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ESutt7
06-18-2009, 01:28 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/scott_howard-cooper/06/18/point.guards/index.html?eref=sihpT1

A sampling:

Derrick Rose (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4387) was Rookie of the Year. Chauncey Billups (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3174) was a hero in Denver. Jameer Nelson (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3837) and Mo Williams (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3750) were difference makers in the East. Aaron Brooks (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4304) almost changed history. Point guards also are expected to dominate the first 10 or 12 picks in the draft next week.
And then there's Derek Fisher (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3125). He of the season averages of 10 points and three assists. He of the 40 percent shooting in the playoffs.
And he of the four rings.
There's your reality check. At a time when point guards are generating so much attention, a convergence of circumstances from the 2008-09 season into the June 25 draft into free agency next month, the reminder note being distributed after the Lakers-Magic series is that it does not take a great talent at the point to win the title. Big men (Kevin Garnett (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3007), Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/250)), yes. Wing players who leave defenders with singed jerseys (Kobe Bryant (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3118), Dwyane Wade (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3708), Michael Jordan (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3464)), absolutely. But not point guards.

Trader Joe
06-18-2009, 01:58 PM
An interesting take. They make a fair point. Were the Isiah lead Pistons the last championship team with a PG as clearly their best player?

ChicagoJ
06-18-2009, 02:38 PM
An interesting take. They make a fair point. Were the Isiah lead Pistons the last championship team with a PG as clearly their best player?

This is a good, fundamental point that SI is making. However, I believe there have been at least 2 PGs that were NBA Finals MVPs recently - Billups and Parker. Neither of which would normally make a "give me list of the five best PGs in the NBA" selection.

Its more important to have "floor general" than a stat-stuffer at PG.

CableKC
06-18-2009, 02:49 PM
I think this article is short-sighted. I like how the Writer lists the best Players of the last decade then asks whether they needed a PG to lead their team.

If we had Lebron on our roster, I wouldn't mind if we didn't have a Floor General. What if the rest of the 2/3 teams in the League doesn't have a future HOF NBA Player on their roster.....don't those Teams need a more then competent PG?

Heck, I doubt that the Bulls would have gotten as far as they would have gotten with Hinrich leading their team as opposed to Rose.

Hitman02
06-18-2009, 02:54 PM
I find myself agreeing with this article. But, I think a great player is a great player no matter what position they play.

I'd counter this article by saying it takes at least TWO great players to win a title in today's NBA, not just someone other than a point guard. And its usually a guard and a big man.

croz24
06-18-2009, 02:56 PM
the pg position has always been overrated imo, especially recently, but pg is really the only position in this draft worth drafting. so are we supposed to pass on the best player available because he may turn out to be the next derek fisher? and instead draft the next sean may?

OakMoses
06-18-2009, 04:07 PM
the pg position has always been overrated imo, especially recently, but pg is really the only position in this draft worth drafting. so are we supposed to pass on the best player available because he may turn out to be the next derek fisher? and instead draft the next sean may?

My thoughts exactly. The fact that this year's finals teams did not have great PG's doesn't mean anything in relation to this draft.

Also, for whatever it's worth, Billups and Parker would be in my top 5 PG's.

LoneGranger33
06-18-2009, 08:30 PM
You don't need a great PG when your shooting guard or small forward can handle the ball and make plays, as was the case with Kobe and Lebron, but you do need someone pretty good to control the ball.

ESutt7
06-18-2009, 08:37 PM
Great PGs can be quite underrated/underappreciated though. They make their teammates so much better, by being a leader, being vocal, and getting them the ball in the right spots.

Look at what JKidd did in NJ after the Marbury trade. One team went up, one went down. Billups/Iverson. The PG doesn't need to blow you away statistically, but if we had someone who could penetrate to score, and draw the defense while being able to hit Rush or Granger in their favorite spot with accuracy, that is HUGE! Those two wouldn't have to work nearly as hard. A great PG can make a whole team "go."

It's even more prevalent in college, and a great example was UNC with/without Lawson. He made that team elite, he was their engine. And I'd have to agree that Parker and Billups are some awfully good PGs on that list. Fisher is very solid and smart. Rondo may have been young at the time, but just look at what that kid is doing now. So I'd say a PG is a pretty big key to success.