always think this is a sign of a guy who is not part of the problem. He also seems to freely to talk to guys during dead balls, so it leaves me with the impression that he's actively engaged.

                      Other guys, I am starting to see that it looks like they are phoning it in, but sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between playing bad/being down on themselves/tired of losing and being a problem.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Re: Quick thoughts about the loss to the Grizz.

                        Originally posted by DaveP63 View Post
                        That is an interesting question isn't it? Maybe some of the vets resent some of the younger guys stepping in and trying to be leaders on a rudderless ship. Sometimes I pick up that vibe. Seems like early in the year D Jones was very vocal and demonstrative on the floor, what about now?
                        Isn't that a big part of being a coach as well? Keeping the vibe proper? Backing up the leaders as they emerge? Yes, DJones is not the same player he was, he asserted himself on the court at the start of the season and it seems he got shut down for it. In all this travesty of a season Dahntay seems the biggest casualty to me so far. Here comes this hardnose player, taking control of the team only to be stifled with no one having his back. At least that was it looks like. What a mess. I am certain there is some serious tension in the lockerroom between the players who take losing hard and those who are just living the dream... how can there not be? Again it comes back to the coach for not backing up the right players, but coddling his favorites.

                        bah I'm just getting pissed off about it, gonna stop now.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Re: Quick thoughts about the loss to the Grizz.

                          It's probably culture shock, coming from a team with the likes of Carmelo, Kenyon Martin, Birdman, JR Smith, Chauncey Billups, and Nene to the Pacers. That Nugget group ranges from arrogant to vastly confident, I'm not sure the Meek and Mild of the Pacers is something he's used to. Just a thought.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Re: Quick thoughts about the loss to the Grizz.

                            Originally posted by Speed View Post
                            It's probably culture shock, coming from a team with the likes of Carmelo, Kenyon Martin, Birdman, JR Smith, Chauncey Billups, and Nene to the Pacers. That Nugget group ranges from arrogant to vastly confident, I'm not sure the Meek and Mild of the Pacers is something he's used to. Just a thought.
                            We're a lot meeker than we were last year.
                            This space for rent.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Re: Quick thoughts about the loss to the Grizz.

                              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                              I've said it in the past and I'll continue to say it, this is a bad mix of players for the Pacers.
                              I completely agree.
                              This space for rent.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X